Stormwater Commission
Regular MeetingNiles, IL · January 24, 2019
Minutes
Stormwater Commission Meeting Summary
Thursday January 24, 2019
Members Present: Fred Kudert, Steven Vinezeano, Thomas Powers, Andrew Vitale, Joseph
LoVerde, Robert Callero, Fred Braun, and Chuck Ostman.
Residents in attendance: Rosemary Palicki, Lednard Palicki, Karen Diamond; Karol Giokas,
Robert Hoglund, Alex Kravetz, Mike Shields
Others in attendance: Jeff Wickenkamp, Hey and Associates; Dan Randolph, Village of Niles
The Stormwater Commission meeting convened at 8:00 a.m. in the Council Chambers at Village
Hall.
Old Business: The following topics were presented and discussed.
The Meeting Summary for the August 23rd 2018 meeting was approved.
The following items were considered out of order to allow the full commission to hear the
resident concerns.
New Golf Mill/Greenwood Stormwater Park – Project Update
The Village and Park District continue to work together to design a park improvement at the
Golf Mill/Greenwood Stormwater Park. The park landscape design contract will be considered
in February. The stormwater project has nearly completed the topographic survey. Staff
submitted an O&M manual to the MWRD to meet the requirements of the IGA.
Howard Sewer Outfall - Project update
The new Howard sewer outfall was included with Howard Street watermain project bid
documents. The outfall is a modification to one of the projects from the stormwater update. The
project is currently out to bid.
Flood Control Program – Budget Recommendation
The annual review of the budget for the flood control program was reviewed. The current budget includes
$50,000 which would cover 12 homes. Community Development indicated that there isn’t currently a
backlog of projects, however at the current funding level, the funds are typically used each fiscal year. The
commission unanimously approved a motion for a formal recommendation to the budget committee to
retain funding for the homeowner flood control assistance program at $50,000 for FY 20.
The Commission considered the following old business with input available from the Chair.
8607 National - Hey and Associates reported their findings regarding the National analysis.
They reported the sewer capacity is inadequate and that adding additional inlets to a sewer that
has capacity issues does not resolve the sewer capacity issues. However they did find that the
block has a fairly large drainage area tributary to one inlet located at the sag point. Sag inlets do
not have the ability to bypass flow, so street flooding occurs when sag inlets are clogged.
Therefore it would be good engineering practice to provide an additional inlet at the sag location.
There would also be a minor inlet capacity benefit to provide the additional inlet at the sag for
smaller storms. Hey did not recommend adding an additional inlet further north as when the sag
clogs the extra inlet provides the most benefit when located at the sag.
The resident, Alex Kravetz, indicated that there is a problem with trash clogging the sag inlet.
He also indicated that he often had to clean the inlet. The resident was concerned because the
lateral sewer drained in a triangle and that was part of the problem. The Village engineer
confirmed with Hey that the sewer geometry was accounted for in the model and headloss was
accounted for. The 48” sewer lack of capacity is the problem and not headloss due to the lateral
sewer geometry. Hey indicated that even with thought the additional inlet provides additional
protection, flooding will still occur. The resident indicated that something is better than nothing,
and appreciated anything that could be done to provide even a small benefit. The Commission
agreed to install an additional inlet at the sag point to provide extra protection from clogging and
surface flooding. Staff would reach out to notify the resident when the extra inlet would be
installed.
Wisner Green Infrastructure - Mike Shields presented some photos of flooding on Wisner
from multiple flooding events. The pictures also documented that certain streets around 8100
Wisner that do not flood. Mr. Shields indicated that green infrastructure may not be the best
solution and that the real solution is larger sewers. He understood that a sewer replacement
project is large project, but asked that this area is kept in mind.
Hey concurred with the residents understanding of the flooding situation on Wisner. Hey
explained that the Wisner project identified in the stormwater update is a good project, however
in terms of prioritization there were 12 projects which were found to provide more benefit.
Wisner is bathtub which has a tributary area consisting of the block itself. The 15” combined
sewer downstream is too small and backups to the low point of the block. Hey evaluated some
smaller green infrastructure based solutions for interim relief. The first option is lot level green
infrastructure to store half the storm run off, this would reduce the 25-yr and 100-yr flood depths
by 6 inches. The stormwater plan update indicated the recommended project reduced 100-year
flood depth by 2.1 feet. The second option of a bioswale for the entire block length resulted in
0.1 to 0.3 foot flood depth reduction, the third option of permeable pavement would reduce flood
depths by 0.2 to 0.4 flood depth reduction. Hey felt the flood depth reductions from green
infrastructure were minor compared to the reduction indicated by the recommended project in
the stormwater plan update.
The chair inquired as to whether there was a way to increase sewer capacity to protect the homes
from the back up. Hey indicated that we could increase the sewer on Merrill but we would
increase flooding downstream. The resident asked about creating a barrier or berms in front of
the homes to protect them. Hey indicated that the barrier would be possible with extensive
rework but the barrier would trap lot level water. The Chair indicated there is the overland flood
protection program available to home owners to provide flood protection to homes as well. The
engineering department is available to consult for residential level flood issues and the flood
control program.
New Business: The following topics were presented and discussed
MS4 Stormwater Management Plan (SWMP) - The annual public review of the SWMP was
completed by having the item on the agenda. There were two main changes to the plan 1)
Outfall map changed based on the Harts Road project 2) The private property program
inspection requirements was revised to meet a lower standard of inspection frequency by the
Village. Inspection will be performed in response to complaints, during the normal course of
business, and via the routine outfall inspections. The inspections frequency previously conceived
in the SWMP would have been the most aggressive private property inspection program in the
state.
Resident Concerns 8200 Merrill Residents at 8200 Merrill experienced back yard flooding and
would like to address the commission.
The residents reported the following:
They have had a problem for many years with significant increases in frequency; flood depth and
perimeter (proximity to the home) occurring in the past several years.. They feel the problem
has been exacerbated by new development in the area that resulted in additional runoff. The
standing water does not reach the house but is getting close to the house. The residents have
tried various methods to address the problem including installation of a raingarden (failed) and
installing multiple pumps that have burned out. Despite their efforts to resolve the standing
water issues the issue persists.
The Chair asked whether when the pumps operate if the yard drains. The residents confirm the
pumps do drain the yard when they are working, but they must take them out of service in the
fall to prevent freezing damage to the pumps. Late fall flooding, pumps removed, resulted in
freezing this winter season. The pumps have also routinely failed due to sediment plugging the
pumps. . The pumps (3,000 gal. per hr. capacity) also take a long time to remove the water,
generally over a period of 6-8 hours. Without the aid of pumps, 7 to 10 days are generally
needed for the yard area to dry. Photos of the flood conditions described above were submitted
by the residents.
One of the residents felt the problem started once the Village required that downspouts were
disconnected. The additional surface runoff from downspouts has exacerbated the problem. The
residents feel they have been proactive in trying to address the problem, but factors out of their
control have caused the problem to persist and get worse. Currently a 1” rain will cause the
yards to have standing water. The back yard is low and as properties redeveloped around them
they have raised their properties.
The Chair asked if the downspout water could be redirected to the front. The resident felt it
would not help since the rear of the property is lower than the street and surrounding properties.
The resident believed there was supposed to be an alley built in the rear which is why the
properties slope to the rear. The Chair inquired if staff had any records of grades on adjacent
properties. Staff indicated they would have to research to historic grades to find if they were
available. Commissioner Ostman indicated he researched a nearby property with a private storm
sewer. Commissioner Ostman requested to continue the discussion to the next meeting so that a
private property sewer on Elmore could be investigated. The storm sewer on Elmore is located
short distance away and could potentially be used for gravity drainage.
The Commission explained that the Village would not get financially involved in resolving back
yard flooding, but would research the private sewer option for the residents.
IICP – Draft Long Term Plan -The Village Engineer reported on the MWRD Infiltration and
Inflow program that is required by the MWRD for the separate sewer area of town. The Village
will be submitting a long term plan in July. The draft long term plan was attached to the
information packet submitted for the review of the Commission. The engineering department
noted the final plan would also be submitted to the commission prior to final submittal to
MWRD. Dan Randolph explained the major point of interest for the commission was the private
sector program. The private sector program while technically new would follow existing
enforcement procedures. The current ordinance already grants the Village the right to access
property for code inspection purposes.
A sanitary services inspection program at point of sale is not currently included in the program.
The Commission asked about who assigns the fine in the private sector program. Commissioner
Ostman explains that fines are determined during an adjudication process. There was a question
about how downspout disconnections were inspections were addressed now. Downspouts are
reviewed during flood control projects, major renovations, and real estate transfers. A question
was raised about service inspection and what triggers it now. Currently laterals are only
inspected during a major renovation, this policy will be continued under the IICP long term plan.
Commissioner Ostman indicated that due to the 500 real estate transfers per year and the amount
of inspectors available that looking for stormwater connections to the sanitary system inside the
home (aka illegal ejectors) was very difficult. The commission recommended that a resident
education process is established once the plan is issued.
The second part of the IICP is the long term operation plan. This portion of the plan basically
documents our existing processes.
MWRD Ordinance update - The MWRD is currently revising the Watershed Management
Ordinance. One of the major points of revision is the detention system release rate developed
based on the result of watershed release rate. The North Branch of the Chicago River will have
no change in release rate, the DesPlaines watershed will have a reduction in release rate to 0.20
cfs/acre. The effective date of the new release rate is January 1, 2020 and there will be no
grandfathering of developments after January 1, 2020.
A second major component to the revised ordinance was a stormstore stormwater credit program
being considered. The third major revision is that pavement maintenance projects which utilize
green infrastructure will not trigger stormwater detention. Finally a redevelopment provision
will become more stringent requiring previously grandfathered properties to come into
compliance. To date very few projects in Niles would have triggered the new redevelopment
provisions.
The Village engineer encouraged the commission to review and comment on the ordinance
revisions.
Hey discussed the need to revise the Village of Niles stormwater ordinance based on the revised
MWRD WMO. The ordinance revisions would be considered after the MWRD WMO revision
becomes official
Next Meeting Date
The date of the next meeting will be at the call of the chair.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:43am
Agenda
PUBLIC SERVICES
MAYOR TRUSTEES
Andrew Przybylo George D. Alpogianis
John C. Jekot
VILLAGE MANAGER Joe LoVerde
Steven C. Vinezeano Danette O’Donovan Matyas
Denise McCreery
VILLAGE CLERK Dean Strzelecki
Marlene J. Victorine
Meeting Agenda
STORMWATER COMMISSION MEETING
Thursday January 24, 2019 at 8:00 a.m.
VILLAGE HALL, Board Council Chambers (1st FL)
I. Call to order
II. Roll Call
III. Resident Concerns
a. 8200 Block of Merrill
IV. Old Business –
a. Approval of minutes
i. August 23, 2018
b. 8607 National (Hey)
c. Wisner Green Infrastructure (Hey)
d. New Golf Mill/Greenwood Stormwater Park – Project Update (Tom)
e. Howard Sewer Outfall ‐ Project update (Tom)
f. Flood Control Program – Budget Recommendation (Tom/chuck)
V. New Business –
a. MS4 SWMP (Tim and Tom)
b. IICP – Draft Long Term Plan (Dan and Tom)
c. MWRD Ordinance update (Tom)
i. Webpage and four main highlights
VI. Other Business
VII. Public Comment
VIII. Future Meeting Date – TBD
IX. Adjourn
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