Industrial Zones Oversight Committee
Regular MeetingNorwalk, CT · February 24, 2005
Minutes
Industrial Zones Committee 02/24/2005 Minutes
INDUSTRIAL ZONES COMMITTEE ACTIONS
FEBRUARY 24, 2005
ATTENDANCE: Walter Briggs, Chairman; Mayor Alex Knopp; Paul Littell; Thomas
Failla; Neal Konstantin.
STAFF: Dori Wilson; Michael Greene; Alanna Kabel.
OTHERS: Frank Johnson, President, Manufacturing Alliance of Connecticut.
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 8:50 a.m. by the Chairman.
INTRODUCTION OF SPEAKER: FRANK JOHNSON, PRESIDENT
MANUFACTURING ALLIANCE OF CONNECTICUT
The Chairman introduced Mr. Johnson, who reviewed his background. He said that the
Manufacturing Alliance just published the Mac Index Report, a study comparing
Connecticut with other states in terms of economic infrastructure, transportation
infrastructure, quality of life and cost. Connecticut is one of the most expensive states in
which to manufacture but that is partially made up for with productivity. Manufacturing
accounts for 17% of the income in Connecticut. For every manufacturing job, they
sustain two service sector jobs. Manufacturing built this state, but we encourage our
children to go into other jobs. The average manufacturing job pays 20% more than
service jobs and they also have terrific benefits. The state has lost 40,000 manufacturing
jobs in the last four years. In addition, manufacturers in the state face fierce competition
from foreign companies, especially China. This is due to much cheaper pay rates, etc.
The playing field is not level.
Mr. Johnson said that from a zoning point of view, they are looking at what they are
going to do with their old manufacturing buildings in Bristol. Some buildings can be
reused, but the industrial parks are difficult. They have allowed a variety of non-
manufacturing reuses, such as health clubs, bank offices, fulfillment centers, etc. They
also went through eminent domain to take 22 acres of prime industrial space. After 5-1/2
years, there are no tenants looking to come into the park.
Mr. Johnson said that the number of manufacturing firms in the state has consistently
remained at approximately 5,500, but it has dropped to approximately 5,250 according to
the last Mac Report. The future does not bode well for people who have industrial parks.
They have to look at ways to put this land back into serviceable use. Some industries,
such as the medical device industry, continue to do well. The niche businesses have 50 to
100 employees; those that make highly specialized products should continue to do well.
Successful manufacturers are going toward lean manufacturing.
QUESTIONS/COMMENTS OF COMMITTEE
Mayor Knopp said that Norwalk does not have industrial parks but it does have industrial
zones. He asked if there was any rationale for keeping any use out that meets market
needs. Mr. Johnson said not as long as the infrastructure is there to support it. Bristol
does not have a lot of people looking for industrial uses.
Mayor Knopp said a concern about having fulfillment center types of uses is that many of
these areas are close to residential zones. He asked if any consideration was given in
terms of incentives for smart buildings, adaptive reuse, etc. Mr. Johnson said that is a
creative idea but Bristol has never done anything like that.
Mr. Greene asked Mr. Johnson if he was aware of any programs other communities have
used to attract companies. Mr. Johnson said they have used enterprise zones. Connecticut
is the only state in the Northeast that taxes manufacturing revenues and equipment as
personal property. He would rather see the corporate tax rates on profits.
Mayor Knopp said that the problem is that property tax reform would cause the city to
lose while the state would gain. They should join with CCM and find alternatives to the
property tax. Property tax reform has been unsuccessful in the Legislature.
Mr. Morque asked if high value-added manufacturing and medical devices are being
looked at and how that can be encouraged from a zoning and economic standpoint. Mr.
Johnson said he did not see how they could do this from a zoning standpoint, but they
certainly can aggressively go after this. The issue with those companies is that they need
the most expensive equipment and are adversely affected by the personal property tax on
manufacturing equipment.
Mayor Knopp said that Gov. Weicker had proposed a program where the state would
reimburse 100% of the property taxes on new manufacturing equipment for five years to
encourage investment. Gov. Rowland, in order to balance the state’s budget, required that
cities receive 80% rather than 100%. Norwalk taxes have to be increased to cover taxes
that the state refuses to send and the manufacturers does not have to pay to the city. State
colleges and hospitals, all of which are located in cities, are subsidized by cities. They
should be the responsibility of the state, not the cities.
An audience member asked if there was any reason not to allow a use for a particular
building. He asked if anyone was aware of a generalized state that relates uses to the type
of traffic they generate. Mr. Johnson said that information is available. The International
Traffic Engineers Manual is used in all zoning applications.
An audience member asked if there was concern that the definition of industrial zone
becomes so diluted that it has a negative impact on manufacturing or industrial use. Mr.
Johnson said as long as manufacturing is allowed in a zone, it will remain a
manufacturing zone.
A member of the audience asked if there were any efforts to conduct these businesses in a
clean and contained way. Mr. Johnson said there are companies that feel they do so.
An audience member asked if there was a mechanism to enable new uses proposed to be
dealt with in a quick way. Mr. Johnson said they can do this within 60 days in Bristol.
The land use process in Connecticut is a long process.
Mr. Morque said they have had a lot of inquiries from recreational uses, and he asked
about power generation use. Mr. Johnson said they have not seen this, but through Mac,
they run a generation pool. Everyone needs this but no one wants it in their
neighborhood. If there are benign technologies that can be utilized, they would consider
it.
Mr. Failla said they are requiring higher skill levels in manufacturing, but apprentice
programs are run on a low tech level. What do the schools need to do to support this. Mr.
Johnson said part of this is the school system. None of the school systems turn out
workers with math skills. The community colleges don’t turn out students useable to an
industry. This is a huge problem. Other states have programs specifically geared toward
manufacturing workers. There was a tax program associated with apprentice programs,
but this was eliminated two years ago.
The Chairman thanked Mr. Johnson.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES – DECEMBER 6, 2004 & JANUARY 26, 2005
Approval of minutes was held over to the next meeting, due to the lack of a quorum.
SET FUTURE MEETING DATE
The next meeting will take place on March 17th at 8:30 a.m. in the Community Room
ADJOURNMENT
The Chairman adjourned the meeting at 9:45 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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