Committee on Ways and Means
Regular MeetingLansing, MI · August 3, 2020
Minutes
MINUTES
Committee on Ways and Means Special Meeting
Monday, August 3, 2020 @ 12:00 p.m.
Via Zoom: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86349636821; Meeting ID: 863 4963 6821; Dial In: (312) 626 6799
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 12:00 p.m.
Members Present via audio/video
Council Member Carol Wood, Chair
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Vice Chairperson
Council Member Brian T Jackson, Member- absent
OTHERS PRESENT
Sherrie Boak, City Council Office Manager
Chief Green, LPD
Judy Kehler, Chief Strategy Officer
Joe McClure, LPD
Jake Brower, Budget Director
Jim Smiertka, City Attorney
Lisa Hagen, Assistant City Attorney
Minutes
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SPADAFORE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JULY
24, 2020 AS PRESENTED. MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
Public Comment
No public present at this time.
Discussion/Action
REPORT – Chief Strategy Officer Update on Police Budget Details
Council Member Wood asked staff to share the screen with the report from the Chief Strategy
Officer. Ms. Kehler began with the General Fund breakdown on the dedicated mill and fees
specific to the LPD. Council Member Wood asked Council Member Spadafore if based on the
fact the revenues come into the general pot, does this meet his request. Council Member
Spadafore stated it does get him what is discretionary dollars. Ms. Kehler asked for his
definition of discretionary, and Council Member Spadafore stated his definition would be
discretionary in applying the funds to other areas after removing the fixed costs or voter millage.
Ms. Kehler noted it is not discretionary, there is a statue on what funds can be spent on. The
mills are designated and the fees are tied to ordinance. Council Member Spadafore asked if
there was any language with BWL contract on where those funds from return on equity have to
be spent with law enforcement, and was told that was correct. Ms. Kehler added that General
Fund dollars by definition have to be based on public use, then referred the Committee to the
document from the last meeting on general revenue standards. Council Member Spadafore
stated then that it is discretionary and legal, the general funds are not tied to LPD, it could be
used under legal guidance for other areas in the City.
The discussion then moved to the breakdown on the legacy costs. After the review of those
items on the report, Council Member Spadafore asked if salaries could be broken down to
patrol, investigator, social workers, etc. Council Member Wood noted that is already in the
budget line item, and that could be added to this report. Ms. Kehler noted that there is $300,000
contractual or salaried for crossing guards with the school. Mr. McClure noted the crossing
guards are contracted out. The Committee moved into the overview of the operating items.
Council Member Wood pointed out the line for Contractual does list the $300,000 for the
previous discussion on crossing guards. She then asked Ms. Kehler to detail that out, in
addition to detailing out vehicle rental, information technology, utilities, communication and
phones, building rent, equipment rental and insurance and bonds noting that those lines items
all have to happen to have a police department. Regarding uniforms, Chief Green noted that
uniforms can encompass camera batteries, protective equipment, so more items then just an
actual uniform. Council Member Wood encouraged making a change to have a note detailing
out the uniform line item.
Regarding the topic of Special Revenue Funds, Ms. Kehler stated these are specifically
appropriate from Council. She then asked for confirmation on the definition she used for
General Funds. It was determined by Committee it was appropriate and could be moved to the
first page where the General Fund is at.
Lastly the Committee reviewed page 3, which listed out the staffing for FY2019, FY2020 and
FY2021 with total personnel. It was noted in the graph that in the 247 of FY 2021 there are 12
community officers and 1 social worker. The bottom of that graph outlined the legacy costs in
percentage. Council Member Spadafore asked if the final is exclusive legacy costs, and asked
that a line be included to stated inclusive and then one for non-legacy costs.
Council Member Wood asked Ms. Boak to email Ms. Kehler outlining under the Michigan Taxes
that speaks to the fact that police and fire do not receive social security, and since she was not
sure if the public was aware of that, it would be worth noting in the report. Ms. Boak sent the
email to Ms. Kehler at this time (12:31 p.m). Council Member Wood asked Ms. Kehler to
included LPD history, budget process and Chapter 23, to include the social security information
to that.
Ms. Kehler was asked if the most recent updates could be provided by end of day so the
Committee on Equity, Diversity and Inclusion has it for their meeting tonight. Ms. Kehler stated
that was possible, and Council Member Spadafore noted it will also appear on the overview for
discussion at the Council meeting.
Other
No other topics of discussion.
ADJOURN
Adjourned at 12:32 p.m.
Submitted by,
Sherrie Boak, Council Office Manager
Lansing City Council
Approved by the Committee on August 28, 2020
Agenda
AGENDA
Committee on Ways and Means Special Meeting
Monday, August 3rd, 2020 @ 12:00 p.m.
Via Zoom: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86349636821; Meeting ID: 863 4963 6821; Dial In: (312) 626 6799
Email comments prior to the meeting to sherrie.boak@lansingmi.gov
Councilmember Wood, Chair
Councilmember Spadafore, Vice Chair
Council Member Jackson, Member
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
July 24 , 2020
3. Public Comment on Agenda Items
4. Discussion/Action:
A.) REPORT – Chief Strategy Officer Update on Police Budget Details
5. Other
6. Adjourn
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DRAFT
MINUTES
Committee on Ways and Means
Friday, July 24, 2020 @ 8:30 a.m.
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CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 8:30 a.m.
Members Present via audio/video
Council Member Carol Wood, Chair
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Vice Chairperson
Council Member Brian T Jackson, Member- absent
OTHERS PRESENT
Sherrie Boak, City Council Office Manager
Joe McClure, LPD
Chief Green, LPD
Amber Paxton, Financial Empowerment
Judy Kehler, Chief Strategy Officer
Jake Brower, Interim Finance Director
Minutes
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SPADAFORE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JULY 10,
2020 AS PRESENTED. MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
Public Comment
No public present at this time.
Discussion/Action
RESOLUTION – Grant Acceptance and Budget Transfer; Results for America Economic Mobility
Grant
Ms. Paxton noted to the Committee that this grant was part of the “What Works Cities” and nine
(9) cities chosen. This is program helps high school seniors and college freshman for financial
incentives for participating and achieving the financial goal, along with materials for marketing the
program. This came with $1.2 million in technical assistance. Council Member Spadafore spoke
in support of the grant.
DRAFT
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SPADAFORE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE
GRANT FOR AMERICA ECONOMIC MOBILITY.
Council Member Wood asked if there was a match from the City, and Ms. Paxton confirmed there
was not. She was then asked if they assist the students in understanding and participating in
bank accounts. Ms. Paxton confirmed they work with them reconciling on a daily basis and make
sure they do not accrue unnecessary costs and are taught to budget and online banking.
ROLL CALL VOTE, MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
RESOLUTION – Grant Acceptance and Budget Transfer; Cities for Financial Empowerment Fund
Grant
Ms. Paxton stated to the Committee that they had applied for this grant to provide for increased
staffing due to the COVID 19 response. This grant will provide one (1) counselor for one (1) year
at Cristo Rey, and that will allow them one year to raise the funds to continue the position. This
grant will be used to pay for wages and fringes, and the equipment for the financial counselor for
one year. Ms. Paxton concluded by noting that the grant did start June 1, however they did not
receive the signed grant until July 13th, so it was sent to Council as soon as that signed version
came through.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SPADAFORE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE
GRANT FROM THE CITIES FOR FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT FUND.
Council Member Wood asked if the counselor’s had office hours, and Ms. Paxton confirmed they
have been working remotely via phone and zoom. Council Member Wood asked if they have
discussed how to address the issues residents have that have been unemployed, and will be
losing the $600 COVID. Ms. Paxton confirmed that the counselors speak weekly, and they are
setting new milestones to help people navigate people off COVID. Council Member Spadafore if
there are any increased services via the audio/video process. Ms. Paxton stated that they have
not seen any increase of members, but the new counselor will do more outreach. Council Member
Wood noted that many clients might not have the equipment or capability for virtual meetings, so
asked if there were options for those clients. Ms. Paxton confirmed they do phone call interviews
and do require verification of identity on that for protection. Council Member Wood then asked if
the staff is provided cell phones and computers to use while working from home, so the
information is encrypted and not on using personal equipment. Ms. Paxton confirmed they do
have the advocacy equipment not their personal equipment.
ROLL CALL VOTE, MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
RESOLUTION- Grant Acceptance and Budget Transfer; DOJ grant from the Office of Justice
Programs
Mr. McClure confirmed the grant was for $339,769 with no match from the City. The funds are
being awarded to utilize the prevention and response to COVID. With the funds, Mr. McClure
continued, the LPD will purchase seven (7) infrared devices and prevention supplies, including
air purification, protective suits, and response equipment. It was noted this will also include one
additional temporary employee to assist with decontamination. Chief Green added to the
explanation that the temporary employee will help with stocking and adding supplies to the
vehicles and is only an 18-month term. The grant will assist in the purchase of one vehicle so
that if there is a contamination, there is always a clean vehicle available to be on the road.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SPADAFORE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE
GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAMS.
DRAFT
Council Member Spadafore asked for more details on the temporary employee and Chief Green
confirmed his intentions for a cadet and essentially that cadet could transfer to the academy and
in turn help with future recruiting. Council Member Spadafore asked if the vehicle would be
“special” or just an additional vehicle. Chief Green stated it will be special as in it will have the
additional contamination supplies and equipment, and could be used for patrol status also.
Council Member Wood asked if the officers have enough equipment to meet their needs. Chief
Green confirmed they do for now, but this grant does provide for equipment that they will be
sharing with the LFD.
ROLL CALL VOTE, MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
REPORT – Chief Strategy Officer Update on Police Budget Details
Council Member Wood recapped the request from the July 10, 2020 Committee meeting, which
was a request for the Chief Strategy Officer to review the LPD budget and delineate some of the
line items and provide context on those. Chief Green confirmed he did receive a copy of the
report. Ms. Kehler began a presentation on the report that was sent to them from Council Member
Wood. She confirmed it was a collaboration with LPD, Finance, and conversations with Chief
Green. Ms. Kehler went through the report beginning with the history of the LPD, leading into the
budget summary and staffing summary. Chief Green did not that in FY2021 it is noted for 203
sworn officers, but the average is 2.2 officers per 1,000 in population. Ms. Kehler did not that
over the last three years there have been different forms for budgeting so it was hard to compare
program based to line item based, and the comparison was for the final 2019, but the adopted
budget for 2020 since it was not closed yet. Council Member Spadafore asked if the $46,493,846
in adopted 2021 had the millage and Ms. Kehler confirmed it did include the $3.53 million. She
noted in the final draft she would have a chart that clearly noted it. The Committee reviewed the
report with Ms. Kehler and moved into the GF revenues, and Ms. Kehler asked them how in depth
they wanted to see the breakdown. Council Member Wood stated she was not as concerned on
a breakout of staffing and personnel, and Council Member Spadafore agreed stating his interest
would be in the funding source. Council Member Wood suggested on the Staffing Summary,
since the comparison was not apples to apples because of different budgeting styles, that the
“gray boxes” list the budgeting format so the public would understand the comparison. She also
asked that the “legacy cost” of the budget be highlighted more and Council Member Spadafore
added the report should have more lines that demonstrate total minus the legacy costs, then a
breakdown of what the percentage with the legacy cost would be in terms of the total budget, and
what that dollar amount would be. Mr. Smiertka asked if the legacy cost listed is the City
contribution of the total cost. Ms. Kehler responded that it was the retiree pension and health
care cost. Council Member Spadafore asked if the percentage is the total cost of police or just
what the City sends over to pension. Ms. Kehler stated it was the total cost, but she would double
check that. Council Member Spadafore asked her next report include a breakdown of legacy
costs, and use dollar amounts as well as percentage. Council Member Wood suggested the next
report look at other costs that help the department function such as facility rental, information
technology, so that when those fixed cost numbers are backed out, the public can see the
balance. A graph was suggested for that along with a graph on fixed costs. The Committee
moved into more details on the revenues. Council Member Spadafore asked that the next report
not just include the details but a spreadsheet on the dollar amount.
The Committee consensus was to set a special meeting of July 31st to review the final report.
(After the meeting this special meeting was moved to August 3rd).
DRAFT
Other
No other topics of discussion.
ADJOURN
Adjourn at 9:34 a.m.
Submitted by,
Sherrie Boak, Council Office Manager
Lansing City Council
Approved by the Committee on________________