Public Safety Committee
Regular MeetingLouisville, KY · November 11, 2020
Minutes
601 W. Jefferson Street
Louisville Metro Government Louisville, KY 40202
Action Summary - Final
Public Safety Committee
Chair Jessica Green (D-1)
Vice Chair James Peden (R-23)
Committee Member Barbara Shanklin (D-2)
Committee Member Barbara Sexton Smith (D-4)
Committee Member Mark H. Fox (D-13)
Committee Member Marilyn Parker (R-18)
Committee Member Madonna Flood (D-24)
Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:30 PM Council Chambers
Call to Order
Chair Green called the meeting to order at 3:33 p.m
Roll Call
Chair Green introduced the committee members and non-committee members
present. A quorum was established.
*NOTE: All committee members and non-committee members present attended
virtually, except for Committee Member Fox who was present in Chambers.
Present: 7- Chair Jessica Green (D-1), Vice Chair James Peden (R-23), Committee Member
Barbara Shanklin (D-2), Committee Member Barbara Sexton Smith (D-4),
Committee Member Mark H. Fox (D-13), Committee Member Marilyn Parker
(R-18), and Committee Member Madonna Flood (D-24)
Non-Committee Member(s)
Council Member Keisha Dorsey (D-3); Council President David James (D-6);
Council Member Paula McCraney (D-7); Council Member Bill Hollander (D-9);
Council Member Kevin Kramer (R-11); and Council Member Cindi Fowler (D-14)
Support Staff
Hollie Hopkins, Jefferson County Attorney's Office
Alice Lyon, Jefferson County Attorney's Office
Clerk(s)
Sonya Harward, Clerk
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Pending Legislation
1. O-481-20
AN ORDINANCE CREATING THE CIVILIAN REVIEW & ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD
AND THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL, AND ABOLISHING THE CITIZEN
COMMISSION ON POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY. (AMENDMENT BY SUBSTITUTION)
Sponsors:Primary Paula McCraney (D-7), Primary Bill Hollander (D-9) and Primary David James
(D-6)
Attachments: O-481-20 V.4 FABS 111920 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and
OIG.pdf
O-481-20 V.3 CABS-CAM 111120 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and
OIG.pdf
O-481-20 V.2 CAM 102820 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and OIG.pdf
O-481-20 V.1 102220 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and OIG.pdf
O-481-20 PROPOSED FABS 111920 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board
and OIG.pdf
O-481-20 PROPOSED CABS 111120 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board
and OIG.pdf
Impetus Statement on Civilian Review Final 11-16-20.pdf
A motion was made by Committee Member Fox, seconded by Committee
Member Sexton Smith, that this Ordinance be untabled.
Enactment No: Ordinance 147-2020
A motion was made by Chair Green, seconded by Committee Member Sexton
Smith, that this item be amended by substitution as shown in the attached
document titled "O-481-20 PROPOSED CABS 111120 Civilian Rev. and Acct.
Board and OIG.pdf."
Council Member McCraney spoke about this item and stated that she was
available for any questions.
Enactment No: Ordinance 147-2020
Committee Member Fox spoke about this item and explained that he had an
amendment to propose regarding the number of hours members of the Civilian
Review and Accountability Board would be required to accompany on-duty
Louisville Metro Police Department personnel on ride-a-longs.
A motion was made by Committee Member Fox, seconded by Vice Chair
Peden, that the proposed amendment by substitution version of this Ordinance
be amended as follows:
- Section 36.76(A) is amended to read as follows: "All newly appointed board
members shall complete:"
- Section 36.76(A)(2) is amended to read as follows: A minimum of forty hours
accompanying on-duty LMPD personnel, made up of:"
- Section 36.76(A)(a) is amended to read as follows: "A minimum of
twenty-four hours completed during two night shifts or a series of night shifts in
varying areas;"
- Section 36.76(A)(b) is amended to read as follows: "A minimum of twelve
hours completed during one day shift or a series of day shifts in varying areas;
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and"
- Add a new Section 36.76(A)(c) to read as follows: "A minimum of four hours
completed with an investigative unit."
- Change "Section 36.76(B)" to "Section 36.76(C)"
- Add a new Section 36.76(B) to read as follows: "After the first year of service
on the board, all members shall annually complete twenty-four hours
accompanying on-duty personnel as outlined in subsection (A)(2) of this
section."
The following spoke to this proposed amendment:
- Council Member Hollander
- Council Member McCraney
- Chair Green
- Vice Chair Peden
- Council President James
- Committee Member Flood
- Committee Member Shanklin
- Committee Member Sexton Smith
- Committee Member Parker
The following was discussed:
- The Ordinance already includes 16 hours of training on other issues and 16
hours of ride-a-longs, which is an increase from the previous 8 hours
- Most Civilian Review Boards do not have the training that is already being
proposed in this Ordinance
- Most Civilian Review Boards have paid staff who also do not have the
amount of training already being proposed in this Ordinance
- It will be hard to find people who want to and are capable of doing the
amount of training that is being proposed in this amendment
- Board members will receive a stipend of $50 per month, no matter how many
meetings they attend per month
- Board members will receive an additional stipend for training they attend
- The increase in training hours will limit the type of people, such as
hourly-wage workers, that can be members on this Board
- The training is not being required for the staff of the Inspector General, but
they should be required to go through the same training or more training
- Proposed change to the amendment to change "varying areas" to "varying
divisions"
- Every major city has a Citizen Review Board except for Louisville and none
require the training that is being proposed in this Ordinance
- Louisville currently has a Merit Board that reviews similar cases and they
have no training
- Jurors who sit on cases involving police matters most often do not have any
type of police training
- Suggestion to make the training coordinate with the 12-hour shifts that police
officers work and require one 12-hour day shift and one 12-hour night shift,
plus the four hours with the investigative unit
- The roll of the Board members will be to oversee the Inspector General/staff,
who are the investigative arm of the Board -- they are volunteers who are not
required to have any type of law enforcement background or any particular
type of skills and must be members of this community
- Emphasis should be on the Inspector General who is responsible for
presenting cases to the Board
- Members of the Board could request additional ride-a-long time if they
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wanted more than 16 hours
- Suggestion to ride in each of the 4 quadrants of the city in 4-hour shifts
- The Office of the Inspector General will be responsible for preparing a
training manual and obtaining the professionals to conduct the training so
specific details about such were left out of the Ordinance
The motion to amend the proposed amendment by substitution version of this
Ordinance carried by the following vote:
Yes: 4- Peden, Fox, Parker, and Flood
No: 3- Green, Shanklin, and Sexton Smith
Enactment No: Ordinance 147-2020
The motion to amend by substitution, which had been further amended,
carried by a voice vote.
Vice Chair Peden spoke to this item and stated that he had a few amendments
to propose.
A motion was made by Vice Chair Peden, seconded by Committee Member
Fox, that this amended Ordinance be further amended as follows:
- Amend Section 36.80 to read as follows: "The Inspector General is not
required to have law enforcement experience, but a person with a criminal
investigation background or background in law enforcement is preferred. The
Inspector General cannot have been employed by the Louisville Metro Police
Department, the Department of Kentucky State Police, a police department
within the Commonwealth of Kentucky, or the Sheriff’s office of any county
within the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Candidates with an educational and
work background in law, criminal justice, investigations, or other relevant
fields are preferable."
The following spoke to the proposed amendment:
- Council Member Hollander
- Chair Green
- Committee Member Fox
- Committee Member Sexton Smith
- Committee Member Parker
The following was discussed:
- This section was already discussed extensively by the work group
- Concern about making substantive changes to the Ordinance that was
created by a work group made up of citizens who represent a cross-section of
society and who spent a long time considering the product they provided
- There is no substantive criteria for the job, as it states what you cannot be but
says very little about what you can be
- Being appointed to the Board requires Metro Council approval
- When recruiting for positions, it is a good idea to leave the criteria as broad
as possible so that there are many possible candidates to be considered to fill
the positions
- The Board will have power over people's lives so there should be more
defined criteria for the position
The motion to amend carried by the following vote:
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Yes: 4- Peden, Fox, Parker, and Flood
No: 3- Green, Shanklin, and Sexton Smith
Enactment No: Ordinance 147-2020
A motion was made by Vice Chair Peden, seconded by Committee Member
Fox, that this amended Ordinance be further amended as follows:
- Amend Section 36.71(A)(4) by adding the following new subsections:
- "(g) Kentucky Association of Chiefs of Police;"
- "(h) United States Attorney for the Western District of Kentucky; and"
- "(i) Kentucky Law Enforcement Council."
The following spoke to the proposed amendment:
- Chair Green
- Council Member Hollander
- Committee Member Flood
- Council President James
The following was discussed:
- What the research says about police policing themselves and what other
cities are doing in that regard
- Unusual to have police organizations appointing members to a Civilian
Review Board
- People who have not worked in a particular field may have a tendency to be
more lenient when making judgments about the actions of someone that
works in that field
The motion to amend carried by the following vote:
Yes: 4- Peden, Fox, Parker, and Flood
No: 3- Green, Shanklin, and Sexton Smith
Enactment No: Ordinance 147-2020
A motion was made by Chair Green, seconded by Vice Chair Peden, that this
amended Ordinance be tabled. The motion to table carried by a voice vote.
Council Member Hollander asked Chair Green if she planned to have a special
committee meeting so that there is more than one hour at a time to discuss
this item, and Chair Green stated that she would check the Committee
Members' availability and see if it is possible to have a special committee
meeting scheduled.
Council Member McCraney spoke about the diligent work of the work group on
the Ordinance and shared her disappointment that Council Members did not
reach out during the process to provide feedback on the working document
before it was presented to the Council but are now requesting changes.
Enactment No: Ordinance 147-2020
2. R-120-20
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AN RESOLUTION URGING METRO GOVERNMENT TO TAKE ALL POSSIBLE STEPS
TO REQUIRE DRUG AND ALCOHOL TESTING OF LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE
DEPARTMENT OFFICERS WHEN CRITICAL INCIDENTS OCCUR.
Sponsors:Primary David James (D-6) and Primary Barbara Sexton Smith (D-4)
Attachments: R-120-20 V.1 091720 Drug Testing for LMPD After Incidents.pdf
This item remained held.
Adjournment
Without objection, Chair Green adjourned the meeting at 4:36 p.m.
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Agenda
601 W. Jefferson Street
Louisville Metro Government Louisville, KY 40202
Meeting Agenda - Final
Public Safety Committee
Chair Jessica Green (D-1)
Vice Chair James Peden (R-23)
Committee Member Barbara Shanklin (D-2)
Committee Member Barbara Sexton Smith (D-4)
Committee Member Mark H. Fox (D-13)
Committee Member Marilyn Parker (R-18)
Committee Member Madonna Flood (D-24)
Wednesday, November 11, 2020 3:30 PM Council Chambers
Call to Order
Roll Call
Pending Legislation
1. O-481-20 AN ORDINANCE CREATING THE CIVILIAN REVIEW &
ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD AND THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR
GENERAL, AND ABOLISHING THE CITIZEN COMMISSION ON POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY (AS AMENDED).
Sponsors: Primary Paula McCraney (D-7), Primary Bill Hollander (D-9) and Primary David James
(D-6)
Attachments: O-481-20 PROPOSED CABS 111120 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and OIG.pdf
O-481-20 V.2 CAM 102820 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and OIG.pdf
O-481-20 V.1 102220 Civilian Rev. and Acct. Board and OIG.pdf
Legislative History
10/22/20 Metro Council assigned to the Public Safety Committee
Action Required By: April 2021
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee amended
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee amended
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee amended
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee amended
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee amended
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee amended
10/28/20 Public Safety Committee tabled
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2. R-120-20 AN RESOLUTION URGING METRO GOVERNMENT TO TAKE ALL
POSSIBLE STEPS TO REQUIRE DRUG AND ALCOHOL TESTING OF
LOUISVILLE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS WHEN
CRITICAL INCIDENTS OCCUR.
Sponsors: Primary David James (D-6) and Primary Barbara Sexton Smith (D-4)
Attachments: R-120-20 V.1 091720 Drug Testing for LMPD After Incidents.pdf
Legislative History
9/17/20 Metro Council assigned to the Public Safety Committee
Action Required By: March 2021
9/18/20 Metro Council assigned to the Public Safety Committee
Action Required By: March 2021
9/30/20 Public Safety Committee held
10/14/20 Public Safety Committee held
Adjournment
Note: Agendas are followed at the discretion of the Chair. While an item may be listed, it does
not mean all items will be heard and/or acted upon by the Committee.
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