Budget Review Committee
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · March 30, 2015
Minutes
BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE
MARCH 30, 2015
A meeting of the Budget Review Committee was held Monday, March 30, 2015, at 7:04 p.m. in the Aldermanic
Chamber.
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane, Chair, presided.
Members of Committee present: Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderman Ken Siegel
Alderman David Schoneman
Alderman Michael Soucy
Members not in Attendance: Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire, Vice Chair
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Also in Attendance: Alderman June M. Caron (Arrived at 7:15 p.m.)
Mr. Bill Baukus, President Board of Director’s – Nashua Senior Center
PUBLIC COMMENT - None
COMMUNICATIONS
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SIEGEL THAT THE RULES BE SO FAR SUSPENDED AS TO ALLOW FOR
THE INTRODUCTION OF COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED AFTER THE AGENDA WAS PREPARED
MOTION CARRIED
From: Sarah Marchant, Director of Community Development
Re: R-15-118
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SIEGEL TO ACCEPT AND PLACE ON FILE
MOTION CARRIED
From: Alderman June M. Caron
Re: R-14-099
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SIEGEL TO ACCEPT AND PLACE ON FILE
MOTION CARRIED
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – None
NEW BUSINESS – RESOLUTIONS
R-15-118
Endorser: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
RELATIVE TO AN EXPENDITURE FROM THE WATERWAYS AND WATER BODIES
EXPENDABLE TRUST FUND IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $50,000 FOR
INSPECTION AND ECONOMIC EVALUATION SERVICES RELATED TO THE MINE
FALLS DAM
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SIEGEL TO RECOMMEND FINAL PASSAGE R-15-118
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ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Schoneman
I know the prime sponsor of this is not here but this is a study just to take a look at this dam and see what kind
of shape it is in so we can make an informed decision as to whether or not we want to purchase the dam.
That study would include the economic benefit of owning the dam, is that correct?
Chairman Deane
It’s a complete and thorough inspection of the Mine Falls Dam structure and supporting facilities and to
provide an economic evaluation of the purchase and operations of the facility.
Alderman Schoneman
On the back of R-15-118 it says “the team evaluating the operation of the dams recommends using an amount
not-to-exceed $50,000.” Who is on the team?
Chairman Deane
I have no idea.
Alderwoman Brown
I would suspect that it’s under Sarah Marchant.
Chairman Deane
I would agree with you but a team usually consists of more than one person.
Alderwoman Brown
That’s what I said, part of the individuals that are under her.
Chairman Deane
Well, sometimes the Mayor appoints people.
Alderman Siegel
I am speculating here but going on the discussion that we had regarding the previous dam contract, I would
suspect that Mr. Galligani is on that team since he was involved with the previous dam contract. I suspect that
Mr. Griffin will have some involvement and probably Ms. Marchant as well.
Chairman Deane
We also have the attorney’s. They were working on the contracts on another issue. We have speculation and
that’s the best that we can do.
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Alderman Schoneman
I don’t mind that at all, I think that’s fine. My guess is and I think we have to be careful moving forward
whenever we get a study back because my anticipation is that the team, as described, is probably wanting to
buy the dam and perhaps they are hoping to get a study that is favorable to that position. Whatever study
comes back I think we need to make sure that we look at it very carefully and make sure that it is objectively
true and makes a good objective case, not just a subjective case.
Chairman Deane
I agree.
Alderman Soucy
Who currently owns that dam right now, I thought we had purchased it.
Chairman Deane
It’s leased.
Alderman Soucy
It is my understanding that they are going to walk away from that lease?
Chairman Deane
It’s the Mine Falls Limited Partnership and in the mid-80’s the city entered into contract with this group and in
the contract the city has opportunities to purchase the facility and pre-specify timeframes at pre-determined
prices. This fall the city has the most attractive opportunity to purchase the property for approximately
$3,350,000 or 50% of the original construction cost.
Alderman Soucy
Who are we leasing it from right now?
Chairman Deane
We are not leasing it, it was constructed and now we have this opportunity to purchase it back as the contract
that was in place in the 80’s states.
Alderman Siegel
I believe we are leasing it from Mine Falls Limited Partners. We have the opportunity to purchase it and I think
we also have the opportunity to extend the lease but that second thing is speculative on my part. In any case,
the legislation calls for an investigation to what the value of the property is and the economic benefits so I think
it’s more than prudent to do this considering that we are talking about $3.5 million dollar investment should the
city choose to exercise its option.
MOTION CARRIED
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R-15-121
Endorser: Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
CREATING A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR FIRE TRAINING FACILITY RENTAL FEES
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SIEGEL TO RECOMMEND FINAL PASSAGE R-15-121
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Schoneman
I want to make sure I understand the source of the funds that are going into the special revenue fund. I’m not
quite clear on the rentals. Where is the money coming from?
Chief Morrissey
Last fall we accepted a federal grant to purchase of fire training prop, a burn facility that looks like Conex
boxes, about five of them that get stacked and put together. The funds for the prop came from Homeland
Security. When we enter these things, there’s about eight of them in New England and they are generally
used with our mutual aid partners in neighboring communities. When they come in here, in order to help us
offset the cost of running the prop year over year; there are parts like the windows, the doors, the control
board, the gas and electricity – so when our mutual aid partners come in sometimes we will get in kind like
they may buy a hose or a window or a door to put into it. To meet all of the pieces of the grant we have to
show that we are going to be able to maintain this thing over the anticipated life. We have legislation that
enables us to take in money from area communities. You may call it a rental but they will come in potentially,
like maybe Hudson will come in during the week or Merrimack or Hollis. Depending on how much they use it
and the gas cost they might have to physically write us a check. The prop costs about $450,000 so when the
Feds send you all of this paperwork we have to show that we would be able to sustain it with help from our
neighbors.
MOTION CARRIED
NEW BUSINESS – ORDINANCES – None
TABLED IN COMMITTEE
R-14-046
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
AMENDING THE PURPOSE OF A FISCAL YEAR 2014 ESCROW FOR THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
Tabled – 6/30/14
MOTION BY ALDERMAN DEANE TO TAKE FROM THE TABLE R-14-099
MOTION CARRIED
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R-14-099
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF $55,284 FROM DEPARTMENT 194, ACCOUNTING
CLASSIFICATION 70 – CONTINGENCY INTO DEPARTMENT 109 – CIVIC & COMMUNITY
ACTIVITIES, ACCOUNTING CLASSIFICATION 56 – OUTSIDE AGENCIES FOR THE PURPOSE
OF DONATING TO THE NASHUA ASSOCIATION FOR THE ELDERLY
Tabled – 2/18/15
Chairman Deane
I had met with Alderman Caron and we had looked at a sum total. This legislation has been tabled since the
February 18, 2015.
Alderman Caron
As you know, the senior center has had some issues and President Deane, myself and others sponsored R-
14-099 to help the senior center with some of those issues. We went back and looked at the numbers of what
we needed. I was waiting for the final balance for 2014 in order to work from that. They had a loss in 2014 of
about $15,000 and then the other thing is that there is some general maintenance that hasn’t been done within
the senior center building like the front entrance, the floors and carpeting needs to be cleaned, the kitchen
area which is used by Meals on Wheels has not had a real general maintenance cleaning. We decided that
$10,000 would cover that. We are also looking at a new tenant that may be utilizing one of the office spaces
so we are looking to repaint that. The final amount is the unassigned restricted reserve. We didn’t know what
to call it but we thought we’d ask for $10,000 to put aside so that they do not use; they have a line of credit
that they can use for emergencies that they have to pay back but we felt that instead of them using that they
could use this but it has to be restricted and it has to be for a real emergency. The Board of Director’s would
have to approve it for our Treasurer to do that. The total out of that legislation is for $35,000. I did ask the Bill
Baukus, President of the Board of Director’s to stop by to speak about the senior center because we don’t
want you to think that the senior center is not doing its due diligence. They are working really hard.
Mr. Bill Baukus, President of the Board of Director’s – Nashua Senior Center
The senior center is very appreciative of your potential contribution but we are also acting independently, we
don’t just wait for the city to give us money. In the past year we have done a number of things. First of all, we
have elected a new Board of Director’s which has been very effective for us and we are growing as well from a
standpoint of by-laws. There was a controversy last year about membership rules and by-laws and we have
resolved that effectively without having to spend any money so we now have a new set of by-laws in place that
allows us to run the senior center in an effective manner. The other thing that we are doing is that we are
growing financially and spending time and effort to create events that allows the senior center to make some
money. You might be most familiar with an event called Fire & Fusion. That is our flagship event this year
and it will be held on May 6th at Alpine Grove and it’s a local chef’s competition where they are given mystery
ingredients and asked to come up with an interesting presentation. I want you to know that at this point in time
that even is totally sold out. We have about $78,000 of income in our budget that we expect to get and this
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will cover about $20,000 of it. We are doing quite well in terms of programs that allow the center to make
money. Just this last Saturday there was the flea market and it was reasonably well attended even though the
weather was not that good. Obviously the senior center and the city are closely connected in terms of wanting
to take good care of our seniors so we thank you for whatever support you can give us.
Alderman Caron
We think that this will help the center, the staff and the members feel like they are moving in the right direction.
The building does belong to the city and I know how many times we have talked about our buildings not being
maintained. It’s very difficult when you have to choose between trying to run a program and paying an
instructor or trying to get the floors really clean. We felt that this was a good amount of money; it will help
them to get out of the red and get them on their feet. I know that they will appreciate whatever we can get
from the city. As I told them before, the senior center does not belong under the city but we certainly can work
to help them to keep them going because our seniors are a vital part of our community and we are all getting
older, me especially.
Alderman Soucy
I am going to support this resolution but I do have a couple of questions. For the 2014 loss of $15,000, is this
the first year that you have operated at a loss?
Mr. Baukus
No, we have operated at a loss for every year that the center has been in existence.
Alderman Soucy
Approximately how much, is it about the same every year?
Mr. Baukus
No, this has probably been the smallest amount of loss. In the past it has varied. It’s gone as high as $20,000
to $30,000 and as low as $7,000.
Alderman Soucy
Is there one significant contributing factor for the loss?
Mr. Baukus
It is a combination of things but basically it’s the operating cost that really kills us on a daily basis.
Alderman Soucy
What have you done in the past to cover your losses?
Mr. Baukus
We have a fund that was put in place and it is an annuity type of fund. We have been taking from the principle
of that fund to pay down our loss. As president I have decided that we are not going to do that anymore
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because it’s self-defeating in the long run so we do need a source of income to cover potential losses.
Alderman Soucy
Do you anticipate that you will be running about even next year?
Mr. Baukus
With your help, if we can start with a zero sum I believe that we will end at a zero sum or maybe even in the
black. We are doing quite well this year. Our membership seems to be increasing a little bit, we have a pretty
active Board and we are actively recruiting members. Right now we 10 Board members and my goal is to
have 15 by the end of the year and we are going out to the city to get city leaders to help us.
Alderman Siegel
I appreciate that there is a new president of the Board and I thank you for stepping up to the plate. That was
one of my principle objections originally. I think that the new leadership is clearly doing a much better job. I’m
definitely going to support this; I am very much in favor of supporting the seniors.
Alderman Schoneman
I will support this as well but I have a couple of questions. What is your overall budget for the year?
Mr. Baukus
It’s about $300,000.
Alderman Schoneman
When you mentioned $78,000, what was that amount for?
Mr. Baukus
The $78,000, it’s likely lower than that but it’s an amount that we put into a category that we would call
program input and that’s the amount of money that we would bring in from events such as the Fire & Fusion,
the arts sales and other things other than our standard activities such as trips and instruction.
Alderman Schoneman
Is that $78,000 value higher than it’s been in years past?
Mr. Baukus
I’m not sure I have an answer to that question. I can check and get back to you but it’s probably about the
same, if anything, maybe slightly higher.
Alderman Schoneman
If you expect to possibly end up in the black this year, what is the difference that is accounting for that?
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Mr. Baukus
More than anything else it is effective management and being able to conduct the center appropriately given
the personnel that we have. We did have sort of a left handed improvement this year in that we lost our
executive director and the person that is taking over that position is operating at a lower salary. That is a
difference of about $20,000 and that made a significant difference in the center’s bottom line.
Alderman Schoneman
How many paid positions do you have?
Mr. Baukus
Two and a half.
Alderman Siegel
Are we going to amend the legislation to reflect this new amount?
Chairman Deane
Yes, I have a figure here.
Alderwoman Brown
I want to thank Mr. Baukus and Alderman Caron for putting this together. I thoroughly support our seniors and
I’m a member too.
Chairman Deane
Just so we all understand this, this unassigned restricted reserve dollars, do we all understand what that is all
about?
Mr. Baukus
Do you mean the amount of money you are going to be giving us?
Chairman Deane
The loss covers, that’s going to go back into that account that you tapped into that we shouldn’t be doing.
That account doesn’t really have any revenue stream so every time you tap into whatever you got for interest
on it, which is probably next to nothing, you just keep reducing that balance. The general maintenance – I
don’t run the place and it’s up to the Board to figure it out but I can tell you this much, if you need some help
walking through that place, I can point out some things that I’d love to see done. We can start with the floors.
I’d like to have the lighting looked at and the carpets cleaned.
Alderman Caron
I would feel about them going back to the request they made to Review and Comment. I don’t know what the
funding is but they did put in for some cleaning of the facility and those are the numbers that I worked with. I
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don’t know what Review and Comment is giving them but that is what they should work with for the general
maintenance of the building which I think was steam cleaning of the kitchen, the carpets and a room upstairs.
Whatever that $10,000 can do that’s what they should do first and if they have anything left over they can look
at the lighting in the hallway.
Mr. Baukus
Our intention of using the funds is to first of all pay down our loss and once we get to the zero sum then we will
judicially use the rest of it.
Chairman Deane
The $15,000 was for that purpose from 2014. The $10,000 when we looked at the floors, the carpets, some
lighting repair – I don’t know what they are doing for a fit-up for a building for a tenant in there but if this
$10,000 wasn’t here what would they be using for that? Was there money set aside for painting that room?
Alderman Caron
No, I am just saying that they are looking at someone coming in so obviously if they have a little money then
they probably could paint it.
Chairman Deane
We as a city own that building and our senior population uses it for $1.00 per year which is great. Now is the
time to get it cleaned up.
Alderman Caron
The other thing is that $10,000 is that restricted reserve that has to be put aside and not to be used except
for…
Mr. Baukus
We need to make sure that our financial person knows where the money needs to be and be appropriately
budgeted.
Chairman Deane
That fund to me is a doomsday fund. Look a little harder, work a little harder. It’s there in case something
becomes unglued then it is there to help you.
Mr. Baukus
We have a pretty frugal treasurer. We just recently got our line of credit through the Triangle Credit Union
which allows us to make sure that we are cash liquid as the need be. Before when we ran out of cash we
stole from accounts that we probably shouldn’t have been stealing from.
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Chairman Deane
We don’t want to do that again.
Mr. Baukus
No, we can’t do that.
MOTION BY ALDERMAN DEANE TO AMEND BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT BY $20,284
MOTION CARRIED
MOTION BY ALDERMAN DEANE TO RECOMMEND FINAL PASSAGE AS AMENDED
MOTION CARRIED
GENERAL DISCUSSION - None
PUBLIC COMMENT - None
REMARKS BY THE ALDERMEN - None
POSSIBLE NON-PUBLIC SESSION - None
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SOUCY TO ADJOURN
MOTION CARRIED
The meeting was declared closed at 7:36 p.m.
Alderman Ken Siegel
Committee Clerk
Agenda
BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE
MARCH 30, 2015
7:00 PM Aldermanic Chamber
PUBLIC HEARING
R-15-121
CREATING A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR
FIRE TRAINING FACILITY RENTAL FEES
ROLL CALL
TESTIMONY
REGULAR MEETING
ROLL CALL
PUBLIC COMMENT
COMMUNICATIONS
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – None
NEW BUSINESS – RESOLUTIONS
R-15-118
Endorser:Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
RELATIVE TO AN EXPENDITURE FROM THE WATERWAYS AND WATER BODIES
EXPENDABLE TRUST FUND IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $50,000 FOR
INSPECTION AND ECONOMIC EVALUATION SERVICES RELATED TO THE MINE
FALLS DAM
R-15-121
Endorser: Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
CREATING A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND FOR FIRE TRAINING FACILITY RENTAL FEES
NEW BUSINESS – ORDINANCES – None
TABLED IN COMMITTEE
R-14-046
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
AMENDING THE PURPOSE OF A FISCAL YEAR 2014 ESCROW FOR THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
Tabled – 6/30/14
R-14-099
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF $55,284 FROM DEPARTMENT 194, ACCOUNTING
CLASSIFICATION 70 – CONTINGENCY INTO DEPARTMENT 109 – CIVIC & COMMUNITY
ACTIVITIES, ACCOUNTING CLASSIFICATION 56 – OUTSIDE AGENCIES FOR THE PURPOSE
OF DONATING TO THE NASHUA ASSOCIATION FOR THE ELDERLY
Tabled – 2/18/15
GENERAL DISCUSSION
PUBLIC COMMENT
REMARKS BY THE ALDERMEN
POSSIBLE NON-PUBLIC SESSION
ADJOURNMENT