Building & Zoning Committee
Regular MeetingNiles, IL · August 11, 2010
Minutes
“Where People Count”
Community Development
1000 Civic Center Drive, Niles, Illinois 60714
Mayor Telephone (847) 588-8040 ● Fax (847) 588-8050 ● TDD (847) 588-8059
Robert M. Callero
Trustees August 11, 2010
Chris Hanusiak
James T. Hynes
Joe LoVerde Building and Zoning Committee Meeting 6:30 p.m.
Louella B. Preston
Andrew Przybylo In Attendance:
Alan Weel Robert M. Callero – Mayor
Village Manager
George Van Geem – Village Manager
George R. Van Geem Andrew Przybylo – Village Trustee
Tom Kanelos – Planning & Zoning Committee
Village Clerk James Hynes – Village Trustee
Marlene J. Victorine Chris Hanusiak – Village Trustee
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Chuck Ostman – Community Development Director
Community Rich Wlodarski – Community Development Assistant Director
Development Bonnie Jacobson – Planning Coordinator
Director Mary Ann Starzynski – Recording
Charles Ostman
Also in attendance:
Dennis Vaccaro – Niles Chamber of Commerce (RV Enterprises, Ltd.)
Absent:
Steve Vinezeano – Assistant Village Manager
Joe Annunzio – Village Attorney
Meeting called to order at 6:30 p.m. by Andrew Przybylo.
Approval of Minutes: Andrew Przybylo asked if the previous minutes were okay. Tom
Kanelos moved to approve the minutes, seconded by James Hynes, all approved.
The meeting consisted of two Power Point presentations. The first presentation was given
by Charles Ostman which contained information related to items reviewed at the first
meeting held on July 14, 2010. The second presentation was given by Bonnie Jacobson
which included new items that had not been reviewed at the first meeting.
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PRESENTATION #1 – Chuck Ostman
GROUND SIGNS
Current sign code – permitted
1) Require a minimum of 100’ of frontage:
i) 0 – 99’ frontage – No ground sign permitted
ii) 100’ – 599’ frontage – 1 sign permitted
iii) 600’ or more of frontage – 2 signs permitted
2) Corner lot can apply all street frontages to meet minimum requirement.
3) Must be centered on property as practical.
4) Ground sign area is not counted towards maximum building sign area.
5) Bonus for landscaping – each square foot of landscape results in:
i) 1 additional square foot in area
ii) 2 additional feet in height
Current sign code – Height
1) Maximum height of sign = ½ the distance to the centerline of the road.
i) Exception: embellishment not counted towards height
ii) Example: Milwaukee Avenue 100’ wide, centerline is 50’ and ½ the distance is 25’ plus
setback from property line.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) Monument signs 10 feet high.
2) Pole Signs 25 feet high.
3) Same height requirements for business and manufacturing districts.
4) Ground signs included in maximum signage calculation for site.
5) Landscaping required – 1 foot around site base, 2 feet high shrubs and ground cover; 4 feet high for
pole signs. Variation from ZBA, if decorative base.
Recommendation: Staff
1) No ground sign shall exceed a height of 20 feet for a single tenant or to the top of the lowest level of
any roof or facade line of the associated building, whichever is less, with the following exceptions:
i) Maximum height of 22’ for shopping centers having 10 or more tenants and more than 120
square feet of GLA
ii) Maximum height of 32’ for malls over 500,000 square feet in GLA and having ONLY the
shopping center name on the ground sign.
2) Same height requirements for business and manufacturing districts.
3) The total permitted building sign area would now include the ground sign.
NOTE: Mayor Callero felt that “or to the top of the lowest level of any roof…” should be eliminated
and simply keep 20 ft or 22 feet. After discussion a suggestion was made as to 3 feet above
lowest level of façade line. Everyone agreed. It was pointed out that roughly 50-75% of the
100 plus ground signs on Milwaukee Avenue alone are nonconforming. After discussion it was
agreed that what is out there now is grandfathered in and business would have to conform
within 15 years from now, so by the year 2025.
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Setback and location
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) Ground signs shall be setback a minimum of :
i) Front and rear yard: two (2) feet.
ii) Side yard: five (5) feet.
2) Where only one (1) ground sign is permitted, such sign shall be located as close to the centerline of
the frontage of the activity as is practical. Each sign must be a least 100 feet apart from any other
ground sign. No sign shall be permitted within fifty (50) feet of any property in a residential district.
3) No sign shall be permitted to project over the public right-of-way. Any sign located within three(3)
feet of a driveway, parking area, or within fifty(50) feet of the intersection of two(2) or more streets
shall have the lowest elevation at least twelve(12) eight(8) feet above the curb level.
Recommendation: Staff
1) Where only one (1) ground sign is permitted, such sign shall be located as close to the centerline of
the frontage of the activity as is practical. Each sign must be a least 100 feet apart from any other
ground sign. No sign shall be permitted within fifty (50) feet of any property in a residential district.
2) Location. A ground sign may be located in any required yard subject to any conditions contained in
the Zoning Ordinance (Appendix B). All ground signs over 30 inches in height shall not be located
within a 15 foot sight triangle in any direction along the property line from any vehicular access
drive or public thoroughfare and shall not create any dangerous sight obstructions at other locations
on the site, including visual obstructions of, or to, pedestrian traffic on designated public or private
sidewalks.
NOTE: Charles Ostman will have examples to show of setbacks before the final draft is completed.
Ground Sign Landscaping
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) Landscaping: The base of ground signs shall have the following decorative landscaping:
i) Planting beds extending one and a half (1.5) feet from the sign base on all sides.
ii) Monument Signs: Small shrubs a minimum of two (2) feet in height at planting with the
remainder of the area planted with perennials, turf, or other decorative ground cover. If a
decorative sign base is proposed, the zoning board of appeals may waive the landscaping
requirement.
iii) Pole Signs: Small shrubs a minimum of four (4) feet in height at planting with the remainder
of the area planted with perennials, turf, or other decorative ground cover. If decorative
casing for poles or pylon structures is proposed, the zoning board of appeals may waive the
landscaping requirement.
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2) Materials and design: The structural elements of monument signs should be built from decorative,
durable materials, such as brick, decorative masonry blocks, stone, or other such materials. Signs
should incorporate a color scheme of no more than four (4) colors. All ground signs shall contain
the address or address ranges for the site. For multi-tenant commercial areas, all signs shall contain
the name of the development or building in a display at least as large as the largest portion of the
sign for any tenant, and signage for separate businesses should have symmetrical arrangements with
other businesses advertised on the sign.
Recommendation: Staff
1) Ground signs shall be landscaped at their base in a method harmonious with the landscape concept
for the whole site. Landscaping shall form an attractive, dense cluster at the base of the sign that is
equally attractive in winter and summer. Planting beds extending one and a half (1 ½) feet from the
sign base on all sides. The landscape area shall be curbed at the perimeter when the sign is
incorporated into a hard surfaced parking area.
i) Monument Signs: Shrubs or other ground covers shall be a minimum of 60% of the height of
the base at planting without blocking the sign copy for the purpose to cover or soften the
base. If the proposed sign base is visually enhanced, the director of Community
Development can grant relief of the landscaping requirement.
ii) Pole Signs: Shrubs or other ground covers shall be a minimum of four (4) feet in height at
planting. If decorative casing for poles or pylon structures is proposed, the Director of
Community Development can grant partial relief of the landscaping requirement.
NOTE: Andrew Przybylo would prefer to see at least partial landscaping and not to eliminate
landscaping altogether.
ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTERS
Definitions:
Electronic Message Center: means an electronic sign which flashes or has visual graphics with or
without motion or animation a sign with a fixed or changing display/message composed of a series of
lights that may be changed through electronic means. A time and/or temperature sign shall not be
considered an electronic message center.
Electronic reader board: means a sign which contains a traveling, or a message which appears to be
traveling, usually in a horizontal manner. The characteristics incorporated into any message remain
constant, and do not change in hue or intensity or appear to change in hue or intensity, as they travel or
appear to travel across or through the automatic changing copy area of the sign. Electronic reading
boards can only be mono colored.
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Message center: means a sign which contains a changing message within the copy area, which remains
on for a specified minimum period of time and blacks out for a specified minimum of time between
messages.
Animated sign: means any sign which includes action or motion. For purposes of this chapter, this term
does not refer to flashing or changing signs, which are separately defined.
Changing sign, Changeable copy sign- automatic: means a sign such as an electronically or electrically
controlled public service time, temperature and date sign, message center or reader board, where
different copy changes of a public service or commercial nature are shown on the same lamp bank.
Video sign: means any sign which uses lights, video, a TV screen, cathode ray tubes or other similar
items to display message, image, moving picture, or video.
Recommendation: Staff
Proposed regulations:
1. Can not occupy more than 25% of the total ground sign.
2. Must be monochromatic.
3. The message shall not consist of flashing, scintillating, chasing or animated lights, or include
animated pictorial graphics.
4. Illumination level not to exceed .5 foot-candles.
5. Not allowed within 100 ft of a residential structure if visible from the structure.
6. Design integrated with overall ground mounted sign.
7. The subject property shall have no less than 200’ of street frontage on which the sign is intended
for.
8. Sign shall incorporate automatic dimmer software or solar sensors with maximum setting of
5,000 nits during daylight and 500 nits between dusk and dawn.
Any electronic message center sign that the copy, logo or display remains fixed, motionless and non-
flashing for a period of thirty (30) seconds or more excluding time and temperature or does not meet any
of the other conditions in this subsection would require a special use approval.
NOTE: The above 8 conditions must be met. If for some reason even one condition is not met then
would need to apply for special use. James Hynes stated that he felt with #2 and #3 we were
setting ourselves up for boring. Chuck Ostman responded that a lot of surrounding
communities have these restrictions. James Hynes responded feels perhaps to restrictive.
Mayor Callero felt 30 seconds was too long. Andrew Przybylo suggested 10 seconds.
Everyone seemed to agree with 10 seconds.
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NON-CONFORMING SIGNS
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
No recommended changes to date.
Recommendation: Staff
Any freestanding sign lawfully existing as of (DATE OF ORDINANCE) may be continued or
maintained subject to the following:
1. The owner or beneficial user of any conforming sign shall maintain such sign in good condition
and repair, provided that said sign shall not be changed or altered in any manner including shall
not be changed to another nonconformity; shall not be expanded; shall not be structurally altered
to prolong its useful life; or shall not be moved in whole or part to any other location where it
would remain nonconforming.
2. Any nonconforming sign which is damaged or destroyed by any means to the extent of fifty
percent (50%) of its present value shall be terminated immediately.
3. Any such nonconforming sign may be continued until January 1, 2025. Thereafter, such sign
shall be made to conform by means of alteration or removal, excepting those granted variances
or special uses after (DATE OF ORDINANCE).
NOTE: Andrew Przybylo stated that what is out there now is grandfathered in. Any changes to
conform should be 15 not 25 years.
PRESENTATION #2 – Bonnie Jacobson
MAXIMUM SIGN AREA
Current code
1. No restriction on size or number, as long as maximum signage is met; Buildings with more
frontages allowed additional square feet of signage.
2. When non ground sign, up to 45% of wall sign background may be used for copy.
3. When as a ground sign, up to 35% of wall sign used for copy.
4. If individual letters used, façade area computed differently.
5. Any non-illuminated wall sign not exceeding 3” letters allowed and not counted towards
maximum signage.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1. Size limited to 1.5 square feet per lineal frontage – up to 2 square feet, if ground sign is less than
8 feet tall.
2. Restrictions on size of sign on one frontage to 50% of size on the other.
3. Located at least .5 feet below roof line.
4. Not to exceed 1 foot perpendicular from wall.
Recommendation: Staff
Keep maximum signage, but reduce from 3X the lineal frontage to 2.5X lineal frontage, unless property
can have a ground mount sign.
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DRIVE-THROUGH READER BOARDS
Current code
Currently regulated as part of maximum allowable signage.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
Exempt if 6 foot or less, internal to lot, not abut residential; made part of special uses.
Recommendation: Staff
The reader boards will be regulated as special uses for drive-through facilities.
NOTE: It was noted that staff recommendations are due to speakers especially within the residential
area. Also note that this is not advertising.
VEHICULAR SIGNAGE
Current code
Vehicular signs allowed with the following restrictions:
1. Vehicular signs shall contain no flashing or moving elements.
2. Vehicular signs shall have no element with a luminance greater than 200 foot lamberts.
3. Vehicular signs shall not project beyond the surface of a vehicle for a distance in excess of
eighteen (18) inches.
4. Vehicular signs shall not be attached to a vehicle so that the driver’s vision is obstructed from
any angle.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
Cannot be inoperable
Recommendation: Staff
Vehicular signs shall not be parked on a public R-O-W, public property or private property so as to be
visible form a public R-O-W where the apparent purpose is to advertise a product or direct people to a
business or activity located on the same or nearby property.
NOTE: A business would receive a warning then a $50 fine. Chuck Ostman stated that if there is no
other place to park a business is allowed frontal parking.
FLAGS
Current code
Currently not regulated.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1. The flags, emblems or insignia of any national or political subdivision or corporate flag shall be
allowed.
2. Corporate and business flags shall be counted against the maximum allowable signage of any
particular site.
3. The site of exempt signs and height of display poles shall conform to the sizes shown in a
specified chart.
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Recommendation: Staff
1) One flag pole and two flags per lot, not to exceed 25’ high in residential districts,
2) For commercial and industrial districts up to three flag poles per lot, not to exceed up to 10’ above
roof line, with a total of six flags per lot, two per pole.
3) Meet federal statutes for flags,
i) Pole should be 4X length of flag,
ii) Flag not to exceed 10’ in length, if wall mounted.
NOTE: Chuck Ostman stated that the main idea is to limit the number of flags allowed. Chris Hanusiak
asked if the 4th of July and all the flags on lawns/everywhere were allowed. Chuck Ostman responded
yes that is considered decoration.
POLITICAL/CONTRACTOR/REAL ESTATE SIGNS
Current code
1) Political & Campaign Sign
i) One per parcel, not to exceed 20 square feet in aggregate area.
ii) Not to exceed 6 feet in height.
iii) Removed within 15 days after election.
2) Construction Sign
i) Up to 32 square feet in residential districts.
ii) 64 square feet in commercial/industrial districts.
iii) Erected not more than 5 days before beginning of construction.
iv) Removed 5 days after completion of occupancy.
3) Real Estate Sign
i) One per parcel.
ii) Not to exceed 9 square feet in area.
iii) Removed within 7 days after property leased/sold/rented.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) Political & Campaign Sign
i) Remove time limits per State Law.
2) Construction Sign
i) Up to 32 square feet in residential districts.
ii) 64 square feet in commercial/industrial districts.
iii) Erected not more than 5 days before beginning of construction.
iv) Removed 5 days after completion of occupancy.
3) Real Estate Sign
i) One per parcel or two per corner lot.
ii) Removed within 7 days after property leased/sold/rented.
4) Maximum area allowed
i) 12 square feet for single family residential districts.
ii) 32 square feet for non residential districts.
iii) Added side and front yard requirements.
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Recommendation: Staff
1) Political & Campaign Sign
i) Concur with consultant.
ii) Maintain maximum 20 square feet per lot.
iii) Increase allowable number of signs to 3.
2) Construction Sign
i) Reduce size of construction sign to 6 square feet in single family districts.
ii) Reduce size to 32 square feet for multi-residential and non-residential districts.
iii) Keep time limits.
3) Real Estate Sign
i) Concur with consultant on all but size of real estate sign in single family residential district.
Sign should be reduced to maximum allowable area of 9 square feet.
AWNING SIGN
Current code
1) Name/Business type – 18” letters
2) Logo – 20” letters
3) Not to exceed 25% of awning
4) Letters on valance up to 4”, not counted in sign area
5) Not allowed with wall sign on same street frontage
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) No identity restriction
2) May include copy up to 1.5 square feet for each lineal foot of R-O-W or wall signage whichever is
less
3) Increasing to 2 square feet if ground mounted sign under 8 feet.
4) Can occupy up to 35% of awning.
5) Address labels and business names on valance up to 4”
i) Not counted in sign area but can’t exceed 50% of valance area.
6) Not allowed with wall sign on same street frontage.
Recommendation: Staff
1) Not to exceed 35% of awning.
2) Letters on valance up to 4”
i) Not counted in sign area.
3) Not allowed with wall sign on same street frontage.
NOTE: Bonnie Jacobson stated relaxing the restrictions. Andrew Przybylo stated no limit on size of
awning in respect to façade of building. Chuck Ostman responded no.
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NEON BORDERS IN WINDOWS/PERMANENT WINDOW SIGNAGE
Current code
1) Inside window signage is exempt from permit requirements, exterior is not.
2) Inside window signage limited to two permanent signs, not to exceed 50% of total window area.
3) Exterior window signage is included in the maximum square footage allowed.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) All permanent window signs will require permit.
2) All permanent window signs will be included in maximum allowable sign area.
3) No limit on number or percentage of window.
4) Neon limited to 15% of window signage.
5) Neon borders not allowed
i) Will be counted toward maximum signage at 1 square foot of sign area above 5 square feet
for existing establishments.
Recommendation: Staff
1) Prohibit Neon
2) No neon border in windows allowed.
i) Grandfathered in for a short period, 2 years, then not allowed.
3) No neon border on building allowed.
i) Grandfathered in for short period, 5 years, then not allowed
4) Open/Closed neon signage should be exempt.
TEMPORARY SIGN
Current code
Definition: Temporary sign means a sign which is not permanently affixed. All devices such as
banners, pennants, flags (Not intended to include flags of any nation), searchlights, twirling or sandwich
type signs, sidewalk or curb signs and balloons or other air or gas figures.
1) Permitted up to 30 days per calendar year
a) Up to 120 days if extension obtained from ZBA.
2) Removed 10 days after event.
3) Signs up to 4 square feet are exempt from permit.
4) Community Development Director may impose conditions to preserve safety and convenience.
5) Allows banners, buntings, flags, inflatables, pennants, sandwich board signs, search lights.
6) No restrictions on type, size or number.
Proposed: Rolf Campbell & Associates
1) To be discussed and rewritten.
2) Need to discuss time frame.
3) Need to discuss items per issue.
4) Discuss items allowed for specified amount of time with approved temporary permit; banners, flags,
pennants, inflatables, sandwich boards, searchlights, wall signs.
5) Different regulations for civic vs. commercial events.
NOTE: Chuck Ostman stated that more research needs to be done, more examples shown. Bonnie
Jacobson stated that there are no restrictions on type or event allowed. Andrew Przybylo felt it should
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not be 120 consecutive days. James Hynes suggested 30 days per calendar year and no more than 45
consecutive days for example holidays, sports seasons. He also felt it should be 120 days per year total.
Andrew Przybylo stated that in this climate we need to be generous but reasonable with
recommendations.
ABANDONED SIGN
Current code
1) A sign is considered abandoned if :
i) The property is vacant or unoccupied for three (3) + months.
ii) A sign which no longer applies to the property.
2) Permanent signs become abandoned if the property remains vacant for six months.
Recommendation: Staff
When abandoned, sign should be replaced with blank panel, and façade restored if mounted directly to a
surface.
NOTE: Chuck Ostman stated that the owner of the property is responsible.
Andrew Przybylo asked if another meeting should be scheduled. It was agreed another meeting was
necessary. James Hynes motioned to adjourn, Chris Hanusiak seconded, all agreed.
Meeting adjourned 8:40 p.m.
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