CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE
Regular MeetingMilwaukee, WI · July 9, 2012
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City of Milwaukee Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE
ALD. JOSEPH DUDZIK, CHAIR
Ald. Robert Bauman, Ald. Michael Murphy, Ghassan Korban,
Martin Matson, Mark Nicolini, and Mariano Schifalacqua
Staff Assistant: Tobie Black, 286-2231; Fax: 286-3456,
tblack@milwaukee.gov
Fiscal Planning Specialist: Kathleen Brengosz, 286-3926,
kbreng@milwaukee.gov
Monday, July 9, 2012 9:00 AM Room 301-B, City Hall
Meeting called to order at 9:06 a.m.
Present: Matson, Bauman, Dudzik, Schifalacqua, Froh, Korban
Excused: Nicolini
Also in attendance:
Kathy Brengosz, Fiscal Planning Specialist
1. Review and approval of the minutes of the May 23rd meeting.
The minutes were approved as written.
2. Presentation of the Sewers Condition Report.
Individuals appearing:
Tim Thur, Environmental Engineering, DPW
Ald. Jim Bohl, 5th District
Mr. Thur gave a presentation of the Sewer Condition Report (please see the
attachment "Sewer Condition Report PowerPoint" to Common Council file 111338).
Mr. Thur said that the City has 2453 miles of sewers. The system is composed of
three types of sewers, sanitary, storm and combined sewers. Combined sewers,
which transport both sanitary waste and stormwater runoff, are found in the City in an
area bounded roughly by Lake Michigan, Hawley Road, Capital Drive and Oklahoma
Avenue.
Approximately 75% of the City’s sewers are under 21” in diameter. The larger
diameter sewers tend to be storm and combined sewers. Most of the sewers that are
more than 90 years old are in the combined area. Although they are beyond their
useful life many of them are still in good condition. Many were made of brick which
tend to hold up well as long as they get regular maintenance. Some are actually in
better condition than the sewers made of early concrete pipe.
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Mr. Thur said that most of the capital program for sewers is allocated to the Relief
and Relay program. The Inflow and Infiltration (I/I) program receives funding from
MMSD in addition to City funding. Funding from MMSD which allows the City to do
work on private property is anticipated to continue through 2017. The Water Quality
program addresses the requirements of the City’s water quality permit. The budget
for this program is relatively modest but pending regulatory changes could
dramatically affect this program.
Mr. Thur said that the amount of sewers that are replaced using open cut methods
has remained about the same and the amount that have been rehabilitated using
lining has increased dramatically. The ten year average for sewer lining is 21 miles
per year. The four year average is 34 miles. Ald. Dudzik asked if the department
totals include the lateral lining that is being done in the pilot area near Cooper Park.
Mr. Thur replied that the sewer mains in the pilot area are included but the laterals
are not.
Mr. Thur said that 219 miles of the sewer system are over 90 years old. The City has
been able to address some of the backlog of old sewers by increasing the sewer
program in recent years. Mr. Thur added that this level of replacement may not be
sustainable. Not all sewers can be relined as some may be too deteriorated or too
small hydraulically to make lining feasible. If the City runs out of sewers that are
good candidates for lining, the City may have to return to open cut replacement.
Mr. Thur said that there are a number of different ways that sewer mains are
identified for replacement. The City develops an index rating for sewers over 50
years old based on a physical examination of the sewer using closed circuit television
cameras. The pipe is given a rating based on the type of defect and the severity of
the defect. Hydraulics, backwater history and input from sewer maintenance staff are
factored into the index rating. The rating scale is from 0 to 100. Sewer mains that
receive a score in the 30 to 40 range or even the low 50s will be scheduled for
replacement.
The sewers on all paving projects are examined regardless of age or index rating. If
the sewer is older than 80 or 90 years it will be replaced even if the index rating is
good. Mr. Thur said that his department has improved its coordination with the
Transportation section of Infrastructure Services to avoid cutting new pavement, but
he acknowledged that it does happen from time to time.
Mr. Thur discussed the non-compliant meter sheds that are part of MMSD’s 2020
Facilities Plan. Using monitoring and modeling, MMSD calculated allowable flow
rates out of the meter sheds and determined that Milwaukee has 15 non-compliant
meter sheds. Flows in those areas must be reduced by reducing I/I. Most of the
non-compliant meter sheds are in the separated sewer area. Mr. Thur said the
department is working with neighboring communities to address the deficiencies in
meter sheds that cross municipal boundaries.
Mr. Thur explained that non-compliant meter sheds have been prioritized by how far
over the allowable flow limits they are and by the number of basement backups in the
area. The department’s strategy is to line sewer mains and rehabilitate manholes to
make sure that the public side isn’t causing the problems. If the system is close to
the flow limit, that may be enough to bring it into compliance. If the flow rate is
significantly higher than the limit, private property work would probably be required.
Mr. Thur said this could include lateral lining, foundation drain disconnection or both.
Mr. Korban added that the department cannot just put in a bigger pipe to
accommodate the excess flow because MMSD won’t allow it. Mr. Thur agreed. Ald.
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Dudzik asked if the condition of the mains in these areas will allow for lining. Mr. Thur
said that he expected that about 95% of the mains will be lined.
Mr. Schifalacqua asked how Milwaukee’s compliance compares to the suburbs. Mr.
Thur said that there are between 40 and 45 non-compliant meter sheds. Most of
them are in Milwaukee but Milwaukee also has most of the system. The suburbs that
are further away from Milwaukee, like Franklin and Brookfield, generally don’t have
non-compliant meter sheds because they are fairly new. Closer suburbs like
Wauwatosa, Greenfield and Greendale have their share of non-compliant meter
sheds.
Mr. Korban said that the biggest challenge will be funding the private property work if
the system can’t be brought into compliance with main lining. Mr. Thur agreed. He
said that the Cooper Park pilot project is being done with MMSD funding, but there is
not enough money to do all the meter sheds. He added that decisions on cost
sharing with MMSD or property owners as well as the voluntary versus mandatory
nature of the program will have to be made.
Mr. Thur said that water quality standards are mandated by the federal government
under the Clean Water Act. In Wisconsin, the Dept. of Natural Resources has
regulatory authority to oversee compliance. MMSD is developing limits for the
amount of phosphorus, sediment (TSS) and fecal coliform that will be allowed to
enter the City’s waterways and total maximum daily loads (TMDL) will be established
for four watersheds: the Menomonee River, the Kinnickinnic River, the Milwaukee
River and the Milwaukee River estuary. TMDLs have already been established for
the Rock River and the lower Fox River. The regulations will apply to the entire
watershed, not just the portions in Milwaukee. Mr. Thur added that MMSD expects to
have a draft to the DNR by September 2012, TMDL limits finalized by December
2012 and an implementation plan in place by 2013. He also said that MMSD may be
a few months behind schedule.
Mr. Thur said that the City is using bio-swales, rain gardens, catch basins, street
sweeping, wet ponds and grass swales to remove sediment. For monitoring
purposes, the removal of TSS is a proxy for phosphorus removal. So the city’s TSS
practices will result in phosphorous reduction benefits.
Mr. Thur said that the biggest maintenance challenge has been litter that collects in
the 27th Street bio-swales. Litter hasn’t been as much of a problem at other sites
because the swales are generally located in the median not the tree border. Mr. Thur
also said that detention ponds are effective for reducing sediment but finding a large
enough site is a challenge. The department worked with neighbors at Hartung Park
in addressing safety and aesthetic concerns to create a 2 ½ acre detention pond.
Mr. Thur said that bacteria is more of a challenge. The main source of bacteria in
urban areas is likely to be leaky sanitary laterals.
Mr. Korban asked how effective the bio-swales are and what other measures the
department is going to use to meet the proposed TMDL limits. Mr. Thur responded
that the bio-swales are very effective. They can reduce TSS by 80% which equates
to a 40% reduction in phosphorus. The problem is that they drain smaller areas so
you need more of them and there are maintenance costs involved. The City could
also use porous pavement to reduce TSS. He added that it is challenging to add
enough green infrastructure within a built environment to meet the target goals.
Mr. Schifalacqua. asked how up-to-date sewer inspections are. Mr. Thur responded
that sewers that are less than 50 years old are typically not inspected. As the sewer
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ages it is inspected more frequently. A sewer inspection report is considered to be
reliable for about five years. Over the last 20 years, the department has inspected all
sanitary and combined sewers that are over 50 years old, but some have not been
looked at in 10 or 15 years. Mr. Thur said that he would forward the inspection
schedule to the committee.
Mr. Froh said that when MMSD was created many interceptor sewers were turned
over to them, but the City still has a significant amount of large sewers. He asked if
the City can sell them to MMSD. Mr. Thur said no. He added that MMSD is trying to
give back between 75 and 100 miles of sewers that they feel don’t really fit the
definition of inceptor sewers.
Ald. Bohl asked how the department coordinates sewer projects with paving projects.
Mr. Thur said that the department uses the information from the Engineering Letters
to schedule sewer exams. If the sewer is somewhat questionable, the department
will line it. He added that sometimes the sewer looks okay when it is inspected but
the construction activities may have an adverse affect on its condition. In that
situation the City may have to replace it two or three years down the road.
Ald. Bohl asked about the life expectancy of lined sewers. Mr. Thur replied that the
City currently anticipates a 50 year life expectancy. However, based on the
performance history of installed liners, the industry is now saying that liners may last
between 75 and 80 years. Mr. Thur said he believes that a range of 50 to 75 years is
reasonable. Mr. Korban added that in response to comments made by the committee
last year the department looked at lined sewers that were 25 years old. There was
some discoloration but overall they were in good condition.
Mr. Schifalacqua asked Mr. Thur what his prediction was for the future of the sewer
program. Mr. Thur said that he anticipates growth in the program to address the
peak years of sewer construction after the war. In some years, between 60 and 70
miles of sewers were constructed. He also said that construction prices have been
favorable recently so even if construction levels remain constant, the program will
become more expensive as prices return to more normal levels. Mr. Schifalacqua
said that the post war building boom is going to come due in the next 10 to 15 years
and Mr. Thur agreed. He also said that the quality of the sewers built in the 1950s
may be questionable. Ald. Dudzik asked if the problem was the quality of the
materials or the workmanship. Mr. Thur said that it may have been a bit of both.
There was so much work being done because of the housing shortage that shortcuts
may have been taken.
Ald. Dudzik asked if the industry has looked at how materials from sewers and linings
ends up in the waterways over time. Mr. Thur said that MMSD does testing and
monitoring and they haven’t brought those types of concerns to the City’s attention.
It’s possible that it could be an issue in the future but the department hasn’t heard
anything yet. Ms. Brengosz said that contamination concerns are more related with
construction practices not the degradation of the lining material over time.
Ms. Brengosz asked if it is feasible for the department to inspect sewers that are over
50 years old every 5 years. Mr. Thur said that it would be very expensive to do that
as it would require the hiring of additional staff or consultants. He said the
department may be able to accelerate the inspection schedule somewhat, but that
doing them every five years would not be the best use of available funding.
Ms. Brengosz asked if there will be a formal process for evaluating bio-swales and
other storm water projects. Mr. Thur said that there is an existing form for detention
facilities which the City inspects every couple of years. Similar forms could be
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developed in the near future for other types of facilities. The department will also
create a database to monitor their on-going condition.
3. Presentation of the Parking Condition Report.
Individuals appearing:
Cindy Angelos, Department of Public Works
Sean Schutten, Department of Public Works
Ms. Angelos and Mr. Schutten gave a presentation on parking operations of the five
City-owned parking structures (please see the attachment "Parking Condition Report
Presentation 2012" to Common Council file 111338).
Ms. Angelos said that in the early 2000’s a consultant study was done of all the
engineering needs at the City’s parking garages. There was a long list of projects
that have now been completed and every year the City conducts a structural
inspection of the garages. Now that those projects are done, DPW is reviewing
mechanical and electrical needs and incorporating them into the capital plan.
Mr. Schutten said that 2011 was the first year DPW did an evaluation of the parking
structures using the Facility Condition Assessment Program (FCAP). So this is the
first year that the department can do an update analysis through the FCAP. DPW
and Parking staff reviewed the condition of parking elements and the status of
proposed capital improvements. He added that when DPW Facilities began
evaluating the structures there were no outstanding capital repairs or deferred
maintenance.
Mr. Schutten said that there are three structures that will have capital projects this
year. The structure at 2nd & Plankinton will have structural repairs and elevator
replacement. The 4th Street and 1000 N. Water Street garages will both have
structural repairs. He added that the facilities condition index (FCI) is the ratio
between expenditures and the value of the property. The range for the FCI is 0
through 0.1. Zero through 0.05 is good, 0.05 through 0.1 is fair and above 0.1 is
poor. After completing the anticipated projects the FCI for all three structures will be
in the good range. Mr. Schifalacqua asked if the same basis is used for the parking
garages as for other City buildings. Mr. Schutten answered yes.
Ald. Dudzik asked if the disagreement with the other owner of the 1000 N. Water
Street structure been resolved. Ms. Angelos responded that the City owns the
parking garage and Mr. Palermo owns everything else, including the office tower,
rights to the 2nd office tower and the credit union space. Mr. Palermo has talked
about purchasing the garage – but not recently.
Ald. Dudzik asked if Mr. Palermo participates in the capital costs for the garage. Ms.
Angelos said no. The City shares costs for the common areas, such as the State
Street lobby back to the parking garage elevators and the stairways between the 1st
floor and the garage space.
Mr. Schutten said the department did an overview of expected expenditures over the
next twenty years. When comparing last year to this year, three significant changes
were found.
1. At the 2nd & Plankinton structure there was an increase of $1.2 million over 20
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years relating to the helical exit ramp. A new membrane with a 6 year life will be
installed to prolong the overall life of the structure. This represents the
implementation of an on-going maintenance program where one did not exist before.
2. The inspection at the 1000 N. Water Street structure revealed that the fire
suppression system was starting to rust. The capital program added coatings to the
system and deleted the replacement of sprinklers resulting in a savings of $2 million
in the long run.
3. A review of the MacArthur Square plan revealed that certain capital expenditures
had been counted twice resulting in an inflated estimate of the 20 year costs.
Mr. Froh asked how parking revenues compared to planned expenditures. Ms.
Angelos answered that each structure has different usage rates. Overall parking city
wide has been down. The City has been meeting or exceeding revenue projections
at all the garages except one. Revenue at the 4th and Highland structure was
adversely affected by the shortened NBA season.
Mr. Schifalacqua inquired about other infrastructure elements for parking like surface
lots and meters. Ms. Angelos replied that DPW will be inspecting those elements
next year. She added that the surface lots provide very limited amounts of revenue
and that the City does not maintain as many surface lots as it used to. In the last
eight or nine years, approximately ten surface lots have been sold.
Mr. Schifalacqua said that in the future, the committee would like to see inventory,
condition and revenue information for the other parking infrastructure.
4. Discussion of future agenda items.
Ms. Brengosz presented a memo regarding potential future agenda items (please see
the attachment “Memo to CIC Re Future Agenda Items” to Council file 111338).
Ald. Dudzik asked the committee if they would like to take any of the items up at
future meetings.
Ald. Bauman asked if the review of the Police Department’s request for information
(RFI) for a new records management system (RMS) was properly under the purview
of the committee. Mr. Froh indicated that he did not think it was.
Ms. Brengosz said that the Police Department did make a capital request for a new
RMS system. This would evaluate new information available for the request that the
committee already reviewed in April.
Mr. Schifalacqua said that he would like to see a briefing on the Mayor’s Proposed
2013 Budget after it has been presented. Ms. Brengosz said that the most likely date
for such a presentation would be October 5th. That date would be after the
presentation of the Mayor’s budget and before the beginning of the Finance and
Personnel committee’s budget hearings.
Mr. Matson said that the first and second items from the memo, a report on revised
debt limit projections from the Comptroller’s Office and a briefing from the Budget
Office on the 2013 Capital Budget, should be taken up at the same time.
Mr. Froh said that at the last neighborhood meeting in his area, the new County
Supervisor, David Cullen, presented a five year financial forecast for the county. He
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said that the forecast is somewhat grim and Mr. Froh noticed that they were projected
a downward trend for capital improvement.
Mr. Froh said that a forecast from the Budget Office like the one presented by Mr.
Cullen would be useful. This type of report would go hand in had with the debt
service.
Ald. Dudzik asked what was on the agenda for the July 25th meeting. Ms. Brengosz
replied that Milwaukee Water Works is scheduled to present its condition data.
5. Set next agenda.
A condition report from the Water Works is scheduled.
A DPW report on the status of the residential paving audit may be scheduled as well.
Meeting adjourned at 10:14 a.m.
Staff Assistant Tobie Black
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