Landmark Commission
Regular MeetingDeKalb, IL · May 18, 2017
Minutes
DeKalb Municipal Building
Glidden Conference Room
200 S. Fourth St., 2nd Floor
DeKalb, IL 60115
MINUTES
LANDMARK COMMISSION
May 18, 2017
7:00 PM
Chairman Gable called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM.
A. ROLL CALL
The following members of the Landmark Commission were present: Donna Gable,
Amanda Durik, Robert Glover, and Donna Schultz Xidis. Elizabeth Wirsing joined
the meeting at 7:05 PM. Members absent were Don Whitmore and Pam Collins.
City staff present was Community Development Director Jo Ellen Charlton. Also
present were Lakota Group representatives Nick Kalogeresis and Cade Sterling.
B. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA – ADDITIONS / DELETIONS
Chair Gable requested an amendment to add under New Business “Discussion of
Landmark Commission Chair position.” A. Durik moved to approve the agenda as
amended, R. Glover seconded the motion, and all approved by voice vote.
C. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
None.
D. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – ADDITIONS / DELETIONS
1. October 12, 2016
R. Glover motioned to approve the minutes as presented, A. Durik seconded the
motion, and all approved by voice vote.
E. NEW BUSINESS
1. Presentation – Draft Report regarding the Central Business District property
survey, possible historic district designation, historic preservation project
recommendations, and design guideline recommendations.
Nick Kalogeresis and Cade Sterling presented on behalf of the Lakota Group. Mr.
Kalogeresis noted that Doug Gilbert helped prepare the draft but was not available
to attend this meeting.
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He reported upon the onsite survey, conducted last fall and completed before
Christmas. He stated that since December, Lakota staff has been conducting
background research on the properties using a variety of resources. He noted they
are working on adding missing data to the property survey forms and anticipated
the final report would be ready to present in one month.
Mr. Kalogeresis reported that the survey forms, photos, map can be view online at
http://downtowndekalbsurvey.com/. He stated that the website includes a color-
coded map that categorizes contributing and non-contributing properties, based
upon architectural elements that qualify them for possible neighborhood
nomination to the National Historic Register. He noted that the majority of
contributing properties are west of the railroad tracks, except for the old Fargo
theater building, and to the north and south of the railroad tracks a few residential
properties might qualify as well.
He reported that the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency (IHPA) has received
copies of the survey forms for feedback, but a response has not yet been received.
He said the IHPA can help decide whether applying for a smaller, more
concentrated historic district is more likely to succeed or if a larger district with
breaks due to the presence of non-contributing properties would be more likely to
succeed. He noted a variety of architectural styles exist in in the area west of the
railroad tracks, which would should help that area qualify.
He demonstrated how to use the website’s interactive map and property survey
forms and distributed copies of the draft report. He said that staff at the Sycamore
Library Local History Room and NIU Regional History Center were very helpful.
He summarized the sections of the draft report, which he noted includes
discussions of the multiple architectural forms and styles in the downtown area.
Director Charlton asked if the survey was performed from the sidewalk level. Mr.
Kalogeresis confirmed that was the method. J. Charlton reported that property
owners have recently submitted building permits for roofing work and discovered
upper level façade damage that would not be noticeable from below. She asked
how to address these issues when they arise at that point. Mr. Kalogeresis
responded that it is difficult. He added that most of the Queen Anne style buildings
appear to be well maintained from the exterior.
Mr. Kalogeresis stated that the Egyptian Theatre and Haish Memorial Library are
already listed on the National Register of Historic Places. He reported that four
additional buildings could be eligible for individual listing on the National Register,
including the Drs. Smith building (263 East Lincoln Highway, currently The House)
and the McCabe’s building (323 East Lincoln Highway). In addition, they identified
16 other buildings that may be appropriate for local landmark designation if
property owners are interested.
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He reported that a total of 136 properties were inventoried. He stated that he would
furnish an electronic copy of the draft report. He invited the Commission to
comment upon the draft report and the property forms, ask questions, and provide
any additional information they may have. He said additional historical data still
must be added, including former businesses and property owners. He added that
a context statement will also be crafted.
Mr. Kalogeresis reported he was unable to locate a downtown building inventory
he believed occurred in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s. Chair Donna Gable stated that the
survey was performed by Commission members. She recalled that the inventory
forms had black-and-white photographs attached, which were placed in black
binders and stored in City Hall. She reported that a set was also submitted to the
IHPA. Mr. Kalogeresis stated he spoke with Darius Bryjka at the IHPA, and he told
him the IHPA did not have the documents. Chair Gable recalled visiting the IHPA
in the early 2000s and viewing the documents there. Mr. Kalogeresis stated he
contact the IHPA again to request further searching. Director Charlton stated she
would also search City Hall. Mr. Kalogeresis stated that the survey documents are
important because they help fill in the gap between the present and the era just
after World War II, which is the most recent period found in their research. Director
Charlton added that Fire Station 1, located at Seventh and Pine Streets, has some
interesting old photographs on display that could be useful.
Mr. Kalogeresis reported that his team has not yet begun developing Design
Guidelines. He requested clarification and guidance for this portion of the project.
He recommended removing the current Design Guidelines document in its entirety
from the Municipal Code and inserting a reference instead, the arrangement many
other communities use, so that minor edits to the Design Guidelines would not
prompt an amendment to the Municipal Code. Director Charlton stated she would
provide the current Design Guidelines to Lakota Group as a starting point for
developing the new guidelines.
Mr. Kalogeresis reported little progress has been made to identify historic
downtown properties for potential rehab projects. He asked for assistance for
identifying properties and contacting owners. He noted he met with the owners of
Gordon Hardware early in the project to discuss their plans to rehab the interior
and reopen the storefront.
Ms. Xidis mentioned the owner of Cracker Jax expressed interest in rehabbing her
building’s façade.
The Commission and Mr. Kalogeresis discussed recommendations for the
following:
• Selecting properties for rehabilitation projects to increase the likelihood
other property owners would be encourage to follow suit;
• Prioritizing properties located west of the railroad tracks along Lincoln
Highway;
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• Focusing on store-front rehabilitations and signage;
• Deciding different levels of rehabilitation from minor to major;
• Ensuring rehabilitation efforts last long term; and
• Designating properties in significant need of repair and maintenance.
Director Charlton stated that downtown property owners’ renewed interest in
investing in their buildings has led to building permits for improvements. She
voiced concern that staff does not have the necessary tool, Historic Property
Design Guidelines, to evaluate the proposed improvements to ensure they are
using historically appropriate methods and materials.
Mr. Kalogeresis stated his team would provide a memo listing of properties with
the most significant maintenance needs. He recommended property owners seek
to improve their properties by opening previously closed storefronts to improve
sidewalk appeal. He asked the Commission to review the beginning sections of
the draft report and each survey form and provide comments and questions.
The Commission discussed deadlines for submitting comments, revisions, and
future meeting dates:
• June 9th – Deadline to send comments to Director Charlton
• Prior to June 23rd – Lakota’s final draft due to City
• June 23rd – Agenda distributed with Commission comments on draft report
• June 28th – Meeting
Chair Gable recommended contacting the owners of the old Drs. Smith building
for possible rehab projects, as they recently sought Landmark Commission advice
on repairing or replacing the windows. Director Charlton inquired about cleaning
methods to remove the mottling on the building’s façade. Mr. Kalogeresis
recommended against damaging pressure washing and chemicals. He said soap
and water on a brush can be both gentle and effective and were used on Chicago
buildings during recent rehabs.
2. Discussion – Donna Schultz Xidis to report upon attendance at recent
workshop.
Prior to Ms. Xidis’ presentation, Chair Gable recalled an annual IHPA report, likely
due in June, and one of the requirements for the report is training for at least one
of the members. Director Charlton stated she would look into the IHPA annual
report deadline and requirements.
Ms. Xidis reported she attended the Illinois Association of Historic Preservation
Commission (IAHPC) in Princeton on Saturday, May 6th. She distributed copies of
the materials she received and her notes. Ms. Xidis summarized the topics covered
in the workshop. She noted that a Facebook page called “Remembering Princeton”
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for Princeton residents to share personal historic photographs. A discussion
followed on possible social media venues for historic photographs of DeKalb.
Ms. Xidis reported upon preservation legislation updates. She stated that federal
preservation tax credits are available in 40 states, but Illinois is not one of them.
However, a bill has recently been proposed to provide smaller tax credits for
smaller communities. She also learned that the IHPA may become part of the
Department of Natural Resources, which may help with maintaining funding. She
said she also learned about other communities’ design guidelines, which could be
helpful in developing them for DeKalb. She noted that she included a list of
resources in the notes she distributed.
Chair Gable reported that she received only a week’s notice of that workshop, and
a conflict in her schedule prevented her from attending. She stated she would
contact the IHPA to request communications for events further in advance and with
more regularity. She encouraged other Commission members to participate in
similar events to learn about historic preservation in other communities.
Ms. Xidis added that she learned that other communities do often separate their
design guidelines from their municipal codes and provide references therein
instead, as Mr. Kalogeresis recommended earlier.
3. Discussion – Landmark Commission Chair election
Chair Gable reported the chair is appointed annually for a one-year term. She said
she has been chair since December 2015 and was willing to remain chair, step
down, or work with a co-chair. Director Charlton stated she would report at the next
meeting the City’s procedure for chair appointment.
Continued Discussion of Downtown Property History
Director Charlton reported renewed interest in investing in downtown properties,
so having design guidelines for historic properties right now is important. She
reported upon Cohen Barnes’ plans for renovating the building that was formerly
Moxie’s, including dividing the spaces, installing an elevator, and adding windows
to the second floor façade. She stated he will be using some of the space for his
own tech business and rent out the rest until his business requires more space.
Chair Gable recalled that Malone’s department store occupied the building even
earlier, and it had second floor windows. She recommended examining the interior
to determine the locations of the old window and placing new windows similarly.
Director Charlton reported that building permits have already been obtained and
the windows have been cut in.
Director Charlton reported upon recent discussions with downtown property
owners and business owners. She noted that part of the Eduardo’s restaurant
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building has recently been sold. She stated that Jim Hovis, owner of old Elk’s
Lodge, discussed options for his property and potential new uses of the spaces.
She stated that Omar, owner of Mediterraneo, is still seeking a place to relocate
his restaurant to a permanent downtown location that already has kitchen facilities.
She also stated that The Forge is relocating its operation to the building next to the
laundromat on North Sixth Street.
F. OLD BUSINESS
None.
G. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Chair Gable recommended scheduling more regular meetings again. The next
meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, June 28, 2017, at 7:00 PM.
Chair Gable provided an update upon Commissioner Pam Collins, who was not
reappointed to the Commission when other members were. She said she is in
contact with Ms. Collins regularly, and she enjoys receiving Commission
communications but cannot attend meetings currently. Director Charlton said she
would confirm when Ms. Collins’ term ended and how she could continue
participating.
Chair Gable proposed discussing the meeting schedule at the next meeting, so
Don Whitmore may participate. The other Commissioners agreed.
Chair Gable announced the Local Lore series of talks, which take place monthly,
mostly at Ellwood House. She commended Commission Rob Glover who spoke
on the ongoing Glidden Homestead barn archeological dig. The schedule of dates,
locations, and topics can be found on the Ellwood House website.
H. ADJOURNMENT
A. Durik motioned to adjourn the meeting, R. Glover seconded, and all approved
by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 8:55 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Natalie Nelson, Administrative Assistant
Minutes approved by the Landmark Commission on August 29, 2017.
Agenda
Glidden Conference Room
200 S. Fourth St., 2nd Floor
DeKalb, IL 60115
AGENDA
LANDMARK COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
May 18, 2017
A. ROLL CALL
B. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
C. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
D. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
1. October 12, 2016
E. NEW BUSINESS
1. Presentation by Nick Kalogeresis of the Lakota Group: Draft Report regarding the
Central Business District property survey, possible historic district designation, historic
preservation project recommendations, and design guideline recommendations.
2. Discussion – Donna Schultz Xidis to report upon attendance at recent workshop.
F. OLD BUSINESS
G. ANNOUNCEMENTS
1. Future meeting dates
H. ADJOURNMENT
If you are unable to attend or have questions regarding this meeting, please contact Community
Development Director Jo Ellen Charlton at 815-748-2371.
DeKalb City Hall
200 S. Fourth St., 2nd Floor
Glidden Conference Room
MINUTES
LANDMARK COMMISSION
October 12, 2016
7:00 PM
The Landmark Commission held a Meeting on October 12, 2016 in the Glidden
Conference Room at the Municipal Building, located at 200 South Fourth Street in
DeKalb, Illinois.
Chairman Gable called the meeting to order at 7:05 PM.
A. ROLL CALL
The following members of the Landmark Commission were present: Donna
Gable, Amanda Durik, Robert Glover, Donna Schultz Xidis, and Don Whitmore.
Members absent were Elizabeth Wirsing and Pam Collins.
Also present were City of DeKalb Economic Development Planner Jason
Michnick and Lakota Group representatives Nick Kalogeresis and Doug Gilbert.
B. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA – ADDITIONS / DELETIONS
A. Durik move to approve the agenda, seconded by R. Glover, and all approved
by voice vote.
C. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
None.
D. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – ADDITIONS / DELETIONS
September 22, 2016 – Typographical errors in the minutes were corrected:
• Page 1, item B. Approval of Agenda: Revise “Schulz” to read “Schultz.”
• Page 1, item E. New Business: Revise “Elwood” to read “Ellwood” in each
instance.
• Page 2, item 3: Revise “D. Xidis commented on it being a very interested day”
to read, “D. Xidis commented on it being a very interesting day.”
A. Durik motioned to approve the minutes as amended, D. Whitmore seconded,
and all approved by voice vote.
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E. NEW BUSINESS
1. Introductions – The Lakota Group
D. Gable welcomed the Lakota Group representatives: Nick Kalogeresis and Doug
Gilbert.
Mr. Kalogeresis, Vice President of Lakota Group, a planning and design firm based
in Chicago, provided and overview of his firm’s experience and expertise. He said
his firm found this project interesting because, in addition to the historic survey, there
is an architectural component that involves working with property owners. Lakota
Group does not have architects on staff, but they have worked closely with architect
Doug Gilbert on historic preservation projects for the past several years.
Mr. Gilbert provided an overview of his experience and expertise as a preservation-
focused architect with his own firm based out of Oak Park. Mr. Gilbert said he was
the designer for the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency’s Illinois Main Street and he
has a strong history of promoting commercial revitalization. He and Mr. Kalogeresis
met while working on the Illinois Main Street project. They are both Oak Park
residents.
2. Define Project Work Plan and Schedule
Mr. Kalogeresis expressed that the goal of the project is to establish a downtown
historic district. The project timeline was distributed, starting today and completing
date in April. The first activities include going out in the field as soon as possible due
to the weather. They will be using iPads to document the survey, and the cold
weather causes technical problems.
A discussion of the next meeting between the Landmark Commission and Lakota
Group took place. The evening of November 17th, which is the third Thursday of
November, was proposed and agreed upon as the next meeting date. The
consultants plan to begin survey work as soon as possible, and it will likely take
about two weeks. Most, if not all of the survey, should be complete in time for the
next Commission meeting, weather permitting.
Mr. Kalogeresis stated he was unsure of how much time they would take reviewing
building permit records for building changes. It was stated that City building permit
record-keeping starts in the 1960s, and locating historic building permits could be a
challenge due to off-site storage and records organization throughout the years.
The consultants outlined in detail a tentative project timeline, including dates for
drafts and revisions of the survey report and survey forms, as well as building
reports. To fulfill the contract requirement to meet with up to eight property owners to
plan potential projects, the consultants asked City staff to identify, or develop a
process to identify, those properties and coordinate meetings with property possibly
in December. The consultants have already met with one property owner. The
development of design guidelines is also part of the timeline. The consultants asked
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for guidance from the City and the Commission regarding the depth of the design
guidelines to be developed.
The consultant presentation to the downtown property owners was not an event on
the presented timeline, but it can be added as an event during mid-March or early
April or it could be made part of a Landmark Commission meeting. J. Michnick
confirmed that the business owners in downtown meet monthly, but the property
owners might be more challenging to track down and contact. The City will work to
invite them directly, in addition to sending out information to the general public about
the presentation, in hopes they will find preserving their property’s unique
characteristics an attractive investment. The consultant stated they revise the
schedule to include the public information meeting.
3. Define project duties for Lakota, City staff, and Landmark Commission
members
The consultants referred to the handouts, including the inventory form. The
consultants will perform the survey electronically, using SiteVista software, which
includes a project website for public view. The consultants provided a sample project
they completed in Berwyn, which included an online map with each property’s
inventory form viewable as a pdf. If volunteers would like to perform background
research, they can be allowed to input permit information into the website. The
SiteVista licensed is included in the contract. The City must decide if they want to
renew the license after the one-year period. If not renewed, the data can be exported
into spreadsheets that can imported into GIS. The consultant stated that the
SiteVista license start date is the date of their contract’s start. Ten hard copies of the
survey report and a digital pdf file will be provided to the City, as well as the
inventory forms. The City’s website will also have a link to the electronic files. The
consultants will use iPads to record their findings, and those findings will be
uploaded to the project website.
The consultants provided overviews of sample survey forms, including an in-depth
four-page survey form and a condensed two-page survey form they have used in the
past in other communities. The longer form includes space for building permit
information and an extensive architectural description. The shorter form is suitable
for IHPD historic district nomination and appears more user-friendly to a novice. The
consultants asked for guidance from the Commission for which form to use. The
shorter form allows for narrative and comments areas for historic building use and
other miscellaneous information. The Commission member consensus was that the
shorter form will be adequate.
The consultants explained that the final product’s interactive map allows users to
click on an address and receive both general information and specific survey
information. Other users may be given access to enter information as well, if the City
desires.
The consultants provided drive-through observations of the proposed survey
boundaries, which will likely be larger than the National Register nomination
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boundaries. They recommended that the churches north of Lincoln Highway not be
included in the survey because they are situated nearer residential buildings, not
downtown. They noted that 1966, and soon 1967, are the latest building dates that
can be considered historic. They also recommended that the industrial areas around
the railroad tracks not be included in the survey. The Commission recommended
that the public library be included in the survey, even though it is north of the
downtown area. The consultants’ recommended area includes approximately 100
buildings.
4. Identify resources and resource people
• Joiner History Room – DeKalb County records and a postcard collection are
housed in the Sycamore Public Library. The hours are Tuesdays and Thursdays
10 am to 3 pm. Contact person is Sue Breese.
• NIU Regional History Library – contains a large collection of photographs,
including downtown photos, electronic Sanborn maps, and NIU yearbooks are
available online on the niu.edu website.
• DeKalb Public Library – Local history materials may be found at the DeKalb
Public Library’s local history room, which has limited staff and limited hours.
Historic directories are part of the library’s collection. Contact people are Teresa
Iverson and Steve Bigolin.
• Ellwood History – Resources related to the Ellwood House and family and the
barbed wire business and factories. Some of the same materials are also
available at the NIU Regional History Library. Contact person is Donna Gable.
• Haish – The DeKalb Public Library, including Steve Bigolin, may have some
limited resources, but much has been lost. Jeff Marshall is a Haish relative who
may have some resources.
• Glidden – Glidden Homestead has property abstracts for DeKalb, about 70% of
them have been processed with addresses and entered into a database. Contact
person is Rob Glover.
• Other resources – It was believed that the City has Sanborn maps, which are
very valuable resources in place of the lack of historic permit data, provided the
pages have not been pasted over with updates, as was customary in the past.
The consultants requested access to the Otto’s building at First Street and Lincoln
Highway. Planner Michnick reported that the building is the subject of a lawsuit
brought by the City which is requesting remediation due to extensive disrepair and
water issue. Planner Michnick stated he would look into getting the consultants
access to the building prior to the January 6th court date. Access to the interior
requires protective gear due to suspected presence of mold and asbestos. Planner
Michnick reported that building is still leaking due to damage in the internal drainage
system. The consultants expressed interest in preserving the façade of the building if
possible. A discussion took place regarding the building’s structural integrity,
necessary repairs to the drainage system, and the cost for repairs. The consultants
asked to review the reports the City regarding the building, and Planner Michnick
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stated he would provide them. Chair Gable and Commissioner Durik stated that the
corner location is important to downtown, and it would be unfortunate if the building
were removed. It was noted that a few residential buildings near downtown DeKalb
may be included in the survey.
The consultants invited the Commissioners to contact them and provide information
to them. The old walking tour booklet was made available to them. The consultants
stated there is no architectural style manual “bible” for commercial buildings, but the
Virginia Savage McAlester’s manual is acceptable, although it addresses mostly
residential buildings. The consultants also mentioned “The Buildings of Main Street,”
by Richard Longstreth, which addresses building forms but not style. Determining
building styles can be debatable, but the IHPA makes the final determination.
Planner Michnick stated that he will be the City contact person until he tells the
Commission and consultants otherwise. Chair Gable invited the consultants to
contact her if she can be of assistance. The consultants also invited the
Commissioners to contact them if they would like to have access and contribute to
the survey database.
5. Review Draft Survey Form and Evaluation Criteria
This item was covered in discussion above.
6. Discuss Historic Context Information
This item was not addressed at this meeting.
F. OLD BUSINESS
None.
G. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Next meeting date: November 17, 2016 at 7:00pm.
City staff was asked to look into (a) how are permits organized, (b) how far back do
permit records go, and (c) what if any Sanborn maps does the City own.
H. ADJOURNMENT
A. Durik motioned to adjourn the meeting, D. Whitmore seconded, and all
approved by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 8:25 PM.
Respectfully Submitted
Jason Michnick, Economic Development Planner