Stormwater Commission
Regular MeetingNiles, IL · August 31, 2011
Minutes
STORMWATER COMMISSION
MEETING SUMMARY
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
The following persons were present: Chairman Joe Lo Verde, Mayor Robert Callero,
Steven Vinezeano, Andrew Vitale, Mousa Nazzal, Richard Wlodarski, Scott Jochim, Fred
Kudert, Chuck Ostman, Tom Polcyn and Jeff Wickenkamp/Patrick Lach of Hey and
Associates. Also in attendance were Trustee Andrew Przybylo, resident Tom O’Malley,
and three other unnamed residents from Bruce/Knight Ct. area of Niles.
1. Approve Meeting Summary of Wednesday, June 30, 2011: Vinezeano provided
the summary to members prior to the meeting. The summary was approved to be
posted on the Stormwater Commission web page.
2. Old Business:
a. Prairie Farmer’s Creek MWRD Project by Hey. Hey and Associates, Jeff
Wickenkamp, updated the Commission about the Prairie Farmers Creek
Project being managed by the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District
(MWRD).
This program involves conveyance and storage modifications of overland
water flow paths involving two creeks in the Des Plaines watershed, the
Prairie Creek located North of Dempster between Potter and Greenwood
and the Farmers Creek located West of Potter in the same area. These
creeks co-join in Park Ridge ultimately connecting with the Des Plaines
River. The plan proposes to modify six flow path areas, “FRCR” sections 1,
4, 7, 8 and 9 to improve water flow by actions such as reducing or removing
various obstructions in the flow path and also lowering the water level in
the Lutheran General Hospital retention pond. This region, while it is not
directly connected to or bordering on Niles, is close enough whereby Niles
may benefit to some degree from the proposed flow improvements as sub
watersheds DP500, 550 and 600 from Niles drain into the Prairie Creek
area.
This program is not active at this time. Hey and Associates estimated that
construction start could take up to five years. Trustee Przybylo asked about
the relationship of the funding from County and whether or not there is a
contact in County that can be informed that the project should be of high
priority. Hey stated that the project is mainly in the hands of MWRD.
A secondary relationship between Niles stormwater flow and this region
was also discussed. This involves the Milwaukee and Maryland section
which connects to the Prairie Creek area via sewer connections through the
Shopping Plaza on the North side of Golf Road and under Milwaukee Ave.
to the section just West of Greenwood, in the area where the Mil Green
business is located. An undetermined sewer connection is involved. Jochim
stated that there were several attempts made by Niles Public Services to
trace the connection, for analysis information regarding the flooding issues
in the Maryland area, but they have not been successful. Vinezeano stated
that he was going to investigate the matter and Hey followed up by stating
that it was necessary information for the north study.
3. New Business:
a. Modeling and Diagnosis by Hey. Hey and Associates, Jeff Wickenkamp
presented an update on the status of the engineering analysis, with details,
for the West side of Niles, focusing on the problem areas in the Northwest
section defined by the area West of Milwaukee Ave. in the proximity of
Greenwood and Dempster, and the Western boundary of Niles with Park
Ridge. Several residents from the Bruce/ Knight Ct. area also participated in
the discussion of this section.
The discussion began with opening comments from Jeff Wickenkamp
noting that significant physical constraints are present in this region,
limiting the options to mitigate the localized flooding experienced in this
area. They are as follows:
1) Section elevation. The west region is high at its eastern edge. This edge
is defined by the ridge in Maryhill Cemetery which divides Niles between
the Chicago River and Des Plaines River watersheds. The West region of
Niles is in the Des Plaines River watershed. Subsequently this area’s natural
overland flow path is east to West, towards the problem areas near and
across from Greenwood Avenue.
2) Sewer Depth. The sewers in this area are shallow also because of its
location at the eastern and starting edge of the Des Plaines River watershed.
This condition significantly restricts the use of underground water storage
approaches.
It is also important to note that the west region is very limited in open land,
generally requiring land acquisition in some form to implement above
ground storage. All of the proposals that will be described below include
above ground storage, with land acquisition, as a key part of their approach
to flood water mitigation. Some significant uncertainties were raised later
on in the meeting regarding several of the land acquisition components.
These concerns are described in greater detail at the end of the summary.
Hey and Associates presented details concerning two proposals for flood
relief in this area. Both concepts involve the use of above ground detention
areas (essentially a dry pond used to accumulate storm water) as the
primary solution. Champaign Illinois was cited as a reference of a
municipality that has successfully implemented a detention pond system
within city boundaries to address storm water flooding.
The two initial proposals differ in the amount of storage and the degree of
flooding relief provided, and subsequently also in cost. Option 1 is a full
scale approach with 60 acre feet of storage capacity. Option 2 is a smaller
program.
Option 3 was identified through the course of the discussion of the two
initial proposals. This option involves designing for the maximum storage
condition of approximately 60 acre feet of detention capacity, but
implementing the project in two phases. The initial step would provide
flood relief equivalent to the small scale system described in option 2,
approximately 22 acre feet of storage. The second phase, which would be
implemented at a later date, adds the additional storage capacity needed to
reach the overall target of approximately 60 acre feet in capacity.
Of note, the west side area is approximately 270 acres in its overall size.
Based on the new stormwater regulations, an area of this size would require
approximately 60 acre feet of storage capacity in new construction. The
close fit between this general sizing requirement, which is based on the
work of other agencies, and the results of the Hey’s study supports the
accuracy of their detailed technical analysis.
The three options are described as follows:
Option 1: This is a combination of DPA1 and DPA3 providing 60 acre feet
of detention capacity via a large detention pond created by transforming
Greenwood Park into a detention area approximately 20 ft. in depth and
with a pumping station. This essentially eliminates this area as usable park.
In addition nine residences need to be acquired and removed as part of the
construction and approximately 18,000 ft. of new sewers will be required to
connect the problem areas; Bruce/Lincoln/Knight, North
Terrace/Greenwood, Normal and Madison to the detention pond. The cost is
estimated at approximately $20 million.
Option 2: This combines DPA2 and DPA3 providing approximately 22
acre feet of detention capacity divided between two areas. 18 acre feet can
be obtained by using open space, if attainable, at Our Lady of Ransom
Church (OLR) and 4 acre feet would be added through converting some of
the area at Greenwood Park. There is no need to acquire any residences in
this approach. The approximate cost for this option is estimated at $7
million.
Option 3: This involves implementing Option 2 based on an Engineering
design that would accommodate the addition of 40 acre feet of detention
capacity at an additional site, possibly Greenwood Park, at a later date.
While not discussed, the expected cost for phase I of this two phase
program would be approximately $7 million, since it generally duplicates
option 2. Costs for Phase II, the addition of 40 acre feet of additional
storage capacity at a later date needs to be estimated.
Also, in Options 1, 2 and 3 a small section of underground storage
accomplished by installing appropriately sized sewers and a pumping
system would be installed in the Carol/Crain/Grace area.
The degree of flood relief that each option is estimated to provide is
described in the following. The improvements are based on a comparison of
the degree of individual flooding from surface waters that may be expected,
based on the modeling, against a 10 year rain event (2.5” or more) and a
100 year event (6” or more).
Base Condition: Number of homes currently impacted with conditions as is:
10 year event – 39 homes
100 year event – 118 homes (includes the 39 expected in a 10 year
event)
Improvement from Option 1:
10 year event – no residential flooding expected
100 year event – approximately 12 homes may experience
residential flooding.
Improvement from Option 2:
10 year event – approximately 4 homes may experience residential
flooding.
100 year event – approximately 68 homes may experience
residential flooding.
Improvement from Option 3:
Phase 1 - Same as Option 2
Phase 2 - Same as Option 1
Tom O’Malley, a Bruce/Knight area resident asked to address the
committee on behalf of himself and other residents in his area that
experience flooding. Tom identified that he does not believe that his
residence experiences direct overland flooding, but floods from overflow
water that is ejected from the sewers in his area, generating street flooding
which then becomes surface flooding at his residence and at several other
homes in his area. Tom described for the committee his understanding of
the sewers in this area, that there are two (2) 60” diameter sewers which co-
join and then connect to an 18” diameter sewer eventually connecting into
the Park Ridge system. He then raised the question concerning the 18”
connection and his opinion that the street flooding occurs because the 18”
section greatly reduces the flow from the two (2) main 60” sections.
To review and discuss Tom O’Malley’s concerns, Jeff Wickenkamp
displayed the Niles Sewer Atlas section which describes the actual sewer
system in the area in question. The drawing identifies two separate 30”
diameter sewer segments in Knight and a similar set of twin units in Bruce.
These two sets of twin 30” sections co-join approximately at the corner of
Knight and Bruce, to one 18” diameter section. The drawing also identified
that the two twin 30” sections only connect to the Park Ridge system via the
18” connection identified above. These main sections do not connect with
any other sewer. They are not a through conveyance segment. The 18”
section is a restriction, by design, for the purpose of regulating the
discharge rate from the two sets of twin 30” storage sewers.
The drawings also show that the twin 30” sections are dedicated to this area
of Bruce and Knight in order to provide underground storage of surface
water which naturally drains from the West Side region, as initially
described in this summary. Normal and Lincoln are the primary overland
flow paths to the Bruce/Knight area.
The possibility that back flow from the Park Ridge system may be one of
several causes for generating the overflow conditions described by Tom
O’Malley was discussed. It was also noted that Greenwood sewers
discharge into Sunset through a restrictor and that surcharges in this section
could possibly vent through manholes onto Sunset and Normal, leading to
the Bruce/Knight area and adding to the accumulation of storm water in this
area.
Subsequently, there was a brief discussion initiated by Ostman of possible
short term options to reduce Bruce/Knight flooding. These included the
installation of a check valve in the 18” section that connects with Park
Ridge to function as a back flow preventer, if this is proven to relate to the
flooding conditions described by Tom O’Malley. Closing the manholes on
Sunset and Normal to redirect the surcharge mentioned above may lead to
problems elsewhere and this does not appear to be viable. In addition the
option to re-instate storage capacity in the OLR field along Lincoln Ave.
and or lowering Normal Ave. for the storage of overland flow were also
mentioned as other possibilities. All of the above are outside of the scope of
the West Side program options at this time and would need to be reviewed
in further detail as a separate activity. No additional action was planned at
this meeting.
Mayor Callero also identified that the twin sets of sewers in discussion
where installed in the Bruce/Knight area in approximately in 1995 as
storage reservoirs, and that they worked well with no local flooding that he
recalls of, for over 10 years. This prompted a brief discussion of what has
changed leading to a brief review of weather records for the Niles area.
Jeff Wickenkamp displayed historical rain fall data from Cook County
Gauge No. 3, located at Oakton and Des Plaines Rd. It showed the two
large events of 2008 (6.5”) and the recent July event (5.8”) as the two
outliers from what was otherwise a generally consistent pattern of one to
two 1.5” rain events each year. It was also noted that Niles rain gauges at
Ballard and Cumberland and Touhy and Milwaukee often show significant
differences in rainfall amounts for a given event. In general, no significant
explanation for the increase in flooding frequency in the Bruce/Knight area
was evident in the weather data that was reviewed.
4. Ongoing Projects and Open Discussion:
a. Illinois Green Infrastructure Grant (IGIG). Steve Vinezeano reported that
$202,224 was awarded to Niles towards implementation of the Neva
Avenue Bioinfiltration Facility project. This was the first year for this grant
from the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency (IEPA). There are
several goals to the project. 1. Reduce pollution; 2. Beautify the area; and
3. Eliminate the potential impact from snow melt.
b. Utility Repair Program. Scott Jochim discussed the Nicor Gas Sewer Line
Repair Plan. This is an insurance program that is available to individual
homeowners. It appears that this program could be of value to individual
homeowners in the event that they experience problems with the lateral
sewer connection from their home to the street, which is the homeowner’s
cost responsibility in Niles. Specific information from Nicor Gas was
included in the meeting agenda.
c. Public Services and Policy of Pumping Private Basements. Scott also
briefly reviewed a policy regarding pumping flooded basements as a
Village function. It is Niles policy to not enter or pump individual flooded
basements for safety reasons regarding possible electrocution from live
power in a flooded basement. It was recommended that this policy remain
as is, which is similar to Fire Department regulations.
d. Greenwood Restrictor. Tom Polcyn reported on the question concerning
the size of the restrictor in the Greenwood sewer. It is now at 12”. If
manhole surcharges are occurring, a 10” restrictor, which was previously in
place, could be re-installed. Vinezeano requested that the 10” be reinstalled.
e. Data Collection for Utilities. Ostman discussed the purchase of a hand held
data collection device which will allow for field updates of the Niles sewer
system records and provide field data access. It was recommended that the
purchase of this unit at a cost of approximately $25,000 is pursued.
Andrew Vitale stated that the GIS Steering Committee will be discussing
the device.
5. Next Scheduled Meeting:
September 7, 2011 - The purpose of the September 7 meeting will be to
review the complete Hey and Associates Phase I analysis summary and
recommendations in preparation for the September 27 Village Board
Meeting. A special request will be made to the Village Board members to
attend this meeting.
September 27, 2011 - The purpose of the September 27 meeting is to
formally present the results and recommendations of Phase I of the storm
water analysis to the Board. This presentation will include the analysis
results and recommendations for the East and West side areas. Based on
what Hey has learned about Niles conditions from their analysis of the West
and East sides, a professional estimate of possible costs to address localized
flooding issues in the North and South areas will also be included in order
to provide directional information concerning the possible overall program
cost.
Several steps between the September 7 and 27 meetings were also identified. The
information from the September 7 meeting will be forwarded to Finance for cost
and funding analysis. A formal Finance committee meeting will be scheduled for
September 21 to prepare funding information for the Village Board presentation.
Key property owners related to implementing the West Side detention system
options will also be contacted prior to the September 27 meeting in order to review
feasibility of the land acquisition required in these proposals. They are the Chicago
Archdiocese regarding land at OLR and the Niles Park District concerning the
Greenwood Park Site.
Mayor Callero noted that acquiring or accessing land at OLR may be very difficult
because of the Archdiocese historic reluctance to sell properties. Because of this
and Trustee LoVerde’s concern on the loss of usable park area, Trustee LoVerde
suggested a possible backup option to consider, the acquisition of individual homes
south of Greenwood Park in an area that has experienced a high rate of flooding.
The meeting was adjourned at noon.
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