Historic Preservation Commission

Edwardsville Historic Preservation Commission Meeting City Council Chambers July 9, 2014 I. Call to Order: The meeting was called to order at 7:01 P.M. by Chairwoman Debbie Caulk Cara Lane agreed to be HPC secretary. (Note from Debbie: Thanks so much, Cara!) II. Roll Call: Present: Kathryn Biarkis, Debbie Caulk, Cheryl Jett, Joe Hutton, Bob Nickrent, Casey Weeks, and Cara Lane Excused Absence: Kurt Ackerman, Rusty Hughes, Cindy Reinhardt Absent: Elizabeth Edwards and Steve Mudge Also present: City Planner Scott Hanson and City Council Member Will Krause Motion by Bob Nickrent to amend the agenda allowing citizens wishing to address the council first (we may move back and forth). Motion passed. Joe Russo (908 Longfellow) seeking HPC input on a porch—looking for direction in what to do; Scott Hanson addressed the issue of a roof and the issue of non- contributing structures and rules/guidelines for these structures. Mr. Hanson suggested that we create a subcommittee that might address how to handle these types of questions for non-historic structures. Joe Hutton acknowledged that a porch that reflected the current style would be appropriate. Grandview: Two citizens shared their community’s interested in establishing Grandview as a historic district. Much paperwork has already been gathered; looking for support and guidance. Debbie Caulk ~ founding date for Grandview? (possibly 1958/59); Kathryn suggested that they look at how the folks worked to get Leclaire designated as a historic district; Will Krause suggested looking at the National Register to see how this type of subdivision might be addressed (Ladue Estates); A vote of the residents seems to be the most appropriate next step as well as addressing what it means for a community to be designated in this manner (making sure the residents are educated about all angles of this issue; ex. What restrictions might exist ~ Will suggested looking into CLG funding to do this kind of work for the guidelines that might exist for a neighborhood for this era; Scott suggested looking again to Ladue for residential design guides. They are planning a presentation to educate (and inspire) their residents. Will also commented that should Grandview go through with this and qualify for a Historic District it would be the first from that era to qualify on this side of the river. Also, check with Joe Hutton motioned that HPC support this endeavor; Cheryl Jett 2nd it (motion passed) III. Design Review: A. Donna Potter (915 St. Louis St.) regarding whether a pool would be approved or not; Joe Hutton cautioned despite a pool being “fine” for this area, it’s not a “rubber stamp” for any new owners; Joe motioned, Cara 2nd, Pass B. 744 Holyoake ~ Chandler Vandenberg discussed that there allegedly was an enclosed fence that eventually went into disrepair; he wants to put in a CertaGrain fence that looks and feels like wood (it is vinyl); it is projected that this fence will last 20-30 years; Mr. Vandenberg cited that many other materials for the home are modern materials that are made to look historical ~ the pergola was a way to “finish” the porch that had been left with two exposed beams; Mr. Hanson commented that Leclaire has not accepted vinyl, ever. Joe Hutton suggested AZEK, which is an approved material, that may achieve the desired effect for both looks and longevity. With regard to the pergola, how might we suggest ways to make this structure look more in line with other structures in Leclaire. Suggestion #1 – paint it white; Suggestion #2 –the cladding/outer boarding and add some detailing/reshaping for dimension might be adjusted to fit with the architectural integrity. Motion to separate the 2 portions of the COA by Casey: Bob 2; Motion passed. Joe motioned to deny the vinyl fence/Joe amended his motion approving the COA as amended to 6 ft. privacy wood or AZEK fence 2nd by Casey; Joe ~ Motion to accept the pergola as Clad 1x12 AZEK and apply a scalloped/decorative shape at end; use same detail on both sides of double-header ; and paint all surfaces white to match house trip 2nd Cara, motion passed C. 1254 Emerson ~ Debbie addressed that vinyl fence has never been approved for Leclaire; other options regarding a picket fence that is dog-eared; Ms. Gucciardo regarded amending her COA for picket wood/composite. Bob ~ Motion to pass the amended COA with a picket wood or composite material for the side yard and a wood or composite material privacy fence for the back yard: 2nd Casey. Motion passed. D. Vince Schlueter: Added to agenda 812 Hale: COA, take off siding and take it back to original clap-board siding; what is our recommendation regarding what to do with this “discovered” window; Kurt said he would not recommend vinyl; Vince is okay with wood. The garden window is a replacement window; Joe agrees with Vince’s plan of attack especially since it is in line with the historic approaches. He has our blessing (a motion was not needed). E. 927 Hale (Susan Baum); Mr. Hanson reminded us of March meeting HPC. Since the denial for this structure, much new information has come to light and this particular structure is “non-contributing” and is now back to HPC for a review. Will Krause cited that rehabilitation guidelines traditionally; HPC has traditionally, with garages, gone with a structure that is stylistically fitting with the main structure; Ms. Baum just wants to demolish this structure. Kurt Ackerman via email addressed the issue of holding even non-contributing structures to the standards of the neighborhood. Discussion ensued about what should happen with this structure. Motion that the demolition be approved, Cara, Bob 2nd, Roll Call Vote Joe: N, Cheryl: N, Cara: A, Casey: N, Motion failed Scott Hansen addressed the 2nd aspect of the COA re: Roof/Gutters; Joe Hutton,  based on the limited information he has (he has not inspected this for himself), is concerned that this structure is something that can be matched and because the COA doesn’t include what will be used as a replacement. Recommended: Certain lumber yards stock appropriate materials to do the job. Casey motion to approve the amended COA with the contingency that the applicant will provide sample/picture of the old and new molding showing the profile; a committee of three (Joe, Casey, and Bob) will review new material. Citizen Address: 1220 Troy Rd. Project: garage. Homeowner was looking for guidance for her garage, now in disrepair. One-car garage can be replaced with a two-car garage (COA); cost was prohibitive ($20,000 for materials and labor; $18,000 for oversized one-car garage); Mick Construction to HPC: concrete footing and wall is in “bad condition” and has shifted “6 inches to the South.” F. 922 Holyoake COA: Casey made a motion to pass; Bob 2nds. Joe Abstains IV. Citizens wishing to address HPC: Will Krause: Immediate concern for cemetery for new construction on Fire/Police Dept. structure; Will is advising that we be sympathetic/supportive of their efforts to showcase their history and to maybe work with them to develop some of the display signs/public outreach. Doug Moody? (fire dept.) This concept is in the very early stages of development. #2 Nickle Plate Depot still sits on L&C property; Will has permission from City to get that turned over to other owners so that this structure can be saved and that an HPC member will help with the overall process. Pushing for either the GPA improvement (paint, fix it) or need to look at other alternatives. V. Approval of minutes of the HPC June 11, 2014 meeting. Cheryl Jett made a motion to approve the minutes. Casey Weeks seconded the motion. The motion was approved. Hard/Soft Copies of Agendas/Minutes: Debbie would like to continue receiving a hard copy. VI. Treasurer’s Report. We have money to spend and it might be wise to spend it so that future budgets get approved. (Plaques? Debbie will talk to Will about the financial reports with a “map-out” of spending. Cheryl suggested that we revisit the Route 66 landmarks/signs; VERY possible that October 2015 will be the date of a large Route 66 gathering at The Wildey). VII. Correspondence. Joe is on the commission until 2017, Cara is on until 2017 as well. VIII. Committee Reports A. Research Project: Cheryl (Route 66 history sites), Casey (walking tours for Farmer’s Market), Kathryn (paintings in the library), Debbie (Lincoln connections to Edwardsville), and Bob (photographs “Capturing the Now”/photo archive), and Cara (Leclaire and other Industrial towns). B. ArchiRroom programming is needed by the end of July C. Brochures? Is Cindy in charge of this? Cheryl takes them to the Route 66 spots. D. Preservation Week: We need a committee to take some pressure off of Cindy E. Route 66 Festival: “Awesome” “Great” and motor tour people on Friday who seemed to stick around the festival.  F. Attaboy letters. No report G. Historic Districts and Landmarks updates i. Stephenson House. Cara will be the liaison for this. ii. Brick Streets. Casey = liaison. iii. Downtown. iv. Leclaire. Bob = liaison v. St. Louis Street. Karen = liaison H. Other IX. Old Business. Biographies are needed; Scott Hansen talked about the discussion had with the Children’s Museum liaison regarding the sign and mentioned that Debbie was a “great ambassador” regarding the materials used for the sign and how Stephenson house should be a model for what they construct. They have revised their approach and the issue with the lighting had not yet been solidified. Wood appears to be the direction they will take. X. New Business: A committee needs to be developed to address the issue with non-contributing guidelines. Scott recommended that he and Will Krause investigate what other communities have done and report at the next meeting (since there is an element of urgency). Scott will email the Illinois guidelines. Subcommittee: Joe, Bob (who would drop if Kurt is interested), and Casey. Guided Tour of Edwardsville for City Council members (Oct. 19th): $135 to Friends of Leclaire to pay for trolley motion Joe Hutton, Bob Nickrent seconded. Motion passed. (Meet here at City Hall at 10:15 for 10:45 – 11:45 historic tour. ) Attaboy: Form letters? Check with Cheryl Watson. Is Rusty doing this? Scott Hansen: Progress on Lincoln School; the city has options on the mobile home lot and ___ to make a parking area/not sure how L&C will share their concept with HPC; they might be making an addition to Lincoln School for a Humanity Center; Formerly, Rusty’s, the TIFF agreement has expired for Hendrick’s BBQ, but that owner doesn’t necessarily care about the city $, it’s just slow going. XI. Adjournment: Next Meeting is August 13, 2014 The meeting was adjourned at 9:57 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Cara Lane Secretary 