Human Relations Commission
Regular MeetingDeKalb, IL · March 1, 2016
Minutes
MINUTES
CITY OF DEKALB
HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION
March 1, 2016
The Human Relations Commission held a Meeting on March 1, 2016 in City Hall Council
Chambers.
Chair Larry Apperson calling meeting to order called the meeting to order at 6:35 p.m.
A. ROLL CALL
The following members of the HRC were present: Larry Apperson (Chair), Joe Gastiger, Norden
Gilbert, Lisa King, Ellingsworth Webb, Robert Williams and Cameron Zelaya.
The following City staff members were present: City Manager Anne Marie Gaura, Chief Gene
Lowery and Management Analyst Lauren Stott.
Notes were taken by Analyst Stott.
B. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA – ADDITIONS / DELETIONS
The agenda was approved with no additions or deletions.
C. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioners identified two errors within the minutes document and approved the minutes with
the corrections.
D. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
No public comments were made.
E. OLD BUSINESS
1. Discussion on Public Assemblies.
Commissioner Webb indicated that the group should discuss the proposed mass gathering
ordinances in the context of the public comments made at recent Human Relations
Commission meetings.
Commissioner Gilbert indicated that he thought the City Attorney could review the
municipal code to address other concerns: public drunkenness, guns and traffic control. He
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indicated that toughening those provisions may ensure a higher level of safety in the
community.
Commissioner Gastiger said he does believe the ordinances were drafted to protect people
in the community, but the heart of the problem lies with gun control.
Commissioner King said the fact that the ordinance was raised and that it moved so quickly
through the legislative process is concerning. She said she hopes DeKalb can emulate
communities such as Chicago’s Hyde Park, Oak Park and Evanston.
Commissioner Zelaya said he doesn’t believe the ordinance should be considered by the
City Council. He also said he believes some parts of the ordinance are relevant and should
be considered administratively.
Commissioner Webb said he believes the key for the community to move forward,
including the City, is cultural competency training and other positive reinforcements.
Commissioner Gilbert said he also believes the “safe way out” provision in the proposed
ordinances is of value, but other elements do not provide the same value.
Commissioner Webb said he would like to make a motion to recommend to the City
Council that the proposed mass gathering ordinances are not adopted. He also said he
would like the recommendation to include a statement the Police Chief and the Police
Department provide positive leadership in the community.
Chair Apperson said he does believe elements of the ordinance would provide value and
that the Police Chief may be the appropriate staff person to lead the efforts. Chair Apperson
indicated that the Commission should perhaps make a motion to recommend a withdrawal
of all versions of the ordinances from consideration by the City Council, and that staff
should conduct a review of current City Code to attempt to identify any other items that
need to be addressed.
Commissioner Webb said he wants the recommendation to include enhanced
communication with student stakeholders on previous issues and considerations.
Commissioner Gilbert said he would like the recommendation to include a clause regarding
the Commission’s support of City staff on its good intentions in bringing the recommended
ordinances to the public bodies.
Commissioner King said she also believes cultural competency training is important to
understand issues of the constituents, for all Police Officers and Aldermen. She indicated
that the ordinance consideration process revealed some shortcomings of the legislative
process.
Chair Apperson said he would like to invite the Police Chief to provide his comments.
Chief Lowery said he was most concerned about the comments from Commissioner King,
who indicated that she does not trust the intentions of the staff members who created the
draft ordinances. He said that every university town in the state has an ordinance similar to
the ones proposed to City Council, although DeKalb’s were more detailed. Chief Lowery
said he feels accountable for the perception that DeKalb did not reach out to enough
stakeholders. Chief Lowery said he hears the comments from people saying that it is
important for the students to have a voice in the legislative process, but he also believes
that it is important for non-students in the community to be represented. Chief Lowery said
that staff never intended for the proposed ordinances to infringe on First Amendment
rights. He contested claims by many who said the proposed ordinances were “rushed
through,” and indicated that they were brought to the City Council in the typical way, with
a first reading and a second reading at a following meeting. Chief Lowery said he agrees
with the comment from Commissioner Gastiger indicating that gun control is presenting
many problems in the community. Chief Lowery said he wishes he hadn’t wasted the
community capital used during the process of considering the ordinances, but that he is
pleased that the community engaged in a process of review. He said he intends to attend
the next City Council meeting and request the City Council to withdraw its consideration
of the previously proposed ordinances. He said he intends of reviewing the topic again at
a later time, and that the City will work to gather input from various community groups
and stakeholders. He thanked the HRC for their service.
Chair Apperson said he appreciates the Chief’s dedication to the community and his work
to enhance safety in the community.
Commissioner King said she doesn’t believe a person has to be a Police Officer or Police
Chief to understand the difficulties of what excellence public safety service looks like.
Commissioner King said she appreciates that the Chief attended the HRC meetings to
understand the opinions of the community.
Chief Lowery said the Police Department is working to identify methods for cultural
competency training. He said he believes the dialogue regarding public assemblies has been
healthy. He said there is sometimes too much focus at the bottom of the process, and that
other, wider elements such as background and family, are not addressed.
Chief Lowery was asked by a member of the audience whether he has considered yet his
method for communicating his decision to withdraw the request for consideration of the
ordinance to the City Council. He said he would say that will keep it as simple as possible
and would use some of the basic framework he has used during the present meeting.
Audience Member Kay Shelton said she believes the proposed ordinances should have
been presented at a City Council Committee of the Whole meeting.
Audience Member Michael Haji-Sheikh said he would have known at first glance that the
proposed ordinances would be controversial. He said staff and the HRC should present
related concepts in the future to the University Council.
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Chair Apperson said he wanted to share a draft recommendation with the HRC for review
and comment. Chair Apperson read the draft recommendation (included as an attachment
to this Minutes document) and Commissioner Webb asked for a motion and a second.
The Commission discussed the wording of Chair Apperson’s draft recommendation.
Commissioner King asked when the discussion on cultural competency would occur, and
Chair Apperson said that the discussion would occur during the item called “Update on
Training Proposal” on the meeting agenda.
Commissioner King asked whether the HRC recommendation should include a note that
the Police Chief is withdrawing his recommendation for the proposed ordinances. The
Commissioners discussed the question and determined it would not include that
information.
Commissioner Webb asked for the Commissioners to indicate their support or choice to
not support the draft recommendation from Chair Apperson. The motion passed 7-0.
Commissioner Gastiger indicated that he had a recommendation for a revision to one line
on the draft. He wished to add: “If, after these ordinances and the ability to amend them
have been reviewed, the City staff still believe a new ordinance regarding mass gatherings
is needed, community stakeholders should be consulted.”
Commissioner Webb indicated the Commission’s re-visitation of the motion, and the
motion passed 7-0.
Update on Training Proposal
Chair Apperson indicated that the Commission had previously discussed a subcommittee
to contemplate cultural competency training, but did not move forward with that concept
because of Open Meeting Act concerns, and therefore the discussion is being picked up at
this time.
Chair Apperson said due to perceived funding issues, he reached out to the DeKalb County
Community Foundation for guidance on potential grants for cultural competency training.
He said he reviewed a DCCF grant application and determined that he did not feel
comfortable indicating that the training could not be fulfilled without approval of the grant.
Chair Apperson indicated that through discussions with City staff, he understands that a
high level of commitment can be expected for the training.
City Manager Anne Marie Gaura said she believes that the City may not qualify for the
grant because it cannot prove that dollars are not available for the training, but that the City
is open to other funding opportunities and partnerships for the cultural competency
training. She also said that the upcoming change in fiscal year should assist with budgeting
for the training. She said it will be important to consider turnover and develop an ongoing
training plan instead of a one-time session.
Commissioner Gastiger said he would like to understand the level of priority assigned to
the training item, and that he hopes the training is conducted in a way that promotes
conversation and buy-in. The Commission discussed the concept of department-by-
department training versus a group setting that includes people from various City
departments.
Commissioner Williams said he is concerned with the length of time it will take for trainees
to experience a shift in their consciousness. He said he would like to see another training
model proposal. He said he is unsure of the aim of the training. He said he would like a
continued assessment of the training program.
Commissioner Gastiger said he believes institutions often have a default setting, and it is
challenging to change that atmosphere.
Chair Apperson indicated that there is no guarantee that all goals will be achieved in a
training, but he doesn’t believe that is a sufficient reason to not attempt the training.
NIU Chief Diversity Officer Vernese Edghill-Walden indicated that, at a prior HRC
meeting, the HRC had indicated that it didn’t want the impression that the training was
occurring only from a compliance standpoint. She said consistency is a concern the
Commission should consider.
The Commissioners discussed training funding.
Liaison Stott said staff cannot responsibly consider the training during the budget process
until a proposal is made from the HRC.
Commissioner Gastiger said he would like at least a general indication of the amount of
money allocated for the training.
Commissioner King asked the City Manager if she can indicate where on a priority list the
cultural competency training would lie.
City Manager Gaura explained the budget process, and said that the training is a high staff
priority but that it is not possible to list it definitively on a list at this point in the budget
process.
Chair Apperson said he wanted to remind the Commission that the point of this discussion
is to readdress questions and consider more elements of the training recommendation, not
to necessarily make a decision on a proposal tonight.
Update on Community Dialogue Group
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Chair Apperson asked Commissioner Zelaya to provide an update on the Diversity
Dialogue planning.
Commissioner Zelaya indicated that the first dialogue will cover the topic of First
Amendment rights. Commissioner Zelaya provided the details of the March dialogue
meeting.
Dr. Edghill-Walden provided details on the presenters booked for the March dialogue.
Commissioner Zelaya indicated that NIU has requested for the HRC to assist in
disseminating information about the event. He said that the NIU representatives hope for a
continuance of the dialogue hosted by the HRC between March 23 and April 20.
Chair Apperson asked for a vote for the Commission to co-sponsor the follow-up dialogue
event. The motion passed 7-0.
Commissioner King asked that, before the meeting adjourned, the Commission recognizes
the recent controversy occurring at DeKalb High School.
Commissioner Zelaya said Dr. Edghill-Walden indicated that partnering with the High
School following the incident is a plan NIU has had.
Dr. Edghill-Walden said NIU is currently having a dialogue with Dr. Moeller of DeKalb
High School and she will follow up on this item with him.
Commissioner Webb said he thinks he might feel uncomfortable with the word “training.”
Chair Apperson said the Commissioner can consider the use of the word “training” in
future discussions.
F. NEW BUSINESS
No new business was addressed.
G. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 8:49 p.m.
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LAUREN STOTT, Management Analyst
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on May 3, 2016.
Notes for HRC Meeting 2/1/16
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Agenda
DeKalb Municipal Building
200 South Fourth Street
DeKalb, IL 60115
AGENDA
Human Relations Commission
Council Chambers
March 1, 2016
6:30 p.m.
A. Roll Call
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions / Deletions
C. Approval of Minutes
1. February 18, 2016 (special meeting)
D. Public Participation
E. Old Business
1. Discussion on Public Assemblies
2. Update on Training Proposal
3. Update on Community Dialogue Groups
F. New Business
G. Adjournment
MINUTES
CITY OF DEKALB
HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING
February 18, 2016
The Human Relations Commission held a special meeting on February 18, 2016 in City Hall
Council Chambers.
Chair Larry Apperson calling meeting to order called the meeting to order at 6:41 p.m.
A. ROLL CALL
The following members of the HRC were present: Larry Apperson (Chair), Joe Gastiger, Norden
Gilbert, Lisa King, Ellingsworth Webb, and Cameron Zelaya.
Commissioner Robert Williams was absent.
The following City staff members were present: City Manager Anne Marie Gaura, Chief Gene
Lowery, City Attorney Dean Frieders and Management Analyst Lauren Stott.
Notes were taken by Analyst Stott.
B. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA – ADDITIONS / DELETIONS
The agenda was approved with no additions or deletions.
C. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Gilbert indicated two minor changes should be made to the minutes document.
These changes included the update of NIU student recorded as “Michael Page” to “Nicole Page,”
the correct identifier.
The February 2, 2016 minutes were approved.
Commissioner King indicated that she did not see the minutes document requiring the correction
to “Nicole Page.” Chair Apperson and Analyst Stott indicated that the reason her document was
different is because she was reading from the original minutes document presented via email
immediately following the February 2 meeting for review to the Commission, but not the document
that was updated for inclusion in the agenda for this meeting.
D. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
The public participation period focused on the agenda item titled “Discussion on Public
Assemblies:”
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Kay Shelton said she believes the updated materials, including ordinance updates, are more aligned
with the community needs than the previous version. She indicated that the “community groups
contacted” section should be included in the newest version.
Shelton also indicated that several other items should be considered for change, including the
mention of openly displayed pepper spray which might be open to interpretation.
Bessie Chronopoulos indicated she is pleased with the materials included in the backup material
for this meeting.
E. OLD BUSINESS
Commissioner Gastiger indicated that while he believes the updated version of the ordinance is
better than the original, he still hopes more changes will be made to ensure misinterpretations do
not occur.
Gastiger said he hopes the ordinance does not require protesters to yield to the City at all costs.
Commissioner Webb said he believes all human rights should be considered alongside this
ordinance, should it be adopted by the City.
Commissioner King said she believes the ordinance is meant to instill fear instead of promote
crowd control. She said she is not comfortable with a recommendation to adopt the ordinance. She
indicated that most people protesting are not problematic, and that people who protest have a right
to demand dignity in their communities.
Commissioner Gilbert said he doesn’t fully understand why the existing ordinances and state laws
are not adequately eradicating issues surrounding public assemblies.
Commissioner Gilbert said that he hopes the Police in DeKalb will follow the example of the
Police in Chicago, who allow protesters to peacefully assemble while still perhaps blocking traffic.
Audience member Bill Moore said he does not believe the updated document adequately informs
the public about how to adequately compile a peaceable assembly. He said he believes a group of
Officers, rather than a single Officer, should make decisions on whether a group should be
dissembled based on the requirements of the proposed ordinance.
Audience member and retired director of student legal assistance at NIU Don Henderson said he
believes the ordinance fails to indicate how it intends to protect the public from safety hazards that
may arise out of unlawful assemblies. He said he isn’t sure whether an ordinance is necessary
because it is impossible to identify all possible situations and outcomes surrounding issues of
public assemblies.
Audience Member Rich Rice said he agrees with Henderson and doesn’t believe the proposed
ordinance will have the intended effects in practice.
Chair Apperson said he isn’t sure that the ordinance does an effective job of indicating how the
Police are ensuring peace and peaceful assemblies. He said he understands why NIU students
might be uncomfortable with the ordinances and said he believes a large public relations campaign
is necessary to ensure everyone understands the intent of the proposal. He said it is important for
the City to clearly indicate the primary reasons for implementing the ordinance.
Commissioner Gastiger said he doesn’t believe the City has the authority to further clarify
constitutional rights of its residents.
Commissioner Webb said it is important that cultural competency training accompanies any
ordinances that affect public assemblies so Police and others understand ways different cultures
gather.
Attorney Frieders responded and said that it is one of very few ordinances indicating that Police
must provide warning and notice and an opportunity for people to leave prior to issuing a citation.
He also clarified the reasoning for using the word “may” throughout the proposed ordinance rather
than “should.”
Jane Ann Moore said she believes the ordinance should indicate violators may be assessed a lesser
punishment, or a warning, at the discretion of the authorities.
Attorney Frieders indicated that staff wanted to ensure that the ordinance draft was appropriate,
and that comments gleaned from the regular February 2, 2016 Human Relations Commission
meeting were included if they improve the recommendation.
NIU law student Elizabeth Heckenast indicated that a specific incident occurred in the vicinity of
her residence and she said she appreciates Police who assisted with the dispersal of a crowd, and
that the ordinance will be effective in assisting authorities in dispersing non-peaceful crowds. She
said that she is concerned with the method of communicating the implications of the proposed
ordinance to the NIU student body, and that she recommends including the ordinance (if adopted)
in the NIU student handbook.
Henderson said that Police are often confronted with a chaotic situation and while although it
doesn’t constitute a purposeful assembly, Police are trying to gain control. Henderson said he isn’t
sure the proposed ordinance will assist Police in gaining control of volatile situations.
Audience member Bessie Chronopoulos said she thinks elements of safety and education may take
place instead of adoption of the proposed ordinance.
Chief Lowery said that some of the comments indicate that many people do not understand exactly
what issues the Police face. He said that the annual report will indicate that DeKalb’s service call
volume is higher than those in compared communities such as Joliet, Elgin or Aurora. Lowery said
that although many people are concerned with the potential for negative interactions with Police,
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the Police Department in DeKalb has a very low level of Police complaints, use of excessive force
and other indicators of Police intolerance. Lowery said he fears a large, innocuous gathering that
becomes dangerous and that is the reason the draft ordinance was created. He said he hopes the
community understands that the ordinance is to limit dangerous groups, rather than limit the
community’s first amendment rights.
Commissioner King said that she appreciates the Chief’s comments, but that she works with
students who do not speak up about issues with Police and she wants to represent the concerns of
students and others regarding community Police.
Chief Lowery said laws should not be created based on race, but on behavior. He said he now
believes that much political and community capital was used on this item, but that he hopes
community members and the Human Relations Commission understand the origins of the
ordinance.
Audience member Steve Kapitan said he appreciates that this experience may enhance community
relations. He also said he would like to hear how the proposed ordinance might have assisted in
previous occurrences.
Chief Lowery indicated the levels of law enforcement process (City ordinance violation,
misdemeanor arrest, felony arrest). He said the proposed ordinance would provide Police with the
discretion needed to address issues as they arise. Lowery also indicated the level of cooperation
between the City and University Police departments.
Commissioner Zelaya asked Chief Lowery whether Police officers have trouble prompting
dispersal crowds presently.
Chief Lowery said there is not usually as much cooperation as is desired when Police Officers are
called to the scene of a large group. Lowery said the hope of staff in crafting the proposed
ordinance is to avoid physical harm or death to students or other community members.
Attorney Frieders said there is one City ordinance to which he can readily refer that would
effectively allow dispersal of crowds.
Resident Kay Shelton said that she wonders whether a synonym exists to “assembly” that might
better indicate the nature of gathering to which the proposed ordinance would apply. She said she
believes there is a lack of conflict resolution in the community and in general.
Commissioner Webb said he believes “mass gatherings” is more applicable in this instance.
Don Henderson said he believes the consideration of words used is important, whether it is the
word “crowd” or another word. He provided background on disorderly conduct. He said the
adoption of an ordinance may not address the complex issues surrounding the relationship with
Police and the public.
Bessie Chronopoulos said she believes that perhaps the condition of University-sanctioned, large
events may need to be addressed.
Steve Kapitan said he would like to address the redress of grievances issue.
Attorney Frieders indicated that the threshold element of the proposed ordinance is among the
most challenging elements of safety to capture and for Police to identify.
Chief Lowery said he recognizes that all people have the right to assemble, but they must do so in
a lawful manner.
Chair Apperson said he believes the new version of the proposed ordinance is accommodating to
the question of Kapitan.
Chair Apperson indicated that he would allow final comments from the audience and the
Commissioners.
Kay Shelton said the HRC should work to approve a document that the group can tolerate in the
event it is brought to the City Council.
Commissioner Gastiger said he is concerned about the way an ordinance might be interpreted once
current staff leaves the City.
Commissioner Webb said the perception is that Police Officers are exceptionally powerful and
will do anything they wish.
Chief Lowery said it is important for the Police to have tools such as the proposed ordinance to
allow them to eradicate dangerous situations.
Commissioner Webb said he believes the proposal should be included under the “mass gatherings”
section of the City Code, designated as “mass gatherings that become unlawful,” as recommended
by Chief Lowery.
Commissioner King said that she is not comfortable with putting something large like the
considered assembly discussion into a small window of contemplation by the City.
Attorney Frieders indicated that disorderly conduct cannot be reported by a Police Officer in
Illinois.
Chair Larry Apperson indicated that at the present time, the Human Relations Commission would
take time to address the comments made at tonight’s meeting at its next meeting on Tuesday,
March 1.
F. NEW BUSINESS
No new business was addressed.
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G. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:18 p.m.
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LAUREN STOTT, Management Analyst
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on date of approval.
Minutes should be posted on the website no less than 48 hours after they’ve been approved.