Downtown Advisory Committee
Regular MeetingCarbondale, IL · August 20, 2014
Minutes
MINUTES
Downtown Master Plan Advisory
Committee
Wednesday, August 20, 2014
Room 108, 6:30 p.m.
City Hall/Civic Center
Mr. Langowski called the meeting to order at 6:31 p.m.
Members Present: Bleyer, Boeckman, Bukowski, Carter, Cole, Colombo, Gorton, Gregory,
Langowski, Dr. Pink-Harper, Ramseyer, Dr. Reddy, Schachel, Sheffer,
Sigler, Terry
Members Absent:
Staff Present: Baity, Burtley, Price, Taylor, Wallace
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1) Approval of Minutes:
No minutes to approve.
Opening comments by J. Langowski
A. The area of study was defined by the boundaries of TIF District number one and two.
B. J. Langowski stressed the committee members are not consultants but the City will
employ consultants in December to create a finished plan.
C. Information and ideas are requested from all members of the Committee, the
community and from visitors to the community.
D. The schedule of upcoming meetings is posted on the Committee’s website. A way to
submit ideas and contact the committee members is also provided.
2) Report of Officers, Committees, Communications:
A. Nomination and Election of Vice Chair and Secretary:
J. Langowski described the role and duties of the Vice Chair.
J. Langowski nominated M. Cole and gave her qualifications to hold the position of
Vice Chair.
D. Gorton nominated E. Ramseyer and gave her qualifications to hold the position
of Vice Chair.
The floor was closed for nominations by J. Langowski and votes were cast by secret
ballot. 14 votes were cast for M. Cole and 3 votes were cast for E. Ramseyer.
M. Cole was elected Vice Chair.
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J. Langowski described the role and duties of the Secretary.
J. Langowski nominated M. Bukowski and gave her qualifications to hold the
Secretary position.
The floor closed for nominations by J. Langowski and votes were cast. She was
elected unanimously.
M. Bukowski was elected Secretary.
B. Committee Purpose and Member Comments:
J. Langowski asked the committee to approve the proposed purpose statement.
Committee members began a discussion over the purpose statement.
D Gorton felt the committee should add redefining and improving the downtown to
its purpose statement.
M. Cole The plan should be used and not be put on a shelf. The plan should be a
living document that can be changed and has a time line for projects to be
implemented.
J. Langowski The plan should set a time frame that is short in nature so the plan has
achievable goals.
Eric McMillen (audience member) stated the proposed statement is a mission
statement not a purpose statement. A purpose statement is why the committee exists
and the mission statement is what you wish to accomplish.
M. Stalls (audience member) stated the committee needed a black male
representative.
Trent Stevens 104 ½ E. Jackson St. (audience member) volunteered to serve as the
black male representative.
Karen Martin (audience member) The committee needs to define what the
committee is looking for and talking about.
Michael Frip (audience member) asked is there a budget established with a
projected cost to implement projects?
J. Langowski responded that the plan does not have a budget.
Danielle Salisco (audience member) feels the state of residences in Carbondale is
the number one complaint and slum lords are the issue, not the beautiful downtown.
The residences need to be improved before the economy can turn around.
J. Langowski changed the title of the proposed purpose statement to the proposed
mission statement.
Trent (Audience Member) Try and use more resources from the university.
A. Miller asked for clarification of D. Gorton’s comments as it relates to the culture
and soul of downtown.
D. Gorton responded that the committee should be seeking what it is the community
is seeking from its downtown master plan.
A. Miller states the committee should include language regarding ensuring the
downtown stays the economic engine for the community.
G. Sheffer stated he intended to listen to the people and keep an open mind and add
their comments to the mission statement. The mission statement has to be general in
nature to accommodate the public comments.
Bernard Hennaburger (Audience Member) stated the plan should develop the
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existing City culture and showcase it to the rest of the world.
E. Ramseyer asked that the committee include an open forum portion to the mission
statement.
J. Langowski summed up the comments and agreed the addition of a statement
regarding active listening and promoting the existing culture should be added.
The motion to approve the purpose statement was tabled by J. Langowski.
C. Committee Process and Member Comments:
J. Langowski stated areas of interest pertinent to the master plan were identified and
noted they were flexible and somewhat overlap each other.
1. Transportation – This section will focus on the different modes of
transportation in our community and how we can better integrate them into
our downtown. It will also discuss traffic patterns, parking and public safety.
2. Signage – This section will focus on the use of objects to assist creating a
downtown character that is unique.
3. Business Development – This section will focus on our variety of businesses
and ask the question “Do we have the right mix for our town?” The city has
250 different establishments. The plan should help identify impediments to
growth.
4. Downtown Integration – This section will look at the interface of downtown
area with the university and hospital and neighborhoods that surround the
downtown area. Improve ease of access to the downtown. Students, hospital
persons, and residents to be involved in the discussion
5. Arts and Entertainment – Carbondale has several bands and other
entertainment options such as the Carbondale Community Arts, and some
great venues are here. This section will help define how to support and grow
this segment of our downtown help develop a great marketing plan for the
community.
6. Economic Civic Viability – This section focuses on how to make the plan
doable and starting to implement the ideas contained above.
J. Langowski continued describing the process from which the committee will use to
develop the downtown master plan.
1. Members interested in a particular topic should join in on the planning of the
specific meeting that will be focused on that topic and help plan and direct
that meeting.
2. The committee will gather public input in an ongoing basis through the
meetings or website, provide written reports to City Council on a monthly
basis, and the members that lead each meeting will provide reports, in both a
short and long form about the issues and ideas brought up during the
meetings.
3. Those reports will be given to the consultants to allow them to incorporate all
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the public comments and desires into the Downtown Master Plan.
4. Identify and select a consultant in a timely manner.
5. Receive from the consultant, monthly community meetings and progress
reports from the consultants.
6. Review draft report and obtain public comment on the draft report.
7. Approve a final plan.
J. Langowski and D. Gorton had a discussion over requirements for subcommittees
and their meetings with regards to the open meetings act.
J. Langowski made a request for a motion to adopt the process as described above.
E.Ramseyer moved to adopt. J. Langowski adopted the process with the notion that
it can be changed in the future.
J. Langowski discussed and listed the following guiding principles.
A. Visit and coordinate the site requirements.
B. Make thoughtful and meaningful basis.
C. Start on time and respect agendas and schedules.
D. Coordinate with city staff as soon as possible.
E. Invite guest speakers that can shed light on the specific topic being
discussed
F. Take notes, provide meaningful comments and do your homework on the
topic.
G. Start your reports early and get them in as soon as possible.
H. Talk to other committee members who share the same area of interest and
listen to each other and to public comments and ideas.
I. Finish with the best product possible.
3) Old Business
None
4) New Business
Mr. Kevin Baity, City Manager, provided a presentation on what other similar
communities have done to revitalize their downtown areas. Mr. Baity gave examples of
current developments occurring in the City of Carbondale. Mr. Baity provided a
thorough presentation with examples from Paducah, Kentucky; Milwaukee, Wisconsin;
Kent, Ohio; Champaign, Illinois; Normal, Illinois; Collinsville, Illinois; Evansville,
Illinois; Effingham, Illinois; and Knoxville, Tennessee. Mr. Baity also discussed the
future Carbondale Bike Path and additional parking lots that are currently in the planning
stages right now.
Mr. Baity also focused on arts and entertainment in other towns. Shelbyville, Ohio
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provides public artwork. Evansville, Illinois provides public art sculpture. Centralia,
Illinois provided a large clue board to cover an issue with an existing building and
provide a public art piece. He showed a scene in Kent Ohio of a street festival in full
swing. Mr. Baity suggested creating two way streets from University Avenue and Illinois
Avenue. Illinois Avenue would become a business route and have the ability to be closed
to allow for street festivals and other public events. A discussion followed regarding how
this idea would work and what things would change. Mr. Baity shared the secrets to
success with the group and then completed his presentation.
J. Langowski wants to make sure the environment is not artificially created and is really
built to support the community. Mr. Langowski asked for public comments.
5) Public Comments
Stephanie Eicholz (Audience Member)– Wishes to bury the power lines in the
downtown area and feels this is the only way to achieve the goals stated by this
commission.
Karen Martin (Audience Member) – feels trees and outside café seating improve the
mood of a city and creates life on the city streets. She feels the town has lost its historic
cohesiveness and thinks it’s just ugly.
Simone Beck (Audience Member) – noted other communities eliminating parking to
create successful downtowns.
Larry Weatherford (Audience Member) – Keep the downtown parking and wishes the
city would consult the local sign companies when addressing signage in the downtown
area.
Currin Bishop (Audience Member)– two way traffic would slow traffic and allow for
the elimination of some traffic lights.
Jesus Ponce De León (Audience Member) – Wishes for a different downtown and not a
downtown that every other town has developed in the last 20 years. He wishes the city to
use the “open innovation” process where the community reaches out to ask for new ideas
and concepts via the web and other resources. He asks for the committee to be open to
alternative concepts and ideas. He hopes real ideas and change will come as a result of
this plan.
Stacy Swoboda (Audience Member) – The downtown area needs new recreation areas
in the downtown area.
Treesong (Audience Member)– Consider our values, social justice and environmental
sustainability. Consider integral cities and support a creative economy. Encourage
walkable downtowns.
Trent Stephens (Audience Member)- He suggested adding foot patrol officers to the
downtown, specifically at the fountain in town square. He suggested moving the parking
lot in front of ABC liquors to surrounding vacant lots and convert it into a park area to
support community events. He also suggests adding a bike hostel to the downtown as we
are on the trans America bike trail. He also suggested investing in tents and materials to
host a professional street fair.
Erin Palmer (Audience Member)- She feels the community should promote walking
and riding bikes. Street parking should be restricted to promote biking on the street. The
new 710 building is too big and out of proportion and the city should set size laws to limit
the size of buildings. Be careful not to just accept anything and ensure new development
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is good for the community.
Cody Roach (Audience Member)- Include edible greens in the street green space.
J. D. Higler (Audience Member)- Graphic designers should be brought in to create a
city brand that is controlled by the city. The brand story (our history and where we want
to go as a city) will tell the city why to do things and guide us to find our future.
Jeremy Clow (Audience Member)- Feels there is no substantial historical façade south
of 13 and the committee should keep an open mind to changing things. Mr. Clough also
stated he is very much in favor of a bike path in the community.
Shelly Hill (Audience Member)- In favor of increasing the presence of the bike paths in
the community. Strongly encourages supporting young business owners in our
community.
J. Langowski asked for comments from the committee.
J. Sigler – Felt the committee did too much talking in this meeting and not enough
listening. He agrees to removing the parking from downtown. The young professionals
graduating from SIUC should be encouraged to stay and build our community. He is the
demographic that the community needs to keep and it is his goal to be convinced into
staying in Carbondale. If he can be convinced then the plan should be a success. The
community needs to create resources to complete projects rather than only working with
what we have.
G. Sheffer – Challenge committee to see both sides of ideas and find a way to
compromise and keep an open mind. He also strongly suggests keeping parking in the
downtown area.
J. Langowski – Noted it is only 16 and a half minutes to walk from Longbranch to
Harbaughs. Noted its 30 to 45 minutes of walking to get to where you want to go in a
larger city and you don’t think about it.
A. Miller – Community must improve the economy to keep the university growing. He
challenged the committee to come to these meetings with a community agenda not a
personal one. We must keep graduating students and make them want to start a family
here. Building more parking is also critical to the town.
D. Terry – Asked does the university support the town? Community has to provide
parking for the downtown area or businesses will not succeed. Keep personal agendas
out of the plan.
6. Adjournment
J. Langowski thanked the public and committee for coming and announced the next
meeting will be September 3rd at 6:30 p.m. at the offices of Carbondale Main Street.
J. Langowski asked for a motion to adjourn.
A. Miller made the motion to adjourn and G. Sheffer seconded.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:52 pm.
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Agenda
Carbondale Downtown Master Plan Advisory Committee
Agenda for Meeting of August 20, 2014 Commencing at 6:30 p.m.
Carbondale Civic Center
1. Bring to order
2. Introductory remarks
3. Approval of minutes
4. Nomination and election of Vice Chair and Secretary
5. Committee purpose and comments from the members
6. Committee process and comments from the members
7. Committee vision and comments from the members
8. Presentation by the City Manager on downtown revitalization efforts in
other college towns
9. Comments from the members
10. Comments from the public
11. Announcement of next meeting, date, time and location
12. Adjournment