Ordinance Committee
Regular MeetingEdwardsville, IL · March 7, 2016
Minutes
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ORDINANCE SUB-COMMITTEE
EDWARDSVILLE PLAN COMMISSION
March 7, 2016
6:00 PM
PRESENT ABSENT
G. Coffey, Vice Chair M. Brandmeyer
M. Pierceall J. Mullane, PC Chairman
S. Hanson, Staff P. Pitts
C. Porter, Staff M. Rabe, Chair
L. Schneck, Staff B. Schlueter
A meeting of the Plan Commission's Ordinance Sub-Committee was held on Monday, March 7,
2016, and the following proposed ordinance amendments were discussed:
A. An amendment to the Landscaping and Screening Ordinance.
Scott Hanson stated this is proposed text amendment to the Landscaping Ordinance. In
late 2014 the Transitional Buffer Yard (TBY) requirements were updated which requires
100% screening with berms, evergreens, or fences up to 6 feet in height. There is a hand
full of lots which would not comply with the current regulations causing a “loop hole” in
the ordinance. This is the reason for the amendment. It basically says if you are within
50 feet of a residential zone, transitional buffer yards are applicable.
Pierceall pointed out there is an error then on the summary page which was in the packet.
The first sentence should state “B-2 zoning lots within 50 feet unintentionally serve”.
Hanson gave an example of lots along Hillsboro Avenue going out towards Hamel.
There are many B-2 zoned lots which are narrow but deep. If lots were consolidated and
a lot was left open, then the transitional buffer yard would not have to be met.
Coffey asked if section 1228.08 (1) could be made more clear. He is having a hard time
understanding this sentence, “10% requirement of the lot width or depth but not less than
10 feet or more than 25 feet, or the required yard dimension for the applicable zoning
district, whichever is more stringent.
Porter thought the word “or” should be “of” and that it was a typo.
Coffey stated the caption should be changed also to read – Depth or Width of yard.
It was suggested to include visual examples for the Plan Commission meeting.
Board recommended moving the proposal forward to Plan Commission.
Hanson also pointed out another change in the ordinance. The last sentence in 1228.08
(a), “In instances where zoning district boundaries are situated on streets classified as
collector or arterial roadways (as defined in Table 5A), the landscaping provision of
Section 1228.06 and 1228.07 shall apply.” has been added. He gave an example of
Edwardsville Town Centre which according to the current ordinance would have to have
100% screening along Governors Parkway because the road does not act as an
exemption. It should be clarified that the transitional buffer yard does not apply but
Sections 1228.06 and 1228.07 would still apply. It is not the City’s intent to block view
from the street to the business.
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B. An amendment to the Scope of Regulations – Swimming Pools.
Coffey asked what prompt this change in the ordinance.
Hanson explained the Mayor asked for him to do a study with other communities to
compare requirements. He checked with 35 communities; 13 of those had no
requirements other than what is required through the building code, 11 communities have
the exact same setback as Edwardsville which is 10 feet, and 11 have something in
between 3 feet setback to 8 feet setback. The building code addresses the reasoning for
the setbacks.
Many communities have a 3 foot setback which is intended to have a clearance around
the swimming pool. The scenario would be if someone is drowning, they could get to
that person or throw out a life preserver and be on concrete. The communities with the
minimum 5 foot setback are adhering to the building code. There is a requirement for
pools within 5 foot of a structure to have tempered glass so if someone slips on the
surface of the pool they don’t fall through a glass window. This would not require
communities with the 5 foot minimum setback to review the tempered glass code
requirement. Then there are the other communities which have the 8 foot setback. While
they seem arbitrary, between 0 and 10 feet, there seems to be reasons in the building code
for that distance.
Coffey asked about the 240 square feet of surface area. That would mean there could be
a 10 foot by 24 foot pool that is 6 foot deep which would not require a permit.
Hanson stated the code has been written that way for many years. Staff had issues with
that a couple of years ago. Staff didn’t know if it had to meet both criteria and just one.
When is it exempt? After getting feedback from the City Attorney who said if just one of
those applies then it would not get reviewed for a pool permit. Mr. Coffey is right that if
it is less than 250 square feet, then it would not require a pool permit or if it is less than
24 inches in depth it would not require a pool permit.
Porter stated they had more of an issue with the above ground pools. The diameter for an
above ground pool would be 17½ feet which is a pretty good sized pool. If a permit is
not issued it could be placed right under a power line which would be a safety issue.
Hanson explained the new section 1248.02.08(b)(3) to the board. If it is determined by
the Fire Marshall or Fire Chief there is a bedroom window on the second floor or above
the pool wall shall be no closer than 10 feet from the principal structure. This would
need 10 feet in terms of placing a ladder of rescue to a second floor. If there is no
impact, the pool can be placed 5 foot from the principal structure.
Coffey stated the spelling of principal should be consistent throughout the document.
The actual April date will need to be put into the document.
Coffey questioned Section 1248.02.8(e) with regards to the 25 percent of its surface open
requirement and allowing privacy fences.
Porter added privacy fences are allowed in the ordinance but when you put a fence with a
pool it has to be 25 percent open faced. It is not consistent. She gave an example that
someone comes in to get a fence permit and a solid surface fence was allowed. Two
years later, they come back in to get a swimming pool permit. Is the City going to
require them to change out their fence because it doesn’t comply with the swimming pool
ordinance?
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There needs to be more research done to see if the building or state codes would require
the 25 percent open area. If nothing applies, the following should be removed: “It shall
have 25 percent of its surface open” and begin with “Any”.
REMINDER:
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING: Monday, March 21, 2016 at 7:00 p.m. at City Hall, City
Council Chambers, 118 Hillsboro Avenue.
Agenda
CITY OF EDWARDSVILLE
Plan Commission
ORDINANCE COMMITTEE
AGENDA
MEETING DATE: Monday, March 7, 2016
TIME: 6:00 P.M.
PLACE: City Hall Committee Meeting Room
I. CALL TO ORDER
II. STAFF PRESENTATION
III. DISCUSSION
A. An amendment to the Landscaping and Screening Ordinance
B. An amendment to the Scope of Regulations – Swimming Pools
IV. NEW BUSINESS
V. ADJOURNMENT