Finance Committee
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · December 4, 2013
Minutes
REPORT OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE
DECEMBER 4, 2013
A meeting of the Finance Committee was held on Wednesday, December 4, 2013 at 7:00 p.m. in the
Aldermanic Chamber.
Mayor Donnalee Lozeau, Chair, presided.
Members of the Committee present: Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire, Vice Chair
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
PUBLIC COMMENT - None
COMMUNICATIONS
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Legislative Services (Value: $14,000)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE THE RENEWAL
OF THE CONTRACT WITH DAVID ALUKONIS IN THE AMOUNT OF $14,000.
FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN DEPARTMENT 101, MAYOR; GENERAL FUND OPERATING
BUDGET; 53, PROFESSIONAL & TECHNICAL SERVICES
MOTION CARRIED
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Chasse
I have the report from Mr. Alukonis on what he worked on. There are eight pages and I am very impressed.
I know when we first brought him on board, it was when Ex-Alderman Teeboom was here and we were a
little skeptical about this particular thing but in my opinion, $14,000 was well spent.
Alderman Deane
When this contractor was first hired, what was the value of the contract?
Mayor Lozeau
$14,000 – it’s always been $14,000.
Alderman Deane
He is not a registered lobbyist, correct?
Mayor Lozeau
He registers as a lobbyist just to not violate the spirit of the law, but he does not lobby on the city’s behalf.
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Alderman Deane
Who pays for that registration fee? Is there one?
Mayor Lozeau
He pays that fee. I think it’s $50.00.
Alderman Deane
Are there any other charges associated with this service other than the $14,000 that he is compensated for?
Mayor Lozeau
The first year we had a dinner with the representatives relative to pension costs and that came out of this
$14,000. We have done lunch from time to time at the State House, on a session day and invited the
Legislators over for sandwiches, which again, came out of the $14,000. However other than that, there are
not.
Alderman Deane
Is there an expense report generated that he turns in?
Mayor Lozeau
No, if we do something like a luncheon, the city does the invoice directly and we pay it directly from the city.
He is not reimbursed. He gets paid in equal installments and the years where we have had things that were
related to food, that amount was less he was paid.
Alderman Deane
So, the food cost came out of the $14,000?
Mayor Lozeau
That’s correct.
Alderman Pressly
Does he represent anyone else besides this city?
Mayor Lozeau
No.
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Purchase of Replacement Training Simulator Requested by Nashua Police Department
(Value: $61,189)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE
FROM TI TRAINING IN THE AMOUNT OF $61,189. SOURCE OF FUNDING IS DEPARTMENT 150,
POLICE, POLICE FORFEITURE FUNDS; 71, EQUIPMENT
MOTION CARRIED
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From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Purchase of Bomb Robot Upgrade Requested by Nashua Police Department (Value: $62,000)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE
FROM REMOTEC IN THE AMOUNT OF $62,000. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IS DEPARTMENT 150,
POLICE; POLICE GRANT FUNDS; 71, EQUIPMENT
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Auditorium Upgrades (Value: $86,259)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE CONTRACT TO
ACCESS AV IN THE AMOUNT OF $86,259. SOURCE OF FUNDING IS DEPARTMENT 122,
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY; GOVERNMENT & EDUCATIONAL CHANNELS; 81, CAPITAL
PROJECTS/IMPROVEMENTS
MOTION CARRIED
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Pressly
I would like to speak to the next two items at the same time; they are related to the television and the
broadcasting. I do support both of the items, but something interesting has come up that I have observed
myself and brought up at CTAB Meetings. It’s the ability of people in the room to hear. I experienced this
the other day. I went to a Land/Use Meeting on the third floor and I couldn’t hear. People in the audience
could not hear at all. Some people raised their hand and asked people to speak up and they would
momentarily. I know that Alderman Chasse has referenced occasionally that you can’t hear people. I did
bring it up to them and then I deliberately watched the same broadcast to see if they had the same at home
and the answer is no. If they broadcast a meeting, when it goes through the television, they have the
capability of turning it up, but the people who cannot hear are the ones that actually attend the meetings.
Mayor Lozeau
You would be happy to know that we agree. Right now there are two older speakers in the auditorium. This
proposal puts in six speakers.
Alderman Pressly
I know that – it really comes down to a lot of people do not speak into the microphone. This has been
identified by the Technology Group that was put together. Apparently, as of right now, there is nothing that
can notify that the person who is speaking that they are not being heard. I think it really is a problem,
particularly at Land/Use meetings where people do have a vested interest. If you look around the room, a
lot of the members just don’t speak into the microphone. I do feel that we need to support these two items
and they are trying to solve part of the problem. I think the real problem is getting the members that are
participating to speak into the microphone clearly. I don’t know how you would enforce that other than to
have the Chairman remind people constantly. People can be shy about raising their hands and say please
speak up. I feel sad for the people that take the time to attend the meeting if they can’t hear.
Mayor Lozeau
I agree and one of the things that we are trying to do is to do something about that. In addition, they can’t
see. The genesis of this was trying to solve some of those problems and we included the Chairman of the
Planning Board and the Chairman of the Zoning Board to meet with us and talk about what could be done.
The President of the Board of Alderman also came. The T.V.’s that are going to part of this purchase will
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take away the need to go back up on the stage. It will also allow us to set up the table differently on the
stage so that the audience can see who is speaking. The tables that we have purchased for upstairs can
make a horseshoe configuration on the stage. I hope we are moving in the right direction. The panel in
front of Alderman Chasse shows all of the microphones here so you tell if the volume is down on some. We
are hopeful that is something that can be used up here as well.
Alderman Pressly
If there could be some way that you could send a signal to a speaker if you can’t hear them. Everyone has
a different style of speaking. I think these will help a little bit but that still will not help the problem with the
people in the room not being able to hear the speakers.
Mayor Lozeau
I think that having the six speakers instead of the two will go a long way to help. But, you are right, if they
are not speaking into microphone, the speaker is not picking them up.
Alderman Pressly
I really think that it was the individual speakers because watching on the television; I could see that they
were speaking way back.
Alderman Chasee
There is a certain gentleman out there who watches all of the meetings and he says that even myself, and I
talk pretty loud, if I talk away from the microphone, my voice goes in and out. If I back up, he says he has
trouble hearing me. I think there’s something with these microphones that you have to speak straight at
them.
Mayor Lozeau
Maybe we should get everyone lapel microphones. I don’t know if those would work but I will ask.
Mayor Lozeau
At the Playground Meeting the other night, people were able to hear relatively well. One of the things we
had was the multi-directional microphones on the table. Anyway, it is a problem that we are trying to solve.
Alderman Pressly
I think it really is a problem in the Land/Use Meetings because the meeting I attended had people
announcing their position and nobody really had any idea what they said. The vote was a real surprise
because nobody had any idea based on not being able hear what was just said.
Mayor Lozeau
Let’s hope what we are doing will go a long way and we will pay attention and see if we need to do anything
else.
Alderman Deane
This will not correct the problem of – if I happen to be home and want to watch a meeting replay, I have to
put the volume on my TV. up to 100 to be able to hear it.
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Mayor Lozeau
This should change that. There are a couple of things that are happening in addition to this. Comcast is re-
doing their feed into the building. It’s a very old feed and I don’t have all of the information yet but I will
share that with you when I can explain it in a way that everyone will understand. We think that will go a long
way in helping with the problem.
Alderman Deane
Is that a Comcast problem?
Mayor Lozeau
It’s not necessarily a Comcast problem, but some of the things that we are doing we think will help that
problem.
Alderman Deane
That’s been going on for a long time, that’s not a new issue.
Mayor Lozeau
Yes, but we want to see how the new connection impacts it. It may or it may not.
Alderman Deane
Are we getting that free of charge?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes, actually, we are.
Alderman Deane
Don’t we have a contract to approve or to discuss for Comcast coming up shortly?
Mayor Lozeau
Not yet. The contract they have expires in 2015. We are working on putting together the group that is going
to work on that contract. Hopefully, it will be ready by the 1st of this next year. I am sure there will be
conversation surrounding it.
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Purchase of Studio Switching System (Value: $29,995)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASEE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE CONTRACT TO
ACCESS AV IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,995. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN DEPARTMENT 122,
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY; GOVERNMENT & EDUCATIONAL CHANNELS; 81, CAPITAL
PROJECTS/IMPROVEMENTS
MOTION CARRIED
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From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Electronic Recycling Change Order #2 (Value: $75,000)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE THE CHANGE
ORDER #2 TO THE CONTRACT WITH UNIVERSAL RECYCLING TECHNOLOGIES FOR A NET
CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT OF $75,000. SOURCE OF FUNDING IS DEPARTMENT 168, SOLID
WASTE; SOLID WASTE FUND; 55, OTHER SERVICES
MOTION CARRIED
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
You may recall that this came in in June 2012 as a three-year contract. The amount of electronic recycling
that we are getting in has far exceeded any of our estimates. We had hoped in the first couple of years that
we would get our Samsung subsidy that we had had for a couple of years before that. It did not come
through but it is still on the table as potentially coming through this year, after January, but we do not know
for certain. We were paying .24 cents; it’s been negotiated down to .17 cents. Hopefully that will help
mitigate some of this but it is significantly more than what we had expected it to be – the amount of
electronics that are coming in and being recycled. We did an increase of $9,500 but looking at the way we
are going; it looks like we are going to do double what we expected in the year.
Alderman Deane
Are these people easy to communicate with?
Mayor Lozeau
Do you mean the people that we are doing the recycling with?
Alderman Deane
Yes, I have tried to touch base with them about some recycling stuff and they never call back, they are
impossible to reach, and nobody ever answers the phone. Maybe I should ask the Public Works Director
for a direct number or contact.
Mayor Lozeau
It could be that it is a small company and so they are out there recycling. I know that we have been
successful working them, I know that they were willing to negotiate the price down for us because of what
we were dealing with. Then again, we see them in person, multiple times per week.
Alderman Deane
Are they the same folks that do all of the other fluorescent bulb recycling for the school district?
Mayor Lozeau
I don’t know.
Alderman Deane
What do we do with all of our recycling?
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Mayor Lozeau
I don’t know.
Alderman Deane
I’ll send the Public Works Director an e-mail. Maybe she has another phone number. This is just another
example of the disposable society that we live in. It never ceases to amaze me when you go down to the
land fill and you see the amount of electronic products. Especially those big projection TV’s. There are
some valuable metals, especially in computers that they cherry pick out of there.
Alderman Pressly
Just seeing the word recycling, and I live in a building where I was hoping there would be something done.
Is there any report or has anything been done on the recycling project for apartments and condos?
Mayor Lozeau
We have done a significant amount of work and we have come up with an idea that we were exploring. We
have met with vendors. It has been virtually impossible to find a night to meet when you look at the make-
up of the committee. I don’t know the results of the vendor meetings. I wasn’t able to attend that meeting. I
can tell you that I was impressed with the Tara Heights off of Exit 1. They actually have compact recycling
on-site that they provide for their residents.
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Demolition of 28 Fairmount Street and 73-75 Broad Street (Value: $88,830)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE CONTRACT TO
JAY-MOR ENTERPRISES IN THE AMOUNT OF $88,830. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN DEPARTMENT
160, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION/ENGINEERING; CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND; BROAD
STREET PARKWAY
MOTION CARRIED
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Deane
Where is the debris going?
Mayor Lozeau
I usually make sure I know the answer to that….
Alderman Deane
Is this the blue building on Broad Street?
Mayor Lozeau
It is the blue building on Broad Street – the house and the garage.
Alderman Deane
What are they doing with the flag pole?
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Mayor Lozeau
I did not ask them what they were doing with the flag pole. Where would you like it to go?
Alderman Deane
I would like to put a flag pole at our baseball field because we end up using the one across the street.
Mayor Lozeau
I think I can probably take care of that.
Alderman Deane
Didn’t Jay-Mor do some grinding for us at one time?
Mayor Lozeau
Jay-Mor has done a lot of work for us.
Alderman Deane
Are they the ones that own that CBI grinder that they bring down to the landfill?
Mayor Lozeau
I don’t think so, but maybe. I am not confident in giving you the answer on where this demo is going but I’ll
let you know. I have a Broad Street Parkway meeting tomorrow so I’ll let you know.
Alderman Deane
Which building is 28 Fairmount?
Mayor Lozeau
It’s the one right at the top of where Fifield Lane used to be.
Alderman Deane
Who is in charge of disconnecting all of the utilities?
Mayor Lozeau
The project is. The house is vacant and has been for quite a while. We wanted to put these two together to
get a better price.
Alderman Deane
Wasn’t this Francisco guy – isn’t he the one that tore down….
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Mayor Lozeau
44 Broad Street – and he did great job but when he bid on this he missed something in his bid so he
withdrew. The State and Federal Highway allowed us to go to the next lowest bidder which was Jay-Mor.
Alderman Deane
What did he miss?
Mayor Lozeau
It was something that increased the price. I don’t even know if it was specific, I think what happened was
after he was the lowest bidder and was awarded the contract and it went through the Board of Public
Works; he came back and said “I missed something that would add X to my price so I will withdraw.”
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Pipe Lining on West Hollis Street Requested by Public Works Engineering
(Value: $122,000)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD
THE CONTRACT TO INSITUFORM TECHNOLOGIES IN AN AMOUNT NOT-TO-EXCEED $122,000.
SOURCE OF FUNDING IS DEPARTMENT 169, WASTEWATER; WASTEWATER FUND; SEWER
REHAB
MOTION CARRIED
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
We talked about this a couple of meetings ago when we brought in the emergency because of the sewer
collapse on West Hollis Street. It was questionable back then on whether or not we were going to be able
line. We did replace 15 feet of the pipe that collapsed with a new pipe. This is 815 feet of pipe that we are
going to be lining in that general area - more than one pipe and multiple connections. When we had talked
about being able to do a single lane because the lining should allow us to be able to do that and only close
one lane at time - that may not be case here because of the extent of the work. They are going to try to do
that. They will put a Work Plan together for us. We don’t know how long it will take. It’s going to be
daytime work starting at 7:00 a.m. We will have to get a better idea of that when they come in and have the
Construction Planning Meeting. My understanding is that it will depend on the size of the equipment that
they are going to need they have to do a lot of video work. It’s my hope that it doesn’t take longer than a
couple of weeks.
Alderman Deane
Are they going to have to use a pumping system to by-pass some of this?
Mayor Lozeau
No, they will not have to do any by-pass work. The lining is a frozen form that they put in and then they
have to heat it with either hot water or steam so they will have something running into the pipe system for
that. I am told that usually takes about six hours.
Alderman Deane
What is the warranty on this work?
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Mayor Lozeau
We have been using it all over the city for a lot of different pipes. It’s not a straight 815 feet. The longest
stretch is 313 linear feet. I don’t see what the warranty is right now but I do know is that we have had great
luck with it. It has cost us significantly less than replacing the pipe.
Alderman Deane
Well, we know that because a while ago we talked about manhole structures that we were doing this with.
Mayor Lozeau
They did the sewer lining project for Burke Street…..
Alderman Deane
There’s a one-year warranty from the date of installation. I just found that. That’s not a long time.
Mayor Lozeau
No, that’s not a long time.
Alderman Deane
How old is this technology?
Mayor Lozeau
I can’t answer that question. I learned about it when we used it the first time, four or five years ago, and at
that time there was a lot of discussion about it. I do know that we haven’t had any trouble with what we
have used.
Alderman Deane
We have to supply them with a fire hose. Do we have one of those?
Mayor Lozeau
We work together with City Departments. They might be able to provide something from their training.
Alderman Deane
I think it would be a hard sell to tell the Fire Department that their fire hoses were going to down in the
sewer line. We also have to provide traffic control as needed, including police details and/or flag men and
special traffic control set-ups while work near or on local or state roads. The condition of the pipe is the
responsibility of the owner. Are we going to be allowed to open the hydrant?
Mayor Lozeau
It says that we have to provide the use of fire hydrants and/or sufficient water to complete the flushing and
access to that and the water supply will be within 500 feet – which we have.
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Alderman Deane
How are we going to pay for the details?
Mayor Lozeau
It will be part of the project.
Alderman Deane
It will be part of the project but not part of the cost.
Mayor Lozeau
We have funds in the Wastewater Budget, as you know, for these kinds of projects. For those items that
are outside the scope of this particular contract, the source of funds will be the same.
Alderman Deane
So, in reality, the cost of this project is going to be a lot higher than the $122,000.
Mayor Lozeau
It depends on how long it lasts and how many details need. I don’t think there’s much more that’s costly in
here. There’s going to be staff time involved and inspection time involved. 815 feet of pipe at $122,000 or
$200,000 is still a heck of deal.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – None
NEW BUSINESS – None
DISCUSSION
Alderman Pressly
I had heard via the Conservation Commission that there has been a land donation given in the southwest
quadrant by a Nashua family and there is going to be a memorial or a monument put up there. I’ve asked
Patty about it and she has said “yes, that’s true” and she was going to send me something about it but I
haven’t received it. I leave her messages.
Mayor Lozeau
She’s been out. She has some family medical issues going on right now. The only thing that sounds
familiar to as to what you are talking about is a land donation that happened many years ago. If you are
talking about the Tamposi land that had been donated in 2000 or 2003. I know that they went to the
Conservation Commission because part of that donation included putting some kind of plaque or monument
up that would recognize that it was donated by the Sam Tamposi, Sr. I know that they went to the
Conservation Commission to get permission on where to put it and they cleared out an area to put it in. I
haven’t seen it myself but it’s near Lovewell Pond.
Alderman Pressly
That must be it. How much land is involved? What do they plan to do with the land? Is it recreational?
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Mayor Lozeau
It is conservation land. Years ago when the southwest quadrant was developed, it included a donation of a
significant of amount of land, including land around Lovewell Pond that went to the Conservation
Commission. I think the memorial is already there and the Conservation Commission did give them
permission but I have personally not been there to see it.
RECORD OF EXPENDITURES
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS COMPLIED WITH THE
CITY CHARTER AND ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO THE RECORD OF EXPENDITURES FOR THE
PERIOD NOVEMBER 15, 2013 TO NOVEMBER 27, 2013
MOTION CARRIED
PUBLIC COMMENT - None
POSSIBLE NON-PUBLIC SESSION
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CRAFFEY TO ADJOURN
MOTION CARRIED
The Finance Committee meeting was adjourned at 7:38 p.m.
Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
Committee Clerk