Historic Preservation Commission - Regular Meeting
Regular MeetingGrand Rapids, MI · July 6, 2022
Minutes
Development Center
Historic Preservation Commission 1120 Monroe Ave NW
Meeting Full Grand Rapids, MI 49503
July 6, 2022 Public Hearing Room, 2nd Floor
I. Call to Order 5:00 p.m.
II. Roll Call
PRESENT: Dixon, Kindt, Gleisner, Rodriguez
ABSENT: Baldwin, Bruinsma, Wormer
Staff Present: Rhonda Baker and recording secretary Carol Gornowich
III. Approval of Minutes
1. Approval of Minutes from June 1, 2022
RESULT: ACCEPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Anna Kindt
SECONDER: Tim Gleisner
YEAS: Matthew Dixon, Anna Kindt, Tim Gleisner, Michael Rodriguez
ABSENT: Kerry Baldwin, Peter Bruinsma, Heather Van Wormer
IV. Staff Communication and Reports
Certificates of Appropriateness Issued by Staff
1. STAFF APPROVED COAS
STAFF ISSUED COA PERMITS
572 Madison SE 315 Hollister SE 573 College SE 800 Wealthy SE
438 College SE 322 Paris SE 146 Campbell NE 601 Union SE
226 College SE 555 Lyon NE 245 Paris SE 536 Paris SE
543 Pleasant SE 650 Cherry SE 60 Prospect NE 312 Crescent NE
538 Morris SE 557 Union SE 307 Paris SE 265 Paris SE
569 College SE 417 Lyon NE 305 Morris SE 300 Morris SE
931 Virginia SE 553 Paris SE 449 Prospect SE 38 Commerce SW
455 Cherry SE 550 Union SE
V. Old Business
VI. New Business
A. 553 UNION SE - HERITAGE HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT
553 UNION AVE SE - REQUEST TO CHANGE A REAR WINDOW TO A DOOR
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Ms. Baker presented the request to convert a rear window to a door. She explained that the house
in question was built approximately 1900. On the back is a small, post-1940 addition and 1995
and 1996 deck structures, which were approved by the HPC. The applicant is requesting to
convert the single window on the rear first floor into a door. They would maintain the head
height and width. The trim above would remain and the side trim would be replaced with new to
match existing, and drop the sill. The door proposed is solid wood, ¾ light, to be compatible with
the other doors on the house. The reason for the request is they have no access to the deck. It is
necessary to go out the south side of the house, up the driveway, and into the back yard to access
it. Ms. Baker is uncertain why access wasn’t included in 1995 and 1996. She noted that the
façade really has no symmetry, balance, or rhythm to the openings.
There was no applicant present.
Mr. Dixon invited public comment; there was none.
Ms. Kindt feels the proposal maintains as much of the historic fabric as possible. The height and
width will remain the same and they will reuse the existing trim to the extent possible. It is a
secondary façade and not visible from the street. The proposed door is also compatible. She
finds the proposed to be a minimal change. She would ask that the applicant retain the window
on site should someone want to put it back in the future.
Mr. Dixon agreed. He feels the request is very similar to a popular request they consider, which
is to adjust window height to accommodate kitchen counters. He understands it is changing a
window to a door but in actuality it is modifying the sill height of an existing opening to meet a
modern use of the structure. Ms. Baker’s point that there is no real symmetry or recognizable
rhythm of the windows on this secondary façade is a well-made point and one that allows the
Commission some flexibility.
Mr. DeMaagd-Rodriguez agreed with the comments offered. He feels the change is compatible
with the historic character of the property.
Mr. Gleisner agreed.
Mr. Dixon asked if Commissioners are comfortable with the style and material of the door. It is
clear that they’ve made an effort to try to replicate the existing door on the front of the house. It
is period appropriate and seems like the correct decision.
All Commissioners agreed.
Mr. DeMaagd-Rodriguez MOVED TO APPROVE with the issuance of a Certificate of
Appropriateness based on the local preservation guidelines and the Secretary of Interior
Standards 2, 9 and 10, with the stipulation that the existing window sashes be retained on
site. SUPPORTED by Ms. Kindt. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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RESULT: APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Michael Rodriguez
SECONDER: Anna Kindt
YEAS: Matthew Dixon, Anna Kindt, Tim Gleisner, Michael Rodriguez
ABSENT: Kerry Baldwin, Peter Bruinsma, Heather Van Wormer
B. 806 WEALTHY SE - WEALTHY STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT
806 WEALTHY SE - REQUEST FOR NEW STOREFRONT
Ms. Baker presented the request to renovate 800-806 Wealthy, which is a commercial structure.
The two-story portion dates to approximately 1900 and the single-story dates to between 1913
and 1930. The entire structure received new storefronts at some point after 1970. Ms. Baker
related that she has been working with the applicant for some time. They have received some
staff issued Certificates of Appropriateness for restoration on the sides and rear of the buildings
as well as a new storefront for the two-story portion. There is enough physical and pictorial
documentation to illustrate what the restoration needs to be. They will be doing the same on the
single story, although there is a deviation from a restoration; it is more of a renovation, which is
why the one-story portion is before the Commission.
Ms. Baker displayed historic photos to provide a sense of what will go into the two-story area. It
will be an anodized aluminum storefront system and they will match the proportions as closely
as possible. Ms. Baker displayed a historic photo of the single-story. What is illustrated, but not
easily visible in the photo, is a two pane storefront system with a panelized wood bulk head and
knee wall and a solid wood transom and mirrored on the other side. The center has a slightly
smaller transom and was the auto entry for the structure. The change they are proposing is the
center portion. They don’t have a new use at this point but it is anticipated that the new use will
not be auto related or need the auto entry. They will need a walkable man door. They are
proposing an anodized bronze aluminum storefront system with full light double doors,
surrounded essentially by transom and side lights. They want to bring it all the way to grade to
keep the differentiation between the other two sides so it is obvious it wasn’t a storefront and that
it was a full opening. The storefronts will be very similar to what staff approved for the other
part of the building, which is anodized aluminum matching the patterns and rhythm, matching
the solid transoms and the bulk heads. Ms. Baker added that anything remaining that is historic
will remain; the openings and masonry columns.
Mr. Dixon asked if the Commission’s decisions today are related only to the center storefront
bay on the single story portion.
Ms. Baker replied that the Commission would be approving the whole façade of the first story.
She didn’t want to segment them out.
Mr. Dixon asked if there is any other evidence or photos that show what was in the center
portion.
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Ms. Baker replied that the applicant has some evidence from the inside, but there isn’t a lot
remaining. However, if you lighten the historic photo and blow it up you can actually see some
of the details.
Nathan Willink was present on behalf of the request. He presented pictures to the Commission
using his phone to allow for them to be blown up somewhat. He also presented them with photos
of the interior to demonstrate some of the evidence they’ve discovered of original features.
Mr. Dixon referenced the photos in the packet as well as the photos Mr. Willink presented. He
noted that photos marked “before exploratory”, was when the building was beige and red. He
asked if those are the original wood doors that are shown in the packet.
Mr. Willink replied no. The status of it when it was beige and red is that it was a wood overhead
door and a man door. It was used as a service door for Economy Heating and Cooling. They had
it in somewhat of a non-compliant status. Mr. Willink explained that when they did the
exploratory demo they took down the overhead that wasn’t operable. They took it down trying to
figure out where they could get at the transom.
Mr. Dixon clarified that to the best of everyone’s knowledge the original wood doors are gone.
Mr. Willink agreed; they do not exist. They were accordion style with small divided lights. It
appears that those were removed in the ‘40’s. At this point they have retained the overhead door.
There was no one present for public comment.
Ms. Kindt referred to the local guidelines which state that new storefronts are to use either
historic documentation or a new design that is compatible. Although there is some historic
documentation, since it was an auto door some deviation from that could be expected with the
new design to make it ADA compliant and to provide a man door for the updated use, which
likely won’t be auto related. Ms. Kindt appreciates that they are maintaining the signage banner
and the transom on the top so that line is maintained. Ms. Kindt feels that some deviation, as
shown, remains compatible with the local guidelines.
Mr. Dixon also feels there is something to be said for the historic documentation they have being
a dark black and white photo with a car parked in front of the area in question, which doesn’t
allow for visibility of the architectural detail behind. Mr. Dixon stated that any effort to recreate
what was there would involve some speculation. He isn’t sure that a like for like replacement of
the original would be possible. Therefore, they are then directed to Standards 9 & 10, which
relates to whether what is proposed is compatible and whether it works with the building and
surrounding neighborhood. Mr. Dixon feels it does. It maintains all of the opening proportions
and maintains transparency. He is compelled by the argument that they want to make this
storefront slightly different and take it all the way to grade to help illustrate that it isn’t original
construction and not a conjectural element.
Mr. DeMaagd-Rodriguez and Mr. Gleisner agreed.
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Mr. Dixon pointed out that even though the only item in question really is the center bay, the
Commission is approving the entire façade of the first story. He noted that all of the existing
brick that is present will remain and the new storefront elements on the left and right of the
center bay appear to be as close of a match as possible to the originally documented windows.
Other Commissioners agreed.
Ms. Kindt MOVED TO APPROVE, as submitted, with the issuance of a Certificate of
Appropriateness, based on the local preservation guidelines and the Secretary of Interior
Standards 1, 2, 3, 6, 9 & 10. SUPPORTED by Mr. Gleisner. MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
RESULT: APPROVED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Anna Kindt
SECONDER: Tim Gleisner
YEAS: Matthew Dixon, Anna Kindt, Tim Gleisner, Michael Rodriguez
ABSENT: Kerry Baldwin, Peter Bruinsma, Heather Van Wormer
C. 701 WEALTHY SE - CHERRY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT
701 WEALTHY SE - REQUEST TO CHANGE SIDING ON NEW ADDITION AND
REMOVE SUN VISORS
RESULT: WITHDRAWN
VII. Public Hearing
VIII. Discussion
1. HARDSHIP PROCESS
ECONOMIC & TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP & ECONOMIC
FEASIBLE PLAN - PROCESS AMENDMENT
Ms. Baker recalled that she sent the document out to Commissioners inviting feedback and
didn’t receive any. Therefore, her understanding is there are no concerns about any of the
amendments to the economic and hardship plan. Following discussion, Ms. Baker would ask that
the Commission formally adopt the plan as an amendment to the previous plan that was
approved.
Ms. Baker recalled that after the first plan was approved it became clear at the last couple of
meetings that there was still some struggle with how to utilize these tools. Ms. Baker had further
discussions and reworked a few things with the City Attorney. Ms. Baker related that she is
much more comfortable with the newly amended version and hopes it is more definitive for the
Commission.
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Ms. Baker highlighted the significant changes. One thing that definitely changed is that you
don’t have to meet technical and economic infeasibility now; the Commission has to consider
both during deliberation and discussion. The actual project does not have to actually meet both.
Mr. Dixon referred to page 3 of the plan, mid-way down the page where there are two bullet
points that begin with the word Significantly. His reading of that, because of the word “and” at
the end of the first bullet point, is that they must demonstrate both.
Ms. Baker indicated she would remove the word “and” as it was likely a carry over. She
explained that the attorney was comfortable with that change and that the term within the
Ordinance means the Commission has to consider it but that it doesn’t have to meet both.
Ms. Baker explained that the other change was defining economic and technical feasibility vs.
undue financial hardship. They will both require that the applicant submit the same
documentation for review by the Commission. The difference is the outcome. For economic and
technical feasibility, it falls under the economic feasibility plan. The only way to get that
approved is through a Certificate of Appropriateness. The first question to consider is whether it
is necessary to do the work; is the feature beyond repair. If it is beyond repair, can it be repaired
or replaced in kind? If it cannot, the Commission is also allowed to look at it from a reasonable
manner, which is whether it meets the intent of the Secretary of Interior Standards and
guidelines. It wouldn’t be following strict adherence, which would be in kind replacement. This
opens the door to meeting intent. The intent still has to meet the guidelines and standards. Ms.
Baker provided the example of an asbestos sided house that is beyond repair. It is technically
infeasible to replace in kind. The Commission would then look at the replacement plan. Does it
meet the intent? If they are asking to cover the asbestos siding with vinyl siding, that likely
doesn’t meet the intent of the guidelines and Standards. If they are asking to replace it with fiber
cement that has a similar appearance, then that may meet the intent and the Commission would
issue a Certificate of Appropriateness citing the economic or technical infeasibility that was
discussed and note the preservation plan.
Ms. Baker explained further that undue financial hardship, because it falls under Criteria C, it
would be a Notice to Proceed because the Commission would be approving something that
doesn’t meet the Standards and guidelines. She has been told that as it is written it applies to
demolition and relocating a home only. It could be the demolition of a building, part of a
building, or demolition causing loss of a feature. The only time the Commission will be looking
at any request for a Notice to Proceed is if it aligns with one of the criteria under Notice to
Proceed.
Mr. Dixon asked about the language about an owner maintaining their ability to use the property
as intended, etc. and if it falls under the sub-heading of the demolition items.
Ms. Baker replied that what the applicant is required to submit for the Commission’s review to
make a determination are basically identical because it is really the same question. It is the result
that is different. In both instances the Commission is trying to determine if there is a financial
hardship. Economic and financial hardship really are the same thing.
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Mr. Dixon noted that what it doesn’t say in the economic infeasibility section that it says in the
other section is about whether they have tried selling the resource, etc.
Ms. Baker explained that that is specifically written into the Notice to Proceed, which is why it is
in that section and not the other.
Ms. Kindt recalled that they adopted the draft language previously. She asked how they deal with
applications they considered that might have been impacted by this change in language.
Ms. Baker didn’t feel there was any concern. In the one case, the ultimate decision came down to
the economics of it and had nothing to do with the technical feasibility of it.
Ms. Kindt referred to page 2 of the plan under the heading Historic Preservation Commission
Consideration and sub-heading Economic hardship. She pointed out that she believes a word is
missing in the final sentence, which states “This would extremely rare.” She suggested it should
read “This would be extremely rare.”
Mr. Dixon summarized that unless they are considering a demolition request then they are only
talking about feasibility.
Ms. Baker agreed. The only time it would be a Notice to Proceed consideration would be a
request to relocate a structure or a project that involves some sort of demolition.
Mr. DeMaagd-Rodriguez asked if the plan will be published on line.
Ms. Baker replied that it will be part of the by-laws and is public information. She explained
further that she will be updating and creating a new application form for technical and economic
infeasibility. There is already an application for demolition that would cover the Notice to
Proceed requests.
Mr. Dixon asked if there is a section in the guidelines about technical and economic infeasibility.
Ms. Baker replied that it is referenced but not thorough because they didn’t have anything she
felt comfortable putting in the guidelines. Her intention is to keep it in the application packet that
goes out to the applicant.
Mr. Gleisner MOVED TO ADOPT the Economic & Technical Feasibility, Undue Financial
Hardship, Economic Hardship and Economically Feasible Plans, with the minor
typographical changes as discussed. SUPPORTED by Mr. DeMaagd-Rodriguez. MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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RESULT: APPROVED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Tim Gleisner
SECONDER: Michael Rodriguez
YEAS: Matthew Dixon, Anna Kindt, Tim Gleisner, Michael Rodriguez
ABSENT: Kerry Baldwin, Peter Bruinsma, Heather Van Wormer
2. ILLEGAL DEMO PROCESS
Ms. Baker recalled that the Commission had asked her to look into the potential for more
significant repercussions for illegal demolitions. What she has found is there are roughly four
different responses:
Require restoration of the lost resource
Heavy Fine ($10,000 seems to be the highest)
Delay ability to build/freeze redevelopment
Combination of those above
Ms. Baker explained that most have found that a fine by itself is not sufficient to deter an illegal
demolition. Delay or freezing redevelopment has also been found to have questionable impact as
a deterrent. What most have found to be the best solution is to require a resource be
reconstructed. As the strongest solution and one that already exists within the GR HPC
Ordinance, staff recommends this route under Chapter 68, Section 5.395(12)
Mr. Dixon noted that they frequently see requests from applicants that say they didn’t know the
rules. If someone with limited income takes down a garage and they are cited for it, is there an
economic hardship process for them to go through retroactively?
Ms. Baker replied that it would be the same as any other violation. They would begin with a
Certificate of Appropriateness request which may turn into a Notice to Proceed where they
would have to prove financial hardship.
Ms. Kindt asked, when ordering a restoration, what if the resource was slightly dilapidated.
Ms. Baker replied that they could theoretically argue that in court. However, the assumption
would be that it is restored to the former functional condition.
Mr. DeMaagd-Rodriguez asked if there are any local examples of illegal demolition.
Ms. Baker replied that there have been two since she has been with the department.
IX. Public Comment None.
X. Adjourn 5:40 PM
Agenda
Development Center
Historic Preservation Commission 1120 Monroe Ave NW
Meeting Agenda Grand Rapids, MI 49503
July 6, 2022 Public Hearing Room, 2nd Floor
I. Call to Order 5:00 p.m.
II. Roll Call
III. Approval of Minutes
1. Approval of Minutes from June 1, 2022
IV. Staff Communication and Reports
Certificates of Appropriateness Issued by Staff
1. STAFF APPROVED COAS
STAFF ISSUED COA PERMITS
V. Old Business
VI. New Business
A. 553 UNION SE - HERITAGE HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT
553 UNION AVE SE - REQUEST TO CHANGE A REAR WINDOW TO A DOOR
B. 806 WEALTHY SE - WEALTHY STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT
806 WEALTHY SE - REQUEST FOR NEW STOREFRONT
C. 701 WEALTHY SE - CHERRY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICTWithdrawn from Agenda
701 WEALTHY SE - REQUEST TO CHANGE SIDING ON NEW ADDITION AND
REMOVE SUN VISORS
VII. Public Hearing
VIII. Discussion
1. ILLEGAL DEMO PROCESS
ILLEGAL DEMO PROCESS
2. HARDSHIP PROCESS
ECONOMIC & TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP & ECONOMIC
FEASIBLE PLAN - PROCESS AMENDMENT
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IX. Public Comment
X. Adjourn