Special Meeting Board of Trustees
Special MeetingLombard, IL · March 7, 2019
Minutes
Village of Lombard
Village Hall
255 East Wilson Ave.
Lombard, IL 60148
villageoflombard.org
Minutes
Thursday, March 7, 2019
6:00 PM
Board Room
Special Meeting Board of Trustees
Village President Keith Giagnorio,
Village Clerk Sharon Kuderna,
Trustee Dan Whittington, Trustee Mike Fugiel,
Trustee Reid Foltyniewicz, Trustee Bill Johnston,
and Trustee Bill Ware
Special Meeting Board of Trustees Minutes March 7, 2019
I Call to Order
The Special meeting of the President and Board of Trustees of the
Village of Lombard held on Thursday, March 7, 2019 in the Board Room
of the Lombard Village Hall was called to order by Village President
Keith Giagnorio at 6:00 p.m.
II Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Director of Public Works Carl
Goldsmith.
III Roll Call
Present 8 - Keith Giagnorio, Sharon Kuderna, Dan Whittington, Mike Fugiel, Reid
Foltyniewicz, Bill Johnston, Robyn Pike, and Bill Ware
Staff Present:
Village Manager Scott Niehaus
Director of Finance Tim Sexton
Director of Community Development Bill Heniff
Director of Public Works Carl Goldsmith
Chief of Police Roy Newton
Fire Chief Richard Sander
Assistant Village Manager Nicole Aranas
HR Director Kathy Dunne
Communications Coordinator Avis Meade
Executive Coordinator Carol Bauer
IV Public Participation
V Agenda
180450 Video Gaming
Review of a proposed draft ordinance lifting the total ban on video
gaming, and allowing video gaming within the Village of Lombard, but
only in regard to certain liquor license categories and subject to certain
terms and conditions, with a sunset of said limited permissive video
gaming on June 30, 2020, unless further action is taken by the Village
Board. Review of a proposed draft ordinance placing an advisory
referendum on the March 17, 2020 ballot with regard to video gaming.
Village President Keith Giagnorio reported that he wanted to review
housekeeping rules; noted he read all of the e-mails that had been sent;
spoke of the three-minute limit for public participation; stated that we are
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all Lombardians and asked that all be respectful of each other's opinions;
noted he would not tolerate outbursts, clapping, booing, etc.; stated that
the Board was split on the matter of video gaming and he had hoped that
some resolution could be agreed upon, but as no agreement could be
reached, a compromise was being recommended; stated the
compromise included lifting the ban on video gaming with a sunset
clause of June 30, 2020 and adding the question of allowing video
gaming to the March 17, 2020 ballot as a non-binding referendum; stated
this is the longest standing one-item issue that he was aware of; felt this
was the best compromise for the businesses and the residents; the
question on the ballot relative to video gaming will be simple.
Village Manager Scott Niehaus provided the following overview: video
gaming was reviewed at the January 24th Workshop which included staff
and public comment; Village Board direction was to prepare two
ordinances; if the ordinance lifting the ban was passed, video gaming
would be allowed beginning July 1, 2019 through June 30, 2020; it takes
a considerable amount of time for an establishment to get a video
gaming license; ordinance would authorize video gaming and provide
liquor licenses for establishments to have video gaming; ordinance
includes conditions and restrictions on the adoption of video gaming as
recommended by four Standing Advisory Committees; video gaming
would require creation of new video gaming liquor licenses; reviewed the
various liquor license classes including video gaming; ordinance
contains local restrictions on video gaming licenses that go above and
beyond the basic requirements of the Video Gaming Act; restrictions in
the draft ordinance are matters of policy at the discreation of the Board;
the scope and extent of these restrictions may be amended at the
discretion of the Board; signage restrictions, video camera surveillance
and burglar alarm systems restrictions reviewed; the percentage of
income from video gaming is not to exceed 49% of the establishment's
gross revenue; liquor establishment must be in good standing and meet
all requirements; a sunset clause of June 30, 2020 was added;
non-binding referendum to be included on the March 17, 2020 ballot.
Village President Keith Giagnorio noted the upcoming April 2nd election
and spoke of new members to the Village Board; stated he bent over
backwards, but it appears that the only way to approach this is to have a
compromise between the two sides; did not want to be put in the position
between the two sides; the Board members have agreed to the
compromise; he noted that not everyone will be satisfied; trying to be fair;
we all love Lombard; there is not just a yes or no answer, but a middle
ground approach. He asked those people who were going to speak to
be mindful of other's opinions and respectful of each other whether you
agree or disagree.
1. Jerry Nash opposed to video gaming; residents going to Villa Park
and other communities that offer video gaming; businesses should look
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at other avenues to attract patrons.
2. Chris Cholewa, past President of LTC, stated she has been involved
in downtown; feels video gaming plays on vulnerable people; opposed to
video gaming; felt people should spend money in other ways.
3 Maryann O'Neill, resident of Lombard since 1971; homeowner and
parent with 11 grandchildren; owner of O'Neill's for 32 years; husband
passed away in 2006; 33 years as teacher and Chief Administrator at
Montini; would never do anything to jeopardize or endanger children;
spoke of addictions internet, gambling, liquor, smoking; felt people will
go or do whatever it takes to satisfy their addictions or engage in
activities they choose to do; spoke of video gaming as a form of
entertainment; asked that businesses be allowed to make their own
choice; felt their business was struggling and looked at adding video
gaming as a means of helping to retain their customers and draw new
customers.
4. Jeanine Gray, Trustee of Punky's, asked the Village Board to allow
video gaming; customers leaving to go to other towns that allow video
gaming; a lot of discussion about this since August 2018; would generate
additional revenue and also more revenue to the Village based on
Places for Eating tax, etc.; spoke of no negative impact on property
values, and that Villa Park, community that allows video gaming, was
voted #8 best small town to live in; Carol Stream also allows video
gaming and home values have increased 3.5%.
5. Dana Moreau, resident and business owner, spoke of investment in
downtown; did not see video gaming benefitting the Village; not fair to the
residents and businesses; spoke about a referendum.
6. Marymae Meyer felt it was a sad decision relative to the issue; look at
big picture; felt video gaming was not what the majority of taxpayers
wanted; spoke of people spending their money on gambling and felt it
was addictive.
7. Liam Quirke submitted petition with over three-hundred (300)
signatures supporting video gaming; form of entertainment for all ages;
spoke of people attending sporting events, concerts for entertainment
and some enjoy video gaming; spoke of Queen of Hearts raffle with a
$500,000 jackpot; questioned not allowing a $2 bet on a video gaming
machine when Queen of Hearts raffles and lottery tickets cost more than
that; will result in increased sales tax, amusement tax and Places for
Eating tax; deficits in budgets and this would generate revenue to help
police, fire and public works; lifting ban on video gaming would help small
businesses stay in business.
7. Deb Dynako spoke of slippery slope; community spirit; opposed to
video gaming.
8. Brendan Fitcharris has businesses in Villa Park, Elmhurst and
Glendale Heights, and looking at expanding business to Lombard, but
only if video gaming is allowed; allow businesses to choose what is best
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for them; spoke of addictions and being able to gamble on Internet,
laptop and phone; customers who want to play video games will go and
play video games elsewhere; provide revenue to the Village; losing
business to towns who allow video gaming; can lower price on food and
beverages and make up with video gaming revenue.
9. Lynn Mitchell, sister of John Mitchell owner of Otto's Bar & Grill, spoke
of competition and customers going to other communities that allow
video gaming; customers looking for the most value for their money; 97%
of people who play video gaming are recreational players; can lower cost
on food and beverages and offset with video gaming revenue; cannot
afford to do any capital improvements at bar such as the $25,000 in
repairs needed for the parking lot.
10. Nicole Malinowski grew up and lives in Lombard; requested the
Village Board lift the ban on video gaming; most people who play video
gaming machines are not addicts; will the Village look at banning alcohol,
cigarettes, or shopping for those people who enjoy smoking, drinking or
shopping; those people who spend money on video gaming also spend
money on other products and food; if people cannot play video games in
Lombard, they will go elsewhere.
11. Ann Mastiodonato requested the Village Board lift the ban on video
gaming; works at O'Neills and Otto's and brings in customers; video
gaming a form of entertainment; Lombard bars cannot compete with bars
in other towns where video gaming is allowed.
12. Marc Cook, part owner of Brauer House, spoke of the disadvantage
for Lombard businesses with the ban on video gaming; asked the Village
Board to lift ban on video gaming and felt it was necessary for survival.
13. Jen Cardelli requested the ban on video gaming be lifted as she
goes to other towns who offer video gaming.
14. Jordan Oprondek works at O'Neills and a bar in Villa Park, and
customers leave Lombard to go to Villa Park to do video gaming; can
bring more customers to Lombard if video gaming is allowed.
15. Kathy Gilroy stated it had been five years since she last spoke about
video gaming; feels businesses who need video gaming to survive, need
a new business plan; felt no one is born an addicted gambler.
16. Colleen Whittington, volunteer with LTC and former business owner
of a business that did not succeed, spoke of businesses benefitting from
someone's losses; residents are split on issue; this matter has been
discussed for years; felt the matter should be put to a referendum; wait to
make decision until after referendum; wait to make decision until after the
new Board members are sworn in.
17. Jennifer Shannon poured heart and sole into business and the
community; allow the businesses to make a decision on whether they
have video gaming or they do not.
18. Cary Weisgram, spoke of great process; inquired about estimated
revenue to the Village; spoke relative to addictions.
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19. John Mitchell, owner of Otto's for 35 years, stated business is really
tough; had to close kitchen; can not compete with $2.00 beers with bars
that have videogaming; building was built in 1918 and needs work; losing
business to towns that allow video gaming; felt compromise was a good
solution.
20. Theresa Brzyinski, works at O'Neill's and is a past LTC Board
member, stated this is about the business and keeping the patrons in
their seats versus having them leave to go to a town that offers video
gaming; businesses need the opportunity to compete; spoke of having
the money to make improvements at the bar; customers want to stay and
spend money in Lombard and not leave to go to other communities;
spoke of being able to keep staff; have tried other avenues to bring and
keep customers that have not worked, and would like to offer video
gaming to their customers.
21. Joel Ragg, owner of Brauer House, many opposed to video gaming,
but this is about small business; people who stop to play video games,
also spend money on food, gas and other items in Lombard; form of
entertainment; people choose to spend their money on whatever they like
and some like playing video gaming machines and it is their choice;
allows business to help with school activities and sponsorships; helps
expand the business.
22. Tami Urish stated she was opposed to video gaming and requested
the Board consider the referendum.
23. Clayton Bernstein, customer at Brauer House, enjoys playing video
gaming machines; gaming brings revenue to businesses; competition
with other businesses that allow video gaming; changing world; gaming
brings more people to business; Lombard great community.
24. Steve Brauer of Brauer House noted gaming terminals are harmless;
video gaming does not decrease property values; gaming is accessible
on phones, laptops and desktops no matter who you are; it is person's
choice to participate or not; bars surrounding Brauer House have video
gaming putting them at disadvantage; would like to be able to compete
with other bars and restaurants; video gaming is harmless entertainment;
employs fifty people and does not want to cut jobs.
25. Jennifer Maercklein, Cub Scout Leader, opposed to video gaming;
raising kids here; keep current ban on video gaming; felt video gaming
was tacky and lowers reputation of community; every dollar spent on
video gaming takes $300 in addiction help; encouraged the Village
Board to have referendum and make the referendum a binding
referendum.
Village Manager Scott Niehaus reviewed Power Point and noted this
was a workshop and no vote would be taken on video gaming tonight.
Any ordinances relative to video gaming would be required to have two
readings without a waiver of first reading. The non-binding referendum
would be held on March 17, 2020.
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Trustee Foltyniewicz asked that the language on the referendum be clear
and should read "should video gaming be permitted in the Village". Staff
requested to change wording on referendum.
Trustee Ware asked that the wording be changed to read "allowed"
instead of "prohibited".
Village Manager Scott Niehaus reviewed information on ordinances
pertaining to liquor licenses and video gaming, and definitions; noted 35
active licenses and availability of licenses; stated liquor license classes
would be changed to add "VG" for a liquor license with video gaming;
there are zero liquor licenses currently with video gaming and each
request would generate a new ordinance allowing for the liquor license
holder to have video gaming for the business; reviewed license fees,
license restrictions, signage, video camera surveillance, alarm systems,
percentage of income from video gaming and liquor, businesses needs
to be in good standing with the Village.
Trustee Reid Foltyniewicz questioned the year waiting period.
Trustee Bill Ware agreed with Trustee Foltyniewicz and also was
opposed to gaming cafes.
Trustee Robyn Pike also agreed to remove the year waiting period.
Trustee Bill Johnston spoke of being fair to all.
Trustee Fugiel spoke of gaming cafes.
Trustee Whittington was opposed to punishing businesses.
Village Manager Scott Niehaus reviewed the $25 license fee; no more
than five terminals per business; draft ordinance with Sunset Clause; no
further action would terminate allowing video gaming as of June 30,
2020, and language would revert back to current language; cannot
assume at this point that the revenue from video gaming would be there
year after year.
Village President Keith Giagnorio thanked the Board members and
noted he was proud that even if the Board members did not agree, they
were able to view the compromise as a way of moving forward for the
coming year. He thanked the committees for reviewing video gaming
from different aspects depending on the committee and the committee's
requested review of a specific aspect of video gaming. He noted the
current Village Board would be voting on this matter, but the new Village
Board would also be reviewing video gaming.
Trustee Whittington felt that the Board was not a Board divided and
would like the new Village Board members to have a vote on the matter.
He noted there were three Board members who wanted the referendum
and three who did not want it. He spoke of the risk for the businesses if
they proceed with submitting an application and all the costs involved to
obtain a video gaming license, not knowing if they would be able to keep
the license after June 30, 2020. He inquired about costs.
President Keith Giagnorio noted that allowing video gaming for
approximately one year would provide the residents, staff and Board
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members time to view video gaming in the community before taking any
other action on the matter next year.
Trustee Reid Foltyniewicz felt there was no ill will among the Board and
he did not want a town divided. He felt the residents had spoken three
different times (2010, 2014 and now) relative to video gaming. He did
not feel a referendum was necessary and he did not want a referendum.
He felt the residents had spoken and felt the Trustees had been voted in
to be leaders for the residents. He noted a compromise had been
reached.
Trustee Robyn Pike felt the Board needed to not just listen to the
residents, but the businesses as well. She asked the Board to be open
and explore all options.
Trustee Bill Ware stated he wants to give the choice to the businesses.
He thanked President Giagnorio for coming up with the compromise and
felt the compromise was a good one. He spoke of the referendum giving
the residents a chance to voice their opinion and by removing the ban at
this time, it was allowing businesses to have video gaming for a year. It
is a compromise for residents and businesses.
Trustee Bill Johnston noted that his position had not changed and did not
feel a referendum was necessary as the Board should just vote on the
matter. He felt it was unfair to the businesses to allow them to have video
gaming with the possibility of not having it after one year. He felt the
Village Board should just vote on the matter.
Trustee Mike Fugiel spoke of the capital outlay that a business would
need to make in order to apply and receive a video gaming license. If
residents want a binding referendum, then they should go out and get the
4,000 signatures needed to have a binding referendum. He felt this was
the path of least resistance.
President Keith Giagnorio asked for direction from the Village Board.
Trustee Bill Ware suggested that both ordinances (one relative to placing
the question of allowing video gaming on the March 17, 2020 as a
referendum and one lifting the ban on video gaming and allowing video
gaming for one year) be placed on the next Village Board agenda -
March 21, 2019.
Trustee Dan Whittington felt the new Board should make the decision.
Trustee Bill Johnson agreed with Trustee Whittington.
Trustee Reid Foltyniewicz asked what the Village Board would be voting
on.
Village President Keith Giagnorio indicated the Board would be voting
on two ordinances - one ordinance placing the question of allowing video
gaming on a non-binding referendum on the March 17, 2020 ballot and
one ordinance lifting the ban on video gaming and allowing video gaming
for a period of one year to June 30, 2020.
All Board members agreed to having two ordinances on the March 21,
2019 agenda.
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A motion was made by Trustee Bill Ware, seconded by Trustee Mike Fugiel,
that staff be directed to prepare two ordinances with amendments as agreed
upon by the Village Board and to place the ordinances on the March 21st
Village Board agenda on Separate Action first reading. The motion passed by
a unanimous vote.
VI Adjournment
A motion was made by Trustee Dan Whittington, seconded by Trustee Bill
Ware, that the Special Meeting of the President and Board of Trustees of the
Village of Lombard held on Thursday, March 7, 2019 in the Board Room of the
Lombard Village Hall be adjourned at 7:51 p.m. The motion carried by the
following vote:
Aye: 6- Dan Whittington, Mike Fugiel, Reid Foltyniewicz, Bill Johnston, Robyn
Pike, and Bill Ware
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Agenda
Village of Lombard
Village Hall
255 East Wilson Ave.
Lombard, IL 60148
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Meeting Agenda
Thursday, March 7, 2019
6:00 PM
Board Room
Special Meeting Board of Trustees
Village President Keith Giagnorio,
Village Clerk Sharon Kuderna,
Trustee Dan Whittington, Trustee Mike Fugiel,
Trustee Reid Foltyniewicz, Trustee Bill Johnston,
Trustee Robyn Pike and Trustee Bill Ware
Special Meeting Board of Trustees Meeting Agenda March 7, 2019
I Call to Order
II Pledge of Allegiance
III Roll Call
IV Public Participation
V Agenda
180450 Video Gaming
Review of a proposed draft ordinance lifting the total ban on video gaming,
and allowing video gaming within the Village of Lombard, but only in regard
to certain liquor license categories and subject to certain terms and
conditions, with a sunset of said limited permissive video gaming on June
30, 2020, unless further action is taken by the Village Board. Review of a
proposed draft ordinance placing an advisory referendum on the March
17, 2020 ballot with regard to video gaming.
Legislative History
10/22/18 Finance & Administration approve as amended
Committee
11/7/18 Public Safety & approved with conditions
Transportation Committee
11/12/18 Community Relations approved
Committee
12/10/18 Economic & Community approved with conditions
Development Committee
1/24/19 Special Meeting Board of continued
Trustees
VI Adjournment
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