Ordinance Committee
Regular MeetingEdwardsville, IL · February 5, 2015
Minutes
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ORDINANCE SUB-COMMITTEE
EDWARDSVILLE PLAN COMMISSION
February 5, 2015
6:00 PM
PRESENT ABSENT
G. Coffey, Chair J. Mullane
M. Rabe, Vice Chair P. Pitts
C. Louer, Alderman Ward 6 B. Schlueter, PC Chairman
M. Brandmeyer, Madison County Planning & Zoning
S. Hanson, Staff
C. Porter, Staff
L. Schneck, Staff
A meeting of the Plan Commission's Ordinance Sub-Committee was held on Thursday, February
5, 2015, and the following proposed ordinance was discussed:
1. I-55 Corridor – Development Regulations
Coffey explained this is an effort between three (3) jurisdictions: Madison County, Village
of Glen Carbon, and the City of Edwardsville. All jurisdictions adopted the same
Comprehensive Plan. The next step will be the adoption of the form-based codes which will
be reviewed by each jurisdiction for approval. There will also be an Intergovernmental
Agreement which will ensure enforcement and consistence to be maintained throughout time.
Hanson gave the projected time line for the Ordinance Committee to meet again. The
planned meetings will be on February 18 and March 2 with hopes of sending this forward to
Plan Commission on March 16. The Village of Glen Carbon had a Plan Commission
meeting last Tuesday with Eric Williams and Scott Hanson attending. Hanson is trying to
emphasize that most people will be building the same kind of building over and over which
will make it pretty straight forward.
Brandmeyer stated Madison County is ready to go. The map is still being revised. He feels
the first public hearing will be the most attended.
Hanson met with a prominent developer in Edwardsville. Their position is “If it ain’t broke,
don’t fix it.” He also met with Kyle Anderson with the Realtor Association who was not up
to speed with the plan. Mr. Anderson will review the plan and get back with him. Mr.
Anderson will check his data and see what the demands and desires of the community would
be. The Millennials are looking for a more urban type of environment. They don’t want to
rely on a car. Only 30% of the millennials are getting their licenses. They are spending more
of their money on electronics and technology. They are also looking for places without the
need for cars.
This plan is allowing more diversity. Single-family homes are allowed in the same district as
multiplexes and live-work buildings. It is less restrictive than what is allowed now. The
more restrictive are the setbacks and building quality. A lot of the residential concerns have
been met. Commercial is more of an issue because the commercial requirements are harder
to adhere to.
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The way this is laid out, you can go straight from the platting process to the building permit
process. If they decide to go through the PUD process, it would take at least 6 months.
Coffey asked if there was any one place where this code is implemented. Hanson explained
that H-3 Consultants took numerous areas throughout the country who use the form-based
codes and did a visual preference survey. They then used the results from the survey to come
up with this particular form-based code. There are profiles for other projects which are
similar to this to compare the success of the development. There is a special website which
includes the proposed plan and map through Madison County’s site. It was suggested to put
something on the City of Edwardsville’s website to refer to Madison County’s site.
Hanson displayed the latest proposed map. They started out with seven (7) different zoning
districts. They are now down to five (5) zoning districts and eighteen (18) building types
within the I-55 Corridor area. Once the map is finalized, it will be presented to the
Ordinance Committee for their approval.
When a large range of uses are allowed, it could create a bad development over time without
strict architectural guidelines. A developer may cut corners in the development which would
affect the development. If you want a high quality development, you have to have high
standards. If you would get rid of the architectural guidelines, you could not do a form-based
code. You run the risk of allowing bad things to happen. Once they are there, you can’t get
rid of them.
There was a question about parking. Each use has an illustration of where parking is
allowed. As far as the number of spaces, it depends on the type of use. Each community will
use its own parking code to adhere to. The committee knows there is an issue with parking in
Edwardsville now. Because of the issue, is the parking ordinance requirements correct?
Recently, a section of the parking ordinance was revised for shopping centers and the B-1
district. Hopefully, the parking will only be needed for people who live further than a mile
away. Those residents within the 1 mile radius will walk to the businesses.
The hospital has purchased land in this area. What other attractions would create interest in
this area? Would the 70-acre park planned by the City of Edwardsville? A lot of the
amenities already exist out there such as the YMCA, Liberty School, bike trails, and Glik
Park. Land pricing and getting the interest of doing it along with putting in the infrastructure
has an impact also. Road requirements are another factor. Currently, Madison County is
developing a road plan. They have hired Oates Associates to lay out the plan. This is not a
public process so there is not a requirement for a public hearing for a road plan. This plan
will also include sidewalks.
Hanson went through a commercial building plan (Section 3.4.6B Commercial, Urban
located on page 3-8). It was discussed that the statement “Buildings shall not exceed one
hundred percent (100%) of the width of the lot” should be taken out. Development Standards
will be looked at a future meeting. Signage will be deferred to each community. The Land
Use table will be replaced with a new table.
The table located on Page3-4 has now been narrowed down to 4 districts. Mixed-Use Office
and Campus districts have been eliminated. The General Neighborhood District is located
within the Village of Glen Carbon so it will not pertain to Edwardsville. This table will also
be updated to reflect the changes.
The question was brought up if someone wanted a variance, how would they proceed. They
could still ask for a variance or they could go through the PUD process. The variance
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process would go through a staff review (a member from each community) and provide a
recommendation. If someone would want to building something that was not allowed in that
particular zoned area, could they get the property rezoned? They could go through that
process but all three (3) communities would have to agree on any zoning change to the
existing zoning map. Hanson stated if Glen Carbon would want to change something, as
long as it didn’t affected Edwardsville directly or indirectly, it should not be a big concern for
Edwardsville. Brandmeyer added that would also be a Council action, not just staff’s action
from the three (3) communities. This would be for map or text changes.
The committee suggested the footnote numbers be removed from the narrative on page 3-8
and left in the box on page 3-9. Number 2 in the footnotes (page 3-9) should be removed. It
is not permitted so it should not be in the document.
Hanson pointed out the floor to ceiling height for ground floor of 12 feet and upper floors at
10 feet. The concept is to allow for more options for the first floor businesses. Example was
given if a dental office moves out; there is an option for a sports bar to move in because of
the higher ceilings. It was suggested to add the word “minimum” to this section. There are
seven (7) types of frontages which will be discussed at a future meeting.
Parking requirements were discussed in further detail. Garage parking was suggested as an
option. The cost for a parking garage is extremely expensive if you divide the cost by the
number of spaces. Municipal lots can also be counted for available parking, if located within
300 feet of a public parking lot.
Public utilities such as roads and infrastructures will have to be installed to the site. This
could be a special service area. It was suggested to have a tax on impervious area. Staff has
not seen anything relating to the form-based code.
Hanson gave an example of a single family detached home – Page 3-34. Hanson had met
with a major developer who expressed concerns with not being able to build a ranch home.
Hanson did not have a problem with allowing a ranch style home. It was asked if there was a
minimum square footage for the building. As it reads, it states the maximum of lot coverage
is 50%. It does not have a minimum requirement.
Another point made by the major developer is that the lots size has a minimum of 3,000
square feet with a maximum of 10,890 square feet. There are some lots in the Vicksburg
development under 11,000 square feet. In Ebbets Field, there are very few lots that are under
11,000 square feet. It was suggested to add the Estate lots into the Urban Residential
District. It was asked how the lot size was determined at 10,890. The lot size of 10,890
square feet is equal to ¼ of an acre. It was pointed out there was a gap between the Single
Family Detached and the Estate lots. The Single Family Detached lots should be increased to
1/3 of an acre which is 14,520 square feet and the Estate lots should be reduced to a
minimum of 14,520 square feet which is also 1/3 of an acre. It was discussed if the
minimum lot size of 3,000 square feet was too small. It was pointed out that New Town has
an area where there are small lots with very nice houses. The market will determine the types
of houses that will be built. The small lots show how expansive this form-based code is. It
was suggested that there should be a minimum living unit. It was decided to have the
minimum of 750 square feet.
Hanson also pointed out another issue of the lot width of minimum of 40 feet with maximum
of 70 feet. With a maximum of 70 feet and the minimum square feet of the lot of 3,000, this
would make a narrow and extremely long lot. This would only work with an alley or side
entry garage. The developer asked if Edwardsville really wanted alleys. It was brought up
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that Wing Haven has issues with alleys because that is where the services are such as trash
pickup. It was an opinion that there should not be a lot of curb cuts along major road. An
example of given of Troy Road with all those curb cut and the issue of getting onto the road.
Curb cuts with front entry garages could be allowed on minor streets. Hanson pointed out
there are side entry garages in Vicksburg but those are located on a corner lot.
Rabe suggested adding the year 2006 of when the plan was adopted on page 3-1 A.
REMINDER:
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 7:00 p.m. at City Hall,
City Council Chambers, 118 Hillsboro Avenue.
Agenda
CITY OF EDWARDSVILLE
Plan Commission
ORDINANCE COMMITTEE
AGENDA
MEETING DATE: Thursday, February 5, 2015
TIME: 6:00 P.M.
PLACE: City Hall Committee Meeting Room
I. CALL TO ORDER
II. STAFF PRESENTATION
III. DISCUSSION
A. I-55 Corridor – Development Regulations
IV. NEW BUSINESS
V. ADJOURNMENT