Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingEdwardsville, IL · May 8, 2019
Minutes
Edwardsville Historic Preservation Commission
May Meeting Minutes
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2019
Time: 7pm
Place: Council Chambers, City of Edwardsville City Hall, 118 Hillsboro Avenue, Edwardsville, IL 62025
I. CALL TO ORDER
Commission Chairman Tom May called the meeting to order at 7pm.
II. ROLL CALL
Present: Brandon Adair, Ryan Downey, John Hackett, Tom May, Bob Nickrent, Kerry Smith
and Jennifer Wilkins (excused absences: Jeanne Coyle, Arnold Frankee, Joe Hutton)
III. INTRODUCTION of New Commission Members (Brandon Adair and John Hackett (2 of 3
new HPC members, along with Arnold Frankee, who couldn’t attend)
IV. CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS HPC
1. Karen Zimmerman, 6633 Foxview Drive, also owns 1301 N. Main Street (historic
property)
2. Pam Clarken, 140 Columbia Avenue
V. COA DESIGN REVIEW
a. COA #1: 1201 N. Main Street (within Downtown Historic District). Owner: Fowler
Management Services – motion to accept COA. Bob Nickrent moved, Kerry Smith seconded.
Robert Sergei, facilities planner for J.F. Electric and Donco, former PM at Henderson
Associates for 19 years, offered comments. Owner is proposing a 6,000-square-foot
restaurant on the site of the former Rusty’s Restaurant. In November 2018, the HPC gave
Jonathan Fowler two conditions: 1) Developer must agree to maintain, reinforce and/or
preserve the eastern masonry wall from original building in original stairstep pattern. 2) If
due to the structural integrity (or lack thereof) of the brick or conditions beyond control the
walls are not able to be preserved, requirement #1 shall not apply. 6.5-feet deep by 2-foot
wide concrete piers would be needed. Seismic engineer (Mark Beheady at Dream Runners
Ltd.) says a seismic incident could crack and the wall would tumble. Paint and plaster on the
existing brick would need to be stripped off. Sergei said Fowler Management Services
believes the estimated $150,000 cost places undue burden on the developer and citizens.
Unforeseen costs could drive the costs up higher. Public safety and cost objection. Owner is
proposing saving existing brick wall and reusing the good brick in order to erect a
monument close to where the original wall was. 1) demolition (but monument instead) 2)
approve the exterior new materials list. (modular red brick, utility size brick, creative mines
masonry veneer – craft board form/barnwood, windows/canopies/copings). Existing Poag
wall is 10 feet tall.
Motion to split COA into 2 parts – Jennifer Wilkins moved, Bob Nickrent seconded.
1. Demolition – Jennifer Wilkins says (according to HPC code) if the structure is of
significance. Tom May: Poag Building has local landmark status. First brick building in
Edwardsville. Originally a land grant office and US Post Office dating back to the
Revolutionary War period. Robert Poag.
2. Site Elevations – Jennifer Wilkins says proposed placement of the restaurant building on
the site has improved since the owner’s previous proposal. JW asked if zoning variance
has been granted. Robert Seigel said no. JW says there are fewer design guidelines for
new construction. TM asked what the plan is for the saved brick.
2- part vote: site plan – Ryan Downey motioned to approve site plan; Bob Nickrent
seconded. Roll call vote was unanimous in favor of approving the site plan for the
proposed restaurant.
Motion to approve the demolition: Jennifer Wilkins motioned, John Hackett seconded.
Roll call vote: Brandon Adair: no, Ryan Downey: no, Tom May: no, Kerry Smith: yes,
Jennifer Wilkins: no, Bob Nickrent: no, John Hackett: yes. 5-2 in favor of rejecting the
COA to demolish the site formerly known as Rusty’s restaurant.
b. COA #2: 230 N. Kansas Street (within Downtown Historic District). Owner: Brian Pezza
1. Shed – 1905-06 foursquare, 3-story building, arts and crafts style, full red brick. Carport
but no garage or outdoor storage options. Would like to build a simple storage shed.
COA states 10x12-foot storage shed but he would like to amend it to make it a larger,
12x16-foot shed but same specs. SE corner with appropriate 5-foot setbacks to east and
10 feet from southern boundary. Hopes to do cedar shake. Motion to accept COA –
Ryan Downey made the motion, Bob seconded. Roll call vote: Unanimous yes in favor of
approving COA #2.
c. COA #3: 1025 St. Louis Street (within St. Louis Street Historic District). Owners: Joshua &
Rebecca Young
1. Garage – construction of this at the rear of the lot. Original drawings with modification
to make sure that the structure falls within lot boundaries. Seeking approval of COA
with N elevation (facing Randall Street) – this side would allow for 2 more vehicles
underneath (subterranean). Owner owns the lot north of there as well (2 separate
parcels). This COA approval is a plan B in case the owner cannot shift it back a foot.
Motion to approve COA as modified that includes lower level back side of garage.
(either option as engineer or architect will allow – most inclusive of these options). John
Hackett made motion, Bob Nickrent seconded. Roll call vote: Unanimous yes in favor of
approving COA #3.
d. COA #4: 1223 Lindenwood Avenue (within Leclaire Historic District). Owner: Joe Wieneke
1. Garage (Coach House) – Bob Nickrent moved, Ryan Downey seconded to accept COA #4.
Demo of a structure in a national historic district. What are the origins of the existing
one-car garage that we’re being asked to demolish? Tom May did a walk-by and exterior
looks deteriorated. All garages need to have exposed rafter tails (open-tail trusses). Two
windows in current garage, one is boarded in, one on the side is a 6-panel solid window
(doesn’t open) – owner could retain consider larger window to match 4 over 1 window
on house. New garages must be compatible in style with original house, must be
accessed by the alley. Walt Williams called Mike Richardson, the contractor and
representative of coach house garages on speaker phone since the owner wasn’t
present. Tom May asked contractor if owner would be willing to put in a window
(replacing large old window) in garage. 24x24 feet. 5 feet from alley, 5 feet from side
and 10 feet from house. Contractor has built several garages in Leclaire that HPC has
approved in the past. 4-inch trim package on windows and doors. Lineal around
overhead door and walk-in door and around window. Contractor will not put an east-
west gable ridge on garage (to match house). Bob Nickrent made a motion to approve
COA as amended (re: removing octagon completely), Ryan Downey seconded. Roll call
vote: Unanimous approval of COA #4.
e. COA #5: 115, 117 & 119 (west to east) McKinley Street (within Leclaire Historic District).
Owners: Greg. Signorotti (115) L. Kaskutas, M. Sandrin
Brandon Adair motioned to accept COA #5, Bob Nickrent seconded it.
1. Fence – picket fence to enclose 115 McKinley Street’s backyard, 117 McKinley fence will
enclose full yard (front and back). Proposal specifies 4-foot-high aluminum fence…but
owners are instead considering and proposing a 3.5-foot-tall wooden fence with a
traditional gothic point on it (proposed change)…neighbor at 119 McKinley (to the east
of 117) has an existing fence…she wants to extend her new fence to the existing fence
(10-foot section on 119 to tie into fence at 117). On 117, 3.75-inch slats (openings) along
fence that will be seen from the front (117) along McKinley Street. City Planner Emily
Fultz will work with homeowners to choose non-pointy ones. Jennifer Wilkins motioned
to approve COA, Bob Nickrent seconded it. Roll call vote: Unanimous yes to approve
COA #5.
f. COA #6: 114 Franklin Avenue (within Leclaire Historic District). Owner: M. Palko
1. Patio Extension – last July had a 70-foot, 4-foot diameter ash tree…owner removed
diseased tree, wants to do stamped concrete or whatever would be acceptable. 120-
foot-long gravel driveway from garage to street. He’d like a concrete pad from N end of
garage to S end of house (extension of patio would be attached to existing patio – wants
dyed, stamped patio pavement). Property lines on w side of home – property owner to
the east owned all 3 lots, now Palko owns one of them. Next-door neighbor’s aluminum
fence is on owner Palko’s property line, as is the west wall and foundation of the garage.
Owner’s house was built in 1927. Owner’s garage was built in 1942. Roughly 40 feet up
the driveway, owner wants to put in a privacy fence and create separation with adjacent
property. Owner’s front lawn bleeds into gravel driveway. Wants to build an 18-inch
retaining wall out of stone to set the definition from driveway to yard (roughly 3 blocks
tall) to ease separation. The fence is the only thing visible from Franklin. Jennifer Wilkins
says design guidelines approve of the stone and block (because it’s not wood). Fence
request meets guidelines. (Our guidelines don’t speak to the patio). 40-20 concrete pad
coming off the garage (driveway). Owner wants pressed concrete just for patio section
to serve as a separation.
2. Fencing – approximately 40 feet, same length as driveway pad (same length).
Motion to accept the COA made by Brandon Adair, seconded by Bob Nickrent. Block
retaining wall: right now, wall slants into the yard. Proposing to cut retaining wall (hard
line) into yard to prevent the washout that’s occurring now. City Planner Emily Fultz will
talk with homeowner about options (re: width of the driveway to the retaining wall).
Motion to approve the COA – Ryan Downey made motion; Kerry Smith seconded. Roll
call vote: Unanimous yes to approve COA #6.
g. COA # 7: 912 Longfellow Avenue (within Leclaire Historic District). Owner: M. Rathgeb
1. Fencing – temporary fence to keep small dog in yard. 4 feet tall, aluminum, with one 4x4
gate.
Jennifer Wilkins moved to accept COA #6, Ryan Downey seconded. Roll call vote: Unanimous
approval of COA #6.
VI. APPROVAL OF MARCH MINUTES OF HPC – Ryan Downey motioned, Tom May seconded to
approved April 2019 HPC meeting minutes as submitted. Unanimous approval of minutes.
VII. FINANCIAL REPORT – Walt Williams reported. HPC’s budget was approved for the proposed
increased amount.
VIII. CORRESPONDENCE – None.
IX. COMMITTEE REPORTS
a. Atta-boy letters – None.
b. Historic districts and Landmarks updates
1. Stephenson House
2. Brick Streets
3. Downtown
4. Leclaire
5. St. Louis Street
X. OLD BUSINESS – Preservation awards are coming in on 5/13. Walt will let us know which
city council meeting we might present on, most likely the next regular council meeting
which is May 21. Awards will be presented to those who invested the time and energy and
had the vision to make the project happen. Walt will contact the individuals and invite them
to attend the May 21 city council meeting.
XI. NEW BUSINESS
a. 2019-2020 HPC New Officers; 3-Year Terms beginning May 2019. Mayor appointed 3
new members: Brandon Adair, John Hackett and Arnold Frankee.
ADJOURNMENT: Our next regular HPC meeting is June 12, 2019. Meeting adjourned at 8:58pm.
Minutes respectfully recorded and submitted by Kerry Smith
Agenda
MEMORANDUM
TO: Edwardsville Historic Preservation Commission
FROM: Tom May, Chair
DATE: May 3, 2019
RE: May HPC Meeting
This is notification for the regularly scheduled meeting of the Edwardsville Historic Preservation Commission for
Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 7:00 p.m. to be held in the Council Chambers, City Hall. If you will be unable to attend the
regular meeting, please let me know by calling (618) 407-0678 or through e-mail at tmay.hpc@gmail.com. As a reminder
please notify me of your attendance so that it can be excused if you are unable to attend the meeting.
Attachments: May HPC Agenda
April Minutes
118 Hillsboro Avenue P.O. Box 407 Edwardsville, Illinois 62025-0407 Tel
618.692.7500 www.cityofedwardsville.com
Edwardsville Historic Preservation
Commission
May Meeting Agenda
DATE: May 8, 2019
TIME: 7:00 p.m.
PLACE: Council Chambers, City Hall
118 Hillsboro Avenue, Edwardsville, IL
62025
I. CALL TO ORDER
II. ROLL CALL
III. CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS HPC
IV. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
a. COA #1
Location: 1201 N. Main
Owner: Fowler Management Services
Project:
1. Demolition
2. Site Elevations
b. COA #2
Location: 230 N. Kansas
Owner: Brian Pezza
Project:
1. Shed
c. COA #3
Location: 1025 St. Louis St.
Owner: Joshua & Rebecca Young
Project:
1. Garage
d. COA #4
Location: 1223 Lindenwood Ave.
Owner: Joe Wieneke
Project:
1. Garage
e. COA #5
Location: 115 McKinley, 117 McKinley, 119 McKinley
Owner: G. Signorotti, L. Kaskutas, M. Sandrin
Project:
1. Fence
f. COA #6
Location: 114 Franklin Ave
Owner: M. Palko
Project: 1) Patio Extension 2) Fencing
g. COA #7
Location: 912 Longfellow Ave.
Owner: M. Rathgeb
Project: 1) Fencing
V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF HPC MEETING IN APRIL
VI. FINANCIAL REPORT
VII. CORRESPONDENCE
VIII. COMMITTEE REPORTS
a. Attaboy letters
b. Historic Districts and Landmarks updates
i. Stephenson House
ii. Brick Streets
iii. Downtown
iv. Leclaire
v. St. Louis Street
IX. OLD BUSINESS
X. NEW BUSINESS
a. Preservation Awards
b. HPC calendar
XI. ADJOURNEMENT: NEXT MEETING IS Wednesday, June 12, 2019
118 Hillsboro Avenue P.O. Box 407 Edwardsville, Illinois 62025-0407 Tel
618.692.7500 www.cityofedwardsville.com