CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE
Regular MeetingMilwaukee, WI · February 29, 2012
Minutes
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CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE
ALD. JOSEPH DUDZIK, CHAIR
Ald. Robert Bauman, Ald. Michael Murphy, Ghassan Korban,
Martin Matson, Mark Nicolini, and Mariano Schifalacqua
Staff Assistant: Tobie Black, 286-2231; Fax: 286-3456,
tblack@milwaukee.gov
Fiscal Planning Specialist: Kathleen Brengosz, 286-3926,
kbreng@milwaukee.gov
Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:00 AM Room 301-B, City Hall
Meeting called to order at 9:06 a.m.
Present: Dudzik, Froh, Schifalacqua, Korban, Bauman, Kammholz
Excused: Nicolini
Also in attendance:
Kathy Brengosz, Fiscal Planning Specialist
1. Review and approval of the minutes from the February 8, 2012 meeting.
Minutes were approved as written.
2. Presentation of the Underground Conduit Condition Report.
Individuals appearing:
Karen Rogney, DPW-Infrastructure
Marcia Cornnell, DPW-Infrastructure
Brian Pawlak, DPW-Infrastructure
Regarding an earlier discussion about damage to conduits by drilling, Ms. Cornnell
said that a contractor is responsible for getting a DPW permit. Each permit is
reviewed, and if it crosses an underground circuit line, it is required that the drilled
area be potholed.
Ms. Cornnell and Ms. Rogney presented a PowerPoint on the condition of the
underground conduits (please see the attachment "2012 Conduit Condition Report
PowerPoint" to Council file 111338).
Ms. Cornnell said that there are two distinct conduit systems, Communications and
Electrical. The Communications line provides the line for telecommunications, traffic
control and cable television and is used by various City agencies. The Electrical line
provides a path for high voltage traffic control and street lighting cables. Besides the
conduit system, the department also maintains electrical manholes and
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communication manholes. Ms. Cornnell said that there are a number of reasons for
conduit installations, including curb relocation, bridge reconstruction and significant
grade changes. Conduit installations are also done at the request of Communications
and Traffic Engineering, or in conjunction with paving projects.
Ms. Cornnell explained a typical conduit package and said that there are 564 miles of
conduit in the City. The conduits are currently made with Polyvinyl chloride, or PVC,
pipe, as opposed to the previous materials of iron pipe, clay tile and fiber. She said
that if the clay tile is broken, the conduit can then be fixed with PVC. More than half
of the system is still made of fiber, which collapses when it gets wet and hugs
whatever is in the pipe, which means that the cable cannot be taken out. Fiber is a
difficult material to work with as it constrains what can be done on the conduit paths.
Ms. Cornnell discussed manholes, which often have water in the bottom. Whenever
work is done in a manhole, it has to be de-watered, which adds extra time and cost to
the project.
Ms. Cornnell said that there are 7453 active manholes in the City. These manholes
have aged and the material of which they are made has changed over the years,
ranging from brick to block to pre-cast concrete. Ms. Cornnell said that the block
manholes fail at a greater rate and do not have a rebar system in them. When a
manhole is repaired, the walls of the manhole need to be shored to prevent a
collapse. 35:07The repair of a manhole requires experience and expertise to be
done safely and at a reasonable cost.
Ms. Cornnell said that an inspection database was created in 1988; however,
manholes are not inspected on a regular schedule. She also added that over 50
percent of the manhole inspection reports are 20 years old. The true condition of
manholes may not have been consistently reported in 1988. The department is
standardizing inspections and training staff to make sure that every staff person will
get the same result when inspecting a manhole.
Ms. Cornnell said that in 2011 the section partnered with Sewer Engineering, which
has a regular manhole inspection program with a five-year cycle. Last year, 300
manholes needed to be inspected prior to paving projects. If there was a conduit
system at the paving project, the inspector from the private company could inspect
both types of manholes at one time. The cost of the inspection contract was 24,058
dollars, or 80 dollars per manhole. The cost of the manhole inspections increased in
2012 to 115 dollars per manhole and includes the dewatering of 70 percent of the
manholes.
Ald. Dudzik asked if the manhole inspection was done by private contractors. Ms.
Cornnell said yes and explained that Sewers now outsources the manhole
inspections. Prior to the partnership, city staff do the inspection and make the repair.
Ald. Dudzik asked if private entities, like We Energies, that have manholes do their
own routine inspections and maintenance. Ms. Cornnell said that it would seem
logical, but she can check on it.
Ms. Cornnell said that there are various approaches to setting up a manhole rehab
program. If a typical manhole lasts about 75 years, the City should be repairing or
replacing the manholes every 100 years based on the number of existing manholes.
Historically, manholes are replaced at a 4:1 ratio, so annually 80 would be repaired
and 20 would be replaced. Last year, contractors charged 4700 dollars on average
to repair a manhole and 23,500 dollars to replace a manhole. If a manhole rehab
program is based on condition reports, 400 manholes would be due for repair and
200 would be due for replacement. If a program is based on useful life of 75 years,
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2000 manholes would be replaced at 23,500 dollars each. The City needs to choose
an approach or two that will move the maintenance of the infrastructure forward.
Ms. Cornnell said that last year the committee asked if grant money was available for
manhole rehabilitation. According to the research by the Department of
Administration, typically grant money is available for initial installation of a system, but
not maintenance of a system. She added that grants were not even available for
system installation at this point.
With regard to the budget, Ms. Cornnell said that the key issues are major projects
that are in addition to the regular paving projects, including the Streetcar Project;
developing a manhole inspection program on a five- to ten-year cycle; and
developing a regular replacement and repair program based on condition reports.
Ald. Dudzik asked, given that over 50 percent of the duct packages are from the
1930's to the 1980's, how quickly the fiber duct will need to be replaced. Ms. Rogney
said that the fiber duct is located all throughout the City. Mr. Pawlak said that the
department works with the fiber duct that is swollen and constricted and uses
Roto-Rooter to jet through the fiber duct getting the paper blasted out. He added that
a large percentage of the conduit system has water accumulated in it, but in some
areas without a lot of moisture, the duct is in the same shape as the day it was
installed. Ald. Dudzik asked if it is possible to put PVC pipe in the conduit after it is
Roto-Rootered. Mr. Pawlak said that there is technology called pipe bursting that
splits the grout apart and a high density polyethylene is put in, but relining a small (3")
diameter pipe is not something that he has seen done. Mr. Korban said that the pipe
bursting gives the desired results and it increases the capacity.
Ald. Dudzik asked about the need to separate the Communication and Electrical
conduit systems. Mr. Pawlak said that high voltage systems should not be mixed
with low voltage systems. He said that fiber, because it is not conductive, is put
alongside some high voltage systems, but for the most part they are kept separate.
Mr. Froh asked if Time Warner Cable is paying an adequate amount of money to
occupy the conduit system. Mr. Henke answered that in general there is a lot of
utilization of the Downtown conduits and the rate structure is a flat rate per conduit.
Occupancy rates are based on whether one-third, two-thirds or a whole conduit is
being occupied. In practice, it is difficult to estimate whether Time Warner is using
one-third, two-thirds or a full conduit. Also, there are higher rates for bridge
crossings. There is much less conduit utilization in the rest of the city. If a new
pricing structure is established, rates could be adjusted for development areas (lower
rates) or for the Downtown area (higher rates). Mr. Henke added that a survey was
done back in 1996 on conduit rates, but it might be worthwhile to have a study done
on alternate providers, like AT&T and We Energies, to determine whether the City is
being competitive with its occupancy rates. Mr. Froh said that the concern is that the
true costs of maintaining the conduit system were not really available at the time that
the rate structure was developed.
Mr. Schifalacqua asked how soon there will be a firmer proposal of what funding level
the City should be at for manhole repair. Ms. Cornnell said that the City needs to
have a manhole inspection contract and needs to identify what condition the 75
manholes are in. The cost of the contract will be put together and will be put it into the
2013 budget request. She added that there will eventually be 100 percent inspection
but it will begin with the aged manholes.
3. Presentation of the Communications Condition Report.
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Individuals appearing:
David Henke, DPW-Administration
Brian Pawlak, DPW-Communications
Mr. Henke and Mr. Pawlak presented a PowerPoint on the Public Safety
Communications Program of the Department of Public Works (please see the
attachment "2012 Communications Condition Report PowerPoint" to Council file
111338).
Mr. Henke explained the fiber optic cable installations for some of the water booster
facilities. Being an Enterprise Fund, Water Works pays for the connections directly to
the facilities. However, the fiber is used for multiple agencies, so when a system is
installed, the combined fiber optic backbone is paid for by the Capital program and
the laterals to individual water facilities are paid for by Water Works. Ald. Dudzik
asked why the arrangement with Water Works is not made with all departments. Mr.
Henke said that it is done with other Enterprise Funds, like parking garages and the
Housing Authority. However, the majority of departments are funded under the main
City budget.
Mr. Henke addressed some of the questions that the committee posed last year,
including questions about the copper migration strategy, Department of
Transportation resource sharing, and outsourcing. He said that the fiber optic cable
is the primary backbone of the system and should be utilized for all of the City's major
facilities. If a facility's needs change, it may be converted from copper to fiber optic.
However, copper cabling exists in areas in which there are not high bandwidth needs
or in smaller locations in which providing fiber would not be economical. For example,
water booster stations are currently served by copper, but Water Works wants to add
security cameras and additional items that will increase the bandwidth needs, so
these stations will be wired with fiber optic.
Mr. Henke said that optical fiber will be used for new systems for primary sites.
Copper will be utilized for small runs to the nearest City facility. He added that
existing systems will be migrated to the fiber optic systems when they are upgraded
or replaced.
Mr. Schifalacqua asked if the copper migration strategy is something new that has
been developed over the last year. Mr. Henke said that the policy is a formalization
of existing informal policies and practices. In response to questions regarding the
department's maintenance costs, he added that 310,000 dollars were spent in 2011
as opposed to the 380,000 dollars that were spent in 2010. He said that this does not
mean that the department was getting more for its money but that there was less
reliance on the copper system and some deferred maintenance as well.
Mr. Henke discussed the need for diverse facilities. He gave an example in which a
gas line was drilled straight through an existing communications duct. There were
three such incidents in the past year, including two incidents that impacted fire
houses in which fiber optic cables were lost. In the two cases, there were other
copper facilities available for use until the fiber optic line was repaired.
Mr. Henke discussed resource sharing, specifically with the Department of
Transportation. He said that the agreement with the DOT will be updated this year to
reflect some new sharing for the upcoming Zoo Interchange Project. The City
provides fiber cables to the DOT at several locations around the city, including the
Port of Milwaukee. In exchange, the City can utilize the DOT's fiber and systems to
connect to Miller Park. The City also utilizes the DOT's traffic cameras and road
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sensors to monitor road conditions.
Mr. Henke also addressed the committee's previous questions regarding outsourcing.
He said that there is a question of whether the maintenance of the City's existing
facilities, should they be outsourced, would be managed by another
telecommunications company or if the City would do its own service and provide
service to other businesses and cities. There have been a couple of studies in the
past; one recommended that the City maintain a private network and fiber optic
backbone, which has resulted in what the City has today. The Telecommunications
Act of 1996 led to telecommunications deregulation, which resulted in another study
that determined that the City should lease its conduit space and share resources with
other local organizations. Where there is fiber in place, a cable is installed that may
have 72 or 144 individual fibers, and any unused fibers may be shared with other
organizations around the City, including educational organizations and non-profits.
With regard to outside organizations maintaining the City's network, the flexibility,
responsiveness and seamless design that maintenance with City staff provides
makes it preferable for the City to maintain its own network. Ald. Dudzik added that
the City maintaining its own facilities is also a benefit security-wise.
Ald. Dudzik asked for clarification on providing fiber optics to other cities. Mr. Henke
said that it is not provided to other cities but other organizations, mostly educational
institutions within the City of Milwaukee.
Mr. Schifalacqua said that the committee is interested in condition ratings. He would
like to see some type of condition rating report for the communication facilities,
including the age and the amount of miles of fiber optics. Ms. Brengosz said that
there is inventory information, but there is not a formal policy for how the condition is
rated. Mr. Henke added that an updated condition report for 2011 was submitted,
and is similar to that of last year.
Mr. Schifalacqua said that fiber connections being provided to universities in
exchange for high speed internet access is a good arrangement. He mentioned
another city that provides broadband for its citizens and asked what it would take for
the City of Milwaukee to do something similar. Mr. Henke said that it would take a
great deal of infrastructure and development to do so, particularly to service citizens
and businesses. He said that the other city's program was deployed as part of an
electrical utility upgrade. This means that the other city must run its own electrical,
which is a different circumstance from that of Milwaukee. Also, in 2004, there was a
Wisconsin state law passed barring municipalities from serving citizens or businesses
directly. A legislative change would most likely be necessary to allow the City to
provide internet access.
Mr. Froh said that it would be valuable have a regular program for testing existing
unused fiber. Mr. Henke agreed that this would add value and knowledge to the
inventory assessment and condition report. Mr. Froh also said that a cooperative
venture with an outside entity would allow for providing internet access, even if it
could not be done directly. Ald. Dudzik suggested that the City might be able to
create an Enterprise Fund, like Water Works, for this purpose. Mr. Kammholz asked
if there had been any work done towards using fiber optics to make internet access
available to commercial development and enterprises for economic development
purposes. Mr. Henke said that there had not. However, as part of the City's conduit
leasing agreement, he said that there has been a recent request from Time Warner
Cable to use the City's conduit to install fiber to serve a facility at 32nd and Center
Streets. So there is some development occurring as a result of opening up the
conduit system for leasing.
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Ms. Brengosz asked about the damage that occurs to conduits and asked if all the
instances of damage have been related to directional drilling. Mr. Henke said that
this was the cause in two of the cases in the last twelve months. Mr. Pawlak said that
in a third case, it occurred as a bridge deck was being removed. The bridge deck is
relatively shallow, and the pvc that houses the fiber optic cable was sheared through.
Ms. Brengosz said that there has been some discussion of locating underground
facilities with GIS since there is a greater instance of utilities being hit due to
directional drilling becoming more prevalent. Ms. Brengosz asked how the fiber optic
system is located and if the department has considered using this method. Mr.
Henke said that he is not directly familiar with the locating operations, but said that
the City's records are used to mark the conduits and cabling. He added that if
directional boring is done, potholing is supposed to be done before the work is started
to avoid disrupting the City's facilities. Mr. Korban said that it goes beyond the
marking of the conduits. He said that when directional boring is done, direction is lost
and depth is not being controlled. In some instances, the damage to conduits will
continue to occur.
4. Presentation of the Department of Public Works Buildings Condition Report.
Individuals appearing:
Venu Gupta, Department of Public Works
Paul Fredrich, DPW-Facilities
Sean Schutten, DPW-Facilities
Mr. Gupta presented a PowerPoint giving an overview of the program (please see the
attachment "2012 DPW Buildings Condition Report PowerPoint" to Council file
111338). The assessment provides detail on the condition of assets and what it will
take to preserve and maintain them. Condition assessment reports also play a key
role in developing a long term capital improvements program.
Mr. Gupta said that any good strategic asset management program includes a
seven-step approach. The first step is to determine what the City owns. An
inventory is done of all the building assets; not only the buildings but the details of
each system, the furnishings and anything else that is part of the buildings. Mr.
Gupta said that it is a very meticulous, detailed process.
The second step involves determining what all the assets are worth. For the
buildings, the City uses the insured current replacement value.
Mr. Gupta said that the third step is to determine the status of the assets with regard
to deferred maintenance. The fourth step involves assessing the condition of the
building, including all components. The process for determining the condition of the
buildings is a detailed, intricate process because it involves looking at each building
system and its components a well as roofs, and the exterior of the buildings. He
added that in-house expertise is used to do the assessment of conditions.
The fifth step is to look at functional shortcomings, including changes in building
codes that require system upgrades. For example, using a new technology like
compressed natural gas vehicles requires modification to repair facilities to comply
with the codes. How much funding is needed for the functional shortcomings must
be determined.
The sixth step involves determining the remaining service life of certain building
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components. This leads to the seventh step, which is to determine what the
department needs funding for, what will be fixed first and what will be delayed if
funding is not available. Mr. Gupta said that the department will present to the
committee very comprehensive reports on the buildings that have been inspected this
year.
Mr. Froh said that an eighth component to the asset management program should be
determining how important a facility is and its criticality to City functions. He said that
this involves other entities that are supported by the Department of Public Works.
Mr. Gupta said that this will add more value to the reports.
Mr. Gupta said that a lot of important work is going into the City's facilities and that
well-maintained buildings have a great impact on the vitality of a city.
Well-maintained buildings facilitate important fiscal and public policy processes and
provide cost effective services to the public. He added that funds used to maintain
facilities should be regarded as an investment in asset protection.
Ald. Dudzik said that the City Hall complex buildings seem to have gotten
considerably less clean over the years. He said that with regard to janitorial services,
the number of employees has been reduced by two-thirds. Maintenance of the
buildings, even the inside, should be kept up because it affects the impression made
on people who visit the building.
Mr. Gupta said that Recreational Facilities provide green spaces and active
recreational opportunities. There is a greater emphasis today on having places which
support social and community development. He added that the department is
challenged, with limited funding, to create a wider spectrum of designs to meet more
diverse needs, including more sustainable spaces and more active spaces.
Mr. Fredrich gave presentations on the Facilities Condition Assessment Program and
the Recreational Facilities Program (please see the attachments "FCAP 2011
Buildings PowerPoint" and "2012 Recreational Facilities PowerPoint" to Council file
111338). Mr. Fredrich said that DPW-Facilities controls, operates and pays for the
electric and heat in 70 buildings around the City. This number does not include
libraries, Water Works buildings, Fire Department or Police Department buildings,
Port of Milwaukee facilities or any of the surplus buildings that the City owns.
Mr. Fredrich said that the Facilities Development and Management Section has two
branches. Operations and Maintenance is responsible for the day to day oversight of
the facilities and utilizes various trade personnel. The Design and Construction
branch is responsible for things like major building improvement, strategic asset
management and managing and designing capital projects. The professionals on
staff, such as engineers, work for this branch of the section. Mr. Fredrich said that he
and other staff members are pleased with the oversight provided by the Capital
Improvements Committee. He said that it helps to have a body to which the Facilities
section can be accountable.
Mr. Fredrich said that the (Facilities Condition Assessment Program (FCAP) system
has been refined over the years and it is an extremely comprehensive analysis.
Every component of a building, from the roof and the exterior of the building to the
interior components, is detailed in a very thorough inventory in the FCAP program.
The FCAP is then used to develop a capital budget.
Mr. Fredrich discussed the various organizations that have developed
recommendations and best practices for managing facilities, including the Association
of Higher Education Facilities Officers (APPA), the International Facilities
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Management Association (IFMA), the National Research Council, the American
Public Works Association (APWA) and the U.S. Department of the Interior. He said
that the best of the organizations' recommendations have been integrated into the
FCAP program.
Mr. Fredrich explained that the revised FCAP has two phases, Phase A and Phase
B. During Phase A in 2011, eleven of the twenty building complexes, including the
Central Repair Garage and the Industrial Road Complex, were evaluated. During
Phase B, the remaining nine complexes, including City Hall and the Zeidler Municipal
Building, will be evaluated this year. In 2013, Phase A and Phase B will be combined
into one major portfolio of all of the facilities. This will result in a very thorough
understanding of the condition of all the buildings and the cost to maintain acceptable
levels of repair.
Ald. Dudzik asked why funds are being spent on the Forestry South Headquarters
when there has been a discussion about getting rid of it. Mr. Gupta said that since
the building is still being used, funds still have to be spent to maintain it. He also said
that the department will determine what the long term plans are for the building
before a capital request is made. Mr. Fredrich added that if the department sees that
a facility has deferred maintenance that exceeds its value, it helps to decide if there
should be a reorganization.
Mr. Schutten explained the process of how the department develops each individual
report in the Facilities Condition Assessment Program and how it will be used as a
tool in the future. A physical analysis comprised of a physical inspection, component
inventory, condition assessment and photographic documentation is performed.
Next, a financial analysis, including cost estimation with the help of third-party
software and project scheduling based on the twenty-year plan, is performed. The
third step involves using outside sources. Consultants are used to evaluate building
components such as roofs and electrical systems. Reviewing building occupants and
usage also provides valuable information on building conditions. The fourth step is
the development of a report that contains all of the compiled information.
Mr. Schutten discussed the capital budgeting spreadsheet that details the predictable
and expected twenty-year capital projects. Mr. Fredrich added that this type of report
not only details the buildings condition but serves as a reminder that the building
needs to be inspected at a certain point in the future.
Mr. Schutten used the Lincoln Avenue Complex as an example when displaying the
detailed analysis in a program report. The report gives details on every building in
the complex itself. Mr. Fredrich used building control components at the Lincoln
Garage as an example. He said that there are number of mechanical deficiencies
associated with the building, which is based on the useful life of the building
components and the remaining useful life of components. One of the deficiencies
involves the installation of a compressed natural gas facility. Mr. Fredrich said that
the code will require a specialized working environment in order to do repairs on
compressed natural gas vehicles. This is a need, but it is shown as a deficiency. Mr.
Fredrich said that the report is a snapshot in time of a facility that illustrates the
deficiencies that exist in the facility and how they affect the overall condition of the
facility.
Mr. Froh mentioned that the committee requested that DPW work to integrate the
buildings that are maintained by other City agencies into the same system DPW uses
for building evaluation. Mr. Fredrich said that the department is working with the
Police Department to evaluate their seven districts, a total of eleven buildings. He
also said that DPW is working with the Port of Milwaukee, which has twenty buildings.
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Mr. Gupta said that the challenge is that resources are limited and the process for
collecting data is still very intensive. He said that there is a substantial cost
associated with the process as well. Mr. Gupta added that the work must be done by
in-house staff as well as outside consultants and other third parties. The department
is hoping to have a standardized approach to the process that is adaptable and can
be used for all City facilities.
Mr. Korban said that it is important for the committee to recognize that different tools
are being used by various departments and should decidel, for the purpose of
consistency and standards, which tool to use. Mr. Friedrich agreed and emphasized
the industry standards that the department tried to adapt and bring into the FCAP.
He also said that consistency and continuity with inspection team are important.
Mr. Fredrich said that the FCAP is in compliance with the national standards that
have been established by many well-known entities. He added that the FCAP is the
central location for all of the facility information and it documents the condition
assessment of each component of the buildings. The FCAP is also a tool to
strategize the capital budgeting program. Mr. Fredrich said that there is an attempt to
get the economies of scale combining similar building projects into the bid packages.
He also said that the FCAP is a living document. Mr. Fredrich said that the FCAP
needs to be maintained, so there are plans to assess twenty percent of buildings
every year so that each building will be thoroughly reviewed on a five-year cycle.
Mr. Kammholz said that some of the information that DPW-Facilities has provided is a
little bit subjective as it depends on what the department is counting as deferred
maintenance. He added that the committee was initially established to be focused on
infrastructure. Mr. Kammholz said that for a long period of time the City focused on
buildings and facilities and less on infrastructure like Streets. When one looks at the
Debt Outstanding and the principal requirements, it is clear where the money is being
spent and not necessarily where is should be going. If one looks at the outstanding
principal requirements, there are 176 million dollars over a fifteen year life for
buildings alone. This number excludes the buildings maintained by the Police
Department and Fire Department. Looking at the figures for Sewers, there are only
53 million dollars outstanding. For Sewers, it is 36 million dollars, and for Streets it is
114 million dollars.
Mr. Kammholz said that the department can come up with data, but it is still the
department investigating the facilities and coming up with a huge deferred
maintenance number that will end up crowding out what can be reasonably spent on
Streets, Sewers and other infrastructure that the public uses more directly. Mr.
Kammholz said that it may be useful for a set dollar amount to be given to DPW
every year for facilities and the department can handle maintenance. This approach
means that the department can prioritize deferred maintenance. The entire capital
budget could be spent on buildings based on the department's data, and there would
be nothing left for other infrastructure.
Mr. Kammholz asked the department about setting allocations within a certain dollar
amount instead of data driving budget requests. Mr. Gupta said that it would be more
of a policy decision. As to the allocation of available dollars, the department is trying
to show the needs for the buildings. He added that once the actual conditions of the
buildings are shown, it provides the tools to the department to prioritize. The
department can decide, based on conditions, what should be fixed first, so the value
of the FCAP is there. How many dollars would be needed to support a certain level
of conditions for the buildings would be a policy decision.
Mr. Kammholz explained that the DPW-Facilities is far ahead of other sections when
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it comes to defining its needs, which means that its improvements can be scheduled
out into the Capital Budget. Condition information is still being obtained from Streets
and other infrastructure classes that the public uses. Because of the level and
amount of data that Facilities has obtained, Facilities can define its needs more
easily, which could result in other infrastructure being left behind with regard to
distribution of funds for maintenance. Mr. Kammholz added that he is not suggesting
that maintenance on buildings be deferred; however, there needs to be a broader
perspective in which there is a focus on infrastructure classes first and there is an
alternate way of approaching some of the building deferred maintenance.
Mr. Schifalacqua said that for the last twenty years, there has been a cash
conversion policy and there was a lot larger cash component to Streets and Sewers
than there was to Buildings. He said that the numbers quoted by Mr. Kammholz does
not accurately show the amount of money that was actually spent on capital. Also,
with regard to giving the department a lump sum of funds to maintain the buildings,
Mr. Schifalacqua said that the budget for Facilities is maintained through Program
Accounts, which means that the City budgets a certain amount of money in a
program and the department prioritizes its needs.
Mr. Kammholz said that funding Sewers and Sewer Maintenance have been
borrowed since 1999 when the Sewer Maintenance Fund was created. He said that
one can see that there is a significant difference. With regard to the Infrastructure
Cash Conversion policy, borrowing was deferred, but oftentimes the focus on cash
within the capital program itself reduced the amount of capital because there was a
focus on the tax dollar levy and not necessarily on deferred maintenance. Mr.
Schifalacqua said that the amount of capital spent on the restoration of City Hall may
have lead to the large amount of money that has been spent on Buildings as opposed
to Streets.
Mr. Kammholz reiterated that infrastructure is what the committee should be focusing
on and that every million dollars that is spent on deferred maintenance of buildings is
not being spent on other classes of infrastructure. Ald. Dudzik added that there will
always be one building that requires a large amount of capital. Mr. Schutten said that
the annual amount of capital that Facilities receives is reported in the FCAP, which is
one of the benefits of the system. All of the projects can be prioritized so there will be
level and predictable budget requests in the future once the portfolio is combined.
5. Presentation of the Recreational Facilities Condition Report.
Individuals appearing:
Venu Gupta, Department of Public Works
Paul Fredrich, DPW-Facilities
Sean Schutten, DPW-Facilities
Mr. Friedrich presented a PowerPoint on the Recreational Facilities (please see the
attachment "2012 Recreational Facilities PowerPoint" to Council file 111338). He
explained that DPW maintains and operates 61 play areas while Milwaukee Public
Schools (MPS) maintains 34 play fields. He added that MPS has a very
comprehensive maintenance program. However, by ordinance, DPW is required to
reconstruct all 95 play areas and fields if needed.
The Condition Report being presented to the committee includes the assessment of
half of the play areas for which DPW is responsible with the other half being
assessed this year. Mr. Fredrich explained that there are three steps in the condition
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assessment process. The first step involves a field inspection to evaluate each site
and an evaluation form is completed. Industry Best Practices are then applied to the
data to identify each of the various components of the recreational facilities, and the
FCI is calculated. The third step involves using the condition assessment to develop
the Six-Year Plan.
Ald. Dudzik asked about the 30th and Fardale site. Mr. Fredrich said that the site,
which was donated to the City to be developed into a recreational site, needs a great
deal of work, including clearing, cleaning and development. Ald. Dudzik said that
given the fact that Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requirements must be taken
into consideration at all of the recreational facility locations, he would be interested to
see what is done with the location as the area has changed somewhat since its
inception. He said that he is not sure that a passive recreational facility in that
location would be able to follow the ADA requirements. Mr. Fredrich said that the
department will work with the Budget Office to determine if the 30th and Fardale site
is a priority that can be afforded. Overall, Mr. Fredrich said that the recreation sites
that were assessed are in good to fair condition.
Ms. Brengosz asked if the department is using the same FCI scale for recreational
facilities that is uses for the buildings. Mr. Fredrich said yes. Ms. Brengosz then said
that if the value of a recreational facility is somewhat lower than a building, is seems
as though doing routine maintenance on it or doing smaller things would result in a
higher FCI when the facility might not actually be in poor condition. She asked if it is
appropriate to use the same scale for two different types of infrastructure. Mr.
Fredrich said that the same FCI is used to maintain consistency when communicating
with the committee. The FCI is just a relative indicator of a building's overall
condition. But he said that it is a good point because much of the value of the
recreational sites is in its land as opposed to in the building.
6. Set next agenda.
The next meeting is March 21st. There will be a discussion of the debt targets.
Meeting adjourned at 11:12 a.m.
Staff Assistant Tobie Black
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