Planning and Zoning Board
Regular MeetingNiles, IL · December 1, 2014
Minutes
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COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
The Niles Plan Commission and Zoning Board of Appeals were called to order
at 7:03 P.M. [This meeting was held in the 2nd floor Conference Room of the
Village Hall.]
Chairman Kanelos asked everyone to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Present with Chairman Thomas Kanelos was Vice-Chairman Karen Dimond.
Also present were Commissioners Thomas Surace, Angelo Troiani, Barbara
Nakanishi, Robert Schulter and Morgan Dubiel. Bruce Sylvester, Senior
Planner, presented the three items on tonight's agenda. Also present was
Stu Chapman from Municipal Services Associates.
Chairman Kanelos asked if there were any additions, clarifications or
corrections to the minutes of November 3, 2014. There were none.
Commissioner Dubiel moved to approve the minutes of November 3, 2014.
Seconded by Commissioner Troiani, on roll call the vote was:
AYES: 7 Dubiel, Dimond, Surace, Troiani, Nakanishi, Schulter,
Kanelos
NAYS: 0
There being seven (7) affirmative votes the motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
14-ZP-35 Requesting a Special Use Permit and an amended
Planned Unit Development per Appendix B, Section XI
(H)(6)(B)(5)(b) to allow Verizon Wireless to install cell
phone antenna and equipment on top of the building
located at 8801 West Golf Road.
NEW BUSINESS
14-ZP-39 Requesting a sign variation per Village Ordinance 78-209
to allow Tony's Finer Foods to exceed the allowable
signage at 8900 North Greenwood Avenue.
14-ZP-40 Requesting a variation to rear yard set-back
requirements in the R-2 zoning district as provided in
Appendix B Section VII (C)(10) to allow a new single
family house at 7532 West Kirk Drive.
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Chairman Kanelos called for the first case to be presented this evening.
14-ZP-35 Requesting a Special Use Permit and an amended
Planned Unit Development per Appendix B, Section XI
(H)(6)(B)(5)(b) to allow Verizon Wireless to install cell
phone antenna and equipment on top of the building
located at 8801 West Golf Road.
Bruce Sylvester, Senior Planner, presented this case. This case was heard
and tabled last month awaiting more information from Stu Chapman of
Municipal Services Associates. He is the Village's technical consultant. Mr.
Chapman included in his report conditions to be recommended to the Village
Board if this case were to be approved. The Staff recommends this go to the
Village Board for final approval. This pertains to the building at 8801 West
Golf Road. He will give the report on the zoning portion of this request.
When finished, Mr. Chapman will be available to answer technical questions
regarding this petition. The three recommended conditions of approval are:
1) all rooftop equipment must be painted to match the existing
penthouse on top of the building [this condition was in last month's report].
2) warning signage be installed restricting the rooftop to authorized
personnel only
3) entry doors to the roof be locked at all times with keys distributed
only to authorized personnel that would have access to the roof.
This property is zoned residential with a planned unit development overlay.
That zoning was assigned when this property was annexed to the Village.
Typically in Niles cell phone antenna are not allowed in residential areas but
they are allowed on residential buildings. An example would be the tower at
9201 Maryland. That building has commercial zoning. The building
considered tonight has residential zoning. On page 2 of the Staff report is
information that ascertains if this request is in line with the Village's
Comprehensive Plan. Staff believes it will accomplish one of the goals. That
would be providing reliable infrastructure to the residents and businesses
within the Village; that would be telecommunications infrastructure. Safety
concerns were raised last month. Mr. Chapman can address those concerns
including what can legally or not legally be considered regarding this request.
As discussed last month there were no concerns from any other Village
departments. There are specific questions in the ordinance that need to be
satisfied in order to grant a Special Use permit. First, is the Special Use
necessary for the public convenience at that location. Staff's opinion is that it
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will enhance cell phone service to the Niles community. Second, is the
Special Use so designed, located and proposed to be operated that the public
health, safety and welfare will be protected. Staff believes yes. Last, will the
Special Use cause substantial injury to the value of other property in the
neighborhood in which it is located. Staff believes it will not. Legal
notifications for mailings and newspaper were satisfied. This item requires
Village Board approval and it is scheduled on the December 9th agenda of the
Village Board meeting. The applicant is here tonight. New tonight is the
written report from Stu Chapman that was not included in last month's
packet. Any time cell phone antenna are proposed to the Village, in addition
to reviewing the proposal for zoning compliance, Staff has Mr. Chapman
review each request for technical compliance. An aerial photo is now on the
monitors.
Chairman Kanelos asked if there were any questions for Mr. Sylvester from
the Commissioners.
Commissioner Dubiel asked how the notices were sent out to residents and
businesses.
Mr. Sylvester said he uses the computer mapping program when sending out
notices. That notice went out around a 250 ft. circle from the subject
property. This was one of the larger mailings of approximately 400 to 500
notices sent.
Commissioner Dubiel asked Mr. Chapman if there was a warning sign
presently on the door to the roof. He also asked if the door is locked at all
times.
Mr. Chapman said to his knowledge there was no warning sign. He does not
know if the door is always locked.
Commissioner Schulter asked if the three buildings are condominiums or
rental units.
Mr. Sylvester said they are condominiums.
Commissioner Schulter asked if there is an association involved in these
mailings.
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Mr. Sylvester said the notices are not mailed to associations. Staff goes by
the tax rolls of Cook County. Each owner would be sent notification.
However, if the unit is rented out, the occupant would not get the notice. The
owner would.
Commissioner Schulter said wouldn't the associations notify the residents.
Mr. Sylvester said as the Planning and Zoning Commission, they are
required to notify the residents directly.
Commissioner Schulter said generally if someone wants to put something on
a condo building, the association has to approve it.
Derek McGrew, Cell-U-Site, 103 Hillshire Ct., Noblesville, IN said each of the
three buildings has an association and one overlay. So four associations were
notified. There were four meetings regarding this installation.
Mr. Gaynor said the access to the roof is locked. It is opened by authorized
personnel only.
Chairman Kanelos said it is safe to assume every property owner was sent a
notification.
Mr. Chapman said the general parameters of the installation are included in
the Board's packets. Verizon has sought to install three antenna panels
mounted to the top of the building. Two of them would be mounted on the
wall of the penthouse. The other would be mounted on an equipment shelter
which is to be installed on the rooftop. He then went into a more technical
explanation of all the equipment that would be inside the equipment shelter.
Chairman Kanelos said the Board received some emails about how they, as a
local zoning board, can and cannot consider in whether or not to grant this
request. One states no state or local government or instrumentality thereof
may regulate the construction and modification of personal wireless service
facilities on the basis of the environmental effects of radio frequency
emissions to the extent that such facilities comply with the commission's
regulations concerning such emissions. He then asked Mr. McGrew if
Verizon's facilities comply with federal commissions regulations.
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Mr. McGrew said yes they do.
Chairman Kanelos then said are they [the Board] by federal law prevented
from considering those issues even if they are brought up by the residents.
Mr. Chapman said yes, they are preempted by FFC regulations and 1996
Federal Communications Act.
Vice-Chairman Dimond said the provision Chairman Kanelos just read
means they can't consider environment effects. Is that defined in the code?
Mr. Chapman said no but it refers to health effects of radio frequency. The
intent of the FCC and Congress when they were considering this portion of
the telecommunication act was to restrict the authority of the FCC. On all
matters concerning standards regarding radio frequency emissions, Congress
enacted a field preemption where anyone but the FCC is preempted in
considering this in their decision to assign a wireless facility. Courts over the
years have held firm on this point. The FCC itself also is adamant about not
creating the potential of thousands of different interpretations of what their
standards are for radio frequency emissions. They basically cornered the
market on determining what those standards are, how they can be
interpreted and whether or not a carrier is complying with them.
Vice-Chairman Dimond asked if a resident is concerned about the health
effects, where would they go to voice that?
Mr. Chapman said the FCC handles those matters. He then announced his
name and said he is president of Municipal Services Associates. His firm is a
consultancy that works with cities, counties and non-profit organizations on
wireless and wired technology issues. MSA has been conducting consulting
on these issues since 1991. He has been doing wireless consulting on cellular
installations since 1996. The firm specializes in working with communities
on wireless tower sitings, wireless ordinances and wireless regulations and
soon to be helping them understand new changes to FCC regulations wireless
facility sitings. They have worked with the Village of Niles since 1995.
Chairman Kanelos asked Mr. McGrew if he had anything to add to this
presentation.
Mr. McGrew said it was all pretty much covered. He said he works for a
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variety of carriers besides Verizon. He is responsible to Verizon for locating
the proper area for antenna. They give him a map and say "this is where we
need to improve our coverage." His job is to find a tall building, a water
tower or something they can use to fill the coverage hole. In this scenario he
was lucky enough to find a tall building without the need to build a new
tower. They went through the process of leasing the building through the
association and are now following the process of zoning with the Village of
Niles.
Commissioner Schulter asked who he approached when Verizon gave him
this assignment.
Mr. McGrew said he drove up, asked a man outside working on the pool who
to talk to. He referred him to the president of the homeowner's association.
Commissioner Dubiel said he understood there were four condominium
meetings.
Mr. McGrew said yes.
Chairman Kanelos asked if there were more questions from the
Commissioners. There were none. Now is the time for public comment.
Michael Gaynor, president of the homeowners' association and president of
Highland Towers Association, 8815 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #6B, was sworn in.
When approached by Mr. McGrew to see if he was interested in this proposal,
he asked the homeowners' association board because at that time they did not
know which of the buildings Verizon was looking at. The homeowners'
association had a meeting and approved the ability to have a cell antenna put
on one of the roofs. They also did a sharing agreement between the three
associations so that whoever got the cell agreement would get 3/7 of the
money. The other two associations would get 2/7 each. In the March 2014
meeting the lease agreement was approved at the board meeting for building
8801. That meeting was open to all members. The lease then went through
their legal experts to make sure of any riders or addendums that needed to be
applied. Agendas were put up in all elevators.
Chairman Kanelos asked what is their legal notification.
Mr. Gaynor said ten days before the meeting, notices have to be posted at
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several locations within the building. Notices do not get delivered door to
door. They usually meet five times a year. From March to November it is
every other month.
Ned Serdarevic, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #12B was sworn in. He said he
opposes this because of health reasons. He doesn't feel it is appropriate to
have this on the roof right above his head.
Barkat Virani, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #12A was sworn in. He did not
know about the March meeting. Did not read the agenda. He feels it is a
health hazard. He is on his second pacemaker. He is not allowed to go
through airport security; not allowed to go in front of a microwave. He found
an eighteen page FCC document and made copies to pass out tonight. He
highlighted how susceptible a pacemaker is to these kinds of radio waves. He
does not want to become a case study. This is a life and death situation. He
feels the Board is responsible for every person in the community.
Niki Tsakalis, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #12D was sworn in. She is the only
one who attends every meeting of the association. She never heard about the
cell antenna. The first time she heard about it was from Bruce Sylvester's
notification. And she was the only one from the building who came to the
November zoning meeting.
Chairman Kanelos questioned whether or not she was notified.
Mrs. Tsakalis said she never heard of it. She said she never saw it.
Mr. Serdarevic said he did not see notification either. But he wasn't looking
for it. He said the association does a good job of posting notices but people
don't always read them.
Jennifer Krasnik, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #6A was sworn in. She drives
through the nicest areas of Deerfield on her way to work and wondered why
her phone doesn't work. It is because they don't want cell phone towers in
their nice residential areas. She feels it affects property values and also
safety. If she knew there was a cell phone antenna on top of the building, she
would not buy the unit. In the '60s there was an area in Niles called a cancer
cluster. She doesn't think they should risk this again. The bottom line is you
don't know the potential hazard.
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Vangelis Economou, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #8B was sworn in. Was
there any consideration that the residents had to be notified before the lease
was entered into?
Mr. Gaynor said their duty as a board is to notify residents via the meeting
announcement, post the agenda, then anyone who wants to, after the minutes
have been approved of the prior meeting, can ask for the meeting minutes at
anytime.
Mr. Economou asked if the agenda has a specific reference as to items that
will be discussed at that particular meeting.
Mr. Gaynor said in this case the homeowners' agenda stated cell antenna
sharing agreement. They did not know which building it would go on at that
time. It wasn't bolded or highlighted. He can ask the management company
for a copy of that agenda. Also, the association has changed management
companies since that meeting.
Vice-Chairman Dimond said whether or not the condo association properly
entered into a contract with Verizon is not something the Board can
determine or address.
Chairman Kanelos said he is only concerned whether the people who live in
the building were notified this antenna was proposed in the first place. It is
clear from several people it was posted.
Mr. Serdarevic said according to the by-laws a signed contract can be
overturned by the homeowners with signatures of 66% of same.
Commissioner Troiani asked Mr. Chapman if this particular program would
affect the health of these people.
Mr. Chapman said he cannot give an opinion on environmental factors as
stated in the law with respect to how proper this project is. They looked at
the project as to where it fit within the zoning parameters established by the
Village; what the project would do as far as improve communications in the
area; whether it was subject to federal regulations. He discussed with Mr.
McGrew if perhaps Verizon should do its own study regarding FCC
regulations on radio frequency. Federal law in 2013 was changed to what is
called co-location by right. There will be new rules adopted shortly. Because
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this is a first time project, the Village could consider substantial
modifications. The government specifically prohibits the Village from making
its decision on health and environmental factors. That is completely 100%
the authority of the FCC.
Chairman Kanelos said with that in mind he will take questions from the
citizens about health factors but he will not take any more questions from the
Commissioners on that subject.
Vice-Chairman Dimond asked what does co-location of right mean.
Mr. Chapman said the government grants a wireless provider the ability to
co-locate a facility on a building, on a tower, a rooftop without the municipal
authority's ability to stop it. An example would be if a wireless provider
wants to put a facility on a tower or a building and it is a minor modification,
not an all new project, or other criteria that is considered minor modification
and the Village can't deny it. In this case this is a first time project, there is
no other wireless facilities on this building, it is considered substantial
modification on this building and the Village can subject it to its Special Use
process.
Vice-Chairman Dimond said if they allow one cell company to put an antenna
up there and other companies come along, they have to allow them to put an
antenna up also.
Mr. Chapman said it would depend on the nature of the project. It would be
an uphill climb to deny additional antennae.
Mr. Sylvester said the reason the Community Development Department
contracts with Stu is because there a lot of legalities, a lot regulations and
this department doesn't have the expertise to handle it. When a proposal
comes in it goes to Stu and he evaluates it regarding federal law. Community
Development evaluates according to zoning law.
Commissioner Dubiel said Mr. Chapman knows that are three Findings they
have to meet in determining the case. The first two can be met. For the
third, substantial injury to the value of property, can they use health for that
issue as well for reducing the value?
Mr. Chapman said the Board is pre-empted from that on all aspects. There
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have been some decisions regarding that and he suggests discussing it with
the Village Attorney. If the Board denies or accepts this proposal, you have
to have support to back up the reasons.
Vice-Chairman Dimond said this might be nice for the public convenience,
but not necessary. Regardless of whether or not there is a health issue, the
presence of this cell antenna may make it difficult for the property owners,
especially those in the penthouse area, to resell. She feels they can consider
the property value would be diminished.
Bob Selzer, 3801 Apian Way, Glenview, IL (formerly of 8833 Kay St., Niles)
was sworn in. Power tension wires were in his backyard when he lived in
Niles. It was said the voltage from the towers was detrimental to peoples'
health. Then it reduced our property values. When they found out the wires
didn't cause physical or mental harm to people, the property values went
back up. He happened to sell before that finding came through and lost
money, but the value of those homes came right back.
Mr. Serdarevic said he has a couple of properties in that building. If he'd
known they would put a cell antenna on that roof right above his head, he
would never have bought in that building.
Mr. Sylvester pointed out the property owner is usually the applicant. This
situation has the homeowner's association applying for the permit but
members of the association are opposed to it. It is a strange situation. The
homeowners' association will derive some financial benefit from the lease
that in turn will be used to maintain common areas.
Commissioner Schulter asked if Mr. McGrew has actually placed cell antenna
on penthouse walls in the past.
Mr. McGrew said yes, in Omaha. He can't think of any in this area.
Commissioner Schulter asked if this will be the first antenna on any of the
roofs, or is there existing antenna on the other roofs in the complex.
Mr. Gaynor said no, there are no other antenna. There is a complex, Golf
Towers, directly west of this. It is in unincorporated Des Plaines. They have
antenna on the roofs.
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Commissioner Nakanishi said if people who live in these buildings
participated more in their homeowners' associations, this would have been
hashed out before it got to this point.
Mr. Economou asked Mr. McGrew how big was the footprint you had to look
for.
Mr. McGrew answered 1/4 mile radius. The only way it could go anywhere
else would be to build a tower. It is much more complicated to build a tower.
Many more people show up against a tower because it is an eyesore. It is
unlikely you would see anymore installations on this building. There could
be some others in the complex. But with the neighboring towers in Des
Plaines having cell phone antenna there probably would not be a need.
Mr. Economou said you'll notice Mr. Gaynor does not live in that building.
Commissioner Dubiel addressed Mr. Gaynor as the president of the
Homeowners' Association.
Mr. Gaynor said the only way you can be on the board is if you own a unit in
the building and he does. There are 109 condo units.
Commissioner Dubiel asked if he signs other contracts as president.
Mr. Gaynor said yes, that are voted on by the board.
Commissioner Dubiel said therefore the contract you signed with Verizon,
you signed as the legal representative.
Mr. Gaynor said yes.
Chairman Kanelos said once that antenna is placed on that building, it will
be hard to deny placing another one on that building. Mr. Chapman is trying
to give us the information to make a decision on behalf of the citizens.
Mrs. Tsakalis said the board voted on this without even telling them.
Mr. Selzer said he has an investment in this building, he's on the board and
attends the meetings. This was all brought up at the meetings properly.
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He's happy to see the additional income come into this building to help with
improvements.
Mr. McGrew said if he were able to use one of those buildings to the west of
this complex in unincorporated Des Plaines, he would have submitted an
application, some construction drawings and been done. He knew this item
in Niles would be a Special Use process with hearings because they need it
where they need it.
Mr. Virani stated again he does not believe this is the right thing to do. Niles
doesn't care for its citizens and does not care about their health.
Chairman Kanelos said they are precluded from discussing health issues
because of the law. But they care about their citizens.
Commissioner Dubiel asked Mr. McGrew to explain shadowing again.
If they use the other buildings, it would block the service to the northeast.
Pawal Zawitaj, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #5D was sworn in.
[It is very difficult to understand him]. He's lived there 26 years. What kind
of waves come off this antenna. How many watts is the power?
Mr. McGrew said horizontal waves.
Mr. Chapman answered 20 watts.
Mrs. Tsakalis had questions about how many meters high is this.
Mr. Chapman explained all the size differentials and said this in to be on the
wall of a heating and air conditioning penthouse, not a residential one.
Mr. Sylvester said they need to evaluate a request under whatever rules are
in place when the request is submitted. Whatever is in effect in March 2015
doesn't affect this.
Commissioner Schulter asked about the warning sign and authorized
personnel only. What is the reason?
Mr. Chapman said only people there for an intended purpose should be on
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that roof. HVAC, Verizon, etc. There are people who like to go onto rooftops
and it is a concern about electronic equipment and theft. Warning signs are
not an uncommon feature.
Mr. Selzer said if everyone here would dig in their pockets they would come
out with a cell phone. And that's what they are fighting against.
Mr. Zawitaj spoke again. If they got 66% of owners signatures to back out of
this, would it help?
Chairman Kanelos said that has nothing to do with the Zoning Board.
Mr. Economou asked if there is some way to shield the rays.
Mr. Chapman said he can't consider it because once again it is about health.
Chairman Kanelos thanked everyone and said the fact the Board can't
consider health issues does not mean they don't care about the citizens. He
entertained a motion.
Commissioner Dubiel recommended to amend the Planned Unit
Development and approve a Special Use permit to allow Verizon Wireless
to install cell phone antenna and equipment on top of the building located at
8801 West Golf Road per Appendix B, Section XI(H)(6)(B)(5)(b) with the
following conditions of approval:
1) all rooftop equipment must be painted to match the existing penthouse
2) warning signs be installed restricting the rooftop to authorized personnel
only
3) the entry door to the roof be locked at all times and keys distributed to
those personnel with authorization to access the rooftop
In regard to the Findings of Fact, Section XI(H)(4), the standards have been
met.
Is the Special Use necessary for the public convenience at the proposed
location? New evidence at this meeting and the previous meeting is that this
is necessary for Verizon cell phone customers to receive service.
Is the Special Use designed, located and proposed to be operated so that the
public health, safety and welfare will be protected? Given the FCCs ruling,
yes, and Stu Chapman's report.
Will the Special Use cause substantial injury to the value of other property in
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the neighborhood in which it is proposed to be located? No, no evidence has
been entered.
Chairman Kanelos asked how many penthouse units are there?
The answer was four. There were three of those residents in attendance.
Seconded by Commissioner Troiani, on roll call the vote was:
AYES: Dubiel, Troiani
NAYS: Dimond, Surace, Nakanishi, Schulter, Kanelos
There being five (5) negative votes, the motion failed.
Chairman Kanelos stated this Board is a recommending Board to the Board
of Trustees who can either confirm or negate this decision. It will be
necessary for the petitioner to contact Mr. Ostman and ask to be placed on
the Board of Trustees agenda. The petitioner will then be notified of the
date. Anyone in the audience who would like to be informed as to the date
this will be heard by the Board of Trustees, leave your name and address
with the recording secretary.
NEW BUSINESS
14-ZP-39 Requesting a sign variation per Village Ordinance 78-209
to allow Tony's Finer Foods to exceed the allowable
signage at 8900 North Greenwood Avenue.
Bruce Sylvester gave the details of the next item on the agenda. This is a
request for a variation not from a zoning ordinance but the Village's sign
regulations contained in chapter 78, article 5, division 3, section 78-92
specifies how much signage is allowed. The request is for Tony's Fresh
Market. Normally they would be allowed 500 sq. ft. of signage total. They
currently have more than that amount as they were granted a variation in
the past. They can currently have 638 sq. ft. They are requesting to increase
the amount of their signage because of their rebranding campaign. The total
signage area would then be 724.9 sq. ft. The variation would be 224 sq. ft.
more than the 500 sq. ft that is allowed. This request was circulated to the
other departments. None had any comments or concerns. Staff believes one
of the goals in the Comprehensive Plan would be met if this variation is
granted. Specifically signage, landscaping, parking lot improvements would
significantly improve the overall appearance, function and character of the
Village's commercial areas. So it is the function portion of that statement
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that works. Staff did not provide opinion on this request and are remaining
neutral. The requirements are satisfied and they are in the packet on page 2.
They can be referred to in making a motion. Legal notifications were
provided. Sign variation requests require mailed notifications to all the
adjacent property owners. It is a different type of notification as required by
a Special Use request. Due to the timing, this will not go to the Village Board
in December, but will be heard at the Village Board meeting in January 2015.
Included in the packets is a location map showing the site at the southwest
corner of Greenwood Avenue and Ballard Road. This information is now
shown on the monitors.
Vice-Chairman Dimond asked how this will change the function of the
commercial area.
Mr. Sylvester said in looking through the Comprehensive Plan, this is the one
area where you could argue that by allowing this business to increase the size
of the signage it does help them improve the function of their business by
allowing more advertising and/or signage.
Vice-Chairman Dimond said wouldn’t that be true of any other business. If
they put up a bigger sign it would be more noticeable.
Mr. Sylvester said yes.
Commissioner Dubiel wanted to follow up on the comment that this would
improve the function as more signage would improve their ability to sell, etc.
Niles has a sign code. Tony's has already been given a variance of 28% and
now they are requesting another variance of 45%. He doesn't believe it is
unreasonable. What is unreasonable is the Village's sign code. This is a
concern. He is concerned to vote yes on this for one reason: the sign code
needs to be changed. He went on to explain things he thinks are wrong with
the code.
Chairman Kanelos asked if Commissioner Dubiel could please keep this
discussion to the item at hand. The is not about the sign code. It is about a
variance for Tony's.
Chairman Kanelos asked if there were any more questions from the
Commissioners for Mr. Sylvester. There were none. He then called on the
petitioners to be sworn in and speak.
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AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
Jim Marnos, Tony's Fresh Market, Program Director and Human Resources
Director and part of the Marketing Team, 1200 Bryn Mawr, Itasca, IL
60143
Robert Whitehead, owner, Olympic Signs, 1130 N. Garfield, Lombard, IL
60148
Robbie Whitehead, Olympic Signs, 1130 N. Garfield, Lombard, IL 60148
Robert Whitehead said this is a rebranding. Tony's is going from Finer Foods
to Fresh Market. That is on all the signage. There are copies of all the
signage in the Commissioners' packet. This is an upper and lower case style.
Where the Finer Foods was more aggressive in the block letter style, this new
style is a much softer approach and is actually less square footage. It ties in
with the rebranding. He has provided their signage since early 2000. The
illumination is LED. He then described how the new signage will look.
Anything that says Finer Foods will be changed to Fresh Market. There is
also a Chase sign. It counts in the calculation. However, this request has
nothing to do with the Chase portion of the signage.
Mr. Sylvester said the numbers included in this staff report include all the
signage.
Vice-Chairman Dimond said they are interested in not what it says but the
size. She can see the Fresh Market in the center is taking up 179 ft. whereas
Finer Foods took up 92 ft. That accounts for some of the increase. But she
doesn't understand what else is changing in size.
Mr. Whitehead said that is the only thing changing.
Chairman Kanelos said then because of the font style, the measurements
required have grown. It is not an intention to make a bigger sign. But by
changing the font it makes it seem larger.
Vice-Chairman Dimond asked if there is another change. There are changes
within the packet that contradict one another.
Mr. Whitehead said the sign itself is not changing. They are merely changing
the panels. There are two entrances so two signs need to be changed. One is
on Ballard; one is on Greenwood. That is why the numbers are different
because the two signs are different in size.
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AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
Commissioner Dubiel said he understands the Community Development
Department is holding to the signage code very strictly. He would like to
have the requirements for the Findings of Fact established here.
1) the literal interpretation is strict application and provisions and
requirements of this chapter would cause undo and unnecessary
hardship because of the unique [being the only one in Niles] or unusual
conditions [not common] pertaining to this specific building, parcel or
property in question.
3) the unusual conditions applying to the specific property do not apply
generally to other properties in the Village.
He believes if either of those can be met then the Findings of Fact has not
been introduced. Can the applicant correct him on that?
Mr. Whitehead said he thinks the hardship is being able to change the name.
Commissioner Dubiel said it has to be a unique and unusual hardship for this
Board to approve it. He wants Tony's to have this sign but this does not meet
their Findings of Fact. It seems this problem is common around the Village.
Mr. Whitehead feels this is a case by case situation. They are now Tony's
Fresh Market. How do you keep that business going under Tony's Fresh
Market?
Vice-Chairman Dimond asked if they could shrink the words Fresh Market.
Mr. Whitehead said yes, if you go down to a 3 ft. F and M, you are literally
talking 14" or 16" lower case letter which is very tiny. Since it is set back off
the road, it would be hard to see.
Commissioner Dubiel this is the law. In order to be able to approve this they
require four Findings of Fact which he thinks is reasonable.
1) this is unique
2) it's an unusual condition
3) the unusual condition does not apply to other properties
4) [did not hear Commissioner Dubiel say #4]
Mr. Whitehead said the uniqueness is that this has to be rebranded.
Jim Marnos said for the business, especially for the competition around the
corner, and future competition coming around another corner, they are
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VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
taking themselves to the next level as a grocery store. They want a fresh
market approach. They have brought more specialty sections to the store.
They are trying to change to concept of this store and make it more unique.
They've seen growth. Things like this will help them move forward.
Commissioner Dubiel said if a competitor came before this Board and asked
for the same thing, what would he expect.
Mr. Marnos said he would expect the Board to do the same thing. If a
company comes here and says they are going to change the concept of their
business for the success of everyone including the community, that is unique.
Commissioner Dubiel said if a small one-man grocer came and wanted the
same variation…………..
Mr. Marnos asked don't they take each case at a time?
Chairman Kanelos said they do take each case at a time. But each case has
to measure up against the same criteria in order to get the variation.
Commissioner Dubiel said it seems Tony's needs to apply to the Village and
request them to change the sign code in general.
Mr. Sylvester said he understands if the words Fresh Market were reduced, it
might become too small. But if the word Tony's was reduced enough so they
would gain the square footage and the words Fresh Market could be the size
wanted, is that an option? Then they could stay within the square footage of
what they've already been approved for.
Mr. Whitehead said it would change the expense but of course it is up to
Tony's. They aren't looking to alter the entire sign.
Chairman Kanelos asked what size would the Fresh Market have to be to fit
into what has already been approved?
Mr. Whitehead said if it is rectangled off you have to bring it down 26". He
and Chairman Kanelos went back and forth on the dimensions in order for
this to fit.
Chairman Kanelos asked if there were any more questions from the
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AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
Commissioners for the petitioners. There were none. There were no
questions from the public either. He then entertained a motion.
Commissioner Troiani moved chapter 78, article 5, division 3, section 78-92
requesting a sign variation per Village Ordinance 78-209 to allow Tony's
Finer Foods to exceed the allowable signage at 8900 North Greenwood
Avenue be approved.
Seconded by Commissioner Nakanishi.
Vice-Chairman Dimond then addressed the motion. A variance requires all
four criteria be met and #1 and #3 have not been demonstrated. The
applicant already exceeds the maximum sign requirements. If this were to be
granted what is to stop the applicant from coming back next year and
requesting another variance. She doesn't think the applicant demonstrated
how it is entitled to the variance request. Therefore she requests a no vote.
Commissioner Dubiel also addressed the motion and said they already
granted a variance of 28% and above. There is no Finding of Fact to approve
this. He urges a no vote as well.
On roll call the vote was:
AYES: 3 Troiani, Schulter, Surace
NAYS: 4 Nakaniski, Dubiel, Dimond, Kanelos
There being four (4) negative votes the motion was denied.
Chairman Kanelos stated this Board is a recommending Board to the Board
of Trustees who can either confirm or negate this decision. It will be
necessary for the petitioner to contact Mr. Ostman and ask to be placed on
the Board of Trustees agenda. The petitioner will then be notified of the
date. Anyone in the audience who would like to be informed as to the date
this will be heard by the Board of Trustees, leave your name and address
with the recording secretary.
Chairman Kanelos called for the final item on tonight's agenda.
14-ZP-40 Requesting a variation to rear yard set-back
requirements in the R-2 zoning district as provided in
Appendix B Section VII (C)(10) to allow a new single
family house at 7532 West Kirk Drive.
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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION
AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
Mr. Sylvester said this request is for a rear yard variation for construction of
a new home. Because this request is less than 50% of the requirement, this
Board can make the final decision. Staff recommended approval. This is for
a 7 ft. 3 in. variation from the rear yard set-back as required in Appendix B
Section VII (C)(10). The applicant is here tonight. He is the homeowner.
The property is zoned R-2 and that requires a 40 ft. rear yard. The existing
home is only 32 ft. 9 in. from the rear property line. That applicant wishes
to demolish the home and build a bigger home on the site but will keep the
same rear yard of 32 ft. 9 in. from the property line. Thus the request for the
variation. Staff believes that two of the goals of the Comprehensive Plan will
be accomplished if this request is approved. First, by providing a diverse
range of housing stock by allowing the existing house to be demolished and
building a bigger house on the same lot; and two, promoting residential
development and re-development. This request was forwarded to the other
departments and none had any comment. Regarding Findings of Fact, this
type of variation requires that three findings be found.
1) the property in question cannot yield a reasonable return if permitted to
be used only under the conditions allowed by the regulations of
governing the district in which it is located. This lot is substandard
compared to most residential lots in the Village in that it is only 104 ft.
deep. Standard lots in the Village are 125 ft. deep. Because of that
Staff believes it would prevent a reasonable return for this particular
piece of property.
2) the plight of the owner is due to unique circumstances. This is because
the lot depth is unique.
3) the variation, if granted, will not alter the essential character of the
locality. The applicant intends to build a new home which will meet all
requirements and would not change the character of the neighborhood.
There are some additional requirements shown in the packets. All legal
notifications were provided in the newspaper and to the area within 250 ft. of
the proposed location. Included in the packet is an aerial photo of the home
now showing on the monitors. This would have no impact on neighbors to the
rear as that neighbor is Oak Mill Mall. The plans for the new home are in
the packet as well.
Chairman Kanelos stated this is a tear down. Why is it not an issue that the
side yard is slightly in violation? The foundation at the bump-out for the
fireplace is only 5 ft. 6 in. but according to the plan there is a 6 ft. set-back.
Mr. Sylvester said there is a provision that certain things are allowed to
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AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
encroach in a required yard and fireplaces are an allowed encroachment.
This home would basically keep the same set-back.
Chairman Kanelos asked if there were any other questions from the
Commissioners. There were none. There were no questions from the public.
He then called on the petitioner.
Apostolos Drakontaidis, 7532 W. Kirk Dr., Niles was sworn in. He had
nothing to add to the presentation.
Commissioner Nakanishi moved to approve 14-ZP-40 requesting a
variation to rear yard set-back requirements in the R-2 zoning district as
provided in Appendix B Section VII (C)(10) to allow a new single family house
at 7532 West Kirk Drive.
Seconded by Commissioner Dubiel, on roll call the vote was:
AYES: 7 Nakanishi, Schulter, Dubiel, Dimond, Surace, Troiani,
Kanelos
NAYS: 0
There being seven (7) affirmative votes the motion carried.
Chairman Kanelos then entertained a motion to adjourn.
Vice-Chairman Dimond moved to adjourn.
Commissioner Dubiel wanted to comment on case 14-ZP-35. He said that
Bruce Sylvester has really tried to reduce the zoning time by allowing Stu
Chapman …… please walk us through the changes.
Mr. Sylvester said about six months ago any company or property owner that
proposed a cell phone antenna would first submit their application to Mr.
Chapman and he would do his technical review. Then Mr. Chapman would
tell Mr. Sylvester when they could begin the zoning review process. In
talking with Charles Ostman and Stu Chapman, he asked if the two reviews
could be done simultaneously. So for the past six months that's how this
process has been handled. That cut the time for the applicant to receive a
decision in half. The down side to this is when the Board wants to see the
results of Mr. Chapman's findings, as was the case last month regarding the
property on Golf Road that was reconsidered tonight, that report was not
available at the November meeting. It would be helpful if the Board would
decide if they want to go back to the old process or stay with the new. He
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VILLAGE OF NILES
COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
December 1, 2014
explained if, in the new way for some reason, the Board had to see Mr.
Chapman's report, they could always table the request and present it again
the following month.
Vice-Chairman Dimond asked if there is a difference in cost.
Mr. Sylvester said this does not cost the Village anything. The applicant
pays Mr. Chapman directly for the report.
The motion to adjourn was seconded by Commissioner Dubiel, on roll call the
vote was:
AYES: 7 Dimond, Surace, Troiani, Nakanishi, Schulter, Dubiel,
Kanelos
NAYS: 0
There being seven (7) affirmative votes the motion carried.
The meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
The following people would like to be notified of the next meeting of the
Village Board of Trustees:
ITEM 14-ZP-35
Michael Gaynor, President of Homeowners' Association and of Highland
Towers, 8815 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #6B
Barkat Virani, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #12A
Ned Serdarevic, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #12B
Niki Tsakalis, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #12C
Jennifer Krasnik, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #6A
Vangelis Economou, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #8B
Bob Selzer, 3801 Apian Way, Glenview, IL (formerly of 8833 Kay St., Niles)
Pawal Zawitaj, 8801 W. Golf Rd., Niles, IL #5D
ITEM 14-ZP-39
Jim Marnos, Tony's Finer Foods, 1200 Bryn Mawr, Itasca, IL 60143
Robert Whitehead, Olympic Signs, 1130 N. Garfield, Lombard, IL 60148
Robbie Whitehead, Olympic Signs, 1130 N. Garfield, Lombard, IL 60148
Kathleen Janessa, Recording Secretary
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Agenda
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AGENDA
Trustees
George D. Alpogianis
PLAN COMMISSION & ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
Chris Hanusiak MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 2014, 7:00 p.m.
John C. Jekot
Joe LoVerde NOTE: This meeting will be held in the 2nd Floor Conference Room of Village Hall.
Danette O’Donovan
Matyas
Rosemary R. Palicki
CALL TO ORDER
Village Manager PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Steven C. Vinezeano
ROLL CALL
Village Clerk
Marlene J. Victorine
______________ APPROVAL OF MINUTES
November 3, 2014
Community
Development ANNOUNCEMENTS
Director
Charles Ostman
OLD BUSINESS
14-ZP-35 Requesting a Special Use Permit and an amended Planned Unit
Development per Appendix B Section XI (H)(6)(B)(5)(b) to allow
Verizon Wireless to install cell-phone antenna and equipment on top
of the building located at 8801 West Golf Road.
NEW BUSINESS
14-ZP-39 Requesting a sign variation per Village Ordinance 78-209 to allow
Tony’s Finer Foods to exceed the allowable signage at 8900 North
Greenwood Avenue.
14-ZP-40 Requesting a variation to rear-yard set-back requirements in the
R-2 zoning district as provided in Appendix B Section VII (C)(10)
to allow a new single family house at 7532 West Kirk Drive.
DISCUSSIONS
ADJOURNMENT
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