Legislative Hearings
Regular MeetingSt. Paul, MN · August 27, 2013
Minutes
15 West Kellogg Blvd.
City of Saint Paul Saint Paul, MN 55102
Minutes - Final
Legislative Hearings
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator
Jean Birkholz, Hearing Secretary
legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us
651-266-8585
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:00 AM Room 330 City Hall & Court House
9:00 a.m. Hearings
Remove/Repair Orders
1 RLH RR 13-39 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 777
LAWSON AVENUE EAST within fifteen (15) days after the September 4,
2013, City Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Bostrom
Remove or rehab within 30 days.
RE: 777 Lawson Avenue East (Single Family)
Erick Flyckt, Attorney for U. S. Bank, current owner, appeared. Five Brothers is their
agent in this matter.
Ms. Moermond:
- this is a layover
- this is a proposed Order to Remove or Repair
Mr. Flyckt:
- he posted the $5,000 Performance Deposit last week
- in the meantime, his client had a contractor analyze the cost of the rehab
- instead of going with the rehab, they got a bid for demolition: $28,500
- they would like to proceed with demolition
- he is waiting for a document from FIve Brothers to provide timelines for that process
Steve Magner, Vacant Buildings:
- the city previously had bids on this property; does not have a current bid (previous
bid in 2012 from Rayco: $10,100, not including asbestos abatement)
Ms. Moermond:
- potentially, the bid could be lower
- Mr. Flyckt may want to contact Joe Yannarelly, 266-1920, to email over the bid tab
Mr. Magner:
- Mr. Flyckt's client may contact any of the vendors on the city's original bids and ask
them if they would either honor that price or amend it for 2013 costs
- the city needs to have a signed contract with a licensed demolition vendor from Mr.
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Flyckt's client
- need to have a demolition license from the city
- CIty Council Public Hearing Sep 4, 2013
- his client may also make application to have the $5,000 Performance Deposit
returned (bring a letter to the Dept of Safety and Inspections counter); it take
approximately 2 weeks to process the return of that deposit
Ms. Moermond:
- will recommend the U. S. Bank have 30 days to Rehabilitate or Remove the
property
- at the end of 30 days if you have the demo contract in place, Mr. Magner will grant
an additional 30 days for the execution of the demo
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/4/2013
2 RLH RR 13-40 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 676
WELLS STREET within fifteen (15) days after the September 18, 2013, City
Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Bostrom
Need performance deposit or bond posted in order to grant time for the rest of the
conditions.
RE: 676 Wells Street (Single Family)
Ronald J. Adams, owner, appeared.
Romy Slowiak and Mike Grealish, ad hoc committee of Payne Phalen District
Council, appeared; Mr. Grealish is also Vice President of Friends of Swede Hollow
Steve Magner, Vacant Buildings:
- 1 1/2 story wood frame single family dwelling with detached wood sheds and a
screen house on a lot of 3,049 sq.ft.
- vacant building since August 7, 2012
- current property owner: Ronald J. Adams per Ramsey County Property records
(Note: Beth Agnes Woolsey is now listed as the tax owner, homesteader and
certificate of occupancy responsible party.)
- Jun 6, 2013, inspection conducted; list of deficiencies which constitute a nuisance
condition developed; photos taken
- Order to Abate a Nuisance Building was posted Jun 19, 2013; compliance date Jul
19, 2013
- as of this date, the property remains in a condition which comprises a nuisance as
defined by the legislative code
- estimated market value: $5,000 on the land; $35,000 on the building
- real estate taxes are current through the first half of 2013
- Vacant Building registration fees were paid by assessment on Feb 1, 2013
- code compliance inspection done Oct 29, 2012
- as of Aug 26, 2013, the $5,000 performance deposit has not been posted
- 5 Summary Abatement Notices since 2012
- 1 Work Order issued for installing fence around the property
- estimated cost to repair this structure exceeds $50,000
- estimated cost to demolish exceeds $12,000
- the Department of Safety and Inspections (DSI) is seeking a resolution to remove
the building within 15 days
Christine Boulware, Heritage Preservation Commission (HPC):
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- 1983 Historical Survey of Saint Paul and Ramsey County identified 676 Wells Street
as an early Victorian era workers cottage constructed circa 1875
- survey form completed in 1981 described the frame structure with clapboard siding
wrapped in vinyl; windows were being replaced at time
- the property was considered in tact and unaltered; physical condition was listed as
poor
- identified as part of the local potential Payne Avenue Historic District
- the several square block area contains a collection of basically, intact
turn-of-the-century commercial buildings along Payne Ave and a 2-block stretch of
smaller workers cottages along Wells and a large concentration of middle class
Victorian wood frame and brick houses
- 2011 neighborhood survey: the potential historic district earlier identified no longer
had historic integrity
- 676 Wells had been considerably altered
- based on the information and lack of context, demolition will have no adverse affect
- the neighborhood now has lost its historic integrity
Ms. Slowiak:
- the ad hoc committee of the District 5 Council is concerned about this parcel and
the People's Park and the other Wells property (all related to the wall that connects
them)
- the home at 676 Wells is worth saving; she is will aware of all the testimony and the
repairs that need to be made; she assumed that it was a fairly shabby house, not
worth inhabiting but she had the opportunity to go inside last Sunday with some
interesting people, some with a very high historic background; all were surprised
- submitted photos
- their concern is about preserving homes and it is her understanding that there is
some legacy of federal money that came through; and was given money by the
CDBG and CIB process
- she was shocked to see some of the lovely charm and condition of the inside of the
house (built-in buffets; interesting features); there are at least 3 people living there, as
far as she could tell, in a fairly orderly way; this is not a garbage house; the kitchen is
clean - there's a sense of Order
Ms. Moermond:
- do you understand that this is a Condemned structure and no one is supposed to be
living there; and you weren't supposed to be in there; also, it's supposed to be
boarded (Mr. Magner: the structure was not boarded as of yesterday; it will be
boarded today)
Ms. Slowiak:
- her general testimony is that the house seems livable, salable; the owner has put in
a lot of time and effort; there are attractive features; so, why are we tearing down a
house with such charm (?)
Ms. Moermond:
- this is not an effort to tear the house down; this is an Order to Abate a Nuisance
Building
- abating a nuisance condition could mean fixing the building; it could mean knocking
the building down (getting rid of that nuisance condition)
- this is not a case of eminent domain; the property does not change ownership
Ms. Slowiak:
- these 3 properties are linked by a wall /park and their future is intertwined
- quoted from the Bob Kessler's memo to Dave Thune, Oct 2006; and from Steve
Ubl, St. Paul's Building Official (attached)
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- there has been a lot of testimony and information on the wall
- the ad hoc committee is responding to the community's embrace of the "People's
Park"
- will submit a letter from the district council
Ms. Moermond:
- the "People's Park" is a parcel in transition; it's not park land
- the committee is connecting it to the middle property, 676 Wells, because the wall
behind the properties extends the length of all three properties
Ms. Slowiak:
- the committee understands that there is a possibility that a nonprofit could take
ownership of the house and land and use it for it's intended purpose (Ms. Moermond:
not a nonprofit, per se; it would need to be a Community Development Corporation
working in concert with the Housing and Redevelopment Authority (HRA))
- she spoke with Mike Hahm and asked him the above question to which he
responded, "It may be, technically, possible." Then, he quoted Bob Hammer, "I
understand that the property, 680 Wells, was purchased with community
development block grant funds. Federal requirements are quite stringent and dictate
that the subsequent use of the property must meet a national objective of the
program. My further understanding is that the property in question will be owned by
the Parks Dept. and used as a park serving the immediate neighborhood."
- the committee asks that this situation be laid over for another 3 months before the
final transition is made
Ms. Moermond:
- she will set aside the adjacent property concerns in this case; that is beside the
point, entirely
- some discussion ensued regarding DSI's estimate for rehab
- Ms. Slowiak's notes were scanned into the record
Ms. Slowiak:
- they want to explore possible nonprofit interest in receiving the building, the land,
and the possibility of partnering with Parks to use the land as originally intended as
housing and perhaps, part for a park
- knows that the current owner has had a lot of time to fix things but it just seems that
it would be fair to ask that they have a fighting chance to come up with funds to bring
the building into compliance
Mr. Magner:
- parcel at 676 Wells is owned by Ronald J. Adams; previously: Beth Agnes Woolsey
- parcel at 680 Wells was part of a larger development project when the Johnny
Johnson school was done; there were parcels that were purchased by the Housing
Redevelopment Authority (HRA); at that time, there were some thoughts of more
redevelopment, specifically, on the south side of Wells St; they also purchased
numerous parcels on the north side of Wells St
- the action before us today is a police power action; it's to eliminate the nuisance as
it has been defined; one remedy is rehabilitation; another remedy is removal; if it
were to be removed, the cost would be assessed as a special assessment (put onto
the taxes and remains a private ownership)
- parcel at 674 Wells had this same process happen to it; it was declared to be a
nuisance and a resolution was passed by the City Council empowering code
enforcement to remove that structure; subsequently, HRA purchased the parcel
Ms. Slowiak:
- she thanked Mr. Magner for that explanation
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- the committee will submit a report from their findings
- the District Council will submit a letter
- they are asking for 3 months extension to do research and come up with a report
- the wall, and the 3 parcels are linked; the house at 676 is secondary
Mr. Grealish:
- looking at the list for 676 Wells and having lived on the East Side his whole life, the
list describes a lot of houses on the East Side and people can't come up with the
money to do all the repairs; he wishes there were a mechanism designed (by the city)
to help people do those repairs
- he believes that whoever owns the wall / 680 Wells has a tourist attraction on their
hands; he brings people to see it
- Peoples' Park has a Facebook page
Ms. Moermond:
- the notes of this meeting, documents that are entered, etc. will be attached to this
file for the City Council
- additional documents, District 5 meeting notes, etc., will also be attached
- you can come to testify at the City Council Public Hearing
- asked what the Ownership and Encumbrance Report tells us about this property
(type of title search); also the status of the building permits
Mr. Adams:
- he spoke with Jim Seeger this morning
- in May, he received a Notice from Vacant Building Inspector Tom Friel ; before that
he was supposed to call Vacant Building Inspector Rich SIngerhouse but he did not
remember that; he thought that they would contact him to do the building deficiency
inspection
- he has the list and he had someone out to look at the house last Jun 2012; he made
some recommendations and he got a permit
- he told Jim Seeger to come and look at the house; 70%-80% of the work is done
- his sister, Beth Woolsey, hired a private guy
- he took out one entire bathroom and won't put in another; he needs someone to
look at it
- he had pulled a building permit before the code compliance inspection
- installed an egress window
- Home Depot put in a new water heater
- Joseph's Electric was in 8-9 months before Jun 2012; he didn't do a very good job
- he planted more grass
- until one of those inspectors come, he can't go forward with anything
- he had discussed these things with Pat Fish; like switching the heating system to
electric and he talked with Xcel
Ms. Moermond:
- she has to rely on what a building inspector tells her about what's done and what
isn't done; that's the only way she can verify it in front of Council
Ms. Boulware:
- looking at the record, the last electrical permit was pulled in Oct 2011, it was
inspected but not finaled (value of permit $4,500)
- building permit pulled Jun 29, 2012; Todd's last inspection Jul 17, 2012 (value of
permit $2,000; repair 2 windows, soffit, fascia, sheet rock, egress window, etc.)
- plumbing permit still active from Jul 18, 2012 (value $200) don't see an inspection
Ms. Moermond:
- all of those permits were pulled before the code compliance inspection was
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conducted and had to do with Correction of the Fire Certificate of Occupancy
inspection; in 2012
Mr. Magner:
- Mr. Adams has subsequently purchased the property from Ms. Woolsey
- doesn't have access to the Ownership and Encumbrance Report right now; it's back
at the office
- now, Mr. Adams appears as the owner in Ramsey County records (Ms. Moermond:
so the transfer of ownership occurred after this building was declared a Category 3
Registered Vacant Building which is in violation of the Bostrom Ordinance )
Mr. Adams:
- there was no transfer of ownership; that's incorrect; Beth's name is still on the
property; she is the owner; his name was just added, officially
- Beth pays the bills
Mr. Magner:
- Ramsey County never showed Ronald Joseph Adams as the owner and now it lists
Ronald J. Adams as the owner with 6008 W 89th Terr, Overland Parks, KS
66207-2012 as his address; it lists Beth Agnes Woolsey and the tax owner, 676
Wells St, St. Paul MN; and Beth Agnes Woolsey, C of O Responsible Party, 6008
89th Ter W, Overland Park KS 66207
- the Declaration and Order to Abate was issued Jun 19, 2012
Ms. Moermond:
- she will have to sort out what it means if there is an inclusion of R-Joe on the
property title
- she is not sure how the repairs were addressed because they were not addressed
under permit (incorrect venting; incorrect water piping)
- Mr. Adams took out the bathroom in the basement without permit; the lines need to
be capped properly
- Mr. Adams will need to hire an HVAC contractor who will pull a new permit
- he will need to hire a licensed electrical contractor who will pull a new permit
- he will need to hire a licensed plumbing contractor who will pull a new permit
- he will need to pull a new building permit, too
- need to cover all items on the deficiency list and all permits need to be finaled
- there's no record indication Mr. Adams called for any follow-up inspections after Jun
19, 2012
Mr. Adams:
- he called Todd late Jul-Aug 2012 and other inspectors and they said they couldn't
come any more; it had been transferred to a VB Program
Ms. Moermond:
- sees that a building permit was pulled Jun 29, 2012
- Sutter came out Jul 17; he did not final the permit - there was still work to be done
- all you had to do was pay the VB fee and you would have gotten an inspection but
you didn't pay the VB fee (that's the only think she can think of as to why they didn't
come to inspect)
Mr. Magner:
- read notes from building permit:
- Jul 17, 2012: met with owner to discuss repairs -basement and foundation
- Jul 18, 2012: no action by the owner to repair - discussed repairs and placement of
beams; basement and foundation
- plumbing permit pulled by contractor, Troy Good Champion Plumbing LLC - is
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required to call the plumbing inspector; a licensed plumber does the plumbing work
and they are responsible to pull the permit but the contractor needs to make sure that
the plumber gets the plumbing inspector out for inspection - it's a condition of the
plumbing permit - MN Rule 1300.0210 subpart 4; (Mr. Adams contends that the
plumber told Mr. Adams to get the plumbing inspector); at that time, it was really
Beth's business to chase him down
Ms. Adams:
- this is adding up to a lot of money
- he explained that in 1884, that horses pushed a second house on slides to connect
with the first small house to make the house that is there now
- he knows a lot of this house's history; he has lived there over 20 years
Ms. Moermond:
- Wells Fargo has the mortgage on the property so, they seem to be the most likely
funding source to help Mr. Adams with this
- Dayton's Bluff Neighborhood Housing Service is another good funding source
- a $5,000 Performance Deposit or Bond needs to be posted
- the city's and the neighborhood's preference is to get this all fixed
- it was made clear last summer at the City Council Public Hearing that the house
was Condemned and Ordered Vacated; it became part of the VB Program and a
Code Compliance Inspection would be required; Mr. Adams got the Code
Compliance Inspection at that time but he continued to live in the house, despite the
fact that it was Condemned and Ordered Vacated - it shows his unwillingness to act
in accordance with local codes and laws; in situations like this, she calls things a lot
more conservatively that she otherwise would because there's already a breach of
faith on his part to work with the city
- she needs to see a concrete Work Plan
- she needs Mr. Adams to talk with someone in a financial institution to get some
information on how this can be handled and she needs to see the documentation;
she would be thrilled if Mr. Adams could finish the rehab for less than $5,000 but she
needs to see the documentation on how that's going to be done; Beth should be
helping him do these things or doing them for him
- it sounds as though there may be an ownership problem; that needs to be cleared
up; she needs more information on that
- good things: the VB fee has been paid; the Code Compliance Inspection has been
conducted; some initial permit work has been undertaken; and he has neighborhood
support, which may also be able to help with financing, work, etc.
- she needs Mr. Adams to understand the gravity of this situation and how we get this
done
- she wants to give Mr. Adams time to talk with his sister about this; to contact Wells
Fargo and Dayton's Bluff NHS; to talk to contractors and get bids, etc.
- she envisions Mr. Adams and her working together consistently in the coming
weeks; she needs him to meet her half way there; she is looking for an act of good
faith from Mr. Adams, showing her that he is willing to move forward on this
Mr. Magner:
- the $5,000 Performance Deposit would be refundable based on the timely
completion of projects (180 days); if a bond is posted, it would be purchased for
about 10% of that
- after the deposit/bond is posted, permits would be made available
Ms. Moermond:
- needs Work Plan, showing bids and deadlines for work completions, etc
- needs a new Building permit that covers all items on the Code Compliance
Inspection Report
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- also needs new plumbing, electrical, and warm air permits that cover all items on
the Code Compliance Inspection Report
- in order to get time from the City Council to finish this work, you will need to meet
some conditions ahead of time; posting the deposit/bond starts this process
- will lay this over for 2 weeks to put down that $5,000 Performance Deposit or $500
bond; talk to sister about it; talk with financial institution
- next step will be a Work Plan (timeline with deadlines and bids/costs)
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 9/10/2013
11:00 a.m. Hearings
Summary Abatement Orders
3 RLH SAO 13-35 Appeal of Robert Madrigal to a Vehicle Abatement Order at 1779 CARROLL
AVENUE.
Sponsors: Stark
Grant until September 20, 2013 for compliance to remove the commercial van.
(NOTE: Deadline was originally September 13 with a CC on 9/4. Missed the CC 9/4
deadline.)
RE: 1779 Carroll Avenue (Single Family)
Robert Madrigal, owner, appeared.
Inspector Scott St. Martin:
- Jun 10 - complaint about an old commercial truck sitting in the driveway
- a Correction Notice was issued Jun 13 to have truck moved by Jun 24, 2013
- Jul 18 an Excessive Consumption charge was issued (truck belongs to owner's
X-husband, who does not live at the property and she can't get it towed)
- sent Vehicle Abatement Order Aug 1 to have it moved by Aug 20, 2013
- property owner called and stated that she could not do it; was advised to talk with
Parking Enforcement to get it ticked and possibly get it moved that way
Mr. Madrigal, X-husband of the property owner:
- he didn't find out about this until the end of Jul 2013
- he had major surgery the week of Jun 7, 2013 and hasn't been able to do anything
- he is on a lot of meds and is not supposed to do anything for 6-9 months
- he is asking for more time to get help - 30 days
- that truck was in the process of being sold; he had 3 different buyers; however, that
didn't work out at the time
- he can't use the truck but he doesn't want to lose out on it either
- it is parked on concrete and it runs
Ms. Moermond:
- doesn't understand why Mr. Madrigal needs 30 days to turn the truck around and
move it
Mr. Madrigal:
- he has to clean-up around it and clean it out, too
- he really doesn't understand why it has to be moved
- he's been out of the property for about 2 years
Ms. Moermond:
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- it doesn't appear to be operable
- the tabs are from 2011
Mr. St. Martin:
- the owner is asking for more time because if the city tows the vehicle, she is liable
for the costs that go along with that (he was trying to work with her); she is very
frustrated with this; the truck isn't hers; she wants to comply but is having difficulty
with getting her X to move it
- gave her the parking enforcement number
Ms. Moermond:
- right now, the owner can get this truck ticketed because it's not there with her
permission; then, it will be towed - that would be the simplest thing for her to do
- the other alternative is to have the city remove it and then, he would have to go to
the impound lot to pay for getting it back
- hopes he can get it sold
Mr. Madrigal:
- the owner and he don't communicate much anymore; she tells him things at the last
minute and he's been laid up
Ms. Moermond:
- it shouldn't be a big deal to get a friend to move it
- will recommend that the vehicle be moved by Sep 13, 2013 or the city will tow it as
of Sep 16, 2013
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/18/2013
4 RLH SAO 13-36 Appeal of John Knowles to a Summary Abatement Order at 750 FOURTH
STREET EAST.
Sponsors: Lantry
8/30/13: Owner called and stated he thought hearing is on 9/3. He wants to be
rescheduled, if possible. I told him that I would reschedule to 9/3. -mxv
No one appeared. Deny the appeal.
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 9/3/2013
Orders To Vacate, Condemnations and Revocations
5 RLH VO 13-43 Appeal of Kenneth Firkus to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of Occupancy
and Order to Vacate at 661 ASHLAND AVENUE.
Sponsors: Khaliq
Grant until June 30, 2014 for painting of the house and garage.
RE: 661 Ashland Avenue (Two family dwelling)
Kenneth Firkus, owner, appeared.
Fire Inspector A. J. Neis:
- Revocation of a Fire Certificate of Occupancy and Order to Vacate dated Aug 12,
2013 by Fire Inspector Jeremy Hall
- this is the first time the building has had a C of O
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- process started Jan 2013 when Inspector Hall identified 14 code violations of which
2 remain; they are not life safety issues
- basically, this went over the 90-day compliance period and he was advised to
appeal
- the property owner is willing to paint but he would rather wait until spring and do a
more thorough job: remove old siding and install new
- concerns: 1) the garage is not mentioned in the estimate from PorchLight Homes;
and 2) Apr 30, 2014 seems too early in the spring to have this done
- has reviewed photos
Mr. Firkus:
- looking for an extension because of time and money
- longer than Apr 30, 2014 would be very appreciative
- the estimates includes the garage; he has confirmed that (either he will repair and
paint or put on new siding)
Ms. Moermond:
- a deadline of Apr 30, 2014 is very aggressive and probably unachievable
- will recommend that the City Council grant until Jun 30, 2014 to come into
compliance with the exterior of the house and garage
Mr. Neis:
- they will re-instate the Certificate of Occupancy
- Mr. Firkus will receive a letter from their office that the C of O is approved with
Corrections
- he will receive the fee bill; once that's paid, he will get the Fire C of O
- if the work is not completed by Jun 30, 2014, enforcement action would be taken
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/18/2013
11:30 a.m. Hearings
6 RLH VO 13-45 Appeal of Kao Yang to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of Occupancy and
Order to Vacate at 599 MARYLAND AVENUE EAST.
Sponsors: Bostrom
Grant until September 20, 2013 for tenant to vacate the property.
RE: 599 Maryland Avenue East (Single Family)
Tenant Kao Yang appeared. (owner, Anne Edmunds)
Fire Inspector A. J. Neis:
- Revocation of a Fire Certificate of Occupancy and Order to Vacate dated Aug 20,
2013 by Fire Inspector Benjamin Ellis
- Multiple code violations exit; none have been corrected
- Started as a complaint in Jun 2013: roaches and interior is dirty
- Fire Inspector Ellis issued Correction Orders Jun 13, 2013 for multiple repairs,
including extermination of the property with re-inspection on or after Jul 15, 2013
- Jul 16, 2013, inspection was made but no work had been done; inspector found
more violations
- Inspector Ellis ordered an early C of O inspection for obvious issues
- Issued an appointment letter Aug 8, 2013 to do a full Fire C of O inspection Aug 19,
2013
- On Aug 20, 2013, the Fire C of O was Revoked due to long-term noncompliance
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and additional code violations were found
- Based on the inspector’s notes, it appears that there has been an access issue with
the tenant and the property owner
- Aug 19 notes: the tenant’s not answering for inspection; (they thought it was for the
next day, so, he re-scheduled it for the next day)
- Aug 20: property owner called and said she received a message from the tenant
saying that he was not going to be home for the inspection; re-schedule it for when
he’d be there
- Inspector advised the property owner of the statutes: entry by landlord and advised
that non-entry may result in a warrant
- Aug 21: inspector met with the property owner at the appointed time; the tenant
was apparently home but refused to answer the door; property owner attempted to
use key for access but the tenant had changed the locks and they weren’t able to
gain access again
- This is an issue of noncompliance and no cooperation between the tenant and the
landlord
- Because of the multiple code violations and the issues at hand, the inspector
Revoked the Certificate of Occupancy and Ordered it to be Vacated Sep 3, 2013
- C of O cycle started, technically, Aug 8 or 9; complaint Jun 12, 2013
Mr. Yang:
- his family lived in CA and he planned to get them from there (his mom, his brother
and sister-in-law and their kids); before he rented this property, the landlord promised
that she would fix the things that needed repair and paint what needed to be painted,
etc., but by the time he brought them back here, nothing had been done; he left Fri,
May 31, 2013 to fly to CA and then it took them about 3-4 days to return to Minnesota
with them; they had plenty of chance to do what needed to be done; when he got
back here, the previous tenants still had their materials in the house; he talked with
the landlord about having the previous tenants get their stuff out; the house was dirty
with a lot of roaches; she didn’t do anything so, he complained to the city and they
sent an inspector, who gave her more time to fix things but she didn't do it; she
complained to the city that it was hard for them to enter the property but she wanted
to come at 8 pm to fix things at the house; he told her, "No, because he and his
brother would be at work and only his mom and sister-in-law would be home with the
kids."
- he asked his landlord to call him, text him, or write a note telling him when they
would come to fix
- again, she sent someone over without Notice and no one was home but his mom,
who was upstairs and can't hear very well; he entered the house and went upstairs
and scared his mom
- he told the landlord that she cannot enter his house unless she gave prior notice or
for an emergency
- second week of Aug, the landlord sent another guy over without giving Notice and
they had the key to the house; again, he was angry because they gave no notice and
just entered with the key; after that he decided to change the locks
- he had told her about his schedule - that she could send someone over early in the
morning
- he doesn't want any one there while his mom is home alone with the kids
- he needs more time to move
- at the beginning of Aug, he asked the landlord to release him from the contract
because she hadn't been honest with him; she told him she would paint and fix things
but she didn't
- inspector gave them until Sep 2, 2013 to move out but he needs more time
- asking until Oct 1, 2013 to look for property
Ms. Moermond:
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- she sees some things on the list that the tenant is responsible for
- she is disappointed that Mr. Yang hasn't provided access
- all the landlord is legally required to give is 24 hours access notice
- changing the locks bothers her
- the inspector going over and not getting access bothers her
- yet, she has sympathy for his relatives - living in this bad situation
Mr. Yang:
- he changed the locks for the safety of himself and his family on Aug 19, 2013
- when landlord sends someone to repair things, they just leave their junk at the
property (man left carpeting outside after ripping it out); he is not responsible for their
junk
Ms. Moermond:
- will recommend changing the Vacate date from Sep 3, 2013 to Sep 20, 2013
- City Council Public Hearing Sep 4, 2013
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/4/2013
1:00 p.m. Hearings
Fire Certificates of Occupancy
7 RLH FCO Appeal of Dale and Nancy Lapakko to a Notice of Incomplete Student
13-193 Housing Registration Application at 2075 DAYTON AVENUE.
Sponsors: Stark
Grant the appeal.
RE: 2075 Dayton Avenue (Single Family)
Nancy Lapakko, owner, appeared.
Fire Inspector Leanna Shaff:
- there are no open Orders on this
- this is regarding a Student Housing Application that was apparently sent to the city ;
however, the city did not receive it
- she spoke with Inspector Urmann last week about this and his response was that
the owner didn't send the application to arrive on time or with any student I.D.s
- the email attachment from the school came in only because she had requested it; it
had been in the system since 2007
- attached is a Notice of Incomplete Student Housing Registration Application , dated
Aug 12, 2013
- attached is an email from John Hershey, St. Thomas, dated Aug 12, 2013, which
states that these students are registered at St. Thomas for this year
- attached is a Student Housing Application, dated Aug 24, 2012
- attached is last billing, rental agreements, etc.
- the only thing in the system is from 2008: the Certificate of Occupancy inspection
was listed as a single family residential and done by Mitch Imbertson
Ms. Lapakko:
- they purchased the house as student housing in Aug 2002
- John Hershey kept them informed as to what was going on during the re-zoning
- she got the registration form and mailed it in
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- she went into the hospital Dec 10 and remained there for about a month and then,
things were not good until Mar 2013
- she remembered that John Hershey has sent her an email saying, "I noticed on
your website that 2075 was not listed;" so, she called and talked with someone who
said it wasn't registered but listed as student housing; she had forgotten about it until
John Hershey sent her another email Jul 5, saying, "It's still not on here"
- she then called the city and said that they were not listed on the website as student
housing; Anthony looked it up and said that it was listed as student housing but
you're not listed as having submitted an application; she told him that she had filled
out the application and thought she had done everything she was supposed to do; he
said that if she could provide documentation proving that along with the history, he
would talk with the supervisor and inspector
- she provided 18 months of leases and a copy of the application to the dept
- she didn't hear back so she called Anthony after a week, who said, "It doesn't look
good but call Mike Urmann"
- she called Mike and he talked with John Hershey that morning; she called John
Hershey, who said that he composed a letter (Aug 12, 2013)
- the actual Fire Certificate of Occupancy posted inside the house specifically says
"Student Housing"
Ms. Moermond:
- the original student housing application got lost somewhere
- this is a peculiar one for LH: Chap 67 Section 704 Zoning Code
- she will recommend that City Council grant this appeal; there is adequate
documentation
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/18/2013
8 RLH FCO Appeal of Mai Kou Vang to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 1751
13-196 CLEAR AVENUE.
Sponsors: Bostrom
Grant the appeal for Appellant to be out of the Fire Certificate of Occupancy Program .
RE: 1751 Clear Avenue (Single Family)
Mai Kou Vang, owner, appeared. (Mai Vang interpreted.)
Ms. Mai Kou Vang:
- she owns this property with Blong Vue, who lives at 731 York Ave; they are
separated but both names are on the title
Fire Inspector Leanna Shaff:
- Fire Certificate of Occupancy Inspection conducted on Aug 15, 2013 by Inspector
James Thomas
- 13 violations
- process started Jul 8, 2013 with a complaint of an unpainted garage and a patched
window
- recommended that the appellant change the registered address with Ramsey
County tax records
Ms. Moermond:
- recommended that Ms. Vang be released from the Fire C of O Program
- advised that she go to Ramsey County to change the record of her address
Ms. Mai Kou Vang:
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- has completed all the items on the lest except for the heating test
Ms. Moermond:
- Ms. Vang's Orders are cleared
- will recommend granting this appeal
- Ms. Vang is the owner of 1751 Clear Avenue and her driver's license indicates that
she lives there
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/18/2013
9 RLH FCO Appeal of Mary Martin to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 1204 GRAND
13-199 AVENUE.
Sponsors: Thune
LHO needs building inspector's input on the mixed used of the building.
RE: 1204 Grand Avenue (Single Family)
Mary E. Martin, owner, appeared.
Fire Inspector Leanna Shaff:
- Fire Certificate of Occupancy Correction Notice
- building was inspected on Jul 22, 2013 by Inspector Sebastian Migdal
- Inspector Migdal's notes: Conducted a full C of O inspection but during the
inspection, the owner informed me that she lived in the basement. I didn't observe
any evidence indicating that she was living in the basement. I informed her that she
was only approved as a B occupancy and not as a Mixed Use, meaning commercial
and residential use. I informed her to immediately discontinue the residential use in
the building.
- outstanding Order: the occupancy use has been changed from that previously
approved
- he writes: currently approved as business use only; immediately discontinue
residential use
Ms. Moermond:
- it's important to distinguish Zoning vs Occupancy that's been approved by building
official and the building code
- the use has to do with the building itself opposed to the underlined Zoning (what can
be on that land and what cannot)
Ms. Shaff:
- the occupancy use has to do with how the building is used
- this building has been certified as a business since 1987
- to change it to a residential use would take a determination to: 1) is it OK with
Zoning; and 2) does it meet the separation requirements, etc. to be a mixed use
building or a residential building
Ms. Martin:
- this came out of the blue for her
- she homesteads this property - 2000 was her first year in the house; she has a
studio in the basement
- for years, she has been inspected at this time of year and she has had a sleeping
area downstairs and she always got her C or O
- she made sure that she had an egress window and a smoke alarm, etc.
- she was shocked so she went down to Ramsey County records to check things out
- why should her records go missing from Fire
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Ms. Moermond:
- Ramsey County records should reflect the city statement; the city drives the county,
not the other way around
- asked for some of the old Orders to be brought up to check to see if any say
residential
Ms. Martin:
- the last inspector, James Perruca, said that he didn't need to go downstairs but she
brought him down there to show him the egress window; and there's never been a
problem until Inspector Migdal went downstairs
- Inspector Perruca was very specific about where the bed was to go
- she is currently the only one working there
- she is an esoteritician but she is phasing out her business; she is 62 and can't carry
the taxes on this property any more; she is also a massage therapist
- there would have been no reason for her to put in the egress window, etc. down
there had she not done the paper work
Ms. Shaff:
- after checking all the Fire C of O records since 1987, there's not one that says
there's a residence going on there
- an Office-Lower doesn't necessarily mean what Ms. Martin thinks it means
- the Lower might mean that it's not a high rise building
- Lower does not mean that it's a Mixed Use and the business is downstairs and
maybe a house is upstairs
- the use is determined by the building official, not the county
- 2007 C of O shows a discount but it doesn't say why
- Inspectors John Gallas, Phil Owens, Diane McCabe, Bob Rexheisen, Jim Perruca
and Sebastian Migdal have inspected this building and not one of them calls it a
residential in a business until now
- in 2001, there were no deficiencies; it was approved on the 1st inspection
- 2002, permit for re-roofing; fence permit closed for inactivity
- 2004, the fire extinguishers need to be re-charged
- 2005 - Grand Avenue moratorium
- 2007, Inspector Rexheisen says the business is closed so, he scheduled an
appointment, which was approved on 1st inspection
- 2010, Inspector Perruca requires GFCI
- 2010 - snow walk complaint
- 2013, Inspector Migdal only notes the unapproved use
- there was some licensing over the years
- zoning is BC
Ms. Moermond:
- this isn't a fire code issue; it's a building code issue
- she will talk to the building official, Steve Ubl, to see if it can be kept a mixed use
and the right level of inspection; he may come out and look at it directly
- asked Ms. Martin to call Mr. Ubl, 651/266-9021 before 9 am to make an
appointment
- Ms. Martin can be there until this is resolved
- will lay this over for 3 weeks to Sep 17, 2013
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 9/17/2013
Staff Reports
10 SR 13-53 Reviewing request for extension by Cyrus S. Irani on the garage
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remove/repair orders 1842 ASHLAND AVENUE.
Sponsors: Stark
Grant until July 1, 2014 for the removal or repair of the garage on the conditions that
the garage doors are permanently secured and unopenable and that condemnation
placards be placed on the other 3 sides of the garage. ( A separate resolution will be
going to Council to reflect this extension)
RE: 1842 Ashland Avenue (Apartments)
Ms. Moermond:
- the garage looks as though it has deteriorated further
Fire Inspector A. J. Neis:
- looking at photos, Ms. Moermond asked him about a snow load
- it's hard to determine because last year we had a large snowfall and it's still
standing; can't tell if it will be able to sustain another snowfall or not
- top of roof appears to have holes in it
- shingles are in bad condition
- door frame is leaning to the right
- siding is pulled off; there's broken windows
- concrete slab appears to be sagging
- it's definitely Condemnable
Ms. Moermond:
- will recommend that the City Council grant an extension on the
Rehabilitation/Removal of this garage to Jul 1, 2014; the garage doors need to be
permanently secured and unopenable and Condemnation placards should be placed
on the other 3 sides of the garage
- it can be a Condemned structure that continues to exist there if it is properly
secured and broom clean
- there's no guarantee that the city wouldn't move forward on an abatement order on
the garage if it looks like it's beginning to collapse
Mr. Neis:
- if there were an issue, it appears that the neighboring structure may also be
affected (eaves appear to be less than 3-4 inches away from the garage)
Received and Filed
11 SR 13-50 Reviewing Request of Additional Extension for Appeal of John Larson to a
Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 1453 DANFORTH STREET.
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Deny the appeal for an extension.
Received and Filed
2:00 p.m. Hearings
Vacant Building Registrations (NONE)
Window Variances: No Hearing Necessary
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12 RLH FOW Appeal of Lisa Lambert to a Correction Notice - Foster Care Inspection at
13-11 1964 FREMONT AVENUE.
Sponsors: Lantry
Grant a 4-inch variance on the openable height of the egress windows in the 2nd
floor bedroom. (No hearing necessary)
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/18/2013
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Agenda
15 West Kellogg Blvd.
City of Saint Paul Saint Paul, MN 55102
Meeting Agenda - Final
Legislative Hearings
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator
Jean Birkholz, Hearing Secretary
legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us
651-266-8585
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:00 AM Room 330 City Hall & Court House
9:00 a.m. Hearings
Remove/Repair Orders
1 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 777
13-39 LAWSON AVENUE EAST within fifteen (15) days after the September 4,
2013, City Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Bostrom
2 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 676
13-40 WELLS STREET within fifteen (15) days after the September 18, 2013,
City Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Bostrom
11:00 a.m. Hearings
Summary Abatement Orders
3 RLH SAO Appeal of Robert Madrigal to a Vehicle Abatement Order at 1779
13-35 CARROLL AVENUE.
Sponsors: Stark
4 RLH SAO Appeal of John Knowles to a Summary Abatement Order at 750
13-36 FOURTH STREET EAST.
Sponsors: Lantry
Orders To Vacate, Condemnations and Revocations
5 RLH VO Appeal of Kenneth Firkus to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of
13-43 Occupancy and Order to Vacate at 661 ASHLAND AVENUE.
Sponsors: Khaliq
6 RLH VO Appeal of Kao Yang to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of Occupancy
13-45 and Order to Vacate at 599 MARYLAND AVENUE EAST.
Sponsors: Bostrom
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1:00 p.m. Hearings
Fire Certificates of Occupancy
7 RLH FCO Appeal of Dale and Nancy Lapakko to a Notice of Incomplete Student
13-193 Housing Registration Application at 2075 DAYTON AVENUE.
Sponsors: Stark
8 RLH FCO Appeal of Mai Kou Vang to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 1751
13-196 CLEAR AVENUE.
Sponsors: Bostrom
9 RLH FCO Appeal of Mary Martin to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 1204
13-199 GRAND AVENUE.
Sponsors: Thune
Staff Reports
10 SR 13-53 Reviewing request for extension by Cyrus S. Irani on the garage
remove/repair orders 1842 ASHLAND AVENUE.
Sponsors: Stark
11 SR 13-50 Reviewing Request of Additional Extension for Appeal of John Larson to
a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 1453 DANFORTH STREET.
Sponsors: Brendmoen
2:00 p.m. Hearings
Vacant Building Registrations (NONE)
Window Variances: No Hearing Necessary
12 RLH FOW Appeal of Lisa Lambert to a Correction Notice - Foster Care Inspection
13-11 at 1964 FREMONT AVENUE.
Sponsors: Lantry
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