Zoning Board of Adjustment
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · June 11, 2013
Minutes
ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PUBLIC HEARING AND MEETING
June 11, 2013
A public hearing of the Zoning Board of Adjustment was held on
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM in the Auditorium at City
Hall.
Gerry Reppucci, Chair, conducted the meeting.
Members present were:
Gerry Reppucci, Chair
Rob Shaw
J.P. Boucher
Rick Johnson
Jack Currier
David Creed
Carter Falk, AICP, Deputy Planning Manager/Zoning
Mr. Reppucci explained the Board's procedures, including the
points of law required for applicants to address relative to
variances and special exceptions. Mr. Reppucci explained how
testimony will be given by applicants, those speaking in favor
or in opposition to each request, as stated in the Zoning Board
of Adjustment (ZBA) By-laws. Mr. Reppucci also explained
procedures involving the timing light.
1. City of Nashua (Owner) Bridge on Manchester Street over
Pennichuck Brook, requesting special exception to work in
the 75-foot prime wetland and wetland buffer of Pennichuck
Brook to replace the Manchester Street bridge, widen the
roadway, add a sidewalk, drainage swales, and associated
site improvements. R18 Zone, Ward 3.
Voting on this case:
Gerry Reppucci
Jack Currier
Rob Shaw
JP Boucher
Rick Johnson
CASE WAS TABLED TO THE 6-25-13 MEETING.
2. Brar Holdings, LLC (Owner) Ripaldi Construction Services,
Inc. (Applicant) 31-33 Broad Street (Sheet 61 Lot 5)
requesting special exception to expand an existing dentist
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office by constructing a 312 square foot addition for two
exam rooms. RA Zone, Ward 4.
Voting on this case:
Gerry Reppucci
Jack Currier
Rob Shaw
JP Boucher
Rick Johnson
Peter Ripaldi, Ripaldi Construction Services, Nashua, NH. Mr.
Ripaldi said they are requesting to add two handicapped
accessible exam rooms, they will be on the first floor, and
located in the rear of the building.
Mr. Reppucci asked the applicant if he’d like his application to
stand for itself.
Mr. Ripaldi said that is fine, the application should be
thorough.
Mr. Currier asked if it will be a one or two story addition.
Mr. Ripaldi said it will be one story.
Mr. Currier asked how the dentist’s office got there in the
first place, and approximately what year.
Mr. Falk said it’s been there a long time, he said that they
have paperwork dating back to the 1960’s and 1970’s, they did
get a use variance.
SPEAKING IN FAVOR:
No one.
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OR WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS:
Tom Nguyen, 35 Broad Street, Nashua, NH. Mr. Nguyen asked to
understand the basics of what they are asking for.
Mr. Falk said they’re here because the use of the land is only
allowed as a special exception, which is a permitted use
providing the applicant meets the points of law. He said they do
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not need any dimensional variances, and all the setbacks are
met.
MOTION by Mr. Shaw to approve the application on behalf of the
applicant. Mr. Shaw stated that the use is listed in the Table
of Uses, Section 190-119 (A)(4). He stated that the use will
not create undue traffic congestion or will not unduly impair
pedestrian safety. He said it will not overload public water,
sewer drainage or other municipal systems.
Mr. Shaw stated that special regulations are fulfilled, and the
use will not be out of character with the neighborhood, or be
detrimental to the health, morals or welfare of residents.
SECONDED by Mr. Boucher.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.
3. Edmund & Christel Dobens (Owners) MET General Contracting,
Inc. (Applicant) 11 Berwick Street (Sheet H Lot 501)
requesting variance to exceed maximum driveway width, 24
feet allowed, 17 feet existing, an additional 24 feet
requested. R9 Zone, Ward 2.
Voting on this case:
Gerry Reppucci
Jack Currier
J.P. Boucher
Rick Johnson
Rob Shaw
Mark Twardoski, MET General Contracting, Inc., Merrimack, NH.
Mr. Twardoski said that they have an existing 17 foot wide
driveway on one corner of the property, and they’re adding a
detached garage, and they’re asking for approval for a 24 foot
wide driveway.
Mr. Twardoski said he filled out a thoroughly complete
application, and said he’d like it to stand on its own merit.
Mr. Currier said the foundation for the garage is already built,
and ask how it got started with the driveway issue not settled
yet.
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Mr. Twardoski said that the permit was issued for the garage
foundation, but subsequently, it was determined that the
driveway curb-cut width would be greater than 24 feet. He said
that nothing was done to circumvent the Ordinance, if anything,
it was both he and the City that were unsure of what the
interpretation of the Ordinance would be.
Mr. Falk reiterated that Mr. Twardoski did nothing wrong, he’s
highly respected by staff, and is extremely honest. He said the
whole thing was a misunderstanding, of no fault of the
applicant.
Mr. Reppucci asked if it was the width of the driveway within
the front yard setback.
Mr. Falk affirmed that is the issue, and that is what they are
applying for.
Mr. Currier said that this isn’t like a typical street, it’s
like the end of a horseshoe, and concurs that there isn’t a lot
of traffic.
SPEAKING IN FAVOR:
No one.
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OR WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS:
None.
MOTION by Mr. Boucher to approve the variance, as advertised.
Mr. Boucher stated that the variance is needed to enable the
applicant’s proposed use of the property, given the special
conditions of the property, and the benefit sought by the
applicant cannot be achieved by some other method reasonably
feasible for the applicant to pursue, other than an area
variance.
Mr. Boucher said that the request is within the spirit and
intent of the ordinance, also, the Board finds that it will not
impact property values, it is not contrary to the public
interest, and by granting the variance, substantial justice will
be served.
SECONDED by Mr. Currier.
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MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.
4. Marie B. Dionne (Owner) Crimson Properties, LLC (Applicant)
63 King Street (Sheet 13 Lot 16) requesting the following
variances: Lot 16: 1) minimum lot width, 60 feet
required, 50 feet proposed, 2) minimum lot area, 6,000
square feet required, 5,912 square feet proposed; Lot 18:
3) minimum lot width, 60 feet required, 50 feet proposed,
and 4) confirmation that Lot 16 and Lot 18 are not merged.
RB Zone, Ward 7.
Voting on this case:
Gerry Reppucci
Jack Currier
Rob Shaw
J.P. Boucher
Rick Johnson
Attorney Brad Westgate, Winer and Bennett, Nashua, NH. Atty.
Westgate identified the maps on the bulletin board, depicting
the lots in the neighborhood and a historical copy of the land
use plan. He said the property consists of three old lots. He
said the lot on the right shows historical Lot 18, and to the
back is a 30’x100’ section of land. He said these properties
were laid out on Plan 144.
Atty. Westgate said the lots are 50’x100’ or 125’ lots. He said
if the request is approved, they’d build a new single-family
home on original Lot 16, and the existing single family home
staying on Lot 18. He said that the property is in the RB
zoning district, which requires a 6,000 square foot minimum lot
size, 60 foot lot width, and 50 foot lot frontage. He said the
properties have 50 foot frontage lots, and they need a variance
for width. He said that the intent is to have two parcels,
separate, Lot 16 and Lot 18, with the rear portion, that would
each house a single family dwelling, the existing one on 18 and
the rear portion, and a new one on Lot 16.
Atty. Westgate said the entire property is about 14,800 square
feet, and is large enough to accommodate a duplex dwelling
without a variance, but want to use a density neutral approach
and have single family homes instead. He described the other
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uses in the neighborhood, which is a mix of single family,
duplex units and he described the nearby lot sizes.
Atty. Westgate went over all the variance points of law, and
went over all the special conditions of the property to support
the variance requests. He said that he prepared a draft motion
for the Board to consider should the request be supported. He
handed out some handouts for the Board.
Atty. Westgate said that the applicant found a small mound of
asbestos in the front of the property. He said it will be dealt
with and handled properly according to DES guidelines.
Mr. Currier asked why the rear lot is going to be added to the
other lot, so they’d go straight back and the variance for lot
area wouldn’t be needed.
Atty. Westgate said the existing house slightly encroaches into
that rear lot, and since the new house would be built closer to
King Street, it would be more sensible to have the entire rear
portion as back yard for the existing house, and it also enables
both lots to exist in their original configuration, so they’d be
conveyable simply off Plan 144. He said they’re only 88 square
feet short, so it’s almost an academic exercise to move a lot
line such a very short distance.
Mr. Currier said that the vacant lot is like a kettle hole of
land, and asked if there is any standing water there.
Atty. Westgate said that in concurrence with Randy Turmel,
Crimson Properties, the applicant, they are not aware of any
issues, and that the soil is pretty well drained soil.
Mr. Currier asked if there will be any grade change once the new
house is built.
Randy Turmel, Crimson Properties. Mr. Turmel stated that they
would bring the foundation a few feet above the existing grade,
and taper the soil so that it drains away from the house.
Mr. Currier said that he wanted to hear that the house can be
built, without runoff problems.
Mr. Turmel said he hasn’t had an engineer on site to look at it,
but it’s absolutely the goal to not create an adverse affect to
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any of the neighbors. He said they’d take proper measures for
drainage, for gutters, to discharge the water into the ground.
He said he’s never witnessed a water problem, but said he
doesn’t live there.
SPEAKING IN FAVOR:
No one.
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OR WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS:
Gerry Parent, Litchfield, NH, family owns 61 King Street,
Nashua, NH. Mr. Parent said that the existing house is about a
foot from his property line. He said that a long time ago, the
property was a farm, and it was later subdivided. He said he’s
personally never seen standing water on her land, it’s very
flat, but said that he tends to get all the rain from the hill
into his yard. He said his concern is that a duplex won’t be
built there, since the lot is small. He said he does have
concerns with water, and asked if the driveway could be made
with material that is pervious and absorbs water.
Mr. Reppucci said the Board is only looking at the requested
variances, the type of driveway they build is outside the
responsibility of the Board.
Mr. Reppucci stated that it appears as if the work to be done is
not on the abutting lot, but the next one over, so the impacts
could be negligible. He said he’s having a hard time seeing the
impact on Mr. Parent’s property.
Mr. Parent said that the problem is that the old house is only
about a foot from the property line, they can’t even paint it
without going on his property.
Mr. Reppucci reiterated that he didn’t see an issue, or a
connection with the proposed single family home being built on
the vacant lot, and the impact on Mr. Parent’s lot.
Mr. Parent said there may not be a connection, but is concerned
about the water, and that they may need variances in the future.
Mr. Reppucci said the Board is only considering what is before
them this evening, and that any other work in the future would
have to be considered at such time in the future.
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Sally Eastman, 69 King Street, Nashua, NH. Mrs. Eastman said
her concern is about the asbestos in the yard, and when they
were digging, they left 2 big pieces in her yard. She brought
them in to show the Board. She said she wants to make sure they
dig it right, and have the EPA checking it out.
Mr. Reppucci said that the Board doesn’t have anything to do
with the asbestos, there are other Agencies in the State that
deal with asbestos.
Mrs. Eastman confirmed that there is a problem with water on the
site.
Mr. Reppucci read a letter from Mr. Shattuck at 64 King Street,
who is in opposition to any building construction on the lot.
SPEAKING IN FAVOR – REBUTTAL:
Atty. Westgate said that Mr. Turmel has dealt with asbestos
remediation on a number of properties, and he knows it must be
taken care of with the proper protocol from the State, and the
appropriate DES regulations and arrangements.
Atty. Westgate said they’re aware that they have to work with
the neighbors, to make certain that they don’t increase their
own liability with their neighbors. He said that they are aware
that they need to take care of their drainage within the
confines of what the law permits. He said that Hayner Swanson
will be in the loop figuring out how to handle any drainage
questions that come up. He said they will coordinate with the
neighbors about the drainage. He said the plan is to keep the
existing home there, and rehab it.
Mr. Reppucci said that even though the Planning Board doesn’t
have to review the engineering plan to handle the water off the
lot, it’s certainly a requirement of the Building Department
that water runoff that’s created by the construction of this
property not affect any of the abutting properties.
Atty. Westgate said that he didn’t want to answer for the
Building Department, but they have a civil liability that they
can’t put drainage and stormwater onto our abutting properties
in a manner that will disrupt what is historically existing.
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Mr. Currier said there’s no comment on the plan about water
runoff. He said there is no data before them about the runoff,
no professional comment. He said he thinks it’s a small
request, or stipulation, that a professional engineer sign off
that there won’t be a drainage runoff problem with the property.
Atty. Westgate said that Hayner Swanson has not analyzed this
request from a drainage perspective yet, they just prepared the
concept plan on how these lots would fit on the property. He
said that they should be obligated by a civil responsibility, to
the extent that they’re not increasing rates of flow, for
example, onto other properties, or cause a nuisance from a legal
sense by allowing stormwater to run off of our property onto
abutting properties in a manner that overwhelms the historical
usage that’s been experienced. He said if the Board feels that
a stormwater analysis be part of a building permit process, he
could see the login in that. He said that engineers cannot
guarantee absolutes, but they can work to design a stormwater
management arrangement that can show that he’s not violating his
civil obligations, which they wouldn’t want to do anyways. He
said that perhaps a drainage analysis could be a component of
the building permit process might be a logical condition.
Mr. Currier agreed, and said that for the asbestos abatement, is
to pour good stuff on the bad stuff. He said the most
appropriate way to go is to dig it out and cover it over.
Atty. Westgate said that they should leave it up to the State.
He said that asbestos abatement is very well regulated, and many
site protocols have to be rigorously prepared by qualified
firms, submitted to DES for their approval.
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OR WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS – REBUTTAL:
No comments.
Mr. Reppucci said that there’s no evidence that there’s a water
issue, or problem here. He said there was no professional
testimony, or evidence that there’s flooding problems in this
area in any way. He said he believed that for the Board to put
stipulations on a case where there is no evidence or proof that
there’s a water problem goes beyond what the Board should do.
He said that if the lot was just a little bit larger, they could
build a house there by right, without the Boards input at all.
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He said the Board has no expertise in the water issue, and there
is no expert testimony saying that there is a problem in this
area.
Mr. Currier said he believes that there is clear evidence with
the water. He said abutters on either side have said so. He
said he takes that testimony as credible, and it’s been
presented to the Board. He said with the kettle hole of a lot,
and the abutters testimony, it’s clear evidence that water is an
issue. He said he’d like to see an assessment that the water
runoff, post-development, will not be more than pre-development.
He said his concern is that if there will be water runoff, it’ll
be on the abutters property.
Mr. Boucher said if he understands Mr. Currier, he wants to see
a statement that he wants to make it a responsibility of the
applicant.
Mr. Currier said he wants to see a stipulation that a
professional engineer approves that the post-development runoff
will not exceed the pre-development runoff.
Mr. Shaw said it’s really just reinforcement of the testimony of
the civil obligation to be met, and want to see a statement by a
professional engineer. He said that there are all types of
events with runoff, and we’re talking about this in a general
sense, and from general runoff, to major storm events such as a
500-year event. He said his sense is that something can be
accomplished in a general sense.
Mr. Reppucci said if he were an engineer, he’d be very reluctant
to put something like this in writing, and put his stamp on it.
He said it will be hard to make a recommendation, without
knowing the impact of the recommendation.
Mr. Shaw said the engineer would state something like under
their best judgment, application of all the knowledge they have,
perhaps the post-development would be no worse than the original
situation. He said that engineers are called upon to do this
all the time. He said that there are specs that are written to
take care of this.
Mr. Currier said that any swale in the City, or in the State, in
the past twenty or thirty years, isn’t done by just digging it,
it’s done by a straightforward assessment of what’s the runoff
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coming in, this is what the soil is, and this is what it’ll do
to accommodate it.
Mr. Creed said he agrees with where Mr. Reppucci stands on this.
He said that he doesn’t think that it’s a valid approach to
require the engineering document after-the-fact. He said the
appropriate approach, if something is missing, would be to table
this request. He said if the Board doesn’t have all the facts,
we cannot make a decision on the record. He said for this
particular issue, he said he’s inclined to favor this. He said
he thought that what they want to do is the best approach to do
that. He said in regards to the water runoff, if that is such a
great concern, the Board should either vote against it if it’s
too great a concern.
Mr. Johnson asked if this case were to go before the Planning
Board, but wasn’t sure if it’s in the Building Inspector’s mind
to alert any possible drainage or runoff issues, and if there
are any issues, asked if there’s anything internal before the
permit is signed that addresses the runoff.
Mr. Falk said he can’t answer for the Building Department, or
exactly what codes they look at. He said he believes they look
at the grade, and the foundation, during the rough inspection.
He said if they see an obvious problem, they’ll investigate.
Mr. Johnson said that given the percentage of the land that can
be built on, asked if there is some internal process of looking
as safeguards.
Mr. Falk said that there is an open space percentage of the lot
that must be met, plus the building setbacks.
Mr. Shaw said that if the Board has a stipulation that requires
a professional engineer’s statement regarding the runoff that’s
been discussed, it seems as if it would be the Planning
Departments responsibility to have it to sign off on the plan.
Mr. Reppucci closed the Public Meeting, and opened the Public
Hearing again.
Atty. Westgate said that engineers look at many factors in
deciding runoff issues when they design a subdivision. He said
that he wondered if the stipulation has enough detail for the
engineer to understand how to satisfy. He suggested one
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stipulation that prior to the issuance of a building permit for
original Lot 16, a stormwater management report would be
submitted that is acceptable to the Community Development
Division. He said that alternatively, the case could be tabled
to a date certain, so that Mr. Petropulos could come to the
meeting.
Mr. Reppucci asked Atty. Westgate which date they’d like the
case to be tabled to.
Atty. Westgate said the July 9, 2013 meeting would be the
preferred date.
Mr. Shaw said that the Board got very focused on the water
issue, and asked if the Board had any strong concerns about the
division of the property.
Mr. Reppucci said that the Board didn’t spend time discussing
the rest of the application.
Mr. Currier said he was concerned about over-development, but
Atty. Westgate’s testimony about having a stipulation for a
single-family home is a positive move. He said the dimensional
issues didn’t raise a problem with him.
Mr. Johnson concurred.
Mr. Shaw said the lot could be divided up in some different
ways, but after hearing the placement of the existing house and
the rear yard to that structure, said that it’s so close to
meeting the ordinance. He said the Board has looked at the
least amount of nonconforming aspects of the application, but
when all the facts of the case was considered, he said its
worthy that the slight underage of land, and the lot width, is
consistent with the neighborhood and the historic aspects of the
neighborhood.
Mr. Reppucci said no one seemed to be concerned with the new
house, just the water.
MOTION by Mr. Reppucci to Table the request to a date certain of
July 9, 2013, and that the Board opens the Public Hearing with
specific presentation by the applicant and anybody with
questions or concerns to the water runoff issue, and nothing
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more than that. He said that after further thought, we should
just consider the whole case.
Mr. Johnson said that there are four dimensional variances that
were applied for, so he said that we’d be tabling all four
variances.
Mr. Reppucci retracted his earlier motion, and said we’ll just
table it to a date certain and have the Public Hearing, with the
applicant knowing that the only thing that’s of concern to the
Board is the issue we raised.
SECONDED by Mr. Shaw.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0
MISCELLANEOUS:
REGIONAL IMPACT:
Mr. Shaw identified a typo on the next agenda, it said “June
11”, and it should say “June 25”. Mr. Falk said that staff
would correct it.
The Board did not see any cases with Regional Impact.
MINUTES:
May 14, 2013:
MOTION by Mr. Reppucci to approve the minutes, waive the
reading, and place the minutes in the file.
SECONDED by Mr. Johnson.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.
ADJOURNMENT:
Mr. Reppucci called the meeting closed at 8:55 p.m.
Submitted by: Mr. Johnson, Clerk.
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ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
JUNE 11, 2013
AMENDED AGENDA
1. City of Nashua (Owner) Bridge on Manchester Street over
Pennichuck Brook, requesting special exception to work in
the 75-foot prime wetland and wetland buffer of Pennichuck
Brook to replace the Manchester Street bridge, widen the
roadway, add a sidewalk, drainage swales, and associated
site improvements. R18 Zone, Ward 3. [TABLED TO 6-25-13
MEETING]
2. Brar Holdings, LLC (Owner) Ripaldi Construction Services,
Inc. (Applicant) 31-33 Broad Street (Sheet 61 Lot 5)
requesting special exception to expand an existing dentist
office by constructing a 312 square foot addition for two
exam rooms. RA Zone, Ward 4.
3. Edmund & Christel Dobens (Owners) MET General Contracting,
Inc. (Applicant) 11 Berwick Street (Sheet H Lot 501)
requesting variance to exceed maximum driveway width, 24
feet allowed, 17 feet existing, an additional 24 feet
requested. R9 Zone, Ward 2.
4. Marie B. Dionne (Owner) Crimson Properties, LLC (Applicant)
63 King Street (Sheet 13 Lot 16) requesting the following
variances: Lot 16: 1) minimum lot width, 60 feet required,
50 feet proposed, 2) minimum lot area, 6,000 square feet
required, 5,912 square feet proposed; Lot 18: 3) minimum
lot width, 60 feet required, 50 feet proposed, and 4)
confirmation that Lot 16 and Lot 18 are not merged. RB
Zone, Ward 7.
OTHER BUSINESS:
1. Review of Motion for Rehearing:
2. Review of upcoming agenda to determine proposals of
regional impact.
3. Approval of Minutes for previous hearings/meetings.
May 14, 2013
"SUITABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE SENSORY IMPAIRED
WILL BE PROVIDED UPON ADEQUATE ADVANCE NOTICE."
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