CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE
Regular MeetingMilwaukee, WI · June 25, 2014
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200 E. Wells Street
City of Milwaukee Milwaukee, Wisconsin
53202
Meeting Minutes
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
COMMITTEE
ALD. ROBERT BAUMAN, CHAIR
Ald. Nik Kovac, Ald. Michael Murphy, Ghassan Korban,
Martin Matson, Mark Nicolini, and Mariano Schifalacqua
Staff Assistant: Linda Elmer, 286-2231
Fax: 286-3456, lelmer@milwaukee.gov
Fiscal Planning Specialist: Kathleen Brengosz, 286-3926,
kbreng@milwaukee.gov
Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:00 AM City Hall, Room 301-B
Meeting convened: 9:15 A.M.
Members present: Ald. Kovac, Mr. Froh, Mr. Schifalacqua, Mr. Matson, Mr. Nicolini
(arrived at 9:21) and Mr. Korban (arrived at 9:24)
Members excused: Ald. Bauman
1. Review and approval of the minutes from the June 4, 2014 meeting.
Mr. Matson moved for approval of the minutes. There were no objections.
2. Presentation of the Sewers Condition Report.
Mr. Tim Thur discussed the condition of the City’s sewer system. He said that there
are 2,461 miles of sewer. The central part of the city is served by combined sewers.
The rest of the city is served by separate sanitary and storm sewers. He said that
sanitary sewers tend to be smaller in diameter because they only convey the sewage
coming from businesses and homes. Combined and storm sewers are much larger
because they are designed to handle the storm water runoff.
Ald. Kovac asked if the intercepting sewers were separate or combined. Mr. Thur
said the intercepting sewers are in both the combined and the separate sewer area.
Mr. Schifalacqua said the deep tunnel system takes overflows from both the separate
and combined sewer areas. Mr. Froh asked if the City gave its large sanitary sewers
to the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District (MMSD). Mr. Thur said that the City
turned over combined sewer overflows to MMSD in the late 1980s or early 1990s .
He said the City still owns some large diameter sanitary sewers. He said MMSD is
considering returning some sewers if they only serve one community. Mr. Thur said
the City might object to taking some sewer segments back if they don’t fit the
definition of a local sewer.
The committee discussed a handout showing a breakdown of sewers by age. Ald.
Kovac noted that a large portion inventory is nearly 90 years old. Mr. Thur said that
only a small amount of sanitary sewers are over 90 years old because not much
sanitary sewer was put in before the 1910s. Mr. Thur said the biggest surge in
construction was the post WWII era. He said that the materials in that era were not
as good as the older materials and the department is finding that the concrete pipe is
failing at an earlier age. He said that the Milwaukee Water Works is having the same
problem with its water mains. Ald. Kovac asked about the condition of pipe installed
in the 1920s. Mr. Thur said a lot of it is concrete pipe with some of the larger sewers
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constructed using brick. He said it is starting to look old and porous with some
cracking. He said they are typically good candidates for lining. He said that most of
them are in a ring just outside the combined sewer area. Ald. Kovac asked if it was
possible to chart how much sewer was constructed each year and how much of that
construction remained. Mr. Thur said yes.
Mr. Thur discussed the inspection process and schedule. He said the department
uses a closed circuit TV camera to inspect the interior of the pipe. He said large
diameter pipes can be physically inspected by crews. He said the department
inspects about 145 miles per year and that sewers less than 50 years are not
typically inspected unless there have been backwater complaints or it is scheduled
for paving. He said the department always does an exam prior to paving.
Mr. Thur said that sewer replacement has increased recently because the
department has been doing more lining projects. He said that 2015 will probably
have fewer miles because there are several larger diameter relay projects. He said
that funding has been stable but the level of work varies from year to year by project
type. Mr. Thur said the biggest challenge is about 15 years down the road when we
will need to start replacing the sewers that were constructed in the 1940s and 1950s.
He said that there are about 80 or miles of sewers that are still active for those years.
He said that if the current investment rate can be maintained for the next 10 or 15
years the City should be in good condition. He said the department prioritizes
replacement based on condition, not just age. He said that older sewers will be left in
place until their condition warrants replacement.
Mr. Thur discussed some of the projects being undertaken in 2014 and 2015. Mr.
Nicolini asked for background on the Dineen Park project. Mr. Thur said that area
around Dineen Park has flooded repeatedly over the years. He said the problem is
largely caused by topography. He said that the area is far enough away from Lincoln
Creek that it’s not a flood plain issue. The area just north of the park is bowl shaped
and naturally collects water from the area. He said the sewers that were installed in
the 1920s may be somewhat undersized, but that installing bigger sewers to move
the water faster was not a good solution because it would cause flooding issues
downstream. He said developing water storage was a better option but that there are
few places large enough because the area is well developed. Mr. Thur said that a
joint study done last year with the Sewerage District, the City and the County
identified storage in Dineen Park as a good solution. The specifics of the project are
still being discussed with the County and the local residents. He said that goal is to
create something that will be beneficial for flooding but that is still of use to the
neighborhood.
Mr. Froh asked about the number of basement backups reported after the recent
rains. Mr. Thur said that between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning the City
had about 3” of rain and there were about 95 reported basement backups. He said
the rain event in 2010 caused thousands of backups.
Mr. Thur described the private property Inflow and Infiltration (I&I) program. He said
MMSD provided funding for two sewer lateral lining projects, one in Cooper Park and
one in the Clemens neighborhood (Capitol, w/o 36th Street). The Clemens project
had 86% participation and lined 351 laterals. There was no cost to the property
owner. Flow meters will allow the department to evaluate the project’s impact on the
timing of the flow as well as the quantity. The Cooper Park project, which included
sewer main lining, is showing about a 45% reduction in I&I. Additional work in the
Cooper Park area includes the removal of foundation drains on 86th Street from
Center to Chambers. There are 61 homes eligible for this project. It is a voluntary
program and so far 30 of the 61 homes have signed up. The goal is 80%
participation. The project is expected to go to contract in August. Participation may
be lower because, unlike the lateral lining project, homeowners must provide access
to the interior of their home. Mr. Thur said that there is no cost to the homeowner
unless the home’s electrical service needs to be upgraded from 60 amps to 100
amps. Mr. Thur said that the average cost to disconnect a foundation drain and
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install a sump pump is between $6,000 and $7,000.
The committee discussed lift station and by-pass pumps. Mr. Thur said there are 7
lift stations and 83 by-pass pumps. By-pass pumps are generally in low lying areas
that have experienced backwaters and overflows in the past. Mr. Schifalacqua said
by-pass pumps may also be needed in areas where soil conditions adversely affect
drainage. Mr. Thur said the pumps typically only operate during heavy rain events.
Mr. Nicolini asked how many of the by-pass pumps are in good condition. Mr. Thur
said that most of them are in good condition. He said that most of the pumps were
installed in the early 1970’s and have an overall useful life of about 20 years. He said
that since 2007 many sites have had the pump or the manhole or both replaced. He
said that the department is doing 6 major rehabs this year and 4 next year. Mr. Thur
said that a private firm that inspects the pumps monthly. He said that during the first
few years the inspectors found a lot of little issues. This year, one site needed some
minor corrections. He said the department does an annual wet test which includes
isolating the manhole and filling it with clear water to make sure that all the
components are working. Ald. Kovac asked if the pumps created the liability for a
recently settled lawsuit. Mr. Thur said it wasn’t the pumps themselves, it was the flap
gates associated with some of the pumps which are intended to prevent surcharging
water from getting back into the system. He said that the lawsuit claimed that the flap
gates were not maintained well enough and that led to backwaters. He said that not
all by-pass pumps have flap gates. Ald. Kovac asked if using the by-pass pumps
was a violation of the City’s discharge permit. Mr. Thur said that the City does not
want to have overflows, but given the choice between creating basement backups or
creating an overflow, we go with the overflow. Use of the by-pass pumps during
larger rain events should not be a problem for the Department of Natural Resources
(DNR). If the pumps would operate in dry conditions or in small rain events, the DNR
would be concerned. Mr. Schifalacqua asked if all the pumps are still necessary. Mr.
Thur said that from an engineering standpoint, some pumps might no longer be
needed. He said he could not recommend removal of any of the pumps because
there is always a bigger storm than you anticipate and keeping water out of people’s
basements is critical. Mr. Korban agreed. Mr. Thur estimated that the department
spends about $500,000 each year to inspect and maintain the pumps. Ald. Kovac
asked if there was record of when each pump operated. Mr. Thur said yes. He
added that some pumps haven’t run in many years.
The committee discussed water quality and green infrastructure. Mr. Thur said that
the DNR is reviewing the amount of total suspended solids (TSS), phosphorus and
bacteria that can be discharged into various bodies of water. The City should find out
later this summer what reductions will be required. Some communities along the Fox
River are being required to reduce TSS and phosphorus by 50% or 60%. He said the
City will have 15 years to comply with the reductions. Mr. Nicolini asked if
phosphorus was driven by agricultural activity. Mr. Thur said that agriculture does
contribute a significant portion but that there are urban sources of phosphorus
including pet waste and leaves. Mr. Thur said that the department is using a number
of strategies to reduce TSS, phosphorus as well as the volume of storm water run-off.
He said the department began employing these strategies in 2008. Mr. Thur said,
that in 2014, bio-swales will installed as part of the state paving contract. He said
that the bio-swales don’t qualify for the 80/20 cost sharing from the state so the City
will have to pay for them. He added that combining the installation with the paving
project is more efficient and reduces costs. Mr. Nicolini suggested that adding cost
sharing for bio-swales would be a feasible item to propose for the legislative package.
Ald. Kovac asked if all municipalities could be required to install bio-swales. Mr.
Korban said that all municipalities are subject to the same DNR rules and that most
have been implementing similar methods of capturing storm water within their
infrastructure. Mr. Thur said the strategies communities use will depend on the type
and density of development within the community. Mr. Nicolini said that the
interceptor sewers facilitated the movement of many manufacturing jobs and the
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resulting development has created a lot of imperious area which has increased the
demand on both interceptor and local sewers. Mr. Thur said that the City is also
using various types of porous pavement on a small number of projects in parking lots,
parking lanes, alleys and sidewalks. Mr. Nicolini asked if the high clay content in the
soil that is typical in many areas will be problematic. Mr. Thur said that porous
pavements are constructed on layer of gravel that is designed to hold a certain
amount of water. He said that drains are installed to make sure that too much water
doesn’t collect under the pavement.
3. Presentation of the Parking Condition Report.
Cindy Angelos, Rich Stolhoff and Sean Sutton from the Department of Public Works
came to the table.
Ms. Angelos discussed the condition of the City’s parking facilities. She said that
annual inspections are performed by parking personnel and structural engineers.
She said the overall Facility Condition Index (FCI) was very good. She said there
were no “poor” ratings and the “fair” ratings were being addressed in the capital plan.
Ms. Angelos described projects at various parking structures. At 2nd & Plankinton,
concrete repair and painting projects are on schedule. Next year, two elevators will
be replaced. At 4th & Highland, a façade inspection found no problems. At 1000 N.
Water, no significant projects are planned until 2016. At MacArthur Square, electrical
and fan work is required. At Milwaukee & Michigan, a façade inspection was
completed.
Ald. Kovac asked for the revenue and expenditure history from each structure. Ms.
Angelos she said that the department doesn’t budget expenditures separately for
each structure. She provided the following revenue information for 2013; Mac Arthur
Square, $3.5 million; 1000 N Water, $1.4 million; 2nd & Plankinton, $751,000;
Milwaukee & Michigan, $572,000; 4th & Highland, $755,000.
Ald. Kovac said the 4th & Highland structure was one of the lowest performing
structures on a per space basis. Ms. Angelos said that the revenue was relatively low
because there is very little daytime use. She said the City just signed a valet parking
contract with A Loft so the revenue should increase. She also said that revenue was
down because of the Bucks performance. Ald. Kovac asked if that could be
documented. Mr. Korban said that the City is also working with the Moderne to lease
space. Mr. Schifalacqua asked if the revenue figures include the leased restaurant
space. Ms. Angelos said no.
Ms. Angelos said that the department is repaving the tow lot which is in poor
condition. She said one third of the lot will be paved each year to minimize the
disruption to operations. She said the surface lot at Downer and Park will be
resurfaced this summer because it is in bad shape.
Ms. Angelos discussed the LUKE multi-space parking meters. She said that it is
impossible to quantify how much more money the City has made because of its
investment in LUKE meters but that on a per transaction basis, many people will max
out whatever the time limit the meter has. Previously people would put in whatever
change they had with them. Ms. Angelos said that later this year the department will
install a pay by phone system which will work on all the spaces and that the
department is testing single space credit card meters.
The committee discussed the MacArthur Square structure. Ms. Angelos said that it is
expensive to maintain because it is an older structure and because it is built into the
ground. She said this causes issues with leaking, dampness and carbon monoxide.
Ald. Kovac asked if was have there was enough capital maintenance required that
the City might want to consider replacement. Ms. Angelos said the City was not
behind in maintenance. Mr. Korban said that if a redevelopment plan for the
MacArthur Square was proposed, the department would assess its expenditures
accordingly.
Ms. Brengosz asked for a list of the surface parking lots and their current condition.
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Ms. Angelos said she would provide one to the committee.
Meeting adjourned: 10:39 A.M.
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200 E. Wells Street
City of Milwaukee Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Meeting Agenda
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COMMITTEE
ALD. ROBERT BAUMAN, CHAIR
Ald. Nik Kovac, Ald. Michael Murphy, Ghassan Korban, Martin
Matson, Mark Nicolini, and Mariano Schifalacqua
Staff Assistant: Linda Elmer, 286-2231
Fax: 286-3456, lelmer@milwaukee.gov
Fiscal Planning Specialist: Kathleen Brengosz, 286-3926,
kbreng@milwaukee.gov
Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:00 AM City Hall, Room 301-B
1. Review and approval of the minutes from the June 4, 2014 meeting.
2. Presentation of the Sewers Condition Report.
3. Presentation of the Parking Condition Report.
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