Zoning Board of Adjustment
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · March 24, 2015
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ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PUBLIC HEARING AND MEETING
March 24, 2015
A public hearing of the Zoning Board of Adjustment was held on
Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 6:30 PM in Room 208, City Hall.
Rick Johnson, Chair, conducted the meeting.
Members present were:
Rob Shaw
Jack Currier
Gerry Reppucci
J.P. Boucher
Rick Johnson
Carter Falk, AICP, Deputy Planning Manager/Zoning
Mr. Johnson explained the Board's procedures, including the
points of law required for applicants to address relative to
variances and special exceptions. Mr. Johnson explained how
testimony will be given by applicants, those speaking in favor
or in opposition to each request, as stated in the Zoning Board
of Adjustment (ZBA) By-laws. Mr. Johnson also explained
procedures involving the timing light.
1. Nashua 281 Realty Ventures, LLC, c/o Charles River Realty
(Owner) DXL Men’s Apparel (Applicant) 281 Daniel Webster
Highway (Sheet A Lot 975) requesting variance to exceed
maximum ground sign area, 150 sq.ft allowed, 150 sq.ft
existing, an additional 50 sq.ft proposed for a total of
200 sq.ft. HB Zone, Ward 7.
Voting on this case:
Rick Johnson
Rob Shaw
Gerry Reppucci
Jack Currier
J.P. Boucher
Bruce Bailey, Bailey Signs, Westbrook, Maine. Mr. Bailey said
that they are seeking to increase the square footage at the
site; he said it’s a unique parcel because it has two lots,
where Bobs Furniture and Eastern Mountain Sports are there, and
the upcoming DXL Men’s Apparel. He said it is a corner lot with
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frontage on Daniel Webster Highway. He said that the existing
ground sign is 150 square feet, and it is split between the two
tenants. He said to add the DXL sign, he said that instead of
having two signs because it is a corner lot, they thought it
would be better to consolidate and have all the sign panels on
one structure.
Mr. Bailey said that for addressing the points of law, the most
important one is the safety issue. He said that by combining
the square footage for three tenants into one freestanding sign
makes it possible to list all the tenants in one place, rather
than have multiple signs along the roadside, reducing the
distractions on the right-of-way. He said that a multi-tenant
sign is in conformity with many other multi-tenant signs in the
area.
Mr. Bailey said that the sign will not harm the public safety or
the welfare of the public, and the deviation from the ordinance
would be consistent with helping the health and safety of the
public by limiting roadside clutter, and combining multiple
freestanding signs into one structure, and it will be more
convenient for the public.
Mr. Bailey said that substantial justice will be done to the
property, as allowing the increased square footage will allow
for increased direction for the way finding public without the
second freestanding sign. He said that the sign would be
compatible with other freestanding signs in the area.
Mr. Bailey said that the proposal will not diminish property
values, by adding additional square footage to this already
existing freestanding sign, it eliminates the need for an
additional freestanding sign at this location, therefore it
reduces roadside clutter. He said the sign is aesthetically
pleasing.
Mr. Bailey said that there is no available room for the multi-
tenanted center, it sits back from the road several hundred
feet, much farther than other commercial centers in the area,
and the sign panel does need to be legible for passing motorists
to be effective. He said that by allowing the variance, it will
allow all the tenants to have signage on one sign instead of
multiple signs. He said the best alternative is to have just
one sign with all the tenants represented on it. He said that
there have been several other businesses, such as TJ Maxx and
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Sun Plaza that have been granted variances in the area for
additional square footage, and the request is reasonable. He
said that since they have a corner lot, they could have two
ground signs.
Mr. Currier asked if another sign could go on Danforth Avenue,
and what the space was before it was the DXL store.
SPEAKING IN FAVOR:
Justin Ferris, Charles River Realty. He said that it used to be
Borders Books, and Eastern Mountain Sports took their signage,
but they didn’t take the entire space, they left about 5,000
square feet, which is being used by DXL. He said that Eastern
Mountain Sports has been there since about 2012. He said that
Eastern Mountain and DXL are on one parcel, and Bob’s Furniture
at 283 Daniel Webster Highway is on another parcel of land.
Mr. Shaw said that the Code does allow for two signs on a corner
lot, but with these two lots, he asked if the City if each lot
would be allowed to have their own ground sign.
Mr. Falk said that the number of lots is really irrelevant, the
site plan was approved with the two lots together, and it’s
really one premise, one site plan. He said that for example, the
Nashua Mall has about nine different lots, but they only have
two ground signs, along with an old non-conforming highway sign.
He said the sign at the corner services all the tenants in the
building.
Mr. Currier asked what the “plan B” would entail if the Board
didn’t support this request.
Mr. Ferris said that they’d look into what they could get for
DXL being set so far back from the highway, its key for them to
have signage that’s in line with others along Daniel Webster
Highway, as well as the other tenants on this premise.
Mr. Falk said that the front of the store is about two football
fields back from Daniel Webster Highway.
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OR WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS:
No one.
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MOTION by Mr. Currier to approve the variance request on behalf
of the owner as advertised. Mr. Currier stated that the
variance is needed to enable the applicant’s proposed use of the
property, which is to allow the third tenant at this site to
have some signage on the existing sign at 281 DW Highway.
Mr. Currier said that the request is within the spirit and
intent of the ordinance; he said that the applicant can have a
separate free-standing sign on Danforth Avenue, but would prefer
to be on Daniel Webster Highway. He said that it will not
adversely affect the property values of surrounding parcels, it
is not contrary to the public interest, being that it’s an HB
zone and heavily trafficked and there is a lot of signage in
that area.
Mr. Currier said that it is the intent of the Board that it is
allowing this overage at this location in lieu of signage on
Danforth Avenue, and it is the Boards expectation that this will
be the only sign, and the area of the sign is 200 square feet
already.
SECONDED by Mr. Reppucci.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.
MISCELLANEOUS:
REHEARING REQUESTS:
1. Alison T. Slater (Owner) Russell Slater (Applicant) 15
Colonial Avenue (Sheet D Lot 497) requesting variance for
lot width, 105 feet required – 50 feet proposed, to
subdivide one lot into two lots. R30 Zone, Ward 5.
[TABLED FROM 1-13-15 MEETING; AND CONTINUED FROM 1-27-15
CANCELLED MEETING].
Mr. Falk said that at the last meeting on March 10, 2015 the
Board discussed this case, and there were only four members
present, and the Board decided to table the request to tonight’s
meeting.
Mr. Johnson asked Mr. Reppucci if he’s had a chance to review
the minutes.
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Mr. Reppucci said that he watched the meeting, and said he’s
completely familiar with the case.
MOTION by Mr. Shaw to remove the case from the table.
SECONDED by Mr. Johnson.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.
Mr. Johnson said that on February 10, 2015, the Board heard the
case, and determined that this needs to be looked at as a Fisher
v. Dover case. He said that the Board had originally felt that
they wouldn’t proceed any further, and the owner brought forward
a letter with seven points raised.
Voting on this case:
Rick Johnson
Jack Currier
Gerry Reppucci
Rob Shaw
J.P. Boucher
Mr. Johnson said that this was about the Fisher v. Dover issue.
He said that the best way to handle this is to do it one point
at a time.
Mr. Johnson read the seven different points raised in the owners
letter. He asked if there was any procedural error, which
includes improper notice, denying someone the right to be heard,
etc.
Mr. Currier said no.
Mr. Shaw said no.
Mr. Boucher said no.
Mr. Reppucci said no.
Mr. Johnson asked if it was an illegal decision, in other words,
did the Board fail to completely address each of the points of
law required for the special exception and/or variance.
Mr. Currier said no.
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Mr. Shaw said no.
Mr. Boucher said no.
Mr. Reppucci said he didn’t believe that the question was
applicable to this, the question is more applicable to an actual
variance or special exception rehearing request, it’s not
applicable to what we are deciding, which is to actually
consider the case. He said the question is whether or not it’s
an illegal decision is a good question, but the people that
supported not hearing the case think the decision is one way,
and the people that supported hearing the case think another
way. He said that the question isn’t really proper, and it’s
not a hearing to consider those things.
Mr. Johnson concurred, in this circumstance.
Mr. Reppucci said that he doesn’t think that the Board did
anything illegal in making our decision.
Mr. Johnson asked if there is any new information not presented
or available to the Board at the original public hearing.
Mr. Currier said no.
Mr. Shaw said no.
Mr. Reppucci said no, nothing of substance.
Mr. Boucher said at the last meeting, he may have said no to the
wrong thing, he said he still has questions on this.
Mr. Johnson said he still has questions too, with respect to
number three or four.
Mr. Johnson asked if there is anything which would/could cause
the Board to make a different decision.
Mr. Currier said no.
Mr. Shaw said no.
Mr. Reppucci said no.
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Mr. Johnson said for him, the issue had to do with the T versus
the cul-de-sac, that’s where he said he was struggling, because
of the 2006 code, and the changes that were brought forth from
that. He said when the case was first denied in 2003, does that
typically make that a substantive change.
Mr. Boucher said that he and Mr. Johnson have the same opinion
but for different reasons. He said the material change, not in
the land, but in circumstances affecting the application, so in
Brandt Development v. Somersworth, they talked about changes
that happened, if it had come today, it would have been granted,
so there was a change in the code, so that today the decision
was that it could not be denied because of that reason, because
it was a change in circumstance around that code.
Mr. Johnson said that is what he struggled with, that the codes
changed.
Mr. Boucher said they have the right to come back, and it can’t
be looked at as a second bite of the fruit, and it doesn’t
necessarily mean that it’ll be approved the second time around,
it just means that things have changed enough that they should
be allowed to come back. He said that the decision may be no
different from the first time.
Mr. Reppucci said that in the Brandt case, the substantial
change in the code affected the way that property would be
considered, the relief that property was requiring, in this
case, was exactly the same relief that they applied for in 2003,
it was the same. He said that he’s looking at this in kind of a
simple way, at the end of the day, the property that was
contemplated by the ZBA in 2003 and was denied, is now
requesting, in its totality, a more intensive use than it was in
2003 when it was denied, and this particular specific piece of
property, and the relief that they’re requesting isn’t impacted
by the code changes in 2006, it’s exactly the same on that piece
of property, the cul-de-sac or the T has nothing to do with it.
He said he didn’t see the code changes as relevant, unless it
changed the required relief that they need for this property.
Mr. Shaw said that it was originally three lots, and now there
would be two, which removed one of the variance requests, and
we’re back to the same footprint and the same application. He
said the thing that is slightly different is the new request
only seeks to have one variance relief for the lot width, 150
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feet is required, and 50 is proposed. He said that because of
the cul-de-sac placement, now they don’t need to ask for the
frontage variance, so on one hand, they’re looking at a slightly
lower hurdle because the code did change, but the actual request
is virtually the same.
Mr. Reppucci said that the letter brought up his comment about
that the Board should consult the City Attorney, and he didn’t
do that. He said he was just thinking out loud, and it wasn’t a
decision for this Board, and it wasn’t a question that was
appropriate to ask them.
MOTION by Mr. Currier on behalf of the owner to not rehear the
application again, and let the Board’s initial decision that it
does not meet the Fisher v. Dover test. He said that a majority
of the Board answers the four questions as no.
SECONDED by Mr. Reppucci. He said that the Board sees the use
of this specific piece of property so similar to the original
application, that that specific piece of property is what we’re
finding so similar that it doesn’t deserve to be reconsidered.
Mr. Johnson said that he’d like to add that some of the members
of the Board find that the Brandt v. Somersworth case was
discussed and considered the laws changing and the ability to
rehear the case.
Mr. Reppucci said he doesn’t oppose the Brandt v. Somersworth
reference being in there, but as a general practice, the Board
doesn’t make motions that include the dissenting point of view.
He said the fact that people don’t support the motion indicates
that they have the dissenting point of view, and the record of
the discussion is what goes forward.
Mr. Johnson said that the Board has had motions in the past
where there has been some discussion, or dissent.
Mr. Shaw said that he’s agreeing with Mr. Reppucci, he said he
didn’t see the need for that, its part of the record, and it
shows what topics we’ve covered to come up with our decision.
MOTION CARRIED 3-2 (Mr. Johnson and Mr. Boucher).
MISCELLANEOUS:
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MINUTES:
3-10-15:
MOTION by Mr. Currier to approve the minutes as presented, waive
the reading, and place in the file.
SECONDED by Mr. Shaw.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.
REGIONAL IMPACT:
Mr. Falk said that there is an extra week in the schedule, and
Staff is still accepting applications. He said once the Agenda
is set, he’ll email a copy to all the members.
BY-LAWS:
Mr. Johnson said that in the past, there has been discussion
about Alternate member participation. He gave Members a handout
of other city’s by-laws with respect to Alternates.
Discussion ensued about Member and Alternate member roles,
participation, and voting rights. The Board decided to leave
the By-Laws as they are.
ADJOURNMENT:
Mr. Johnson called the meeting closed at 8:00 p.m.
Submitted by: Mr. Boucher, Clerk.
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ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
MARCH 24, 2015
AMENDED AGENDA
1. Nashua 281 Realty Ventures, LLC, c/o Charles River Realty
(Owner) DXL Men’s Apparel (Applicant) 281 Daniel Webster
Highway (Sheet A Lot 975) requesting variance to exceed
maximum ground sign area, 150 sq.ft allowed, 150 sq.ft
existing, an additional 50 sq.ft proposed for a total of 200
sq.ft. HB Zone, Ward 7.
OTHER BUSINESS:
1. Review of Motion for Rehearing:
2. Review of upcoming agenda to determine proposals of regional
impact.
3. Approval of Minutes for previous hearings/meetings:
March 10
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