Human Relations Commission
Regular MeetingDeKalb, IL · December 6, 2022
Minutes
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
December 6, 2022
The Human Relations Commission (HRC) held a regular meeting on December 6, 2022, in the Second Floor
Training Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:08 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Nadine
Franklin, Joe Gastiger (Chair), Norden Gilbert, Lisa King, Andre Powell and JJ Wett.
Other City officials/staff present:
• Cohen Barnes, Mayor
• Bill Nicklas, City Manager
• Scott Zak, Management Analyst and Staff Liaison to the HRC
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Mr. Gilbert motioned to amend the agenda to add item E-1, Role of the HRC, seconded by Ms. King. The
motion was approved by unanimous voice vote.
Mr. Wett motioned to approve the amended agenda, seconded by Mr. Gilbert. The motion was approved by
unanimous voice vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – October 4, 2022 Regular Meeting
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the minutes. Mr. Wett motioned to approve the minutes,
seconded by Mr. Gilbert. The minutes were approved by unanimous voice vote.
D. Public Participation
No public comments were received at this point.
E. Old Business
1. Role of the HRC
Mr. Gilbert said the recent revisions to the Crime-Free Housing program seemed like something that would be
in the Commission’s purview but the Commission was not given the option to give input. City Manager Nicklas
said the Commission spent a lot of time working on the model lease for tenants and that was not changed
significantly. He explained the recent revisions focused on landlord responsibilities and consequences.
Chair Gastiger asked when the Suburban Apartment complex would be annexed into the City. Mr. Nicklas said
the agreement for the purchase of the property, which would have prompted the annexation, fell through. He
explained the property remains in DeKalb County’s jurisdiction and the City will continue to cooperate with
the County on policing.
F. New Business
1. Discussion of Student Safety and the Role of School Resource Officers in the DeKalb Community
Unit School District #428, with Dr. Minerva Garcia-Sanchez, Superintendent; and Security Staff:
Tammy Carson, Jose Jaques, and Steve Lekkas (DeKalb Police Department)
Following introductions, the School District began a presentation. Ms. Garcia-Sanchez explained last year
physical issues were addressed to ensure security and safety while the summer was spent on organizational
issues to prepare for the school year. Tammy Carson, Director of Facilities and Safety Operations, said an
outside firm was brought in to conduct a security audit, and the recommendations included additional School
Resource Officers (SROs). An additional SRO was assigned to the middle schools with another added to the
high school for a total of five districtwide. Other steps that have been taken have included hiring the first
security manager since 2009, an institute day to train staff on safety procedures and a tip line to discuss issues
anonymously. Ms. Carson added that physical improvements have included improved locking mechanisms,
swipe card access and additional communication radios.
Ms. Garcia-Sanchez said technology can help address safety and security issues that extend into the home.
Ben Bayle, Chief Technology Officer, said the District is alerted if a student is writing about hurting themselves
on District computers. In response to a question from Ms. King, it was clarified this technology extends off
campus if the student is using a District-owned device or logged into the District’s network. Ms. Garcia-
Sanchez added they are able to check on the safety of students day or night because of the support of the
SROs.
Jose Jaques, District Security Manager, said security improvements that have been made include requiring IDs
to be displayed and backpacks to be kept in lockers, restrictions on cellphone use and training staff on de-
escalation. Ms. Garcia-Sanchez said they are looking to add more security assistants. She said their role is to
move students to class and be available if students need immediate assistance. In response to a question from
Chair Gastiger, Mr. Jaques said diversity is considered for security assistants, noting it helps with relationship
building with students.
Referring to the increase to five total SROs, Police Department Commander Steve Lekkas said covering the
number of calls with three officers was overwhelming. He said while it is too early to have statistics, teachers
have shared that the school environment has improved and with additional SROs, there is no longer a need to
bring in patrol officers. SROs need three years of experience and undergo SRO training. Mr. Lekkas said few
interactions with SROs lead to charges and students receive social services and community service instead of
fines; however, he said there are times with more serious crimes when SROs need to act as police officers. He
said SROs can assist with abuse investigations, victim sensitive interviews and missing juveniles and they
participate in community events to build relations in a way a patrol officer responding to a school cannot.
Chief Byrd said the goal of the SROs is to build trust and change the perception of police if students have a
negative view of officers. He said all five SROs have the right heart to be life coaches for students and the
program is the right thing for the City and School District.
Asked by Ms. King if students assess the program, Ms. Garcia-Sanchez said students complete surveys and
teachers and staff are already detecting a positive change.
Chair Gastiger said his concern was SRO programs have not gone well in other communities. Mr. Nicklas said
this is not other communities, and while some may bring generalized ideas from past experiences, DeKalb’s
program is working to bring down barriers and is transparent. Ms. King said she does not believe there is a
school-to-prison pipeline in DeKalb. Mayor Barnes said while often times national concerns are applied to the
local level, the City is its own community and hopes people walk away impressed by DeKalb’s program. Ms.
Garcia-Sanchez said the program’s goal is not to get students in trouble but to support them.
Chair Gastiger asked if there is anything the community can do to support the schools. Mr. Nicklas said there
are social service agencies that offer support, and Chief Byrd said the community needs to offer assistance to
families.
Resident Mark Charvat asked if tickets have been issued by SROs. Chief Byrd said while it would be
disingenuous to say tickets never happen, that is not the goal of the SROs and they try to avoid the use of fines
through community service. Commander Lekkas added the Early Risk Assessment Project (ERAP) is a social
service-based program operated through the Probation Department to divert students from the court system.
Resident Lynn Fazekas said she had no doubt ticketing has gone on because of a ProPublica/Tribune report
and FOIA requests and that she heard things are changing because of state pressure.
Mayor Barnes said there was not pressure from the state and that the City and School District came together
so students feel safe. Mr. Wett commended the program for using ERAP. Mr. Powell said the program made
sense. Chair Gastiger said he was grateful for the work being done by the City and School District.
G. Adjournment
Mr. Wett motioned to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Mr. Gilbert. The motion was approved by unanimous
voice vote. The meeting was declared adjourned at 7:43 p.m.
Scott Zak, Management Analyst & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on April 4, 2023.
Agenda
AGENDA
Human Relations Commission Meeting
December 6, 2022
6:00 PM
Note Amended Time
DeKalb Police Department
700 W Lincoln Hwy
2nd Floor Training Room
DeKalb, Illinois 60115
A. Roll Call
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
C. Approval of Minutes – October 4, 2022
D. Public Participation
E. Old Business
F. New Business
1. Discussion of Student Safety and the Role of School Resource Officers in the DeKalb Community
Unit School District #428, with Dr. Minerva Garcia-Sanchez, Superintendent; and Security Staff:
Tammy Carson, Jose Jaques, and Steve Lekkas (DeKalb Police Department)
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
October 4, 2022
The Human Relations Commission (HRC) held a regular meeting on October 4, 2022, in the Second Floor
Training Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:06 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Joe Gastiger
(Chair), Norden Gilbert, Lisa King and JJ Wett. Nadine Franklin joined the meeting at 6:08 p.m.
Other City officials/staff present:
• Scott Zak, Management Analyst and Staff Liaison to the HRC
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the agenda. It was motioned by Mr. Gilbert and seconded by Mr.
Wett. Chair Gastiger proposed adding a second item under Old Business to give an update on HRC members
attending City Council ward meetings. Mr. Wett said he would like to discuss a rise in homelessness in DeKalb
and Transdev fees and vouchers, which were proposed as new items under “Future Considerations for the
HRC.” Chair Gastiger proposed announcements as a second item under new business. Mr. Wett motioned to
approve the amended agenda, seconded Mr. by Gilbert. The amended agenda was approved by unanimous
voice vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – August 2, 2022 Regular Meeting
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the minutes. Mr. Gilbert motioned to approve the minutes,
seconded by Ms. King. The minutes were approved by unanimous voice vote.
D. Public Participation
Chair Gastiger gave resident Lynn Fazekas permission to make her comments later in the meeting under item
F-1.
Resident Mark Charvat said the agenda for the HRC meeting on the City’s website changed at noon and he was
concerned about an Open Meetings Act violation. Mr. Charvat said he did not have contact information for
Ms. King and asked how he could contact her regarding HRC issues. Ms. King said she would think about it. Mr.
Charvat said he was concerned the policy for the License Plate Readers (LPRs) was not published on the City’s
website until September after the LPRs were being used. He said he would reserve the rest of his comments
for item F-1.
Ms. King asked how Mr. Charvat, as a member of the public, knew about the LPR policy. Mr. Charvat said the
policy went before the HRC in draft form but the final policy was not published until Sept. 20. Ms. King asked
how he knew the policy wasn’t published until then. Mr. Charvat said he checked weekly and it was posted
after he sent several e-mails.
Mr. Zak said that the final version is now published. There were questions regarding the policy going to the
City Council. Mr. Zak noted the HRC and the public were given opportunities to provide input and that
department operational policies do not go to the City Council for approval.
Ms. Fazekas said there is the option for operational policies to go before the Council. She said this one should
have since it is a liability. She said LPRs are a potential weapon of mass surveillance that could result in
lawsuits.
Chair Gastiger said the issue is beyond the Commission’s purview since there is no action that can be taken
now that the policy has been published.
Ms. King asked Ms. Fazekas if she brought her concerns to City officials. Ms. Fazekas said she had not and only
made her comments since the topic was raised during public comments. Mr. Charvat said he felt it was
appropriate to discuss the LPRs with the HRC since the Commission had delt with the policy.
Mr. Zak noted the LPRs were not purchased without the City Council’s knowledge and there were multiple
opportunities for public input on the policy. Regarding the agenda on the website, Mr. Zak said the date of the
meeting on the website was correct but the agenda for August was mistakenly posted. He said that was
corrected when brought to his attention by Ms. Fazekas and the City Attorney advised the HRC could proceed
with their meeting since the agenda postings at City Hall and the Police Department were correct.
E. Old Business
1. Progress Report on the Redevelopment in the AGN Neighborhood
Regarding the annexation of Suburban Estates and Apartments into the City, Chair Gastiger asked if there has
been effort to educate the residents about the services that will be available to them. Mr. Zak said he would
check with the Community Services Coordinator but expects that the annexation is on the radar of the local
nonprofit agencies.
Ms. King noted there have been water quality problems in Flint, Michigan and Jackson, Mississippi and asked
about water quality in DeKalb. Mr. Zak said the City has a Water Division that must take water samples and
meet federal and state standards for water quality and an annual report is published to the City’s website. Mr.
Gilbert noted a water quality report was formerly sent by mail.
2. Response from City Council Members about Attending Ward Meetings
Chair Gastiger shared he had contacted City Council members to ask if Commission members could join future
ward meetings to introduce the HRC to those attending and explain their work and said he had heard back
from some.
Chair Gastiger shared options for increasing the visibility of the HRC. He said the Commission could hold its
regular meetings in various locations and see if people show up. He feels a more effective option would be to
hold listening sessions on the Commission’s off months at locations such as nursing homes, schools and
Parent-Teacher Organization meetings. Mr. Wett said non-profits should be added to the list of possible
locations. Mr. Zak reminded that Commissioner attendance would have to be limited to less than a majority of
a quorum, otherwise the Open Meetings Act requirements would need to be followed. Ms. King said she is
concerned about hearing the voices of those not connected to government. Chair Gastiger said this would be a
good start. Mr. Gilbert said he doubted people would come out to a meeting just to talk with the HRC. Chair
Gastiger said that’s why the Commission would ask to be invited to existing meetings. Chair Gastiger asked for
a motion on the listening sessions. Mr. Zak advised that since the item was added to the agenda at the start of
the meeting and not published beforehand, the Commission should not take formal action.
Returning to ward meetings, Mr. Gilbert asked how they were publicized. Mr. Zak said a news release is sent
out and the meeting is posted to the City’s website and social media. Mr. Gilbert said those methods do not
reach him and believes that is the same for most residents. Ms. King said post cards could be sent. Mr. Zak
reminded there are postage costs. Mr. Wett suggested sending a message with water bills, but Mr. Gilbert
noted that would miss renters. Ms. King requested that City Manager Bill Nicklas be asked if mailers could be
sent out regarding ward meetings.
F. New Business
1. Future Considerations for the HRC
Mr. Gilbert asked for clarification on the topic to be discussed, noting moving meetings to every other month
was discussed last time. Chair Gastiger said the item is a discussion of topics the Commission may take up. Mr.
Zak clarified that the Commission’s recommendation to meet every other month was approved by the City
Council, and that the Mayor or members of the Commission could request special meetings in between.
Ms. Fazekas began her public comment. She suggested using the Next Door website to notify residents about
listening sessions since the message can be targeted to specific neighborhoods. Ms. King questioned how
people would know about Next Door to receive City messages, and there was a discussion on communications
strategies. Ms. King suggested fliers on door and mailers. Mr. Zak noted there is a cost to producing the fliers
and said no strategy will reach the point where everyone feels informed. Mr. Wett said there is apathy
towards government, so mailers may not be as effective as connecting with people through word of mouth.
Ms. Fazekas continued her public comment. She asked the Commission if they were aware of the ProPublica
and Chicago Tribune investigation on children receiving tickets in school. She noted the City and School District
have approved an agreement to increase the number of School Resource Officers by two, with an option for a
third. She said tickets written by the SROs could be costly, the administrative hearing process is not set up for
children and schools are getting around a ban on fining students by making referrals to the police. She said she
has done FOIA requests to obtain local data and believes the practice is a liability to the City since it may result
in civil lawsuits. She discussed the administrative hearing process, noting if fines are not paid up front and the
hearing is missed, the maximum fines and court costs are assessed. She said someone should look into the
administrative hearing process.
Chair Gastiger said if Ms. Fazekas' comments were substantiated by school officials, it would confirm his worst
fears about School Resource Officers. He said the topic is something that should be given close attention by
the Commission and he would ask Police Chief David Byrd and a school official to the next meeting. Ms. King
said school superintendents came to HRC meetings in the past and this would be a good time for the new
DeKalb School District superintendent to attend. Mr. Wett said the Commission may also want to look into the
state of the diversion program. Mr. Charvat noted the Commission could call a special meeting for November
Mr. Wett said they may want to invite a representative from juvenile court services.
Mr. Charvat said he is concerned with the Commission moving to six meetings a year and asked for the
rationale since he believes there are issues for the Commission to consider. He said the Commission also
needs to educate the public on the role of the HRC. Chair Gastiger said that is why he wants to reach out to
PTOs and neighborhood groups.
Mr. Zak questions if clarification was needed on whether the topic of SROs was the purview of the Citizens
Police Review Board. Chair Gastiger said he did not believe so since the topic is not dealing with the behavior
of an individual officer.
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to schedule a special meeting for November. The motion was made by Mr.
Wett and seconded by Ms. Franklin. It was clarified that the meeting would be on Nov. 1. The motion was
approved by unanimous voice vote. Ms. King asked for clarification on the subject of the meeting. Chair
Gastiger said it would be an opportunity to ask frank questions on the criminalization of bad behavior and who
that targets. Ms. King said policy should be reviewed. Mr. Zak noted the agreement with the School District
not only added SROs but also addressed duties and a Code of Conduct.
a. Homelessness in DeKalb, especially though not exclusively among those with debilitating
conditions
Mr. Wett said he has heard concerns about a rise in homelessness and that there are times the Hope Haven
homeless shelter is at capacity. He said an intergovernmental agreement between the City and Park District
may be an option to provide more housing during the winter.
b. Transdev fees and vouchers for nursing home residents
Mr. Wett said Transdev is now charging for door-to-door service for the elderly and disabled. He said the
Commission may want to investigate helping people get vouchers for the service.
2. Announcements
a. This is My Brave performance at the Egyptian Theatre, Thursday, October 13, 7:00 P.M.
Mr. Wett said he will be performing poetry on being a therapist and helping others with their struggles and
there will be other phenomenal performances.
b. Florence Price Concert, performed by the Kishwaukee Symphony Orchestra, Saturday,
October 15, 7:30 P.M.
Chair Gastiger shared the KSO will be performing pieces by Ms. Price, the first African American woman whose
work was performed by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.
c. Youth Mental Health First Aid Training, Friday, October 21, 8:30-3:30, at the Community
Outreach Building
Ms. King added NIU is celebrating their Homecoming and invited Commissioners to the game and events.
G. Adjournment
Mr. Gilbert motioned to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Ms. King. The motion was approved by unanimous
voice vote. The meeting was declared adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Scott Zak, Management Analyst & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on December 6, 2022.