Finance Committee
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · January 20, 2010
Minutes
REPORT OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE
JANUARY 20, 2010
A meeting of the Finance Committee was held on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 7:00 p.m. in
the Aldermanic Chamber.
Mayor Donnalee Lozeau presided.
Members of the Committee present: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane, Vice Chair
Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderman Kathy Vitale
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
Members not in Attendance: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Also in Attendance:
ELECTION OF COMMITTEE CLERK
Mayor Lozeau called for nominations for Committee Clerk
ALDERMAN CRAFFEY NOMINATED ALDERMAN CLEMONS
MOTION BY ALDERMAN DEANE TO CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS
MOTION CARRIED
ALDERMAN CLEMONS ELECTED AS COMMITTEE CLERK FOR THE 2010-2011 TERM
COMMUNICATIONS
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract for Grant Administration of EECBG Funds (Value: $72,900)
Account: 373-7002 FY10 Energy Efficiency & Conservation Block Grant (EECBG)
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $482,000
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE
CONTRACT TO DEB CHISHOLM IN A SUM NOT-TO-EXCEED $72,900. FUNDS ARE
AVAILABLE IN ACCT. #373-7002
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
Before I open it up for committee discussion, I will point out, for the benefit of the new members,
that some time ago in the last year, as you can see by the resolution included in the packet, we
applied and received funding from the federal government relative to energy planning. We have
hired the Jordan Institute as the company doing the energy assessment with a portion of that
$800,000+, and it has become abundantly clear that the administration of this grant and the next
steps in the coordination really needs a project manager.
Deb has been helping us out. It is something that she participated in the grant writing. It seems
to make sense to have her continue in this role. I am happy to open it up for discussion by
members.
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Alderman Deane
We are not going to be required to put a big sign up anywhere are we?
Mayor Lozeau
Not that I am aware of, certainly not at this stage.
Alderman Deane
What is the timeframe on this whole project?
Mayor Lozeau
Right now the first round of the grant is the $834,900. We anticipate the report by the Jordan
Institute to be completed likely in February and then we will start drawing down the funds as we
prioritize the energy plan that is going to be provided to us. Some may go for some of the city
building work we are doing, some may go for other projects. I anticipate over the next three
years, but I also believe that, based on whatever the components of the plan are that we are
going to prioritize, there may be other funding available that we will apply for for further grants.
Nashua was a direct recipient the last time, and we are under the impression that there is
another round coming. In addition, we have been identified as one of three communities in the
state’s grant for Beacon Project Communities, which is a competitive grant project throughout all
50 states. Nashua may have an opportunity to have further dollars for a project under that
funding as well. This could go on for quite a while as we implement the plan.
Alderman Deane
She has a total cost of $72,900. Then she has it broken down and estimated hours per month.
Obviously this must have a timeline on it to when it finally runs out.
Mayor Lozeau
What we are anticipating is for what we are signing Deb up to take responsibility for is a three-
year window. I just wanted to make you aware that it could change. I am hopeful that the
energy work that we are going to want to do in this community, it is certainly a priority of mine,
and I know I share that with a lot of the Aldermen, but there are things we can do that will
benefit us in the long run.
Alderman Vitale
If she is having a three-year window then are you going to come back if that is going to be
extended?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes. We would come back and ask, and if anything changes between now and that three
years, more funding comes in, we need anything to change, we would come back as well.
Alderman Vitale
Okay.
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Mayor Lozeau
Is there further discussion?
Alderman Chasse
In the body of the resolution, right at the bottom, it says this funding shall be in effect from
September 1, 2009 through August 31, 2012. That would be the three years?
Mayor Lozeau
That is correct. That is when we got approved and started the work. Is there further
discussion?
Alderman Deane
The estimates on her sheet, I guess it would be the third page, they don’t seem to equate to a
three-year timeframe. Maybe I am wrong.
Mayor Lozeau
It may not, but as you can see in her second line, she created the proposal with the assumption
that the scope of items would be carried out over three years. For instance, right now there is
not a lot of work that needs to be done by Deb because the Jordan Institute is pretty much
carrying the heavy lifting now. She would participate in a monthly meeting or our updates when
we have them, but she wouldn’t do a lot of the other work that is identified here.
When their work is completed then she may take on some more tasks, and then depending on
how that task gets carried out whether we hire a company to put windows in, her work would be
less. It is really hard to anticipate what is going forward without the plan being identified.
Because we are allowed the administrative funds out of the grant, it seemed to make sense to
get her in the process sooner rather than later.
Alderman Deane
Is her hourly rate basically $45?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes.
Alderman Deane
Is that throughout? It says it on the top.
Mayor Lozeau
And that is her hourly rate for the Brownfields work she does as well. It is pretty consistent.
Alderman Deane
So that is reflected throughout the scope of work and cost proposal that was submitted?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes.
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Alderman Deane
Okay. Thank you.
Mayor Lozeau
You are welcome. Is there further discussion by members of the committee?
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Purchase of Legal Advisory Services Requested by City IT & Financial Services Division
(Value: $20,000)
Account: 722-53025-3735 ERP – Consulting Services
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $7,455,528
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE
CONTRACT TO ORR & RENO IN AN AMOUNT NOT-TO-EXCEED $20,000. SOURCE OF
FUNDING IS ACCT. #722-53025-3735
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Deane
Was this anticipated when the bond was originally floated for $7.4 million?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes it was. There are very few law firms that specialize in this kind of service. Also, I would
point out because I am sure some of you noticed as well, on the Orr & Reno proposal on the
back side of their letterhead is a section that speaks to billing rates. That is incorrect. There is
a new blended rate, which is what gives the not to exceed $20,000. They had the opportunity to
meet with our legal council and Mr. Gilbar and talk about some of the specifics, and because of
that we were able to negotiate a blended rate. When you see those rates they look pretty
expensive.
Alderman Deane
After they were selected there was some negotiation that went on?
Mayor Lozeau
There was. There were only two firms that responded, and of those two firms the only one with
direct ERP experience was Orr & Reno, which is reflected in their cost. I think that is one of the
reasons it is different than the other proposal.
Alderman Deane
Is there still an Aldermanic representative to the ERP?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes.
Alderman Deane
Who is that?
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Mayor Lozeau
Alderman McCarthy I believe participates.
Alderman Deane
Thank you.
Mayor Lozeau
You are welcome. Is there further discussion on this item?
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Transit Center Rehabilitation Design Phase Services Requested by
Transit Department (Value $29,875)
Account: 374-01319-7222-7200 – Construction Rehab – NTS – ARRA
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $70,125
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE
CONTRACT TO CMA ENGINEERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,875. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE
IN ACCT. #374-01319-7222-7200
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Chasse
Did they ever take a look to see about enclosing the whole thing?
Mayor Lozeau
One of the things that I know is on the table is looking at the current design and any changes
that might make sense. As you saw in the memo, they talked about how old the facility is and
some of the challenges they are facing. I don’t know if total enclosure is anything that has been
discussed, but I think they are pretty confident that this group will make recommendations about
what should happen.
One of the other things that I have brought to the table is that we should be looking at potentially
having a taxi stand in some of that area, which may play into some of the building design and
where it might be versus where the buses drive and things like that so we can take the taxis out
from behind the garage where they park, the metered spaces, which presents a problem
sometimes for the downtown businesses.
We have been working with the taxi company about not doing that, but it seems as the transit is
growing and different folks are coming in or going out for different reasons, having a taxi stand
there seems to make some sense too. There are an awful lot of things on the table. We will
see what the design comes back with.
This is also going to compliment our energy efficiency efforts too because they will look at
energy efficient lights, is the heating system right, should they be making changes to the
ceilings, and things like that.
Is there further discussion on this item?
MOTION CARRIED
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Alderman Deane
Mayor I have one question. This is more stimulus money right?
Mayor Lozeau
It is stimulus money, and the stimulus money that has been being able to be utilized by the
transit department has had very different expectations surrounding it than some of the other
money that we will talk about later tonight. There is no local match to this and it is money that I
sometimes will say I don’t necessarily have a problem sending back federal dollars because it
still comes out of the same pockets, but if the federal dollars go back and just go to another
community then I think we are being a little shortsighted if we benefit from them. This is one of
those instances where if we didn’t have a need for it, which I think is demonstrated in this
memo, it would go back and potentially be used by maybe not even somebody in the state. I
have some concern about that.
Alderman Deane
I guess it is all conscious ridden right?
Mayor Lozeau
Correct. But when you look at the transit station with a ten year old facility, does it make sense
to look at it and come up with a strategy on what is next for that building and how do we
maintain it in the long run when opportunities like this aren’t here. I think this presents that
opportunity for us that we wouldn’t have without it.
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Aerial Image Updates for GIS System (Value: $16,992)
Account: 792-53032-3794 Stormwater Abatement – Flyover & Color Ortho
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $230,798
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE
CONTRACT TO AERIAL CARTOGRAPHICS OF AMERICA IN THE AMOUNT OF $16,992.
SOURCE OF FUNDING IS ACCT. #792-53032-3794
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Deane
To the committee, we had a pretty good discussion at the Public Works meeting about why we
were doing this and why the engineering department wanted to be involved. It had to do with
impermeable surface area. They will calculate all of the impervious; the roof, paving, and things
of that nature for different site locations, which will help with drainage issues and things of that
nature. Mr. Dookran did say it is going to be utilized during the Planning Board process and
application process because the city will have a better handle on what the net impact will be
when you put up X amount of square feet of building that has X amount of flat roof that gathers
water and then where does it go scenario.
I think it is good. I think the whole GIS system is a good improvement. It is a good investment
in that area.
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Alderman Vitale
I would agree with that. I know on the Zoning Board looking at the surfaces is one of the
questions that gets asked quite often of the Planning Department. I would agree that is
important.
Mayor Lozeau
Our GIS Director is very pleased too because he gets two components of this for less than the
price of one that we used to add on prior to this. It will be a nice fit. Is there further discussion
on this item?
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Harbor Ave Area Sewer Separation Design Phase Services
(Value: $445,000)
Account: 792-53030-3791 Engineering Services – CIP – Facility $222,500
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $414,061
Account: 792-53030-3745 Engineering Services – CIP – CSO Flooding $222,500
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $977,500
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE
CONTRACT TO HAYNER/SWANSON IN THE AMOUNT OF $445,000. FUNDS ARE
AVAILABLE IN ACCTS. #792-53030-3791 ($222,500) AND 792-53030-3745 ($222,500)
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
This also is something that the Board of Public Works took up and had a lengthy discussion
about.
Alderman Chasse
Wasn’t this study already done?
Mayor Lozeau
This is because of the results of the study so the re-evaluation has said we can have a smaller
disinfectant facility, which allows us to look at some of the other things in the system so based
on those changes, this is recommended. It is part of that.
Alderman Chasse
So it is a re-evaluation.
Mayor Lozeau
The re-evaluation happened so now this is the work related to that re-evaluation that we should
carry out. It takes care of basically the sewer discharge from the west side of Main Street that is
un-separated, kind of goes down Bowers Street. This will pick up working on the problem
surrounding Tyler Street, Prospect Street, Otterson, Harbor, Harbor Court, Crowley, Lyons, New
Street, a whole area where we will be able to separate. It certainly won’t eliminate the flooding,
but it will reduce it significantly. Frankly, it will make a difference in the kind of flooding we have
so to speak.
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We are actually spending the same dollars, but getting more infrastructure for the work.
Alderman Chasse
So in other words all of those people in Ward 7 in this area should be very happy when this is all
done.
Mayor Lozeau
I think they will be.
Alderman Chasse
And Alderman Flynn will also be happy and won’t be getting any more phone calls.
Mayor Lozeau
Well I can’t guarantee he won’t get any phone calls because this won’t eliminate it, but this will
be a significant improvement. Is there further discussion on this item?
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Haines Street Sewer Project Design & Engineering Services Amendment #1 (Value:
$39,000)
Account: 792-53030-3742 Sewer Project Engineering - DPW
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $291,490
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND, CONTINGENT
UPON FINAL PASSAGE OF R-10-03, AUTHORIZE AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO THE
CONTRACT WITH HAYNER/SWANSON, INC. FOR A NET CHANGE IN AN AMOUNT NOT-
TO-EXCEED $39,000. SOURCE OF FUNDING IS ACCT. #792-53030-3742
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
This is related to the resolution that was brought in under suspension at the last board meeting.
Chairman of the Budget Review Committee, Alderman Deane, I think the public hearing is it
tomorrow night?
Alderman Deane
Yes.
Mayor Lozeau
Ordinarily we could talk about not having this on the Finance agenda prior to other things taking
place, but as I mentioned that night when it came in under suspension of the rules, these dollars
are stimulus dollars that were slated for another community in the state that could not perform
the work as they had anticipated. The state had some funds left over, and because our project
was already basically shovel ready and we were working on it, it allowed them to look at us so
that we could quickly say to them well we have two acres more of this site that we would like to
include.
In order for them to stay on track with the money, and in this instance again not send it back to
the feds, we have to take every opportunity we can to keep moving it through the process. The
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Board of Public Works took action on it, the resolution came in, and the public hearing was
notified. It is Finance tonight. Hopefully the full Board will take it up at the next meeting, and
then its Governor and Council meeting the next day, the 27th. That is one of the reasons it is
here tonight.
I am not so uncomfortable with the process in this sense. This is a project that the majority of
the Board is familiar with and Public Works is familiar with, and our staff is comfortable with. It
is a great opportunity to save about $125,000 and expand our project that we have been doing.
I am glad we have the opportunity frankly. Is there further discussion?
Alderman Clemons
Just expanding on what you said, I have no problem with this at all. I think utilizing this money
is smart, and I think we are going to get a lot of benefit out of it. Certainly the people in the
Haines Street area are going to be very appreciative of this. I think it is the right thing to do.
Alderman Deane
I think you should explain the financing of the other $125,000. I don’t know if everybody is
aware of it.
Mayor Lozeau
There are two components; one is the engineering costs, which the city will cover and the other
is the actual construction project costs. The agreement that we have with the state, which we
will explain more tomorrow night at the public hearing, is that they will pay 50% of the project
and the city will pay 50% of the project. It is the state revolving loan fund, which we, for financial
purposes, in the city treat almost like bonded money. It is money that we borrow at like 1%, 2%
depending on where it is at that time, and we only have to pay half the project costs, which is
pretty substantial. Did I miss anything Alderman Deane?
Alderman Deane
With interest.
Mayor Lozeau
With interest yes, but still overall it is a cost savings. This is a project that really – I don’t know
that the city would have been in a position to take care of this problem on Haines Street where
sewerage was flooding into people’s properties and has been for years. The worst problem of
course was the spring of 2008 when we had 300 year floods in a row and it really brought the
problem crashing into everybody’s forefront. Prior to that it was every couple of years
something might happen. Had the loan program and the stimulus dollars not been available, I
don’t know that this project would have been able to be affordable. It really is a great
opportunity.
The two components before you tonight are this piece, which is the engineering costs, and then
the second piece, which is the construction, which we anticipate being some time in mid March.
Is there further discussion on this item?
Alderman Deane
You know Mayor the other thing that you have to bring up about Park Construction is they have
already got all of their equipment and everything is placed. There is no additional cost. The
other thing is the relationship that company has with that neighborhood is of substantial
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importance. A lot of folks that I have spoken to up there are extremely happy with the
professionalism, the way they are treated, and their driveways are ramped up. That company
goes out of their way. They know of the massive disruption that causes in the neighborhood
during the construction, but they go out of their way to try to keep everybody happy and keep
life as normal as possible while the road is totally gone. They have done well. For the amount
of work they have done in the city they have done an outstanding job. We have paid them good
money to do the work they have done, but they are unlike prior contractors that the city has
hired when we first got into the separation where we hired some doozies to do some work here
that was just unbelievable.
I will say it publicly because the problems that we had and the re-work we had to do, it cost us
double in some instances. Dartmouth and Hill Street was one area in particular.
Mayor Lozeau
I know that engineering, when we started talking about projects like this, explained to me the
cost of separation and why some of that was stopped and why we went to the Consent Decree
and all of those different components.
I think it has been, as you said Alderman Deane, a wonderful collaborative effort between a
company that knows what they are doing and knows how to treat the customers that they are
interacting with every day and the city staff who has been right on top of it communicating with
residents as well. It is a model for how, if we could replicate that kind of service every time we
go into an area in the city, we would be very well served. You are absolutely right.
Is there further discussion on this item?
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Haines Street Sewer Project Construction Change Order #3 (Value: $250,000)
Account: 792-59232-3742 Sewer Construction – Haines Street
Account Balance Remaining After Purchase: $41,490
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND, CONTINGENT
UPON FINAL PASSAGE OF R-10-03, AUTHORIZE CHANGE ORDER #3 TO THE
CONTRACT WITH PARK CONSTRUCTION FOR A NET CHANGE NOT TO EXCEED
$250,000. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCT. #792-59232-3742
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Chasse
Would this be like while they are doing the project if they ever get up to a certain point and they
see that the pipes are deteriorated that they are replacing them and that is why these change
orders are coming in?
Mayor Lozeau
This is the project we were just speaking about. This is the additional site. If money wasn’t an
object, we would probably take over what a 6 acre site over in that side of town. This is we
knew that the Haines Street project could be significantly larger than it was, and when these
funds became available, it was easy for us to say here is the next phase of it. That is why this
has come.
It is not so much that the pipes are deteriorating it is that we really need to separate them in that
area because of how the flooding is and how low laying that area is.
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Alderman Chasse
But they are replacing pipes if they are deteriorating, if they have to?
Mayor Lozeau
They are actually taking out the pipe. They are separating the sewer and storm water. So that
is replacing those pipes. At the same time, Pennichuck and the gas company has been working
hand in hand replacing some of their pipes as well.
Alderman Chasse
And this is all going to get paved when it is all completed?
Mayor Lozeau
This is the 50/50. We are paying 50% of the cost and the state is paying 50% of the cost.
Alderman Chasse
Thank you.
Mayor Lozeau
You are welcome.
Alderman Deane
When they did the modeling in this area, this trunk on Haines Street took a majority of both
storm water and sewer from a lot of the side streets. The separation that heads down to Allds
Street and goes into the lines down there and then whatever goes down to the treatment plant.
With the modeling that they did with the size of piping, this created increased capacity to have
some relief in those areas, even some of those side roads where the combined is still tied in.
Mayor Lozeau
And will stay tied in.
Alderman Deane
It will stay tied in until such time as money is available to separate it or until such time as the line
collapses. As the Mayor stated earlier, that whole end of town could be done. You could go up
into that area and start at Allds Street and do every street, but money is kind of an issue right
now.
This is the most problematic area. It is a low laying area. Alderman Flynn can attest to the fact
when we had heavy downpours we had significant backups in houses, backups on front lawns,
out in the streets. Hopefully this will rectify some of the problem.
Mayor Lozeau
Is there further discussion?
MOTION CARRIED
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – None
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NEW BUSINESS – None
DISCUSSION - None
WARRANT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO APPROVE WARRANT #13 IN THE TOTAL
AMOUNT OF $10,312,120.84 OF WHICH $2,660,308.44 ARE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE,
$5,211,086.67 ARE PAYROLL AMOUNTS, $2,897.29 ARE PREPAY AMOUNTS AND
$2,437,828.04 ARE WIRE TRANSFERS
MOTION CARRIED
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ADJOURN
MOTION CARRIED
The Finance Committee meeting was adjourned at 7:37 p.m.
Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Committee Clerk