Building Review Board
Regular MeetingNaperville, IL · May 16, 2018
Minutes
400 S. Eagle Street
City of Naperville Naperville, IL 60540
Meeting Minutes
Building Review Board
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:00 PM City Council Chambers
A. CALL TO ORDER:
B. ROLL CALL:
Present 8 - Brockman, Smith, Jurjovec, Kuhrt, Meyer-Smith, Kronewitter,
Castagnoli, Russell
Absent 1 - Ghassan
C. PUBLIC FORUM:
D. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
E. REPORTS:
1. Approve the minutes of the January 17, 2018 Building Review Board meeting.
A motion was made by Brockman, seconded by Kronewitter to approve the
minutes of the January 17, 2018 Building Review Board meeting.
Aye 8 - Brockman, Smith, Jurjovec, Kuhrt, Meyer-Smith, Kronewitter,
Castagnoli, Russell
Absent 1 - Ghassan
2. Approve the minutes of the April 18, 2018 Building Review Board meeting.
A motion was made by Jurjovec, seconded by Castagnoli to approve the minutes
of the April 18, 2018 Building Review Board meeting.
Aye 8 - Brockman, Smith, Jurjovec, Kuhrt, Meyer-Smith, Kronewitter,
Castagnoli, Russell
Absent 1 - Ghassan
F. OLD BUSINESS:
1. Provide feedback on significant changes identified through the 2018 International
Building Code Update.
Trevor Dick, Development Manager continued staff’s presentation from last
month’s meeting where the BRB discussed significant changes to the 2018
International Building Codes.
Trevor provided an overview of the purpose for the updates, the establishment
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of committees, and provided an overview of the 2018 Building Code Update
schedule and milestones is provided in the packet as Table 1. Although a
complete list of the significant changes identified by the Committees is provided
as Attachment 1 that staff has also provided separate memorandums with
additional information for: 1) the ICC 2018 Code requirements for
residential fire suppression and 2) how the ICC 2018 Code supports smart
home technologies.
Trevor provided an overview of the smart home technologies included in the
packet as Attachment 2. The memo that summarizes the Code requirements
for what type of power source is needed, and second, when smart home
technologies are allowed.
Trevor also discussed that since the time of the board packets being
distributed, staff continued to meet to discuss this item.
o It’s important to note that there is nothing in our current codes, or the 2018
codes that prevents our residents from using smart smoke alarms.
o It’s also important to keep in mind how smart smoke detectors need to
receive their power.
o We should also keep in mind that Smart Technology is not always fool proof.
Our phone batteries go dead regularly and our home wi-fis can also go down.
o In our discussion with home builders - they do not support making smart
home technology mandatory. Although many residents want it, there are also
residents who do not like the cost, and not all residents have smart phones.
While keeping those items in mind, staff also felt that clarity was needed to help
address the issue of battery smoke alarms. To do that staff has worked on a
proposed code change. A copy of that code change proposal was provided to
members of the BRB. Staff’s proposed amendment is that smoke detectors
installed as part of alterations, repairs or additions cannot be battery powered,
instead they must be powered by the house domestic 110V power with battery
backup, but the other areas may remain battery powered. All detectors and
alarms will still need to be interconnected, and code permits for that
interconnection to be wireless between the units. Staff believes that the
proposed code change will be a benefit to staff, our residents, and our builders.
There were no questions from the BRB on this item.
Mr. Scott Scheller, Fire Marshal, presented information regarding the 2018 ICC
Code requirement for Residential Fire Sprinklers. Mr. Scheller began by
presenting data showing the need for sprinklers, the positives to installation,
and statistics from other communities, such as Scottsdale Arizona, that have
required residential sprinklers. Mr. Scheller noted that the contents in a home
create the biggest fire hazard. Furnishings from just 30-40 years ago would
cause a room to flash over in about 17 minutes, today rooms flash in just over 3
minutes. In Naperville, in the past 15 years we have built 3955 new homes, of
that 2616 were over 5000sqft. (66%). Piping or sprinkler head failure no more
or less than other water pipes or fixtures in the home
Mr. Scheller stated that these systems do come at a cost, However, these are
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not a commercial system and therefore no increase or upsize of domestic
water hook up is necessary.
o National average decreased between 2009 to 2013 from $1.61 per sprinklered
square foot to $1.35
o Design methods, construction trade-offs, incentives have helped lower costs
o Local sprinkler contractors have stated on average between $1.70 to $1.80,
NIFSAB states in northern Illinois the rate is just over $2.00sqft. These averages
include jurisdictions that nee d storage tanks and mini
pumps, Naperville does not need any of this.
o Basically 1-2% of the construction cost
o NFPA 13D system requirements, no attics, crawl spaces, closets under
24sq.ft., porches or garages need sprinklers
Mr. Scheller noted benefits include providing life safety, reducing injuries,
reducing damage by preventing a fire from ever reaching the flashover stage
and giving occupants more time to escape the fire
In summary, Mr. Scheller stated that to delete sections of the code would be to
reduce the level of safety to our residents and the community. Especially when
we know that sprinklers reduce property damage, reduce injuries, and save
lives. We can solve this problem at what we feel is a reasonable cost. People
have an expectation that a product they buy is going to be safe, similar to when
smoke detectors were first introduced, or when air bags were installed in
vehicles, there was a cost associated with it but, the requirement has saved
lives. Results of this change may not be apparent now but in the future, we can
reduce injuries, property damage and save lives. We are not asking to make the
code more stringent. This request is to adopt the model code as written for this
section.
The following are questions and discussions that occurred in response to Mr.
Scheller’s presentation.
Mr. Brockman asked if this would add to the fixture count? Mr. Scheller
responded that he is looking only at new homes and not
remodeling.
Mr. Brockman asked how the City defines an addition or a remodel? The City of
Naperville considers a home renovation that is over 50% in home
value or square footage to be new construction.
Mr. Smith asked if the 5,000-square foot calculation included basements? Mr.
Scheller responded that he is not recommending a square footage trigger. But
if square footage was the direction City Council wanted to go that he
would use the same calculations that the building department does now. Mr.
Filippo added that basements would be considered occupiable space, and
therefore are counted in the square footage.
Mr. Smith stated that by including a basement a 2,500 above grade house is
small in Naperville. Mr. Felstrup added that the Fire Department is looking to
move away from a square footage requirement, and instead looking at all new
residential dwellings. The last time our Codes were reviewed some
concessions were made when it was decided to eliminate the requirement for
residential
sprinklers including second points of egress, smoke/carbon detectors, etc.…
Mr. Smith asked if this would be for new homes? Older homes? Where are the
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fires now? Mr. Scheller responded that over the last ten years that the majority
were in homes 9-25 years old, primarily because Naperville is a relatively new
community. The age of a home doesn’t impact the potential fire dangers of
appliances, cooking, and electronics.
Mr. Russell asked if there have been studies to show that cold weather
sprinkler systems don’t freeze? Mr. Scheller stated that he could not find a lot of
information on that. Believes
that the emphasis should be on the designer and the installer to make sure the
pipes don’t freeze.
Mr. Castagnoli asked if we would allow a self-contained Ansel unit? Mr. Scheller
answered that it would not be an alternative to a residential sprinkler.
Mr. Brockman noted there will be significant costs. Mr. Scheller said there is a
definite concern regarding costs and it is a real challenge.
Mr. Smith said that there should be a size requirement for the larger homes,
such as those over 10,000 square feet above grade. Those larger homes
would also be able to absorb the additional cost of sprinklers. Mr. Scheller
asked Mr. Smith if there were any trade-offs that could be made? Mr. Smith
responded he would have to hear what potential trade-offs the City would be
proposing.
Mr. Brockman is interested in knowing if the fire system is considered an
additional system, for example, if the resident would not have to increase the
size of the water line - does it add to the fixture count? What if pressure is
lost? Mr. Scheller responded that he believes because this is for new housing
that all fixtures would be counted at once. He doesn’t believe it will add to the
fixture count.
Mr. Smith asked if this is interconnected to the fire station? Mr. Scheller
answered that it could alert 911, or could have a separate alarm, that would be
up to the customer.
Mr. Castagnoli asked if we would allow copper. Mr. Scheller answered yes.
Mr. Jurjovec stated that cost is a big issue. There is likely going to be push
back. As the City is approaching buildout what number of homes are we
looking at for this? There is also a question of reliability - If there is a leak it
will be bad, especially because these pipes are running in the ceiling without
drains. Liability is a big issue. Mr. Scheller acknowledged these were big
issues. There is a lot of education that will be part of this.
Mr. Russell asked if there are any nearby municipalities that do this. Mr. Scheller
responded he is aware of some counties as well as Clarendon Hills, Glen Ellyn,
Barrington and Long Grove.
G. NEW BUSINESS:
H. ADJOURNMENT:
3:00PM
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Agenda
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Meeting Agenda
Building Review Board
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:00 PM City Council Chambers
A. CALL TO ORDER:
B. ROLL CALL:
C. PUBLIC FORUM:
D. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
E. REPORTS:
1. 18-413 Approve the minutes of the January 17, 2018 Building Review Board
meeting.
2. 18-414 Approve the minutes of the April 18, 2018 Building Review Board meeting.
F. OLD BUSINESS:
1. 18-412 Provide feedback on significant changes identified through the 2018
International Building Code Update.
G. NEW BUSINESS:
H. ADJOURNMENT:
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be reached in person at 400 S. Eagle Street, Naperville, IL., via telephone at
630-420-6707 or 630-305-5205 (TDD) or via e-mail at info@naperville.il.us. Every effort
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