ETHICS BOARD INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE
Regular MeetingMilwaukee, WI · August 10, 2020
Minutes
200 E. Wells Street
City of Milwaukee Milwaukee, Wisconsin
53202
Meeting Minutes
ETHICS BOARD INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE
PATRICIA HINTZ, CHAIR,
Bradley Kalscheur, Vice-Chair
Michael Kruse, Whitney Maus, Clarence Nicholas, Kathleen
Johnson, and Emily Mueller
Staff Assistant, Molly Kuether-Steele, 286-2775
Fax: 286-3456, molly.kuether-steele@milwaukee.gov
Legislative Liaison, Alex Highley, 286-8661,
Alex.Highley@milwaukee.gov
Monday, August 10, 2020 1:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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The meeting convened at 1:36 PM
Individual also present:
Asst. City Attorney Peter Block
Present: 7 - Hintz, Kalscheur, Maus, Nicholas, Mueller, Johnson, Kruse
1. Discussion and vote on whether to suspend Board Rule III, Art. II, Sec. 1, regarding
meeting in closed session.
The Chair stated she's asking for waiver of this rule for today's meeting because the
discussion is procedural in nature.
The Chair moved, seconded by Mr. Nicholas to suspend Board Rule III, Art. II, Sec. 1
for today's meeting. There were no objections.
2. Discussion of procedural questions pertaining to the investigation of Commissioner Steven
DeVougas.
The Chair gave a brief background of the complaint filed by Dale Bormann against
Commissioner Steven DeVougas. She also discussed the Board rules and procedures
pertaining to investigations.
3. Discussion regarding what specific items that Committee members wish to be included as
part of the investigation of Commissioner Steven DeVougas.
The Chair stated there needs to be clarification in what capacity Commissioner
DeVougas was serving in during the August 2019 police interview. She added that the
Committee should review the interviews conducted by Former US Attorney Mel
Johnson.
Ms. Johnson stated she would also like to review the information retrieved by Mr.
Johnson.
The Chair stated she would like to review documents and tax records regarding
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Commissioner DeVougas' income as it relates to the Haywood Group.
4. Discussion and vote relating to hiring an outside investigator and/or prosecutor with regard
to the investigation of Commissioner Steven DeVougas.
The Chair recommended hiring an outside investigator for the first allegation because
this investigation will involve an extensive amount of time and there is no expertise in
investigations. Mr. Kalscheur agreed that the Committee could review the financial
documents pertaining to the statements of economic interest addressed in allegations
#3-4.
The Chair moved, seconded by Mr. Nicholas to hire an outside investigator for
allegation #1 of the complaint. There were no objections.
5. Discussion and vote on the issuance of subpoenas or ordering of depositions with regard to
the investigation of Commissioner Steven DeVougas.
The Chair stated in the interest of time, the Committee should issue subpoenas to
Commissioner DeVougas for financial records as they pertain to allegations #3-4 in the
complaint.
The Chair moved, seconded by Ms. Johnson to prepare subpoenas directed to the Fire
and Police Commission for the video and transcript of the August 2019 interview at the
Sojourner Family Peace Center, and the reports of interviews the 17 witnesses
conducted by Mel Johnson during his investigation for the Fire and Police
Commission. There were no objections.
ACA Block asked members to contact him with any further items they would like to
subpoena to be discussed at the next meeting.
6. Discussion relating to source of funds for the investigation of Commissioner Steven
DeVougas.
Ms. Kuether-Steele stated the Committee will need to send a letter to the Budget
Office asking for funds from the Special Purpose Account.
The Chair stated the Committee will need to solicit recommendations from the City
Attorney's Office for investigators and outside counsel.
7. Discussion relating to the potential timeline of the investigation of Commissioner Steven
DeVougas.
The Chair stated the timeline will be better determined once an outside investigator is
contracted. She added that the timeline is months and not weeks. She stated that at
the next meeting she would like to interview potential investigators.
8. Set next meeting date(s).
The next meeting was set for the week of September 7th.
The meeting adjourned at 2:28 PM.
Molly Kuether-Steele
Staff Assistant
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Meeting Agenda
ETHICS BOARD INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE
PATRICIA HINTZ, CHAIR,
Bradley Kalscheur, Vice-Chair
Michael Kruse, Whitney Maus, Clarence Nicholas, Kathleen
Johnson, and Emily Mueller
Staff Assistant, Molly Kuether-Steele, 286-2775
Fax: 286-3456, molly.kuether-steele@milwaukee.gov
Legislative Liaison, Alex Highley, 286-8661,
Alex.Highley@milwaukee.gov
Monday, August 10, 2020 1:30 PM Virtual Meeting
To participate in the meeting please register at
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/8930364691463647501
1. Discussion and vote on whether to suspend Board Rule III, Art. II, Sec. 1, regarding
meeting in closed session.
2. Discussion of procedural questions pertaining to the investigation of Commissioner Steven
DeVougas.
3. Discussion regarding what specific items that Committee members wish to be included as
part of the investigation of Commissioner Steven DeVougas.
4. Discussion and vote relating to hiring an outside investigator and/or prosecutor with regard
to the investigation of Commissioner Steven DeVougas.
5. Discussion and vote on the issuance of subpoenas or ordering of depositions with regard to
the investigation of Commissioner Steven DeVougas.
6. Discussion relating to source of funds for the investigation of Commissioner Steven
DeVougas.
7. Discussion relating to the potential timeline of the investigation of Commissioner Steven
DeVougas.
8. Set next meeting date(s).
The Board may convene into closed session, pursuant to s. 19.85(1)(b), Wis. Stats., to consider the dismissal,
demotion, licensing or discipline of any public employee or person licensed by a board or commission or the
investigation of charges against such person, and the taking of formal action on any such matter. The Board
will then reconvene into open session as authorized by s. 19.85(2), Wis. Stat., to continue with the remainder
of the agenda.
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As the number of members of the Ethics Board Investigation Committee constitutes a quorum of the full Ethics
Board, this meeting also simultaneously constitutes a meeting of the full Ethics Board. No actions, other than
the actions identified in the above notice will be taken by the full Ethics Board, other than information gathering.
NOTE: a) Members of the Common Council, and members of its Standing Committees who are not
members of this Committee, may attend this meeting to participate or to gather information. Therefore, notice
is given that this meeting may constitute a meeting of the Common Council or any of its Standing Committees,
and must be noticed as such, although they will not take any formal action at this meeting. Times for specific
agenda items are estimations. If items cannot be heard at their specified times, they will be heard as soon as
practicable thereafter.
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Council Services Division ADA Coordinator at 286-2998, (FAX)286-3456, (TDD)286-2025 or by writing
to the Coordinator at Room 205, City Hall, 200 E. Wells Street, Milwaukee, WI 53202.
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Ordinances are required to register with the City Clerk's Office License Division. More information is available
at www.milwaukee.gov/lobby or by calling 414-286-2238.
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