Joint Retirement Board of Trustee
Regular MeetingLansing, MI · November 21, 2023
Minutes
CITY OF LANSING
JOINT EMPLOYEES’ RETIREMENT SYSTEM
And POLICE AND FIRE RETIREMENT SYSTEM
MEETING MINUTES
Joint Meeting Minutes November 21, 2023
10th Floor Conference Room Tuesday, 8:30 a.m.
The meeting was called to order at 8:34 a.m.
Trustees present: (ERS) Bahr, Dedic, Ebright, Garza, Jeffries, Kirkland, Kraus, O’Leary,
Parker, Schor – 10
(Police & Fire) Kirkland, Kreft, Moore, Schor, Wohlfert, Wood – 6
Excused: (ERS), 0
Excused: (Police & Fire): Taylor, Wilcox
Others present: Karen Williams, Human Resources Department, Attorney Aaron L. Castle,
VanOverbeke, Michaud & Timmony, P.C., Gregory Stump, Boomershine Consulting
Group, and Mr. Nathan Burk, Asset Consulting Group.
It was moved by Trustee Wood and supported by Trustee Moore to excuse Trustees Taylor
and Wilcox from the Joint Employees’ Retirement System Board and Police and Fire
Retirement System November Board meeting.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 – 0.
It was moved by Trustee Wood and supported by Trustee Moore to approve the Official
Minutes of the Police and Fire Retirement System Board meeting of October 17, 2023,
with corrections.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 – 0.
It was moved by Trustee Kraus and supported by Trustee Dedic to approve the Official
Minutes of the Employees’ Retirement System Board meeting of October 17, 2023.
Adopted by the following vote: 10 – 0.
There were no public comments for items on the agenda.
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Secretary’s Report (Police & Fire):
1 new sworn fire member(s), 2 new sworn police members, 0
reinstatement(s), 1 refund(s), 0 transfers, 5 retired. Total active
membership: 362. 1 death(s) Brenda J. Brassington, IAFF, died
10/27/2023, age 61, spouse to receive 75%. Refunds made since the last
regular meeting amounted to $9,156.26. Reimbursements to the System
year-to-date amount to $4,992.00. Retirement allowances paid for the
month of October 2023 amounted to $3,303,251.96. Total retirement
checks printed for the P&F System: 814. Total retirement checks printed for
both systems: 1,738. Domestic relations order received: 0. Domestic
relations orders pending: 0. Eligible Domestic Relations Order Certified: 1.
Secretary’s Report (Employees’ Retirement System):
7 new member(s), 0 reinstatement(s), 2 refund(s), 0 transfers, 2 retired.
Total active membership: 423. Total deferred: 69. 3 death(s) Gene E. Guile
(Finance – Teamster, retired 11/21/1992), died 10/5/2023, age 86, spouse
to receive 100%; Ivan W. Latoski, Sr. (Public Service, -UAW, retired
1/8/2001), died 10/6/2023, age 91, beneficiary to receive 100%; Richard E.
McClymount, (Public Service – NonBargaining, retired 11/21/1992), died
10/16/2023, age 80, beneficiary to receive 50%; Refunds made since the
last regular meeting mounted to $33,553.76. Retirement allowances paid
for the month of October 2023, amounted to $2,022,839.84. Total
retirement checks printed for the ERS System: 924. Total Retirement
checks printed for both systems: 1,738. Eligible domestic relations orders
received: 0. Domestic relations orders pending: 0. Eligible domestic
relations orders certified: 0.
There were no applicants for Regular Age and Service Retirement for the Police and Fire
Retirement System.
There were no applicants for Regular Age and Service Retirement for the Employees’ Retirement
System.
The Joint Employees’ Retirement System and the Police and Fire Retirement System recessed to
allow the Employees’ Retirement System disability committee and the Police and Fire Retirement
System Disability Committee to meet.
The Joint meeting recessed at 8:42 a.m.
The Joint meeting resumed at 8:49 a.m.
Karen Williams reported that the Police and Fire Retirement System reviewed the medical report
for Applicant #2023 -P0718 that was tabled.
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It was moved by Trustee Moore and Trustee Kirkland to remove Applicant #2023-P0718 from the table for
action.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 -0
It was moved by Trustee Moore and supported by Trustee Schor to deny Applicant #2023-P0718 request
for duty disability form the Police and Fire Retirement system.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 -0.
Ms. Williams reported that Applicant #2023 -E0620 had seen the medical director, and the Employees
Retirement System disability committee received the medical report for review.
It was moved by Trustee Bahr and supported by Truste O’Leary to approve the duty disability request for
Applicant # 2023-E0620 for the Employees’ Retirement System.
Adopted by the following vote: 10-0.
Ms. Williams reported that Applicant #2023-E0621 had been scheduled to see the medical doctor.
There were no requests for non-duty disability retirements for the Police and Fire Retirement system.
There were no requests for non-duty disability retirements for the Employees’ Retirement System.
Ms. Williams reported that Mr. James Videto, IAFF was not vested and has requested a refund of his
accumulated contributions of $40,844.58 from the Police and Fire Retirement System.
It was moved by Trustee Moore and supported by Trustee Kirkland to approve the request for refund of
accumulated contributions of Mr. James Videto for $40,844.58,
Adopted by the following vote: 6 -0.
Ms. Williams reported that the following requests for refund of accumulated contribution had been received
for the Employees’ Retirement System:
Bailey A. Braneff, Teamster District Court, not vested, $1,937.44.
Derek Nolan, UAW, not vested, $9,746.81.
Jacob Odom, Teamster 243, not vested, $17,133.71.
It was moved by Trustee Bahr and supported by Trustee Kirkland to approve the requests for refunds of
the following from the Employees’ Retirement System:
Bailey A. Braneff, Teamster District Court, not vested, $1,937.44.
Derek Nolan, UAW, not vested, $9,746.81.
Jacob Odom, Teamster 243, not vested, $17,133.71.
Adopted by the following vote: 10- 0.
There were no reports for Training and Education.
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There were no public comments for items not on the agenda.
Greg Stump presented the Actuarial Valuation for the period ending December 31, 2022, for the
Employees’ Retirement System and the Police and Fire Retirement System.
Mr. Stump reviewed the valuation results, retiree healthcare and the fund outlook for both systems. Mr.
Stump discussed the impact of the state grant money for the Employees Retirement System. The funding
the ratio for Police and Fire was 62% and the funding ratio for Employees’ Retirement Fund was 53% and
the percent of payroll for Employees’ Retirement System was 46%. Mr. Stump reviewed the effect of asset
smoothing for both systems.
Mr. Stump discussed the State of Michigan awarded the Employees Retirement System $11,55 million and
the impact would be seen in the 12/31/2023 valuation and going forward. The projection changes due to
the grant money would include a reduction in unfunded liability (amount of grant), 4% increase in the
system’s funding ratio, a decease in FY2025 city contribution and would affect future years. Mr. Stump
added that the City of Lansing can elect to contribute more to accelerate funding progress and the long-
term funding outlook was not materially affected by the grant,
Mr. Stump provided an update on retiree healthcare valuations and provided projections for the funding
and contribution outlook for both systems.
Ms. Williams reported the Police and Fire Retirement System invoices for November: T. Rowe Price
Associates, Inc., $29,940.44; Income Research + Management, $19,034.43; VanOverbeke, Michaud and
Timmony, P.C., $1,716 with itemized services for the 3rdd quarter.
It was moved by Trustee Moore and supported by Trustee Kirkland to approve the Police and Fire
Retirement System invoices for November 2023.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 – 0.
Trustee Wohlfert asked if the Police and Fire Retirement Board wished to review their credit card policy to
allow additional members to have credit cards besides the chair and vice chair.
The Police and Fire Retirement System trustees agreed to keep the current policy.
Karen Williams updated the Police and Fire Retirement System Board that only one nominating petition
has been received for the Fire Trustee member and that there would be no upcoming election.
Ms. Williams reported the Operating Expenses for the 3rd Quarter from July thru September 30, 2023, for
the Police & Fire Retirement System. The gross payroll was $9,660,003.00, with year-to-date retirement
payroll at $28,617,970. This amount was 77% of the budget. Investment fees for the quarter was
$145,942.07, contractual fees was $35,914.50. Total operating and administrative expenses for the quarter
was $9,851,844.57.
Ms. Williams reported the Employees’ Retirement System invoices for November: TRowe Price
Associates, Inc, $14846.03; Income Research + Management, $10,895,81, VanOverbeke, Michaud &
Timmony, P.C., $2,262.00 with itemized services for the 3rd quarter.
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It was moved by Trustee Dedic and supported by Trustee Bahr to approve payments for the Employees’
Retirement System invoices for November 2023.
Adopted by the following vote: 10 - 0.
Attorney Castle provided a legal memo regarding Mr. Dale Abronowitz’s request for reconsideration of his
non-duty disability retirement. The Employees’ Retirement System Board requested that Attorney Castle
review the request and provide a legal opinion. Attorney Castle opined that the Board must deny Mr.
Abronowitz’s request for reconsideration on account of the fact that it does not have the legal authority to
retroactively convert his non-duty disability retirement to a duty disability retirement.
It was moved by Trustee Kraus and supported by Trustee Dedic to deny Mr. Abronowitz’s request for
reconsideration based upon legal counsel’s opinion.
Adopted by the following vote: 10 - 0.
Ms. Williams reported the Operating Expenses for the 3rd Quarter from July thru September 30, 2023, for
the Employees’ Retirement System. The gross payroll was $6,058,904.35, with year-to-date retirement
payroll at $18,146,289. Investment fees for the quarter was $77,889.63, contractual fees was $26,899.00.
Total operating and administrative expenses for the quarter was $6,173,667.98.
Ms. Williams distributed the 2024 meeting dates of the Employees’ Retirement System Board and the
Police and Fire Retirement System Board.
It was moved by Trustee Moore and supported by Trustee Wood to approve the 2024 meeting dates for the
Police and Fire Retirement System Board.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 -0.
It was moved by Trustee Kraus and supported by Trustee Dedic to approve the 2024 meeting dates for the
Employees’ Retirement System Board.
Adopted by the following vote: 10 -0.
Trustee Dedic suggested that the Joint Retirement System Board have a Retirement Conference in 2024.
He noted that the Board had not a conference since 2017. The Joint Retirement Boards requested that Ms.
Williams check possible dates with the Lansing Center from late August through mid-October.
Mr. Nathan Burk referred to the Market Snapshot of the 3rd Quarter Investment report. Mr. Burk
discussed the financial performance of the Employees’ Retirement System and the Police and
Fire Retirement System for the period ending September 30, 2023. Mr. Burk reviewed current
market environment and discussed the inflation, risk, and interest rates.
Mr. Burk provided recommendations for quarterly cash flow withdrawals for the Employees’ Retirement
System: $3 million from Northern Trust Index Fund, $1 million from Earnest Partners, $1 million from
Lazard and $2.5 million from the Northern Trust reserve account.
It was moved by Trustee Dedic and supported by Trustee Kraus to approve Asset Consulting Group
recommendations for quarterly cash flow withdrawals of $7.5 million for the Employees’ Retirement
System.
Adopted by the following vote: 10 -0
Mr. Burk provided recommendations for quarterly cash flow withdrawals for the Police and Fire
Retirement System: $2 million from Northern Trust Index Fund, $5 million from T. Rowe Price, $2
million from BlackRock and $1 million from the Northern Trust reserve account.
It was moved by Trustee Moore and supported by Trustee Wood to approve Asset Consulting Group
recommendations for quarterly cash flow withdrawals of 10 million for the Police and Fire Retirement
System.
Adopted by the following vote: 6 -0
Mr. Burk reviewed the Employees’ Retirement System and The Police and Fire Retirement System Asset
Allocation. He reviewed the portfolio’s goals and objectives. He revisited and confirmed strategic asset
allocation targets and expectation of continued uncertainty and focus on the longer term. Mr. Burk
explained changes in Asset Consulting Group assumptions regarding valuations and yields. Mr. Burk
updated the Boards that redemption from Trumbull Property had been requested. The proceeds would
fund the Principal Investment.
Mr. Burk introduced a discussion on Infrastructure as a suggested addition to the retirement systems
portfolios. He reviewed the definition of infrastructure and its categories. Mr. Burk discussed risk and
return factors for the strategy and provided a comparison against other asset classes. Mr. Burk noted that
he would discuss Capital Market assumptions at the February meeting.
It was moved by Trustee Moore and supported by Trustee Kreft to adjourn the Joint Retirement System
Board meeting for the Police and Fire Retirement System.
Adopted by the following vote: unanimous.
It was moved by Trustee Kraus and supported by Trustee Bahr to adjourn the Joint Retirement System
Board meeting for the Employees’ Retirement System.
Adopted by the following vote: unanimous.
The Meeting adjourned at 10:48 a.m.
Minutes approved on 12/18/2023.
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Desiree Kirkland, Secretary
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Dennis R. Parker, Chairperson Eric P. Wohlfert, Chairperson
Employees’ Retirement System Police and Fire Retirement System
Agenda
CITY OF LANSING
JOINT EMPLOYEES’ RETIREMENT SYSTEM
AND POLICE AND FIRE RETIREMENT
SYSTEM BOARDS AGENDA
Joint Meeting November 21, 2023
10th Floor Conference Room Tuesday, 8:30 a.m.
1. Call to Order.
2. Roll Call:
P&F: Kirkland, Kreft, Moore, Schor, Taylor, C. Wilcox, Wohlfert, Wood. – 8
ERS: Bahr, Dedic, Ebright, Garza, Jeffries, Kirkland, Kraus, O’Leary, Parker, Schor – 10
3. Excusing of Board Members (Police and Fire)
4. Excusing of Board Members (Employees’ Retirement System):
5. Reading of the Official Minutes of the Police and Fire Retirement System Board meeting of
October 17, 2023. (Police and Fire)
6. Reading of the Official Minutes of the Employees’ Retirement System Board System Board
Regular Meeting of October 17, 2023 (Employees’ Retirement System)
7. Public Comments for Items on the Agenda
8. Secretary’s Report (Police and Fire):
1 new sworn fire member(s), 2 new sworn police members, 0 reinstatement(s), 1 refund(s), 0
transfers, 5 retired. Total active membership: xxx. 1 death(s) Brenda J. Brassington, IAFF, died
10/27/2023, age 61, spouse to receive 75%. Refunds made since the last regular meeting
amounted to $9,156.26. Reimbursements to the System year-to-date amount to $4,992.00.
Retirement allowances paid for the month of October 2023 amounted to $3,303,251.96. Total
retirement checks printed for the P&F System: 814. Total retirement checks printed for both
systems: 1,738. Domestic relations order received: 0. Domestic relations orders pending: 0.
Eligible Domestic Relations Order Certified: 1.
9. Secretary’s Report (Employees’ Retirement System):
7 new member(s), 0 reinstatement(s), 0 refund(s), 0 transfers, 2 retired. Total active membership:
423. Total deferred: 69. 3death(s) Gene E. Guile (Finance – Teamster, retired 11/21/1992), died
10/5/2023, Ivan W. Latoski, Sr. (Public Service, -UAW, retired 1/8/2001), died 10/6/2023, age 91,
beneficiary to receive 100%; Richard E. McClymount, (Public Service – NonBargaining, retired
11/21/1992), died 10/16/2023, age 80, beneficiary to receive 50%;. Refunds made since the last
regular meeting mounted to $0. Retirement allowances paid for the month of July 2023, amounted
to $2,020,444.53. Total retirement checks printed for the ERS System: 924. Total Retirement
checks printed for both systems: 1,738. Eligible domestic relations orders received: 0. Domestic
relations orders pending: 0. Eligible domestic relations orders certified: 0.
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10. Applicant for Regular Age & Service Retirement (Police and Fire):
11. Applicant for Regular Age & Service Retirement (Employees’ Retirement System):
12. Request for Duty Disability Retirement: (Police and Fire):
Applicant # 2023 – P0718 Tabled
13. Request for Duty Disability Retirement: (Employees’ Retirement System):
Applicant #2023- E0620 (pending)
Applicant #2023 -E0621 (pending)
14. Request for Non-Duty Disability Retirement (Police and Fire):
15. Request for Non-Duty Disability Retirement (Employees’ Retirement System):
16. Request for Refund of Accumulated Contributions (Police and Fire):
James Videto, IAFF, not vested, $40,844.58
17. Request for Refund of Accumulated Contribution (Employees’ Retirement System):
Bailey A. Braneff, Teamster District Court, not vested, $1,937.44
Derek Nolan, UAW, not vested, $9,746.81
Jacob Odom, Teamster 243, not vested, $17,133.71
18. Training and Education
19. Public Comments for items not on the agenda.
20. Actuarial Valuations for the period ending December 31, 2022 – Greg Stump,
Boomershine Consulting Group
20. Police and Fire Business:
Police and Fire November Invoices
Credit Card Policy
Fire Trustee Election Update
Quarterly Expense Report
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21.Employees’ Retirement System Business:
Employees’ Retirement System November
Abronowitz – legal opinion
Quarterly Expense Report
22.Joint Retirement System Business:
2024 Meeting Dates
24.Asset Consulting Group – Mr. George Tarlas
June 30, 2023 Quarter Investment Review
July Monthly Performance Reports
Market Snapshot
25. Adjourn