Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingGeneva, IL · September 17, 2013
Minutes
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES
109 James Street - Council Chambers
Geneva, Illinois 60134
September 17, 2013, 7:00 p.m.
1. Call to Order
Chairman Roy called the September 17, 2013 meeting of the Geneva Historic Preservation
Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. Roll call followed:
2. Roll Call
Present HPC: Chairman Roy, Commissioners Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-
Soderberg, Wehrmeister, Zinke
Staff Present: Preservation Planner Michael Lambert
Others Present: Keith Enad, 5776 N. Ridge; David Patzelt, 17 N. First Street, Geneva;
Brian Grisher, 17 N. First St., Geneva; Paul Nelson, 112 S. River, Geneva;
Zack Tentinger, 21 W. State St., Geneva; Sean Gallagher, 427 Anderson
Blvd., Geneva; Erin Gibbs, 2200 W. Cortez; and Recording Secretary
Celeste Weilandt
3. Approval of the August 20, 2013 Minutes
Changes to minutes: Per Andersson, Page 3, last paragraph, second line, delete the words
“it was a good opportunity to place the city’s stamp on this property” and insert the following words:
“that the historic district should not be a museum piece stuck in time and it should grow and
change within the context of the district’s sense of place. The property is an excellent opportunity
to reflect this and allow our time stamp to contribute to Geneva’s history.” Per Hiller, Page 4,
second full paragraph, delete the last sentence “Hiller reiterated that the Secretary of Interior
Standards addressed the preservation of trees” and insert the following, “Hiller stated, ‘In addition
to the Secretary of Interior Standards, the Secretary of Interior offers guidelines for implementing
the standards. We are not bound by the guidelines, as we are the standards, but, like the
standards, help provide a consistency to what we are doing.’” Excepts from the guidelines as they
refer to the site and setting followed by Hiller, noting both referred to trees and were within the
purview of the commission. Commissioner Hiller moved to approve the minutes, as
corrected. Seconded by Commissioner Ploppert. Motion carried by voice vote of 6-1.
(Commissioner Wehrmeister abstains.)
4. HPC Review of Building Permit Applications
A. 112 S. River Lane (Case 2013-068); Applicant: Paul Nelson; Application for
New Masonry Stoop to Replace Wood Stoop - Preservation Planner Lambert reviewed the plans
for a new stoop. He noted there was no porch indicated on the earliest Sandborn Map and could
only assume a set of stairs existed as Sandborn did not record stoops but only covered porches.
Three photos were presented. A masonry stoop is planned on a concrete block foundation with a
wrought iron railing but there was the question of whether or not the stoop would be anchored
directly to the sheathing and the siding cut around the masonry piers or whether they were stood
off slightly to preserve the historic siding and trim work. This was a permitted stoop as far as
construction techniques.
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Mr. Paul Nelson, 112 S. River Lane, Geneva, confirmed the proposal was as staff
presented. Prior to the current stoop, Mr. Nelson stated that from the maps he had, it was a
wooden stoop and the 1897 map did not reflect anything but he assumed it was wood prior. Per
questions, Mr. Nelson stated the entire existing stoop was wood and he was replacing it because
he did not want the stoop to rot again which was why he was replacing it with brick burgundy
masonry which matched the brick fireplace. In order to have an 8-inch surround of the wood,
Mr. Nelson explained he had to make the foundation larger. He also confirmed that the stoop’s
concrete foundation would be going up against the clapboard. Mr. Nelson explained the stone
would only go up two feet and would be exposed. Concern was raised by Commissioner
Andersson that a masonry stoop was going up on the front of the house and a false sense of
historicity would exist because it was never a masonry structure but it would look that way.
However, Mr. Nelson disagreed, as he had not removed any of the wood yet. He explained how
he would anchor the brick away from the house (preferred Option B).
Preservation Planner Lambert provided details of Option B but his preference was to have a
short section of railing. Chairman Roy felt otherwise regarding the false sense of historic
authenticity and believed there would be a more contemporary look to the stoop.
Per questions, Mr. Nelson explained that the riser will be brick and Indiana limestone while
the landing will be a burgundy paving brick. Commissioner Zinke voiced concern that the style was
not in keeping with the property or character of the neighborhood. However, Mr. Nelson pointed
out other concrete stoops that existed in his neighborhood. Per additional questions, Mr. Nelson
explained the piers would be 8” x 8” inch. Mr. Lambert clarified to Mr. Nelson that if the stoop was
anchored to the sheathing, the corner board would have to be altered to 11 inches. Other
comments included that the stoop would be a significant upgrade but water going into the house
was a concern for the building department to handle. Mr. Nelson offered to pitch the stone away
from the house in order to direct the water away and he would add flashing. Commissioner
Wehrmeister moved to recommend approval of the request, as presented, but giving the
petitioner the discretion to revise the pitch angle of the piers. Seconded by Commissioner
Schock-Soderberg. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Wehrmeister, Roy
Nay: Zinke MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 6-1
B. 217 N. Third Street (Case No. 2013-081); Applicant: Zack Tentinger/Tentinger
Landscapes; Application for Brick Paver Driveway to Replace Gravel - Preservation Planner
Lambert explained that the petitioner would like to replace a crushed gravel driveway with a very
traditional brick runner driveway using Chicago-style brick to match (two foot wide runners with a
three foot grass section in the middle).
Mr. Zack Tentinger, President of Tentinger Landscapes, confirmed a recycled brick runner
driveway would be created, with a middle turf-grass section, using a full standard gravel base
underneath. Commissioner Zinke moved to recommend approval of the request, as
presented. Commissioner Ploppert seconded the motion. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Wehrmeister, Zinke, Roy
Nay: None MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 7-0
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C. 21 W. State Street (Case No. 2013-080); Applicant: Zack Tentinger/Tentinger
Landscapes; Application for New Patio and Pergola - Mr. Zack Tentinger, with Tentinger
Landscapes, explained that he was creating a small rear patio area for the employees at the
location, which was immediately west of the Fox Fire restaurant dining patio. An untreated
pergola (to be treated and/or painted next year) would cover half of the new patio area with the
remaining area to be covered by standard concrete brick pavers. Design details followed,
including a low seating wall for patrons to sit. All areas around the patio would include plantings
and shrubs with the existing grass to be removed. Commissioner Andersson moved to
recommend approval of the petition, as presented. Seconded by Hiller. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Wehrmeister, Zinke, Roy
Nay: None MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 7-0
D. 321 N. Second Street (Case No. 2013-079); Applicant Terry Richards, Sean
Gallagher with Gallagher Associates; Application for New Residence on Vacant Lot -
Preservation Planner Lambert stated the project was an in-fill home on an empty lot. Two
elevation alternatives were presented -- Alternates A and B -- which were not included in the
commissioners’ packets.
Mr. Sean Gallagher, with Gallagher & Associates, Geneva, discussed the history of the site,
explaining that the original structure on the site was slid over to the north and now faced Stevens
Street and the lot was split into two sites leaving the available lot (R-4 zoning) open. As a result,
and with the assistance of city staff on the design, proposed was a new two-story home,
bungalow/cape cod design, that included a detached two-car wooden garage with a rear stairway
to the second floor. The garage door would be carriage-style and front and rear entry doors would
be provided. Materials included Hardiplank siding (smooth side out); the fascias and soffits to be
aluminum clad. The dormers would be Hardi-shingle (smooth). Regarding the columns, he asked
for input from the commissioners. Per Mr. Gallagher, the petitioner did like the Tuscan-tapered
column. Regarding the roof lines and the protrusions on the wings, Mr. Gallagher indicated the
petitioner preferred the shed configuration. Colors for the structures would be gray/jade with white
trim. Windows to be aluminum clad with grills between the glass in a 3 over 1 configuration.
Some of the commissioners liked the design because it echoed the duplex that existed
previously on the lot; others preferred the shed roof. Per Mr. Gallagher, the petitioner had no
preference and was open to suggestions. Regarding the driveway, Commissioner Wehrmeister
suggested staying away from the runner strips. As to the columns, Lambert indicated that he did
convey to Mr. Gallagher and the owner that whatever column was chosen it should be somewhat
massive in order to define and support the massive roof. Commissioner comments followed that
the house was well suited to the neighborhood, had nice massing, and it maintained the sense of
place and walkability. Commissioner Zinke suggested using a column with pleasing proportions.
Mr. Gallagher described the porch and stated that the proposed house (28 ft. tall) would be
slightly taller than the house to the north. He would work with city staff regarding the column
design and proportions. Commissioners preferred Elevation B. Commissioner Hiller moved to
accept the proposal, as presented, using the Option B elevation, Seconded by
Commissioner Ploppert. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Wehrmeister, Zinke, Roy
Nay: None MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 7-0
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E. 220 Campbell Street/207 S. Third Street (Case No. 2013-047); Applicant:
Chianti Restaurant; Application for Entry Door Relocation and New Stoop - Lambert reviewed
some photos of the Chianti Restaurant, recalling that the commissioners approved a paving/patio
concept earlier for this site but this specific proposal was for the front entryway, noting that the
owners wanted to replace an existing patio door with a regular swinging door with sidelights and
take the existing single door and replace it with the sliding glass door.
Mr. Dave Patzelt, with Shodeen, 17 N. First Street, Geneva, presented photographs of the
current swing entry door and the sliding doors that were being changed. His plan was to flip-flop
the doors so that the front door would be facing Third Street with the stoop in front of that door
while the slider (south elevation) would replace the current entry door. The doors would be reused,
if possible, versus replacing them with new doors. The door knob on the entry door would be
replaced with a handicap lever and the current exterior hinges would remain in the same location.
Andersson voiced concern about seeing the exterior pin hinges and security. Continuing, the
stoop would be poured cement. Currently there existed a concrete foundation next to the existing
stoop with a wood wrap on top of it but Mr. Patzelt stated it would be removed and the new
concrete would be poured up to the sill plate of where the current slider door existed.
Overall, commissioners had positive comments about the proposal. A short discussion
followed regarding the landscaping. Commissioner Wehrmeister moved to accept the
proposal with the condition that the door hardware be ADA-compliant. Seconded by
Commissioner Andersson. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Wehrmeister, Zinke, Roy
Nay: None MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 7-0
5. Secretary’s Report (Staff Update) - Preservation Planner Lambert recognized two
students from the School of the Art institute, Historic Preservation program. Regarding the brick
ribbon driveways, Lambert explained that the commissioners would probably be seeing a new
driveway plan for Nancy Luyten’s house located on Second Street as well as a new paving plan.
The window policy would be discussed next month because not all of the information was ready.
He explained that the dialog would encompass whether the commission wanted to keep the city’s
window policy the same or make it consistent with the National Park Service and Illinois Historic
Preservation Agency. Commissioner Andersson stated that if any academic papers existed which
discussed the changes to the window policy to direct her to them. As to a question on
landmarking, Lambert confirmed there would be a scheduled public hearing on October 15th and
that ordinance information would be included in the commissioners’ packet prior to the meeting.
An explanation of the hearing process followed.
An update followed on the property at 124 S. Second Street (Nancy Luyten’s property)
which now included a change to the concrete driveway (to runner strips) and to the sidewalks on
the site. Commissioners now felt that Ms. Luyten’s plans should return for commission review.
6. New Business
A. From the Commission - Per the chairman’s question, Lambert explained staff’s
rationale for bringing forward the two-ribbon driveway and pergola cases, i.e., there was a change
of material on a contributing property and it was based on the matrix that was recently created.
Mr. Sean Gallagher, Gallagher & Associates, Geneva, Illinois, came to the podium to state
that he believed Planner Lambert was knowledgeable and astute enough to bring certain projects
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forward to the commissioners. He reminded the commissioners that he only worked three times
per week.
Conversation was raised by some commissioners that the driveway and pergola cases
would have been fine if approved administratively, while others preferred seeing the cases come
forward. Chairman Roy felt that changing the materials of a driveway did not follow the intent of
the matrix and so he put the topic out there to continue the discussion. Lambert agreed this was a
good discussion since he said he was still learning and would want to hear the commissioners’
input on Nancy Luyten’s recent changes to her project, as it related to the driveway and sidewalks.
Dialog then moved to the topic of having Planner Lambert’s position returned to a full-time
position or that he be appointed more hours. However, Planner Lambert reminded the commission
that when he took the job he took it because it was a part-time position and he had other
commitments. He also expressed the challenges he ran into while trying to get projects to move
along, i.e., getting the information from the applicants to the commissioners in a timely matter and
their slow willingness to address historic preservation, etc. Further dialog followed that certain
projects, such as Preservation Month, took staff time away from commission work and that it was
coming down to a matter of whether a project was essential to staff’s position or whether staff, or
another organization, should take over such projects. On that note, Preservation Planner Lambert
indicated he would like the commissioners to reassess what their expectations were of him come
this November/December in order to plan for the next six or so months.
Asked if a special meeting could take place in two weeks for Nancy Luyten’s driveway
plans, so her project was not further delayed, Lambert reminded the commissioners he only had 24
hours a week in which to hold the meeting, which took away time from his office time. Suggestions
followed to hold a two- member administrative review, which the chairman concurred. Lambert
would review the ordinance on this matter.
Commissioner Zinke asked Mr. Gallagher about the status of 202 N. Third Street;
Commissioner Wehrmeister announced he was resigning from the commission effective as of this
date; and commissioners thanked him for his service and input on this commission.
B. From the Public: See Sean Gallagher’s comments above.
8. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m. on motion by Commissioner Ploppert, seconded
by Commissioner Andersson. Motion carried unanimously by voice vote.
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Agenda
Meeting Agenda
CITY OF GENEVA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
MEETING LOCATION &
HPC INFORMATION TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2013 MEETING
Location: 1. Call to Order
Geneva City Hall 2. Roll Call
Council Chambers
3. Approval of Meeting Minutes
109 James Street August 20, 2013
Geneva, IL 60134
4. HPC Review of Building Permit Applications
Time: A. 112 S. River Lane CASE 2013-068
7:00 p.m. Applicant: Paul Nelson
Application for: New masonry stoop to replace wood stoop
Commissioners: B. 217 N. Third Street CASE 2013-081
Applicant: Zack Tentinger / Tentinger Landscapes
Scott Roy, Chairman
Application for: Brick paver driveway to replace gravel
Nanette Andersson
Al Hiller C. 21 W. State Street CASE 2013-080
Applicant: Zack Tentinger / Tentinger Landscapes
Zachary Ploppert
Application for: New Patio and Pergola
Geri Schock-Soderberg
Kurt Wehrmeister D. 321 N. Second Street CASE 2013-079
Applicant: Terry Richards
Carolyn Zinke
Sean Gallagher / Gallagher Associates
Application for: Proposed New Residence on vacant lot
Staff Liaison:
E. 220 Campbell Street / 207 S. Third Street CASE 2013-047
Michael A. Lambert Applicant: Chianti Restaurant
Preservation Planner Shodeen Group
630/938.4541 Application for: Entry door relocation and new stoop
preservation@geneva.il.us 5. Secretary’s Report (Staff Update)
6. New Business
A. From the Commission
B. From the Public
7. Adjournment
Next meeting September 17, 2013
The Historic Preservation Commission meeting is audio-recorded and summary minutes are taken
by a recording secretary.
The City of Geneva complies with the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990.
Individuals with disabilities who plan to attend this meeting who require accommodations in order
to allow them to observe and or participate in this meeting are required to contact the Planning
Division at 630/232.0818 at least 48 hours in advance of the meeting to allow the City of Geneva to
make reasonable accommodations for those persons.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES
109 James Street - Council Chambers
Geneva, Illinois 60134
August 20, 2013, 7:00 p.m.
1. Call to Order
Chairman Roy called the August 20, 2013 meeting of the Geneva Historic Preservation
Commission to order at 7:05 p.m. Roll call followed:
2. Roll Call
Present HPC: Chairman Roy, Commissioners Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-
Soderberg, Zinke
Absent: Commissioner Wehrmeister
Staff Present: Preservation Planner Michael Lambert; Community Development Dir. Dick
Untch
Others Present: Nancy Luyten, 124, S. Second St., Geneva,IL (Patten House); Scott
McKee, 124 S. Second St., Geneva, IL (Patten House); Terry Adams with
Adams Design Group, Geneva, IL (Patten House); Roofing contractor
Gerry Klemm (Patten House); Consultant Mike Donahue, Geneva, IL;
Maurice McNally with Avondale Custom Homes, 1120 E. Main St.,
St. Charles; Resident Liz Safanda, 1013 Dunstan Rd., Geneva; Resident
Karine Luetgert, 109 S. River Lane, Geneva, IL; Resident Teresa Keenan,
1765 Southhampton, Geneva, IL; Alison King, 212 S. Fifth St., Geneva, IL;
Resident Glorianne Campbell, 18 S. Sixth St., Geneva, IL; Resident Lesley
Dimmick, 901 Lewis, Geneva, IL; David & Angel Warner, 425 S. First
Street, Geneva, IL; and Recording Secretary Celeste Weilandt.
3. Approval of the July 16, 2013 Minutes
Minutes were approved on motion by Commissioner Ploppert, seconded by Andersson.
Motion carried. Vote: 4-0-2 (Hiller and Zinke abstain)
4. HPC Review of Building Permit Applications
A. 124 S. Second St. (Case 2013-042); Applicant Nancy Luyten; Application for
Additional fascia and Internal Gutter/Cornice Repairs - Preservation Planner Lambert reported
this case was returning to the commission due to additional work resulting from newly discovered
rotting areas within the gutters, cornice, and soffit (north facade). A recent bee hive was discovered
and required the removal of additional fascia material. Also, the wood on the west facade of the
pool house was dry rotted and the applicant wanted to include the work in this request.
Applicant, Ms. Luyten and architect, Mr. Adams, were present. Ms. Luyten reported that
based on the advice of her roofer, Jerry Klem, she decided to do the gutters in a rubber lining
instead of the metal lining. A bee hive was also discovered, which required more removal of the
fascia. As a result, a mill worker will be milling the fascia identical to the original fascia. Mr. Adams
confirmed that as the work progressed he did find more rotting of the trim work which would be
replaced with the same kind of material and profiles. Ms. Luyten confirmed that she would be
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using an Avatron (phonetic spelling) epoxy material which would be applied to the corner gutters to
seal where they connected to the fascia. Any wood trim being replaced would be sealed on both
sides of the lumber. She reported the west facade of the pool house was dry rotted and the wood
siding would be replaced with red cedar with the same profile as the original.
Hiller raised concern that if the bees were the cause of the damage they might return and
cause the same issue again and that using a synthetic material could be an advantage. Lambert,
however, cautioned the commissioners that mixing a synthetic material with wood could be a
problem since the two materials expanded differently. Regarding the rubber lining, Mr. Adams
confirmed all gutters would be lined and he further confirmed how the lining would not be seen.
Mr. Klem, the roofer for the project, also confirmed that the gutter lining would not be visible and
would be adhered to the wood.
Ms. Luyten then asked if staff could provide an administrative review of the gutter lining and
dry rot as the project moved forward because she was not able to predict what other issues she
would encounter. Chairman Roy appreciated the applicant returning to the commission to discuss
the issues and recommended that Planner Lambert follow up administratively. Lambert also
reported that the current downspout system was not adequate and he envisioned there would be
additional downspouts on the building. He was bringing this to the commission’s attention.
Ms. Luyten said she wanted to make the spouts less conspicuous than what currently existed. Per
questions, Mr. Klem estimated he would install four-inch downspouts to match what currently
existed; however, Andersson suggested a larger diameter spout.
Commissioner Hiller moved to approve the request to work on the gutters, fascia and
the west side of the pool house, as presented, and that any further work be administratively
approved. Seconded by Zinke. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Zinke, Roy
Nay: None MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 6-0
B. 520 Campbell Street (Case No. 2013-076); Applicant: Mike Donahue with
Avondale Custom Homes; Application for Demolition of Non-Contributing Residence -
Preservation Planner Lambert recalled for the commissioners that this house was considered non-
contributing, as indicated in the city’s 1999 Survey and the commission was to consider the
demolition of the residence which was estimated to be constructed between 1950 and 1952. He
reminded the commissioners that in 1999 the structures being looked at were those that were built
from 1949 or earlier and the question was whether the structure attained any historic significance
since the 1999 Survey, and if so, how did the structure compare to other buildings of this
classification.
Land planning and zoning consultant, Mike Donahue, was before the commission
representing Mr. McNally of Avondale Custom Homes. He reported that Mr. McNally had a
contract to purchase the property from owners Allison King and Leslie Demick (phonetic spelling).
Photos of similar homes in the area followed with Mr. Donahue confirming that the home was a
non-contributing home in the historic district and nothing of significance occurred on the property or
at this home. Mr. Donahue proceeded to explain his plans to demolish the home and construct a
new homes in its place. However, he was still working with city staff regarding the existing zoning
on the block and the Tear Down and In-fill ordinance. Mr. Donahue expanded upon the
professional background of Mr. McNally and his custom home business and stated that
Mr. McNally was willing to work with city staff and the Historic Preservation Commission when a
new home was to be constructed.
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Zinke asked that Mr. Donahue explain the three lots that were staked and the reason why
this particular lot straddled Lots 4 and 5 on the plat, wherein Mr. Donahue summarized the history
of the area and the owners’ acquisition of the ranch home back in 1973. He explained the home
was maintained as a rental income property retained by the King family and now the owners
desired to sell the property. He also believed that anyone interested in the property would want to
raze the current home to construct a new home more in character with the historic district. As for
how many of the lots were buildable, Mr. Donahue stated those were issues that were being
addressed with the planning director and the city attorney. He stated tonight’s application was only
for the demolition.
Per the Chairman’s question, Mr. Donahue expected to present a building permit
application in the next month or two. Dir. Untch further acknowledged that as part of this
application process, it did not require the applicant to present future construction plans for the site.
Commissioner Hiller felt otherwise and did not recall approving demolition without seeing future
plans, wherein Mr. Donahue stated that the city ordinance did not require an applicant to present a
concept plan or new development plan as part of the permitting process. However, Hiller reiterated
the commission’s purview was to see how the new structure would fit into the neighborhood and
surrounding homes, since it was in the heart of the historic district. He preferred to see the plans
but Dir. Untch explained that, as part of the building permit process, he would be able to see those
plans in the future, and that, in the past, construction plans were provided to the commission as a
courtesy.
Mr. Donahue continued by pointing out that the lot was currently zoned R-3 and the only
structure that could be constructed on the lot was a single-family structure that conformed to the R-
3 zoning and that it had to meet the requirements of the city’s Tear Down and In-fill ordinance.
Should the lot remain vacant, it would be required to be maintained per code.
Concern was raised by Zinke that adding three new homes on the block would diminish the
value of the property and she hoped the applicant would return with less than three homes.
Wherein, Mr. Donahue reiterated that most of the block had three to four homes facing on each
block frontage and he would be continuing the land use pattern of the original town as it had
evolved since the 19th century. To address Zinke’s concerns, Mr. Donahue, however, cited more
recent examples of new construction within this historic district which met the current Tear Down
In-fill Ordinance. Addressing trees during the demolition process, Mr. Donahue stated a tree
survey was completed and affected no trees on the properties.
Dir. Untch acknowledged the concern about over-building but confirmed that zoning was in
place for the property and staff was working with the applicant regarding detailed aspects of the
subdivision and zoning regulation as they applied to the case before the commissioners. He
expected to work through the issues. Dir. Untch reiterated that the commissioners’ actions could
not override the zoning rights of an individual property. Additionally, the lots were platted as 60’ x
150’ feet which was the historic pattern in the district. Lastly, he noted that the city promoted in-fill
housing in this district and the applicant was providing a plan in harmony with the city’s
Comprehensive Plan. Dir. Untch stated that the applicant had a right to demolish the building.
Andersson concurred with staff and stated there were no distinct architectural details to the
home, no one famous lived there, etc., and she believed it was a good opportunity to place the
city’s stamp on this property. She encouraged the applicant to create a 21st century home
compatible with the surrounding area. Ploppert also believed the house, as it sat now, was
keeping the square block from contributing more to the historic district. Addressing the concerns
raised, Petitioner, Mr. McNally stated he was still working with the City to find the exact plat size he
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could work with. He did not want to take down any trees, of course, but indicated he may have to.
He did not believe the demolition itself would affect the trees.
Per another question about reducing the three lots down to two and whether the case
would come before this commission, Dir. Untch indicated it could depending upon the lot
configuration and what “trips” the subdivision plat review, but it was more of a Plan Commission
issue. Clarification followed on how the original three platted lots (lots 4, 5, & 6) were acquired
through the years and that 520 Campbell was sitting in the middle of lots 4 and 5.
Chairman Roy opened up the meeting to public comment:
Resident, Ms. Liz Safanda, 1013 Dunstan Road, did not oppose the demolition; however,
she asked that the city consider having a building permit pulled within 60-days so that a lot does
not sit vacant like the vacant lot at Cheever and Shady Lane. She voiced concern about the
preservation of trees during construction, noting that while trees may not come down during
demolition it does not mean that no trees will come down during construction. She also preferred to
see what was planned for the lots. Dir. Untch responded that tree preservation was not under the
purview of this commission. He walked through the history of the tree ordinance as it relates to
trees on private residential lots and for lots under the development review process, reminding the
commissioners about the property rights of owners to remove trees on their own private lots.
Details followed. Zinke raised concern about the city’s pre-settlement trees, which Dir. Untch
explained were no different than trees that fell under the tree preservation ordinance. Hiller
reiterated that the Secretary of Interior Standards addressed the preservation of trees.
Commissioner Andersson moved to approve the demolition request, as presented,
seconded by Ploppert. Roll call:
Aye: Andersson, Hiller, Ploppert, Schock-Soderberg, Zinke, Roy
Nay: None MOTION PASSED. VOTE: 6-0
5. Concept Review
A. 402 Franklin Street (Case No. 2013-061); Applicant: David and Angel Warner;
Concept Review of Partial Demolition and New Additions - Preservation Planner Lambert
stated there was a contract to purchase this home and the future owners, David and Angel Warner,
were seeking input from this commission regarding their plans. A historic synopsis of the home
and garage followed, along with historic photos. Per Lambert, the applicant would require a
variance for the west yard.
Applicant, Mr. David Warner, confirmed he was under contract to purchase as of yesterday
and was available to answer questions. Hiller recalled that this house was before the commission
a few years back but it was a very difficult house to work with. However, this proposal was a better
solution. Per questions about the driveway, Mr. Warner explained that the shared driveway would
be cut in half and the one half would be returned to his neighbor while his portion would return to
green space. Mr. Warner explained that his plan was to replace the “Brady Bunch” addition with a
two-car garage and return that square footage up to the second floor. He planned to have a
kitchen expansion offering better views. Eventually, Mr. Warner stated he would like to return the
home to its original character, since his wife located some historic photos of the home. Per some
questions, Mr. Warner stated his neighbor’s garage would actually be taller than his one-story
addition. Regarding tree preservation, Mr. Warner indicted he wanted to save the trees but he did
need proper access to his garage. (A chimney error was noted on the plans, wherein Mr. Warner
confirmed he was not removing the chimney.)
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Dir. Untch explained to the applicant that the Fourth Street frontage was the front yard and
was the lot line that was the shorter of the two. Therefore, the opposite yard was the rear yard and
would be subject to zoning board consideration and compliance with the four variation standards in
the zoning ordinance. Questions followed about the new driveway and providing enough space.
Overall, the commissioners were in support of the concept plan and looked forward to
seeing plans in the future.
6. Secretary’s Report (Staff Update)
Administrative Review Summary - Mr. Lambert reviewed comments from the
commissioners regarding his administrative review summary. As to awnings and signs, he pointed
out that the city’s sign regulations had been codified as part of the most recent sign ordinance
amendments and so he review is limited to certain items such as size, area, location, mounting and
lighting. The consensus for signs was that staff continue to do what the code states. Dir. Untch
explained, however, that there are occasions when there is a choice of the signage being on the
awning or on potions of the building. His experience has been that there has not been a strong
preference stated by the commissioners because it was very straight forward. Andersson
preferred seeing new stand-alone signs in new locations, signs attached to a building, and brand
new sign packages. Staff believed the new stand-alone/free standing signs needed to come
before this commission.
Regarding masonry cleaning and painting unpainted material, Lambert reported that
currently the city did not require a permit for masonry cleaning and painting of unpainted material.
He offered to discuss with the commissioners if they wanted to require a permit for this type of
work. Other communities handled this type of work as an administrative review and worked to
educate the owners, unless it was a chemical process. Some commissioners and Dir. Untch
agreed that this item was more of an educational process. Asked if there was some process to
prevent someone from painting a historic brick wall, for example, Lambert offered to look at other
communities to get some answers. Dir. Untch believed it would have to be an educational process
and also an enforcement issue. Lambert suggested it may be a matter of getting the historic
district updated and getting some information out to the home owners regarding the “do’s and
don’ts” for their historic property.
Regarding shutters, Lambert believed this was an educational process for owners and
since shutters were not structural, staff could not review them. As to window rehabilitation and due
to the variety of commissioner responses, Lambert and Dir. Untch believed window rehabilitation
should be an administrative review since window rehabilitation could cover many facets and the
fact that staff was constantly coaching applicants in the office on this matter. Dialog followed that
not all window projects could be tracked by staff, unless a permit was pulled. Commissioners
supported staff doing an administrative review for window repairs only.
As to a language change for windows replacements located in a rear public alleyway,
Lambert reported there were very few public alleyways and very few buildings affected by the
change. Most window replacements were for security purposes. Andersson preferred to see all
window replacements except for rear facade, non-contributing structures, which could be
administrative reviewed. She also preferred to see front facade window replacements on non-
contributing structures because those same non-contributing structures could have now become
potentially contributing. The majority of the commissioners were comfortable with staff completing
administrative reviews of all windows at rear facades along public alleyways.
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Turning to accessory buildings or structures greater than 100 square feet the
commissioners’ consensus was that they should be administratively reviewed. Andersson again,
voiced her concern about the gap in the historical age of a structure that may not have been
identified as contributing, potentially significant, or significant in 1999. Lambert reminded
commissioners that if he had questions on any “gray” areas, those cases would be brought before
the HPC. Per a question from Hiller, Lambert stated that staff supports a position that fences for
side and rear yards would be administratively reviewed while permanently-installed fences for front
and street yards would come before the commission. Andersson then asked to see all ramps and
lifts on contributing and non-contributing structures because she believed they affected
surrounding properties and she wanted to see how they would be finished. However, Lambert
explained he and Dir. Untch did discuss this matter and for those ramps or lifts located in the rear
or side rear areas, they were basically a function of the ramp because many of the lots were tight.
Other commissioners were fine with ramp administrative reviews for rear, non-contributing
buildings.
7. New Business
A. From the Commission - Dialog was raised regarding the update of the 1999 survey
and who would be charged with doing the work. Zinke offered to assist with the survey. Concern
was raised that some owners may not want to be re-surveyed wherein Lambert pointed out that
houses over 50 years old were automatically assumed to be potentially significant and it was
actually necessary to identify those structures that were non-contributing.
An update followed on the winners of the photo contest. Per Lambert, a presentation will
be coming to the city council.
B. From the Public: None
8. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 9:20 p.m. on motion by Zinke, seconded by Schock-
Soderberg. Motion carried unanimously by voice vote of 6-0.
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Community Development Department Report
CITY OF GENEVA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
AGENDA ITEM 4A 112 South River Lane
September 17, 2013
Permit Review: New Stoop
Applicant: BACKGROUND
Paul Nelson The wood-framed, gable-front house at 112 S. River Lane was built ca.
1885 as a workers’ cottage or home of an early Geneva industrialist. The
house has been identified in the 1999 Survey as a “Contributing”
property.
The earliest Sanborn Fire Insurance maps do not indicate that a porch
Request:
ever existed on the front façade of this property. Therefore, it is
Permit Review assumed that, historically, the house was accessed by ascending a
Construction of a New Stoop simple wooden stoop with a wooden handrail.
HPC Case Number: REQUEST
2013-068 The Applicant is seeking authorization to erect a brick and iron stoop to
replace the non-historic, preservative-treated lumber stoop that is
approximately 20 years old and deteriorating.
Staff Liaison:
The Applicant will build the new stoop at the outer edges of the historic
Michael Lambert
door surround, one of the defining elements of the façade.
Preservation Planner
630/938.4541 Preferably, the Applicant requests the approval to remove a small
preservation@geneva.il.us portion of the historic siding between the door and window as well as a
portion of the vertical trim at the north side of the door surround so that
the masonry piers can be attached directly to the house sheathing and
flashed for a water-tight installation. New wood siding and trim would
be fitted around the new piers.
Alternately, the Applicant would hold off the piers a few inches from the
historic siding and trim material and install a short section of the iron
railing between the historic façade of the residence and the first
masonry piers. The space would allow continued maintenance of the
wood siding.
Community Development Department Report
CITY OF GENEVA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
AGENDA ITEM 4B 217 North Third Street
September 17, 2013
Permit Review: New Driveway / Existing Walk
Applicant: BACKGROUND
Zack Tentinger The property at 217 N. Third Street is served by a gravel/crushed stone
Tentinger Landscapes driveway. As part of an overall master plan for site improvements, the
gravel driveway and existing walkway are to be reconstructed.
REQUEST
The Applicant is seeking authorization to reconstruct the existing brick
paver sidewalk and to replace the existing gravel/crushed stone
driveway with a historically-inspired driveway of brick drivestrips that
are separated by plant material.
Request:
Permit Review
New Driveway /
Reconstruction of Existing
Sidewalk
HPC Case Number:
2013-081
Staff Liaison:
Michael Lambert
Preservation Planner
630/938.4541
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AGENDA ITEM 4C 21 West State Street
September 17, 2013
Permit Review: Erection of a Patio and Pergola
Applicant: BACKGROUND
Zack Tentinger The property at 21 West State Street opens to a minimally-accessible
Tentinger Landscapes open space at the rear.
REQUEST
The Applicant proposes to construct a patio with a decorative pergola
for the use of commercial office workers employed on the property.
Request:
Permit Review
New Patio / Pergola
HPC Case Number:
2013-080
Staff Liaison:
Michael Lambert
Preservation Planner
630/938.4541
preservation@geneva.il.us
Community Development Department Report
CITY OF GENEVA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
AGENDA ITEM 4D 321 North Second Street
September 17, 2013
Permit Review: New Infill Residence
Applicant: BACKGROUND
Terry Richards The property at 321 North Second Street is a vacant lot created several
years ago when a residence was relocated.
Sean Gallagher – Gallagher REQUEST
Associates Architects The Applicant is seeking authorization to construct a new residence that
is complementary to the architecture of the surrounding neighborhood.
The Applicant has provided a primary front elevation for consideration
along with two alternative designs for the front façade.
The Applicant is furnishing the Drawings for all exterior elevations of the
residence and accessory garage. The Applicant has completed a Zoning
Request: Compatibility Worksheet that appears to support that the proposed
Permit Review residence meets all zoning requirements.
New Infill Residence
HPC Case Number:
2013-079
Staff Liaison:
Michael Lambert
Preservation Planner
630/938.4541
preservation@geneva.il.us
Community Development Department Report
CITY OF GENEVA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
AGENDA ITEM 4E 220 Campbell / 207 South Third Street
September 17, 2013
Permit Review: New Stoop and Entry Door
Applicant: BACKGROUND
Chianti Restaurant The property at 220 Campbell Street / 207 South Third Street is seeking
to complete exterior improvements related to a patio area that was
Shodeen Group approved by the HPC in June 2013.
REQUEST
The Applicant is seeking authorization to construct a new stoop to serve
an existing entrance and new patio area. Additionally, the Applicant is
requesting to relocate a door to the front of the building where a sliding
patio door is now installed.
Request:
Permit Review
New Stoop and Entry Door
HPC Case Number:
2013-047
Staff Liaison:
Michael Lambert
Preservation Planner
630/938.4541
preservation@geneva.il.us