Planning Commission Committee of the Whole
Regular MeetingJuneau, AK · March 14, 2023
Minutes
Agenda
Planning Commission
Committee of the Whole
CITY AND BOROUGH OF JUNEAU
Mandy Cole, Chair
March 14, 2023
I. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT – Read by Commissioner Arndt.
We would like to acknowledge that the City and Borough of Juneau is on Tlingit land, and wish
to honor the indigenous people of this land. For more than ten thousand years, Alaska Native
people have been and continue to be integral to the well‐being of our community. We are
grateful to be in this place, a part of this community, and to honor the culture, traditions, and
resilience of the Tlingit people. Gunalchéesh!
II. ROLL CALL
Mandy Cole, Chair, called the Title 49 Committee of the Whole Meeting of the City and
Borough of Juneau (CBJ) Planning Commission (PC), held in Assembly Chambers of the
Municipal Building, virtually via Zoom Webinar, and telephonically, to order at 5:34 p.m.
Commissioners present: Commissioners present in Chambers – Mandy Cole; Travis Arndt;
Matthew Bell; Erik Pedersen; Paul Voelckers; Adam Brown; David
Epstein
Commissioners present via video conferencing – None
Commissioners absent: Michael LeVine; Nina Keller
Staff present: Jill Maclean, CDD Director; Teri Camery, Senior Planner; Ilsa Lund,
CDD Administrative Assistant; Sherri Layne, Law Assistant
Municipal Attorney
Staff present via video conferencing – Lily Hagerup, CDD
Administrative Assistant;
Assembly members: None
III. REQUEST FOR AGENDA CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA – Agenda was approved
by unanimous consent.
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IV. ITEMS FOR RECONSIDERATION ‐ None
V. REGULAR AGENDA
AME2021 0008: Avalanche & Landslide Hazard Maps Draft Ordinance
STAFF PRESENTATION – Director Maclean gave a brief overview explaining the main points of the draft
Ordinance and the development of the maps from Tetra Tech.
COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION
Mr. Voelckers understood the 1987 maps are based on a 1972 analysis and asked how those apply to
the Tetra Tech study. Ms. Maclean explained Tetra Tech used all information and past studies available.
The 1987 maps combined avalanche areas with landslide areas into a single presentation. The Tetra
Tech study split those out. As a result, the avalanche zones were not significantly changed.
Mr. Epstein noted the proposed ordinance focuses only on high‐risk zones and asked if it has no bearing
on the moderate and low‐risk zones. He asked what would be subject to regulation if this ordinance is
adopted. Ms. Maclean answered the ordinance would include anything deemed to be high risk by the
Tetra Tech reports.
Mr. Arndt asked if this would clear up the proposed downtown area projects with a Conditional Use
Permit (CUP). Ms. Maclean said the new maps make the risk areas clearer and the new code will clarify
what counts as development and what does not. This helps to solve the problem encountered
previously with distinction of commercial and residential zoning.
Ms. Cole asked for clarification whether this will make clear the difference between occupancy and
density. Density is dwellings per acre and occupancy relates to how many people can be in a building per
fire code. Ms. Maclean said it was not clear before but this does clarify that.
Mr. Voelckers asked for an explanation of the phrase “and do not count towards density” on page 2/5
line 12 and on page 4/5 line 4. Ms. Maclean explained it is to say an accessory unit, whether attached or
detached, is considered development greater than a single family home and would not be permissible.
The accessory unit would not count towards density. She explained part of the reasoning for this is that,
while property owners could reasonably be expected to know their property was in a severe hazard
zone, renters might not know that. She did not want renters put into a potentially dangerous situation
without being informed.
Mr. Pedersen asked how the requirement that landlords inform renters if their unit is in a severe zone
would be enforced. Ms. Maclean agreed it would not be easily enforceable but hopefully it being in code
would help remind them to inform tenants.
Mr. Epstein felt there is a duty to inform and this phrase is in support of public safety.
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Mr. Arndt thought it is a great idea that we tell everybody, but is concerned if the ordinance is “SHALL”
then the CBJ may be held responsible if it is not enforced. Ms. Maclean suggested changing “shall” to
“should.” Ms. Layne said the enforcement would be complaint based. If someone filed a complaint, then
the CBJ would enforce. She was also comfortable with changing it to should.
Mr. Brown asked, if the PC is adding a requirement to inform renters, then why would accessory
apartments be restricted? Ms. Maclean said it would apply to existing accessory apartments but would
not allow new ones.
Mr. Voelckers referenced the 2015 slide in Sitka and asked if the department had looked into that and
whether that informed the proposed ordinance. Ms. Maclean explained Sitka has struggled to come to a
balance between property owners’ rights and regulations for safety.
Mr. Arndt said there is a housing crisis but high‐risk areas are not where we should be adding more
units.
Mr. Voelckers referred to the limitations listed in the Tetra Tech study. The study recommended seeking
further assessments of risk, magnitude, and frequency of events. Mr. Voelckers found the comparison of
the old and new hazard maps informative but thought there should be a focused study on the areas
deemed severe hazard areas. Ms. Maclean explained that there was not an intention for a more in‐
depth study. This was primarily due to cost and funding issues. This study was intended to inform the
department and the PC.
Mr. Bell felt it is too difficult to gauge when there is no actual landslide data.
Ms. Cole asked how this applies to properties that are partially within a severe zone. It was determined
that if any portion of a property is in a severe zone, then the entire property is.
Mr. Arndt asked about the status of funding for additional studies like Mr. Voelckers suggested.
Ms. Maclean is not aware of additional funding and there is not any in the current year budget
to support more studies.
Mr. Voelckers suggested criteria could be established that could be used to mitigate risks. He
suggested possibly adding language regarding design or engineering that could lower risks to a
property. Ms. Maclean pointed out that page 4/5 includes language informing owners how to
prove their way out of a severe hazard zone.
Ms. Cole pointed out number 3 under B on page 2/5 does not allow subdivision on any lot lacking
sufficient buildable site outside a severe avalanche area without the need for a variance and
asked why there was a method for asking for a variance when she understood the point of the
ordinance was to not ask for variances. Ms. Maclean said the point she was trying to make is a
property owner cannot subdivide if it requires a variance. She agreed to work with Ms. Layne on
the wording.
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Mr. Arndt suggested striking the phrase ‘licensed geotechnical engineer’ and replacing it with
‘civil engineer’ on pages 2/5 and 3/5.
As a recap of unresolved questions to be discussed, Ms. Cole proposed:
1. If the verbiage is kept as ‘landlord shall inform renters’ in the severe avalanche zone, then
should the addition of accessory apartments be allowed?
2. Are we comfortable with the distinction between severe avalanche and severe landslide?
Ms. Maclean explained in a severe avalanche zone a single‐family dwelling can be constructed.
An accessory apartment would require a conditional use permit. Accessory apartments would
not be allowed in severe landslide areas.
Mr. Voelckers cited the City Manager’s letters to the assembly which pointed out the landslide
zones along Franklin have not produced slides. It seemed most of the historical slides resulted
from vibrations related to mining. In the time since mining has stopped, there have been no
significant issues. Based on this, it could be inferred that landslide risk along South Franklin may
be mitigatable. Ms. Maclean had no opinion on this and suggested if there need to be changes,
this is the time to take those into consideration.
Mr. Arndt asked for there to be clarification included to address changes between occupancy and
density to avoid the confusion that prompted the Glory Hall case.
Mr. Voelckers suggested a verbiage change at the bottom of page 2 and top of page 3 as follows:
rewrite the sentence ending “the proposed development is outside the proposed avalanche area
the department shall proceed accordingly” with “If in the opinion of the Director of Engineering
and Public Works, the studies clearly establish that the map boundaries are inaccurate, the
hazard maps are edited and adjusted accordingly.” Ms. Maclean said she would need to confirm
with Law that they have the authority to adjust the Tetra Tech maps as they have been adopted.
Recommendation
Ms. Cole suggested to Ms. Maclean that they come back with a new draft to bring before the
COW.
VI. STAFF REPORTS ‐ None
VII. SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS
Additional Materials for AME2021 0008
VIII. ADJOURNMENT – 6:46 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by Kathleen Jorgensen Business Assists (907)723‐6134
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Agenda
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE OF
THE WHOLE AGENDA
March 14, 2023 at 5:30 PM
Assembly Chambers/Zoom Webinar
https://juneau.zoom.us/j/83644882057 Webinar ID: 836 4488 2057
A. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
B. ROLL CALL
C. REQUEST FOR AGENDA CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA
D. ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION
E. REGULAR AGENDA
1. AME2021 0008: Avalanche & Landslide Hazard Maps Draft Ordinance
F. STAFF REPORTS
G. SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS
2. Additional Materials for AME2021 0008.
H. ADJOURNMENT
ADA accommodations available upon request: Please contact the Clerk's office 36 hours prior to any meeting so
arrangements can be made for closed captioning or sign language interpreter services depending on the meeting
format. The Clerk's office telephone number is 586-5278, TDD 586-5351, e-mail: city.clerk@juneau.org.
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PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE OF
THE WHOLE AGENDA
March 14, 2023 at 5:30 PM
Assembly Chambers/Zoom Webinar
https://juneau.zoom.us/j/83644882057 Webinar ID: 836 4488 2057
A. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
B. ROLL CALL
C. REQUEST FOR AGENDA CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA
D. ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION
E. REGULAR AGENDA
1. AME2021 0008: Avalanche & Landslide Hazard Maps Draft Ordinance
F. STAFF REPORTS
G. SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS
2. Additional Materials for AME2021 0008.
H. ADJOURNMENT
ADA accommodations available upon request: Please contact the Clerk's office 36 hours prior to any meeting so
arrangements can be made for closed captioning or sign language interpreter services depending on the meeting
format. The Clerk's office telephone number is 586-5278, TDD 586-5351, e-mail: city.clerk@juneau.org.
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Section E, Item 1.
March 6, 2023
MEMO
To: Mandy Cole, Chair Planning Commission Committee of the Whole
CC: Rorie Watt, City Manager
From: Jill Maclean, Director, AICP
RE: Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Maps and Draft Ordinance
Background
The Planning Commission Committee of the Whole (COW) has been asked to review and provide guidance on
draft ordinance language and a set of avalanche and landslide area maps that would replace the adopted 1987
maps for downtown Juneau that were created in the 1970’s.
The public process leading to this draft ordinance and maps has been extensive. In 2018, CBJ received a FEMA
grant to hire a contractor, Tetra Tech, Inc. to conduct a hazard assessment that included technical memos and
the creation of new maps. Throughout the assessment, public outreach, public comment, and numerous
discussions have been held at Planning Commission and Assembly meetings. This information is available on
the CDD Landslide and Avalanche Assessment webpage.
Included in your packet is a memo from the most recent Assembly meeting on the topic at the November 7,
2022 Assembly Committee of the Whole Meeting.
Recommendation
Staff recommends the COW make a motion to forward the Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area
Maps and draft Ordinance to the full Planning Commission for a public hearing to take public testimony
and make a recommendation to the Assembly.
Attachments
Attachment A Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Draft Ordinance
Attachment B Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Maps
Attachment C City Manager Hazard Mapping Memo November 2022
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Section E, Item 1.
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2 Presented by: The Manager
Presented: 2023
3 Drafted by:
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5 ORDINANCE OF THE CITY AND BOROUGH OF JUNEAU, ALASKA
6 Serial No. 2023 XX
7 An Ordinance Amending the code related to avalanche and landslide areas
and replacing the avalanche and landslide areas maps
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WHEREAS , and… Commented [JM1]: To be added at time of finalizing draft
I 9 r ordinance
10 Reminder to check “and” and “or” throughout before final draft
11 BE I T ENACTED BY THE ASSEMBLY OF THE C ITY AND BOROUGH OF JUNEAU , ALASKA:
12 Section 1. Classification. This ordinance is of a general and permanent nature and
13 shall become a part of the City and Borough of Juneau Municipal Code.
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Section 2. Amendment of Section. CBJC49.70.300 Avalanche and landslide areas is
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amended to read:
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17 (a) Generally.
18 (1) Development in mapped avalanche and landslide areas shall minimize the risk of loss of
19 life or property due to landslides and avalanches.
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(2) Boundaries of severe avalanche areas will be as shown on the avalanche area maps
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dated April 27, 2022, as the same may be amended from time to time by the assembly by Commented [JM2]: Confirm date p rior to final ordinance if
revised
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ordinance.
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24 (3) Boundaries of severe landslide areas will be as shown on the landslide area map dated
25 April 27, 2022, as the same may be amended from time to time by the assembly by Commented [JM3]: Confirm date p rior to final ordinance if
revised
ordinance.
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Attachment A- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Draft Ordinance
Section E, Item 1.
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2 (b) Severe avalanche areas
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(1) Notwithstanding any other provision, subdivision other than a boundary line relocation ,
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a lot line adjustment, or a lot consolidation, or development greater than a single-family
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dwelling within severe avalanche areas shall require a conditional use permit.
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7 (2) Notwithstanding any other provision, development greater than a single-family
8 dwelling, within the severe avalanche areas shall require a conditional use permit with
9 site specific engineering for the following: peak drainage, special foundation or high back
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wall engineering, and debris flow diversion mechanisms. Attached and detached
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accessory dwelling units are considered development greater than a single-family
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dwelling, and do not count toward density.
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14 (3) No subdivision shall be approved that creates a lot lacking a sufficient buildable site
15 outside a severe avalanche area without the need for a variance, unless it is a platted as
16 a Public Use Lot (49.15.422).
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(3) Owners shall provide written notice to potential buyers or renters that the property is
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located in a severe avalanche area prior to sale or rental of the property.
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20 (4) If a developer disagrees with the boundaries shown on the severe avalanche map, the
21 developer may seek departmental relocation of the boundaries by submitting site specific
22 study prepared by a civil engineer licensed in the State of Alaska or a licensed
23 geotechnical engineer. Such studies shall include detailed analyses of topography, Commented [JM4]: Do we want to add “with current errors and
omissions liability insurance”
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vegetation, potential snow accumulation, and other factors. The results should indicate Likely approx. $1M ; if y es, contact CBJ Risk Mngt - standard policy
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actual hazard area boundaries and potential debris flow direction, time, distance and
mass. If, in the opinion of the Director of Engineering & Public Works, the studies
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Attachment A- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Draft Ordinance
Section E, Item 1.
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2 clearly establish that the map boundaries are inaccurate and the proposed development
3 is outside a severe avalanche area, the department shall proceed accordingly.
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(5) The commission may require mitigating measures certified as effective by a civil
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engineer licensed in the State of Alaska or a licensed geotechnical engineer for
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development in severe avalanche areas. Such measures may include dissipating
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8 structures or dams, special structural engineering, or other techniques designed for the
9 site. Mitigating measures may also include reduction in the proposed density, occupancy,
10 or development.
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(c) Severe landslide areas.
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(1) Notwithstanding any other provision, no subdivision other than a boundary line
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14 relocation, a lot line adjustment, or a lot consolidation, shall be approved in a severe
15 landslide area. Applications for all other subdivision types shall not be accepted for filing
16 or shall be rejected by the director.
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(2) Notwithstanding any other provision, no development or any part of a development,
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which is within a severe landslide areas shall, by the addition of bedrooms or accessory
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dwelling units, conversions of buildings, or otherwise increase the density of the lot or
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occupancy of the building; provided, that a single-family dwelling may be constructed on
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22 a vacant lot. Accessory dwelling units are not permissible on a lot in a severe landslide
23 area.
24 (3) Notwithstanding any other provision, development greater than a single-family dwelling
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within the severe landslide areas shall require a conditional use permit with site specific
engineering for the following: peak drainage, special foundation or high back wall
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Attachment A- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Draft Ordinance
Section E, Item 1.
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2 engineering, and debris flow diversion mechanisms. Attached and detached accessory
3 dwelling units are considered development greater than a single-family dwelling, and do
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not count toward density.
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(4) Owners and developers shall provide written notice to potential buyers or renters that
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the property is located in a severe landslide area.
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8 (d) Warning and disclaimer of liability. Avalanches and landslides may occur outside hazard
9 areas in excess of engineering expectations. The location and severity of the event may be
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increased by manmade or natural causes. This article does not imply that land outside of
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designated hazard areas, or uses permitted within such areas, will be free from danger or
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damage. This article shall not create liability on the part of the City and Borough of Juneau
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or any officer or employee thereof for any damages that result from reliance of this article or
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any administrative decision lawfully made under this article.
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16 Section 4. Amendment of Section. CBJC 19.04.R301.9 Geophysical hazards is
17 amended to read:
18 "301.9 Geophysical hazards. In Moderate and Severe geophysical hazard zones as
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shown in "Geophysical Hazards Investigation, Juneau, Alaska" dated 10/72 and on the
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“Severe Avalanche and Landslide Area Maps", both adopted by ordinance serial no. 87-49,
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adopted _______ 2023 or when the building official determines that development is
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proposed in an area similar in nature to those studied in the above referenced documents, and
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is located outside of the study area, an engineered structural analysis shall be submitted with
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25 the permit application. The building official may waive this requirement upon presentation of
more specific studies stamped by a civil engineer licensed in the State of Alaska or a licensed
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Attachment A- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Draft Ordinance
Section E, Item 1.
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2 geotechnical engineer showing the proposed site is not likely to be affected by geophysical
3 hazards."
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Section 5. Amendment of Section. Hillside Development CBJ 49.70.210(a)(4) is
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amended to read:
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Any hazard area identified on the avalanche and landslide area maps dated September
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9, 1987, April 27, 2022 consisting of sheets 1—8, as the same may be amended from time to Commented [JM5]: Confirm date p rior to final draft
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time by the assembly by ordinance or any other areas determined to be susceptible to
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10 geophysical hazards.
11 Section 6. Effective Date. This ordinance shall be effective 30 days after its adoption.
12 Adopted this ________ day of _______________________, 2023.
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Beth A. Weldon, Mayor
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Attest:
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Elizabeth J. McEwen, Municipal Clerk
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Attachment A- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Draft Ordinance
Comparison of 1987 Adopted Severe Hazard Zones
Section E, Item 1.
& 2022 Tetra Tech Severe Avalanche Zones
with Buildings Shown
This map shows an overlay of the 1987 CBJ adopted severe hazard zones and the
2022 Tetra Tech Study severe avalanche zones only.
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Attachment B- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Maps
Map 3: Severe avalanche with buildings
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Comparison of 1987 Adopted Severe Hazard Zones
Section E, Item 1.
& 2022 Tetra Tech Severe Landslide Zones
with Buildings Shown
This map shows an overlay of the 1987 CBJ adopted severe hazard zones and the
2022 Tetra Tech Study severe landslide zones only.
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Attachment B- Severe Avalanche and Severe Landslide Area Maps
Section E, Item 1.
CITY AND BOROUGH OF ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
NEAU
ALASKA 'S CAPITAL CITY
AGENDA
November 07, 2022 at 6:00 PM
Assembly Chambers/Zoom Webinar/YouTube Livestream
Assembly Committee of the Whole Worksession (No Public Testimony Taken)
Immediately following the Special Assembly Meeting 2022-25
https://juneau.zoom.us/j/95424544691 or call 1-253-215-8782 Webinar ID: 954 2454 4691
A. CALL TO ORDER
B. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
C. ROLL CALL
D. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
E. AGENDA TOPICS
1. Huna Totem Subport Dock Update
2. Ordinance 2022-21 An Ordinance Related to Property Tax Appeals and Codifying the Board of
Equalization Rules of Procedure.
This ordinance would amend the Juneau Board of Equalization’s rules of procedure, which govern
property tax appeals. The substance of this ordinance comes from three sources: the Anchorage Board
of Equalization rules, the existing Juneau Board of Equalization rules, and changes to state law since the
existing Juneau property tax appeal code was adopted in the 1970s.
The Juneau Board of Equalization reviewed this ordinance on September 20, 2022. The Assembly
Committee of the Whole reviewed this ordinance on September 26, 2022.
3. Hazard Mapping
4. Parks and Recreation Board Consolidation
F. STAFF REPORTS
G. SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS
5. RED FOLDER: Huna Totem Presentation - Additional Slide #21
6. RED FOLDER-November 4, 2022 Juneau Chamber of Commerce Letter re: Board of Equalization Rules
7. RED FOLDER: Additional Slides Hazard Mapping
H. ADJOURNMENT
ADA accommodations available upon request: Please contact the Clerk's office 36 hours prior to any meeting so
arrangements can be made for closed captioning or sign language interpreter services depending on the meeting
format. The Clerk's office telephone number is 586-5278, TDD 586-5351, e-mail: city.clerk@juneau.org.
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Attachment C- City Manager Hazard Mapping Memo November 2022
Section E, Item 1.
*JUNEAU
Section E, Item 3.
CITY AND BOROUGH O F Engineering and Public Works Department
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: 586-0800 Facsimile: 586- 4565
MEMORANDUM
DATE: November 4, 2022
TO: Deputy Mayor Gladziszewski
FROM: Katie Koester, Engineering and Public Works Director
SUBJECT: Gastineau Avenue Event Summary
The purpose of this memo is to provide the Assembly with a summary of the response to the Gastineau
Avenue event on September 26, 2022, including context on the nature of the event and contributing
factors. The memo and associated images were compiled from the field observations, notes, and
narratives of Mitch McDonald, Engineering Geologist with Alaska Department of Transportation and
Public Facilities, Mort Larsen with Landslide Hazards Program Manager with the Division of Geological
and Geophysical Surveys, Richard Cartesen with University of Alaska and Aaron Brakel with Southeast
Alaska Conservation Council. Immense gratitude for their personal and professional contributions.
Event Response
9.26.22: At 6:10PM on Monday, September 26th a channelized landslide consisting predominantly of
tree debris on Gastineau Avenue damaged three homes, took out power to downtown Juneau and cut
off road access. Capital City Fire and Rescue (CCFR) responded, evacuating homes in the immediate
area. Engineering and Public Works Streets responded and blocked off the street. Due to poor lighting
and heavy rain, site safety could not be adequately addressed that evening. CBJ did not stand up a
shelter, but did provide sheltering for impacted property owners at a downtown hotel.
9.27.22: CBJ was fortunate to have the assistance of state geologists to assess the site the following
morning. Together with CCFR staff and Juneau Mountain Rescue, they assessed the slide and identified
several hazard trees that had to be removed upslope before crews could safely begin working in the
area. CBJ contracted with Admiralty Construction to remove debris on Gastineau Ave. with oversight
from CBJ Streets and Engineering to ensure the structural stability of the debris pile as pieces were
removed.
9.28.22: Debris was cleared from the CBJ right-of-way and Gastineau Avenue was opened back up to
traffic.
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Attachment C- City Manager Hazard Mapping Memo November 2022
Section E, Item 1.
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Drone footage from Pat
Dryer, ADOT
Nature of the Event
Geologists have identified this event as a shallow channelized landslide that scoured down to bedrock.
This slide originated at approximately 600 feet and traveled down the mountainside, leaving a roughly
30 foot wide U-shaped channel that scoured relatively shallow surface soils until water exposed the
underlying bedrock channel. It is not known if the slide was initiated by a tree toppling in the high gale
force winds or if water erosion initiated the event by undercutting root systems.
While the debris pile at the toe of the slope consisted of some saturated silty soil and bedrock
fragments, large woody debris (alder and spruce) was the dominant feature. Out of the 15 truckloads of
woody debris hauled from the area to clear Gastineau Ave., there was soil debris reported in only one of
the truckloads. The water flowing through the debris pile had very low turbidity, suggesting very little
soil was associated with the event. Damage to the structures (3) and vehicles (2) appears to have been
caused by a single large spruce tree, 3-4 feet in diameter. Observations from Discovery Southeast date
this tree to 1770.
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Attachment C- City Manager Hazard Mapping Memo November 2022
Section E, Item 1.
Section E, Item 3.
Contributing Factors
The terrain in this area is extremely steep with a thin layer of soil and organic materials over the
bedrock. This creates a shallow root system for the alder and spruce trees that dominate the slope. By
September 26, 2022, Juneau had experienced just shy of twice the average September rainfall
(According to the Juneau Airport weather station, average rainfall in September is 6.7 inches and rainfall
on 9.26.22 had already reached 11.61 inches.). Notably, rainfall had been particularly intense over the
six days preceding the event. In addition to the rainfall that contributed to this event, Juneau has been
experiencing an increasing amount of heavy rainfall over the past several decades. The scatterplot
below tracks the number of days per year, since 1944, where we have seen more than 1 inch of rain at
the Juneau Airport. A clear upward trend is noted. A rapid shift in the direction of the wind recorded at
the Mount Roberts Tram Terminal weather station could have also contributed to the event.
Photo Credit: Richard
Carstensen, University
of Alaska and Discovery
Southeast and Aaron
Brakel, Southeast
Alaska Conservation
Council
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Attachment C- City Manager Hazard Mapping Memo November 2022
Section E, Item 1.
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Graphic and data credit: Juneau National Weather Service, NOAA
Graphic from Community Development Department
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*JUNEAU CITY AND BOROUGH OF
ALASKA'S CAPITAL CITY
City and Borough of Juneau
City & Borough Manager’s Office
155 South Seward Street
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Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: 586-5240| Facsimile: 586-5385
TO: Deputy Mayor Gladziszewski and Assembly Committee of the Whole
FROM: Rorie Watt, City Manager DATE: November 3, 2022
RE: Hazard Mapping Update/Recommendation
From a municipal policy perspective, hazard mapping is very complicated. While we all acknowledge that
the existing mapping and code is weak and antiquated, several attempts to update the code and maps
have failed. In order to effect an update to the code, the Assembly should be prepared to spend quality
time on the topic. While draft recommendations are included in this memo, no action is requested tonight.
I suggest that the Assembly digest the information in this memo, read a lot of the companion information
and take the topic up again at the 11/28 Committee of the Whole.
Changes to hazard maps and implementing code will be codified in Title 49 and all changes to this chapter
are required by code to go to the Planning Commission for work, public input and recommendation. Any
direction the Assembly gives will be a point of departure for staff to begin that work with the Commission.
As this is an enormous topic, I have included quite a few endnotes to help frame the topic.
Many documents (including the new maps) are available on the Community Development Department
webpage under special projects, linked here:
https://juneau.org/community-development/special-projects/landslide-avalanche-assessment
The existing adopted hazard maps from 1987 are antiquated and the companion Code (49.70.300) does
not accommodate the necessary subtly to allow for best answers for development in or near hazard areas.
Existing Mapping and Code generally guides and limits development as follows:
Purpose - Minimize the risk of loss of life or property due to landslides and avalanches
Mapping - Two zones: Moderate and Severe (same categories for both avalanche and landslide)
Restrictions
- every action except a single family home requires a Conditional Use Permit
- developer may change map boundaries with engineering analysis
- Planning Commission may require mitigating measures
- severe areas may not increase density or construct more than a single family home
The new mapping has more hazard categories (and we have not developed companion code):
Mapping Categories-
Landslide - Four zones: Moderate, High, Severe, Severe w/ Bedrock failure
Avalanche - Two zones: Moderate, Severe
- Estimated impact pressure threshold differentiating the zones
- Impact pressure can be used to inform building requirements
Uncomplicated policy implementations are at the ends of the spectrum – either doing nothing, or outright
prohibiting development is the least complex. Anything decision in between is significantly more complex.
Partially limiting property owners from developing requires very careful rationale to allow justifications to
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limit development rights – in situations that are all subtly different. New companion code must
accommodate existing building renovation/expansion proposals while also regulating vacant land. This is
made more complicated by disclaimers in the study that indicate that the maps are not to be used for site
specific decisions. At a high cost, the consultant has indicated that additional site specific analysis could
cost between $250K and $1M per hazard path.
Because landslide mapping can never be perfect, and if development is to be restricted, I recommend
that the code should continue to allow property owners an avenue to change map boundaries. There is a
less strong case that we should allow changes to avalanche mapping. The avalanche mapping has been
historically consistent, yet allowing an avenue for change/updating does seem reasonable. I have to admit
to having mixed feelings about this recommendation.
Landslides are more complicated than avalanches (or flood plains) from a policy perspective, they are less
predictable and can take more forms than avalanches. We can (and do) measure and analyze snow packs
and make risk predictions throughout the winter and an occupant that is in danger of an avalanche could
temporarily vacate a structure. Similarly, a person can also vacate a structure during a high water event
when flooding is predicted or when it is occurring.
Landslides can occur in several forms – large mass wasting events (1921, 1936), episodic gully washers
and September’s large tree event are examples. Unlike avalanches, landslides are not at all easy to predict.
Some communities have adopted slope or weather and soil monitoring approaches, but those do not seem
like obviously good strategies for Juneau. Monitoring would not have predicted the tree event of 9/26/22
or the episodic gully washing events that occur from time to time in the main drainage channels (organic
debris builds up over time, high rainfall events trigger relatively minor and localized slide events, scouring
the drainage channels to bedrock). Peak hour rainfall monitoring may be a better landslide risk indicator
(but is unlikely to be a flawless metric).
Code Purpose Draft Recommendation:
The existing purpose statement in 49.70.300 appears to be appropriate. Minimizing loss of life and
property is appropriate. Unfortunately, eliminating loss of life and property is not possible. I recommend
that we maintain this same purpose.
Avalanches:
The new and existing avalanche maps are similar, and the existing code appears to strike a reasonable
balance between information, restriction and prohibition. The maps are clear and believable to the public
(avalanche activity has been observed in our lifetimes and in documented memory), and enforce an
uncomplicated restriction (nothing greater than a single family home in a severe avalanche hazard area).
The draft report also recommends tangible mitigating standards, namely construction that has to resist a
certain force.
Avalanche Mapping & Code Draft Recommendation:
I recommend that the Assembly request a draft Ordinance that would adopt the new avalanche
maps and contain companion legislation that mirror’s the current code. The information on
the estimated impact pressure should be included as an advisory note in the draft legislation.
The Draft would be sent to the Commission for review.
Landslides:
Landslides have been reported in recent years in several other Southeast communities, some with fatal
results. People should reasonably ask – does Juneau face similar risks? Are our citizens at risk of fatality
if development or occupancy proceeds in our hazard zones or in other areas of Juneau? The answers to
these questions will be necessarily dissatisfying – we can’t perfectly know. We can predict and estimate,
but we can’t know the real actuarial risk. We can, however, make reasonable decisions based on the
available information that we have.
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In comparison to the adopted maps, the new mapping is more assertive in where it shows landslide hazard
zones. Whether the Assembly buys into this newly shown increased risk is uncertain. Whether the
Assembly feels that restricting development is sound public policy is also uncertain. In weighing the
consideration of the TGH project or the pre-development loan to the Gastineau Lodges project, both the
Planning Commission and the Assembly seem inclined to support development projects and to let private
applicants sort out the complicated details of hazard zone development.
Landslide Mapping & Code Recommendation:
I recommend that we adopt the maps as the best updated mapping available and develop a
draft Ordinance for Commission review that would propose to regulate development as
follows:
No restrictions in Low, Moderate or High Hazard Areas
Single Family Residency permissible in Severe Hazard Areas
Development Density Greater than Single Family Requires a Conditional Use
Permit, with the developer proposing special engineering for the following:
Peak Drainage
Special Foundation and/or High back wall Engineering
Debris Flow diversion mechanisms
Possible Adjustments to Map Boundaries
Additionally, the developer/owner should be required to notify hazard details to renters
Consider requiring property sellers to disclose hazard designation to potential buyers
Endnotes:
Skagway:
In the last year, the White Pass cruise ship dock has been damaged by rock landslides and private consultants
have been assessing the situation. The geological composition of that cliff side is different than downtown Juneau.
The exposed slope in Skagway shows fractured and over steepened cliff bands; unconsolidated boulders are poised
for descent some 950’ down to their cruise ship dock. It is not immediately analogous to our situation and the
immediate and severe nature of the risk is evident to a lay person. Skagway is considering some expensive short
term measures than are not at all likely to make the north cruise dock safe for use.
Haines:
The tragic Haines slide of 12/2/2020 occurred on a forested slope, gentler in grade than Mount Roberts. It actually
looks more similar to other Juneau slopes (including Douglas Island) than it does to our downtown hazard areas.
It is a good reminder that any mountainous slope can be unstable. Soil depths to bedrock appear to be much
greater than those on Mount Roberts which resulted in the availability of much more soils debris for the landslide.
Sitka:
Sitka experienced a fatal landslide on 8/18/2015. Sitka’s soil strata is very different than much of southeast, a
layer of tephra soils (explosively erupted ash from the Mount Edgecumbe Volcano) underlay surface soils in the
region. These soils have different soil mechanics resulting in different slope stability considerations. Soil depths to
bedrock appears to be greater than those found on Mount Roberts. With Federal NSF funding, the non-profit Sitka
Science Center maintains a Sitka landslide risk dashboard. I do not believe that the City and Borough of Sitka
endorses this website’s risk analysis. An interesting link to a video about correlation between rainfall and landslide
risk is also available (time stamp at about 18:30 for discussion on correlation of peak rainfall and risk elevation).
The problem with this approach is that people interested in understanding risk may get a false sense of security –
landslides can and will occur outside of peak rainfall events.
Juneau/Mount Roberts:
Juneau had two large slide events on Mount Roberts in the earlier part of the 20th century. Both slides appear
connected to the AJ Mine’s rail road development and its practice of side dumping rock on the steep slopes
above town for the construction of a rail road that ran side hill above town. Informing slope stability, the historic
mill site ruins appear unchanged since they were constructed some 100 years ago. Several mine penetrations
readily offer inspection of Mount Robert’s bed rock which appears to be very stable. These mine tunnels provide
limited but very valuable geotechnical information.
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CBJ has cleaned up several smaller mudslides on Gastineau Avenue in the last 20 years. Several drainage
channels have been episodically active and we should expect them to continue to be periodically active. When
these channels have scouring events, the underlying bedrock is typically exposed and appears to be stable.
CBJ’s significantly reconstructed Gastineau Avenue in 2001. Those project improvements are mitigating factors
for slope hazard analyses for properties that are downhill of the road. Substantial geotechnical engineering
including soil stabilization, retaining walls (including anchoring) and water management improvements were
constructed as part of that project.
Soil depths in the drainage channels on Mount Roberts are observable in many locations and are shallow,
resulting the availability of less soil debris for landslide events.
Climate Change:
As measured at the Juneau Airport, Juneau has seen a rough doubling in the last 20 years of days with more
than one inch of rain from the historical averages. From 1944 – 1990 we had an average of about 5-8 days per
year with greater than one inch of rain and from 2000-2020 about 10-15 days per year. There are many ways to
measure climate changes (this one comes with a warning about a smallish sample size) but peak rainfall events
appear to be increasing - which is very consistent with many climate change predictions.
Private Updating of Hazard Maps:
Given the nature of our hazard maps (a broad overview, not property specific) it makes sense to allow applicants
and property owners a process to update mapping. In theory this sounds reasonable, but in practice it is actually
quite challenging for several reasons. First, private applicants don’t have large financial resources that will likely
result in more detail than CBJ’s FEMA funded mapping effort. Second, private engineers and geologists who have
expertise in hazard zones have little to gain by participating in individual site selections on reduced budgets. The
liability is simply too great and the applicant’s ability to pay for a detailed analysis is very limited. Private
engineers with economic resources to protect are going to be naturally conservative.
In making the decision on whether to allow a path for property owners to update the hazard maps, the
Assembly has to balance several issues. First, global hazard mapping is an effort to broadly help the community,
while the ability to adjust maps would allow individual owners to represent their financial interests, the interests
of specific properties. Second, it is unlikely that private proposals to update will have similar mapping quality
than the new maps.
Statistics & Probability:
Any policies about hazard zone regulation are inextricably bound to the likelihood that events occur within a
named period of years. The avalanche efforts are tied to a 30 year concept that is derived from climate and
event data. Flood mapping is typically tied to 100 or 30 year event probabilities. Like avalanche risk analysis,
flood mapping is heavily reliant on measurable rainfall data, topography and records of historical events.
Landslide or mass wasting probability is much more difficult to predict. The new landslide mapping is not linked
to event probabilities. Some discussion of probability was included in the draft report and deleted by the
consultant in the final report; the consultant was unwilling to tie their work to event probability estimates.
There are about 30 mapped severe landslide hazard chutes between about 2nd Street and the Little Rock Dump.
The consultant has generally mapped the severe hazard exposure areas to the waterside of Franklin
Street/Thane Road. When discussing probability of new code restrictions, I suggested to the Assembly that we
not try to regulate hazards that are not predicted to occur within a 50 year time frame, the Assembly preferred a
more conservative approach of not regulating events that are not predicted to occur within a 100 year
timeframe.
Doing the Math:
Statistically, a landslide path with a 100 year event probability has a 63% chance of occurring in any given 100
year period (or a 37% chance of NOT occurring). We have 30 mapped landslide paths and more than 100 years
of data and two mine railroad related events that caused debris flows to reach South Franklin. The chance of All
of these mapped paths having a 100 year event probability and ALL NOT having a non-made made debris slide
reach South Franklin in ANY of these paths in a 100 year period is something like one millionth of a percent.
The simple math tells us that these mapped severe areas are not all likely to reach South Franklin Street as
shown on the maps. Is it possible? Yes, of course. But it is more likely to be on some multi-100 year likelihood.
Maybe we’ll be unlucky enough to see a 500 or 1,000 year event in our lifetimes, but most probably not.
Downed Trees:
Geologists consider the September event that damaged homes on Gastineau Avenue to be a landslide event.
Another perspective is that the event very well may have been initiated by high winds which blew down a 300+
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year old tree and it was this tree and associated woody debris that caused damage to the homes. This
distinction is likely significant for homeowners and their insurance companies. While there was rainfall and soil
erosion, the causative factor in the home damage was from trees that fell and mobilized at high velocity down
the hillside.
To my knowledge, we do not have historical knowledge of events like this one. There are many downed and
dead trees on the hillside, yet they have not mobilized in storm events. Notably, AEL&P performs maintenance
on the power line corridor that is above the roads. They cut down and trim trees that are potentially hazardous
to the aerial power lines. These downed trees are in the power line corridor, slowly decomposing. It seems very
strange and unusual to have 300ish year old tree fall and take a 600-700 toboggan ride, root wad first. Speaking
for myself, it had not occurred to me that it would be possible, I would have assumed that falling trees would
get hung up on other trees.
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Additional Materials
Title 49- Committee of the Whole
Assembly Chambers
5:30 pm
Meeting Date: March 14, 2023
1. AME2021 0008:
a. Public Comment from Andrew Heist, received 1/23/2023
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From: Andrew Heist
To: PC_Comments
Subject: Proposed Hazard Maps
Date: Monday, January 23, 2023 10:41:23 AM
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Hello Planning Commission members,
I sent the below to the CBJ Assembly, but I understand the issue is still in the Planning Commission.
Please consider my comments:
My name is Andrew Heist and I am the property owner of the adjacent properties at 310 & 314 Irwin
Street. If the proposed maps are adopted, the 4-plex at 310 Irwin St. will go from ‘moderate’ to
‘severe’ risk and the single family dwelling at 314 Irwin St. will go from 'no risk' level to ‘severe’ risk.
Both buildings are 103 years old and have no records or evidence of impact from an avalanche or
slide event.
I am requesting that you delay adoption of these maps until the following has occurred:
- extensive public outreach
- additional research/studies on potential mitigation strategies
- additional analysis of how existing structures mitigate risks outlined in new maps
- extensive research into factors involved in the City of Sitka’s recent adoption of new hazard maps
followed by nearly immediately rescinding their action.
- extensive research on the real-world consequences the new classifications will have on Juneau
property owners’ ability to borrow, buy, sell, develop, and insure their affected properties.
- clearly outline and communicate to the public the restrictions/ramifications these classifications
will have on affected properties.
I know that assembly members are aware that this is a very complicated issue with huge potential
consequences (many of which are not known), and I’ll try to be brief in my comments and close with
how the proposed changes will directly affect me.
The work of TetraTech was going on without much public awareness until the proposed maps were
published, showing some 220 additional properties now included in hazard areas. This resulted in
very justifiable concern from many affected residents. Through several meetings and information
sessions, one large takeaway agreed upon by all parties was that a great deal of public outreach was
necessary before moving ahead with anything. After the initial flurry of activity, possibly due to the
depth and complexity of the issue, it seemed to be stalled in committee without much public
outreach, or anything else, happening.
In September 2022, a slide occurred on Gastineau Ave resulting in severe damage to several
properties. This event seemed to jump-start the process to adopt the maps despite the fact that
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little additional work, research, or public involvement had occurred.
The Gastineau slide was very unfortunate, and thankfully no individuals were injured. This slide
would have occurred whether or not the maps had been adopted and the maps would not have
prevented any of the damage. While it’s understandable that this brings the issue back to the fore,
rushing ahead to adopt these maps despite the fact that very little additional work, study, research,
and outreach has occurred feels extremely reactionary, and that is not at all a sound methodology
for effective policy making. There is so much more work to be done before this decision can be
responsibly enacted— please do not let the Gastineau slide push you to rush this monumental
decision that will hugely affect some 220 property owners.
Please complete the following additional work before coming to a decision:
- Communicate with your peers in Sitka to see how their new maps affected property owners. Talk to
members of the Real Estate, Banking, and Insurance communities to learn how the maps affected
them. Research why the maps were quickly rescinded. And -most importantly- proactively share this
information with your constituents. With such a recent and nearby event and subsequent map and
policy change in Sitka, that was rather quickly undone, CBJ should be learning everything they can
from that and sharing it with the public here in Juneau.
- Embark on further studies to assess risk mitigation strategies. How and where are they possible?
- Do further study on how existing structures affect or mitigate risk of other structures. My 4-plex
sits directly below a massive condominium complex. There is no consideration given to this massive
barrier when my property is assigned a new risk level. A decision with these important impacts on
property owners needs to be fully researched before enacting.
- Communicate to the public about your plans to re-map other areas of Juneau. This project only
covers a small section of Juneau and has huge potential negative impacts for affected property
owners. There are areas of Juneau that have topography much more similar than downtown is to
where the massive Haines slide occurred, yet they are not changing risk levels. Is this a fair way to
make policy?
- Do extensive research with lenders, insurers, real estate agents and developers to learn the actual
consequences these new maps will have on property owners. This must be done prior to the
adoption of new maps to avoid potential serious implications for many peoples’ most valuable and
substantial investment.
In closing I’d like to share how these proposed changes will affect me and my specific situation.
After several seasons working at Allen Marine Tours and saving up barely enough for a down
payment, I purchased my first home in 2008. It is the big yellow 1920 4-plex at 310 Irwin St. I lived in
it for eight years and unlike many other Juneau landlords, I devised a business plan that I could be
proud of. I would work hard to keep up with all necessary maintenance, while working on a long
range plan to upgrade the aging plumbing and heating systems. I would keep rents more reasonable
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than most, opting for longer term residents who would be part of the community of our
neighborhood. I would make the apartments great places to live, keep the building in excellent
condition and when the time came to sell the property, I would have a very valuable asset.
While the exact consequences of these new maps are not yet known, they will dramatically alter this
plan. The uncertainty around buying, selling, borrowing and insurance brought up by these changes
mean that my most significant, important investment, and the keystone to my lifelong business plan
may not actually be a valuable investment at all. Now, instead of looking ahead to the day my
investment bears fruit when I sell it, I am inclined to shift gears into the much more common
mindset of: invest as little as possible in the property while reaping the maximum profit. Make the
money now, and it doesn’t matter if the deferred maintenance and poor upkeep result in a lower
sale price. In my case, though I have resisted it at all costs, I am inclined to convert my four 2-
bedroom apartments to short term vacation rentals to maximize profit. I have loved being a part of
the community by providing nice, affordable, stable rentals for a very long list of fantastic Juneau
community members. If these maps move forward as proposed, with none of the additional work
and research needed to make this decision responsibly, that’s the decision I will be forced to make
to protect my most important investment.
Both of my affected properties are in D-18 multi family areas. With the restrictions on increasing
density in hazard areas, these new classifications nullify this valuable zoning classification. I have
plans to add a rear dormer on the 4-plex to add two additional 1-bedroom apartments as well as
expanding the neighboring single family home to a 3-bedroom, 2-bathroom home with an attached
accessory apartment. If these maps go forward, those plans become impossible. Does CBJ plan to
compensate property owners for these extremely substantial changes to their properties’ potential?
It’s worth noting again that both of these properties have been standing for 103 years and neither
have been affected by any slide or avalanche damage. An event of the magnitude needed to destroy
the gigantic condominium complex above my properties and hit mine would be a 500 or 1,000 year
event. Is this the scope of planning the assembly is undertaking?
Please— do a great deal more work, learning, research, strategizing and communicating with the
public before making this decision that will potentially decimate the small business I have built from
the ground up here in my beloved Juneau and hugely impact hundreds of other members of our
community.
Respectfully,
Andrew Heist
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