WORKFORCE ORGANIZATIONAL REFORM COMMITTEE
Regular MeetingMilwaukee, WI · January 14, 2016
Minutes
200 E. Wells Street
City of Milwaukee Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Meeting Minutes
WORKFORCE ORGANIZATIONAL REFORM COMMITTEE
ALD. RUSSELL STAMPER, II, CHAIR
Ron Roberts, Vice Chair
Lori Lutzka, Nikki Purvis, and Dan Thomas
Staff Assistant, Chris Lee, 286-2232, Fax: 286-3456,
clee@milwaukee.gov
Legislative Liaison, Andrew VanNetta, 286-2253,
avanne@milwaukee.gov
Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:30 AM City Hall, Third Floor, Room 301-A
1. Call to Order.
Meeting called to order at 10:31 a.m.
Present 5 - Thomas, Roberts, Purvis, Stamper and Lutzka
2. Roll Call.
Members made brief introductions.
Participants present:
Mark Kessenich (WRTP/Big Step), Commissioner Rocky Marcoux (DCD), Andrew
VanNatta (LRB), Aaron Szopinski (Mayor's Office), Sharon Robinson (DOA), Rhonda
Kelsey (DOA), Earl Buford (MAWIB), Kathy Block (CAO), Fred Royal (NAACP), Rob
Henken (Public Policy Forum), Tony Perez (HACM), Doug Day (PPF), Joe
Peterangelo (PPF), Tony Kearney (Northcott)
Other individuals in attendance:
Sarah Zarate (10th Ald. Dist.), Scott Stange (DCD), Michelle Kaczmarowski (OSBD),
Marge Piwaron (DNS), Chris Kraco (DNS), Maria Rodriguez (HACM), Evans Grant
(HACM), Jennifer Meyer (MPL), Antoine Miller (OSBD), Dontreal Teague (OSBD),
Angela Mitchell (OES)
3. Review and Approval of the Previous Meeting Minutes from December 14, 2015.
Mr. Roberts moved approval with the amendment to strike out the first sentence of
Mr. Royal's comment at the bottom on page 2, due to being inaccurate information,
as stated by Mr. Lee. Mr. Thomas seconded. There were no objections.
4. RPP Presentation from the Public Policy Forum.
Mr. Henken, Peterangelo, and Day from the Public Policy Forum (PPF) distributed a
copy of an outline to members and gave an overview of their RPP study.
The PPF, in partnership with NAACP, submitted a proposal in response to a RFP
from the Greater Milwaukee Foundation last summer and was awarded to conduct a
study to look at RPP and maximizing inclusion and opportunities for unemployed city
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residents into the construction industry. The study is not an audit but will be a nice
complement to WORC in providing some context of what expectations should be.
The study will have a broad policy approach looking at program components,
community participation objectives, factors leading to the meeting of goals, and
successes and challenges from other cities. The study will examine the current
context of development opportunity relative to labor trends, employment and
unemployment trends, and upcoming project opportunities for city residents. RPP
programs will be examined relative to their purpose, creation, and history. The study
will examine RPP data and outcomes of projects after the M.O.R.E. ordinance, such
as the Northwestern Mutual project, relative to success, employment, demographics,
ladders of opportunity, and apprenticeship inclusion and implementation. Other
programs in the City, such as HUD Section 3 and Uplift Milwaukee Program, and
programs beyond the City will be examined for similarities, differences, and lessons
to learn from.
More details of the overview can be found in the attachment entitled “Public Policy
Forum RPP Outline” within Common Council File Number 151345.
Ald. Stamper inquired about recommendations from the study and examining
opportunities to develop a pipeline from RPP training. He added that PPF should
review other publications, such as the “Market Green Report” and the City’s audit,
and include the City of Orlando in its research.
Mr. Buford made comments. The City of Orlando’s RPP program does not connect
at the apprenticeship level. PPF should also look at a 1990 NAACP report entitled
“Discriminatory Practices of Building Trades”.
Ms. Lutzka questioned the selection of cities to research for the study.
Mr. Henken, Day and Peterangelo replied. Pre-apprenticeship or training to prepare
people to be eligible for apprenticeship will be studied as well. Program components
relating to target groups, monitoring, compliance systems, and thresholds will be
studied. The study will reveal much variation across the country, such as target
groups, and characteristics contributing to successful programs. Programs with clear
goals, a development system, long-term strategies, and apprenticeships are some
characteristics of successful programs that the study is beginning to reveal. PPF will
do due diligence to see what the best practices are by studying cities both locally and
nationally. Some of those cities include Minneapolis, Madison, San Francisco, Los
Angeles, and Portland. The study will be produced in a way for the public to
understand, and recommendations will be forthcoming in April or May this year.
Mr. Perez commented. He is hopeful that any study will attempt to imbed local
strategies to improve apprenticeship and expectations. In terms of looking at metrics,
apprenticeship trade numbers in the state was abysmal from a few years ago.
Finding a universal solution is elusive due to the unpredictable human condition or
behavior.
Ald. Stamper said that everyone should remain optimistic in the current efforts for
reform. There is opportunity to make training and apprenticeships possible by putting
together a program in place rather than just holding people accountable.
Mr. Buford said that the real issue of getting people into an apprenticeship is the lack
of retention, completion, and graduation, especially among minorities and women.
There is no funding to address this issue in the training world. State numbers show
that 50% of all state apprentices drop out, and numbers go up to 70-75% for women
and minorities. This issue is something that the workforce cannot solve or train for.
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The issue is bigger than the workforce. People do not complete apprenticeships for a
variety of reasons, such as childcare problems and infighting with project managers.
Ald. Stamper asked that PPF research paid training as a component of successful
apprenticeships and RPP programs. Also, PPF should attend and assist in recruiting
participants for the next WORC community meetings in February.
Mr. Kearny of Northcott Neighborhood House and Mr. Kessenich of Big Step &
WRTP appeared and discussed training, apprenticeships, and RPP certification.
Mr. Kearny said that Northcott’s Milwaukee Builds program is an adult training
program that was converted from an existing youth builds program eight years ago.
The program is for adults aged 24 years and older. The program has trained adults
with pay in construction and deconstruction. CDBG grants and other projects pay for
the trainees. MAWIB provides salaries for journeymen trainers. Workers are RPP
certified by WRTP. Many of the workers come out of prison. 77% are former felons.
The program has helped make employment viable for these workers as well as
revitalize communities. Northcott is giving excellent training, access to unions, and
access to licenses for these individuals. However, serious screening is done.
Northcott desires those that are committed to put in the time and complete the
program.
Mr. Kearny said that one issue of the program is the lack of long term resources or
funding to ensure retention or assist in completion of apprenticeships for these
workers. Currently, the organization, in partnership with MAWIB, can only track and
monitor workers for 18 months. Many times the workers get lost in a loop after their
employment on a project ends.
Mr. Kearny added that there will be an upcoming 40 housing unit project through
Gorman & Company that workers will be able to go to school and work through
MATC in plumbing, electrical, and HVAC for a period of 15 months. 40 people are in
the program. 40 will graduate. 60 more will be employed full time. Paid training
ranges from $11.50 to $17 per hour. All workers are RPP certified by WRTP.
Mr. Kessenich said that there needs to be an apparatus in place, either with front-end
training or long term tracking, to deal with people who cannot be certified due to
verification issues. RPP is focused on the most at-risk population. Most of this
population have been incarcerated, do not have a permanent residence, and cannot
produce the required mail that matches their identification in order to be certified.
Certification is not a stamp it program.
Mr. Kessenich said that WRTP has assisted people in overcoming hurdles to become
certified by requesting letters from correctional institutes and teaching a person to get
mail at their current address from utility companies or from someone who is
verifiable.
Mr. Kearny added that Northcott has also assisted by working with child support
services to send letters since many of the individuals are fathers.
Mr. Thomas said that DPW has used an affidavit for applicants to verify their
residency in instances where a piece of mail cannot be provided. An applicant may
submit some type of document, such as a lease, of the person who she or he is living
with. That person can affirm that the applicant is living with him or her. DPW will
check the applicant’s affirmed residency on the back end and will remove any
individuals from the program if the affirmed residency proves false.
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Ald. Stamper said that WRTP may have to be the lead agency to solve the frontend
verification problems in RPP certification. He added that the issue of unrecognized
agencies engaged in certification will be fixed.
Ms. Purvis said that WRTP should provide a list of these issues to the committee.
Mr. Roberts said that DNS, in its deconstruction industry, has hired and referred
employees to Northcott to obtain the required certification. In return, Northcott
provides contracting opportunity and payment so the programs can continue. DNS
does not do certification but rather has qualified agencies to assist in certification.
Mr. Kessenich said that another challenge is the ability to vet that contractors have
active training programs for individuals to acquire skills and become employable for
the next project.
Ald. Stamper inquired about apprenticeship opportunities and requirements in
development contracts.
Mr. Buford replied. Apprenticeships vary in two different ways. Union
apprenticeships are based on the market demand from contractors and may only
have a certain amount of apprenticeships per year based on that demand. For
non-union apprenticeships, contractors can match up with eligible candidates who
have applied and received a letter of being an eligible candidate.
Commissioner Marcoux responded that there are no apprenticeship requirements for
development agreements under state law, but DCD can require the use of
apprenticeship and monitor that use in its developer agreements; however, DCD can
only request the use of the maximum number of apprentices but cannot determine
the exact amount of apprentices. The maximum number of apprentices is governed
by the number of journeymen on site. The number of journeymen on site varies by
project and workforce size at any given time for a particular trade.
Mr. Buford said the journeymen-to-apprentice ratio is key. Journeymen are the
experts, run the projects, and hire apprentices. The ratio is a reverse pyramid,
inward ratio rather than an outward ratio, such as 9, 5, or 2 journeymen to 1
apprentice ratios.
Mr. Kessenich added that the construction industry has always performed better on
the issue of apprenticeships than other industries. There have been a very limited
number of apprentices in the last seven years. Most places are presently seeing a
boom in apprentices, and there is real opportunity to make an impact policy-wise.
5. Overview of RPP, SBE & LBE Programs.
Ms. Lofton gave a PowerPoint overview presentation on the City’s workforce
development and economic participation programs relative to RPP program target
group, purpose, eligibility and certification criteria, requirement thresholds,
administrating departments, governing legislation, non-compliance, public works
contracts, development agreements, performance tracking, and successes.
The substance and details of Ms. Lofton’s PowerPoint overview presentation can be
found in the attachment entitled “Overview of RPP SBE LBE Programs” within
Common Council File Number 151345.
Members and participants discussed RPP certification expiration period.
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Ms. Lutzka said that there should be no expiration period of 5 years. The certification
period should be indefinite as long as individuals remain city residents to build the
pool and pipeline of eligible workers.
Mr. Roberts said that the expiration period should remain to allow for new people to
be certified. The focus of the program is on at-risk residents who are unemployed
and need assistance. After five years, individuals should be independent enough to
become journeymen and find jobs on their own.
Ms. Purvis said that the target audience is the underemployed and unemployed, but
opportunities should remain for journeymen who are still unemployed for a variety of
reasons.
Mr. Thomas said that DPW still possesses its list of certified individuals, and the list
has not been purged. The five years is based on an individual working on a covered
contract and not from the point of certification. He concurred with Ms. Lutzka that
being successful shouldn’t eliminate individuals from participation in the program.
Mr. Royal said that perhaps there can be a waiver from the expiration period for
those individuals who are at a certain amount in poverty.
Mr. Buford said that the list of certified persons should be reviewed in the future to
identify skills, qualifications, and individuals who have not progressed into the
construction industry.
Ald. Stamper said that the committee should continue to think about the RPP
certification period.
Members and participants discussed RPP voluntary participation in city departments.
Ms. Lofton stated that voluntary participation of some departments depends on the
scope and size of a project and department.
Mr. VanNatta said that there is no hard mandate in the city code requiring all city
departments to have a RPP program relative to contracts.
Mr. Roberts said that some projects make sense for DNS to hire a labor force while
other projects do not. DNS hires 10-25 city residents through Northcott to work on
housing deconstruction projects, but a labor force is not required for a one-man
demolition project. He added that perhaps one recommendation should be to
mandate the RPP program for all departments as legally appropriate.
Ms. Block said that procurement for RACM and perhaps certain city departments,
such as the Library and Port, cannot be mandated to engage in RPP participation on
their contracts due to state laws that govern those departments or entities.
Ms. Robinson said that there should be ways to incentivize and encourage those
departments or agencies with legal restrictions to still hire city residents. She added
that the Library is willing to participate in RPP.
Commissioner Marcoux said that DCD has used the power of persuasion to achieve
RPP results with RACM contracted projects even though RACM is not required to do
so. Century City is an example of a RACM project with impressive voluntary RPP
and SBE participation. There are alternative ways for procurement, such as city
departments contracting on behalf of RACM.
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Mr. Buford said that the Department of Transportation, through its ASP1 provision
and since 1995, and MMSD, to some degree in its capital project in 2006 and 2007,
gets money back every hour that a hired worker, from their training certification,
works.
Ald. Stamper made comments. A RPP mandate may work for instances of planned
contracts but may not work for emergency situations that require an immediate
response, such as water main breaks. Ms. Block should examine which city
departments have the legal flexibility to require RPP participation. An incentive
measure can be to give more points or preference in future projects to those
developers who have succeeded in RPP participation.
Members and participants discussed RPP reporting and code revisions.
Mr. VanNatta said that one of the code revisions to standardize administrative
procedures is to standardize reporting by having one entity as a depository for
information, one standard format for reporting, and one record keeping system
across programs. He added that he is working on a draft to reorganize the code to
consolidate all programs into one chapter with subchapters for each specific
program. The substance would not change. The draft is still being vetted and can be
forwarded to the committee for review at a future meeting.
Mr. Roberts said that standardizing reporting with one depository agency to collect
and present data on behalf of all departments is a great recommendation.
Members and participants discussed sanctions for RPP non-compliance and waivers.
Ms. Lutzka said that there can be monetary or other sanctions for each developer
agreement contract that are not in compliance with RPP participation requirements.
Payment can be retained as a penalty, and that money can theoretically go back to
the City to use to create RPP in other capacities; however, that situation has yet to
occur. Another penalty can be to ban a developer from getting a future contract.
Mr. Thomas said that there should be uniform guidelines regarding non-compliance
measures, especially regarding the amount or percentage to withhold payments, and
those guidelines should be codified. There should be the ability to have discretion,
on a case by case basis, to apply a sanction or penalty. There should be a variety of
penalty options depending on the circumstances. DPW has withheld payments as a
sanction measure.
Ald. Stamper said that sanctions and penalties should be uniform for all contracts and
can vary based on different factors, such as project size and type of contract.
Ms. Robinson and Mr. Thomas said that incentive measures should also be
standardized across contracts. Perhaps contractors can bank hours that are
performed above the participation requirement and use those hours for another
contract.
Ms. Lofton said that further clarification is needed regarding contractors putting forth
a good faith effort to meet RPP participation requirements.
Commissioner Marcoux said that for waivers, DCD looks at whether the specific work
can be done for that trade. There has been compliance mostly with RPP participation
in DCD’s developer agreement projects and little to no waivers given. One way to
fulfill participation requirements is to have those requirements done on other projects
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from the same developer who has failed to meet those requirements.
Mr. Roberts suggested that similar to SBE, departments should be able to send
contractors to one agency or department to deal with waivers for those contractors
who fail to meet RPP participation requirements. DNS has done this by sending SBE
contractors to OSBD to obtain waivers.
Members concurred with Mr. Roberts.
Members and participants discussed LCPTracker RPP performance tracking and
training.
Ms. Robinson and Ald. Stamper said that LCPTracker is now the central depository
moving forward for the collection of RPP data for all city departments engaged in
mandatory or voluntary RPP program participation, including DNS.
Ms. Purvis said that LCPTracker tracks workforce data by utilizing certified payroll
reports. Contractors are responsible to submit that information and to identify RPP
certified workers. Demographic data are included. There can be access to real time
data on current projects being monitored. Some time is required for the system to
add project data and develop a list to be considered for a pipeline. Webinars by
LCPTracker are utilized for private development projects currently. Trainings are
also held and organized by OSBD. OSBD is working with DPW regarding data
collection training. MMSD offers training, too.
Ald. Stamper said that the City’s RPP program is working but needs to be tightened
and improved to better the impact on the lives of city residents.
Ms. Purvis continued with the presentation relative to SBE program governing
legislation, purpose, contracting percentage goals, certification criteria, monitoring,
and compliance.
The substance and details of Ms. Purvis’ PowerPoint overview presentation can be
found in the attachment entitled “Overview of RPP SBE LBE Programs” within
Common Council File Number 151345.
Members and participants discussed SBE certification.
Some members were concerned that SBE may be in competition with local
businesses due to SBE certification being open to the contiguous United States.
Ald. Stamper said that there be local preference given to local SBE businesses.
Ms. Purvis said that there was a policy change in 2013 to open SBE certification to
the United States. Prior to that, SBE certification was restricted to a local four county
area. About 300 firms are SBE certified. 10% of applications are from outside the
City. The majority of SBE certified firms are within the local four county area.
Oftentimes, there is difficulty finding local SBE firms to perform a service. The policy
change allows for the recruitment of SBE firms outside of the City to fulfill contracts
while still being inclusive of small businesses and entrepreneurs.
Ms. Block said that there is sort of built-in local preference for SBE certification since
one of the four disadvantaged SBE certification criteria referenced in Ch. 370 of the
code is in regards to business location. In theory, nonlocal firms could meet the other
three disadvantaged criteria: social, education, and employment. There used to be
five disadvantaged criteria but now there are four. The ordinance was amended after
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the race and gender neutral program.
Ms. Kelsey continued with the presentation relative to LBE program governing
legislation, purpose, business criteria, city department requirements, RFPs, and
public work contracts.
The substance and details of Ms. Kelsey’s PowerPoint overview presentation can be
found in the attachment entitled “Overview of RPP SBE LBE Programs” within
Common Council File Number 151345.
Ms. Kelsey gave further comments. The removal of the LBE program on public
works contracts had a significant negative impact on local outcomes. There were
only two LBE firms that were awarded contracts in 2014. Her office do award
contracts to local businesses outside of the LBE program.
Members discussed the difference between the SBE and LBE programs.
Ms. Kelsey said that the LBE program applies only at the prime contracting level and
is more of a bid incentive program to increase local businesses. SBE is a
certification program for small businesses and can apply at both the prime and
subprime contracting levels. LBE is only for City businesses where local businesses
have an advantage to bid for contracts. LBE firms can bid and be awarded those
contracts at $50,000 and above if their bids do not exceed the lowest bid by 5% or
$25,000. There is opportunity for everyone in the LBE program where procurement
for goods can vary, such as paper and office supplies.
Ms. Kelsey said that there is opportunity to provide more contracting opportunities for
SBE local firms through the LBE program by increasing the lowest bid difference
requirement of 5% to 10%; however, there would be a fiscal impact to the City in
paying the difference.
Mr. Thomas and Ald. Stamper said that the 10% increase is a cost offset where the
benefit is the investment and hiring of local people and businesses.
6. Status of Audit Recommendations.
Mr. Thomas said that DPW has implemented all of the Comptroller's audit
recommendations in October 2014.
Ms. Purvis said that OSBD submitted its status update to the Comptroller’s Office
yesterday and the Comptroller’s Office will provide updates on the recommendations
to the Finance & Personnel Committee soon.
Ald. Stamper said that the Comptroller’s Office should be invited to the committee’s
March meeting.
7. Update on Code Revisions.
Mr. VanNatta gave comments. Due to time constraints, members should review the
summary update on code revisions, which can be found in the presentation
attachment entitled “LRB Presentation WORC 1-14-16 Meeting” within Common
Council File Number 151345. A draft of code revisions, based on feedback and
suggestions made by members, can be brought before the committee at a future
meeting for review. Some observations relating to code revisions from the
Comptroller’s audit still need to be addressed, such as redefining “direct financial
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assistance”.
Commissioner Marcoux made remarks. “Direct financial assistance” needs to be
clarified. Another matter to clarify is the scope of RPP participation requirement on a
project relative to the financial assistance, whether or not RPP applies to the whole
project or only for the portion of the project that is being funded. Some projects have
applied RPP wholly, such as the Northwestern Mutual, while other projects have
applied RPP partly on projects, such as on public improvement portions only. An
additional matter to consider is a developer’s cost of implementing the City’s
programs. Assistance on projects may have to be adjusted in consideration of those
costs. Developers can give real feedback on the costs of implementing the City’s
programs.
Mr. Thomas requested that the draft of recommendations and code revisions be
forwarded to members in advance for review prior to meeting in which the draft will be
presented.
8. Goals and Deliverables for the Next Meeting.
This item was not discussed specifically. Goals and deliverables were discussed
with respect to the topics covered during the deliberation of other agenda items.
9. Set Next Meeting Dates and Times.
Members and participants discussed specific groups to engage in the next meetings:
developers, architects, RPP workers, SBE and LBE firms, prime contractors, training
organizations, and commerce agencies. Specific groups referenced were MAWIB,
Big Step, Prism Technical, Cross Management Services, NAACP, Urban League,
and various Chambers of Commerce.
Members concluded that there will be two public input committee meetings at City
Hall in February followed by a regular committee meeting in March.
The first February meeting is Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:30 a.m. and will
focus on public input from the developer, monitor, and contractor sectors.
The second February meeting is Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 9 a.m. and will
focus on public input from the trade, union, training, and commerce sectors.
Members and participants discussed outreach and structure for the next meetings.
Ms. Lutzka and Commissioner Marcoux said that they have given a list of developers
to Ald. Stamper.
Ms. Robinson said that the public input meetings should be a combination of a
structured session and open comment section. There should be a select group that
should speak during the structured portion. Perhaps a small team can be put
together after the meeting today to set the structure, agenda, and outreach for the
upcoming meetings.
Ald. Stamper concurred and asked that he, Ms. Robinson, Mr. VanNatta, Ms. Lofton,
and Mr. Szopinski meet to plan, structure, and assign outreach for the public input
meetings.
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10. Adjournment.
Meeting adjourned at 12:43 p.m.
Chris Lee, Staff Assistant
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200 E. Wells Street
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WORKFORCE ORGANIZATIONAL REFORM COMMITTEE
ALD. RUSSELL STAMPER, II, CHAIR
Ron Roberts, Vice Chair
Lori Lutzka, Nikki Purvis, and Dan Thomas
Staff Assistant, Chris Lee, 286-2232, Fax: 286-3456,
clee@milwaukee.gov
Legislative Liaison, Andrew VanNetta, 286-2253,
avanne@milwaukee.gov
Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:30 AM City Hall, Third Floor, Room 301-A
1. Call to Order.
2. Roll Call.
3. Review and Approval of the Previous Meeting Minutes from December 14, 2015.
4. RPP Presentation from the Public Policy Forum.
5. Overview of RPP, SBE & LBE Programs.
-RPP
Department of Public Works
Department of City Development
Other
-SBE
Department of Administration
-LBE
Department of Administration
6. Status of Audit Recommendations.
7. Update on Code Revisions.
8. Goals and Deliverables for the Next Meeting.
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9. Set Next Meeting Dates and Times.
-February meeting with the outside business and working community.
-February regular meeting.
10. Adjournment.
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