Legislative Hearings
Regular MeetingSt. Paul, MN · April 3, 2018
Minutes
15 West Kellogg Blvd.
City of Saint Paul Saint Paul, MN 55102
Meeting Minutes - Action Only
Legislative Hearings
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator
Jean Birkholz, Hearing Secretary
legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us
651-266-8585
Tuesday, April 3, 2018 9:00 AM Room 330 City Hall & Court House
9:00 a.m. Hearings
Special Tax Assessments (VB, B C)
1 RLH TA 18-146 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 249 BATES
AVENUE. (File No. VB1807, Assessment No. 188808)
Sponsors: Prince
Approve; no show.
Referred to the City Council due back on 4/18/2018
2 RLH TA 18-131 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1786
HAWTHORNE AVENUE EAST. (File No. VB1807, Assessment No. 188808)
Sponsors: Bostrom
To be referred back to Legislative Hearing on May 1, 2018 (Appellant arrived 2 hours
late.).
Referred to the City Council due back on 4/18/2018
3 RLH TA 18-161 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 95
LITCHFIELD STREET. (File No. J1807B, Assessment No. 188108)
Sponsors: Thao
Approve; no show.
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
4 RLH TA 18-134 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 995 MILTON
STREET NORTH. (File No. VB1808, Assessment No. 188810)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Ron Staehli, appeared o/b/o Patricia Fuchs, owner.
Supervisor Joe Yannarelly:
Cost: $2127
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Service Charge: $157
Total Assessment: $2284
Gold Card Returned by: Ron Staehli appeared o/b/o Patricia Fuchs, owner, on
02/20/18
Type of Order/Fee: VB Fee
Nuisance: unpaid VB fee
Date of Orders: Registration letter12/19/17 and Warning Ltr 01/18/18
Compliance Date: NA
Re-Check Date: NA
Date Work Done: NA
Work Order #: 17-222647, Inv # 1346810
Returned Mail?: No
Comments: CAT 1 opened 12/18/17 by Code Enforcement area inspector. House
vacant and secure by normal means, water off, exterior in fair shape, S/A sent on
snow.
Legislative hearing comments: Mr. Staehli appeared o/b/o of owner on 2/20 (see
minutes attached herein).
History of Orders on Property: snow orders
Mr. Staehli: I'm taking care of this for my son's best friend's mother; we appealed the
original assessment but apparently, that was late; so, we came & had a meeting & Ms.
Moermond said that we would handle this at the assessment portion of it - that she
would be waiving the VB fee for 90 days
-now, the water is back on & the owner is living there again; it's re-occupied
Mr. Yannarelly: as long as it's re-occupied & the water's on again; we're good
-noted that there's been about 6 snow complaints on the property since Dec 2017
Mr. Staehli: I didn't get involved until sometime in Jan 2018
Mr. Yannarelly: I will email the inspector that it's re-occupied & he will close the VB file
Ms. Vang:
Delete the assessment; water is back on and owner has moved back in. VB closed.
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
5 RLH TA 18-160 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1816
MINNEHAHA AVENUE EAST. (File No. VB1808, Assessment No. 188810)
Sponsors: Prince
Approve the assessment.
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
6 RLH TA 18-120 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 602 ORANGE
AVENUE EAST, (File No. J1805C, Assessment No. 182004)
Sponsors: Bostrom
Adam Cutters, owner, appeared.
Supervisor Joe Yannarelly:
Cost: $1800
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Service Charge: $162
Total Assessment: $1962
Gold Card returned by: Adam Petterson
TYpe of Order/Fee: Demolition of a fire damaged garage
Nuisance:
Date of Orders: August 2, 2017
Compliance Date: August 9, 2017
Re-Check Date:
Date Work Done: Notice to Proceed issued on September 21, 2017
Work Order #:
Returned Mail?:
Comments:
History of Orders on Property:
Mr. Cutters: do you have pictures?
Nhia Vang: yes; I have pictures
Mr. Cutters:
-I didn't own the property when this was done; I don't feel that I should have to pay for
an assessment that I wasn't even aware of at the time of purchase around Oct 20,
2017; this was not disclosed at the time of purchase; there was no garage when I
bought the property
Mr. Yannarelly: contact your title company
Mr. Cutters: I've already started a claim with them
Mr. Yannarelly: you buy the property; you buy the assessment, as well but it should
have been disclosed & you are going after the right people
-provided copies of the Summary Abatement Order, etc. that was sent to the previous
owner
Ms. Vang:
Approve the assessment.
Referred to the City Council due back on 4/18/2018
7 RLH TA 18-83 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1978 PALACE
AVENUE. (File No. VB1807, Assessment No. 188808)
Sponsors: Tolbert
John Stochl, Barbara Stochl's son, appeared.
Supervisor Joe Yannarelly:
Cost: $2127
Service Charge: $157
Total Assessment: $2284
Gold Card Returned by: John Stochl called in
Type of Order/Fee: VB Fee (entered VB Program Nov 2017)(Fire C of O was Revoked
by Fire Inspector Klein)
Nuisance: unpaid VB fee
Date of Orders: Registration letter sent 11/10/17, Warning letter sent 12/11/17
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Work Order #: 17-212768, Inv # 1341236
Returned Mail?: No
Comments: Category 2, VB opened 11/9/17. Per Ramsey County Property Records,
the property's ownership was updated based on a Quit Claim Deed that was filed in
August from Barbara Stochl to Serenity Holdings LLC.
Mr. Stochl: I was confused on the Revocation of the Fire C of O because it's never
been a rental property
Mr. Yannarelly: did you appeal the C of O Revocation?
Mr. Stochl: I tried but it's not a rental property; it's a house that's been in the family for
about 98 years, now
Mr. Yannarelly: I don't know the history of the C of O but it had a C of O Revoked by
the fire inspector; the owner of record with Ramsey County is listed as Serenity
Holdings LLC
Mr. Stochl: Wells Fargo got it back Dec 22, 2017; there was a time between Aug 31,
2017 & Sep 1, 2017 where my brother's wife tried to do a Quit Sale; at that point,
Champion Reverse Mortgage had already paid Wells Fargo the full amount owed on the
house
Mr. Stochl: I did ask Wells Fargo if they could be here but..... I'm the owner's son;
my mom's name is Barbara A. Stochl & she's the owner; things got a little confusing; I
called the bank & asked them & they said, "After the new bank, Champion, caught
the error after they had already paid Wells Fargo the money; Wells Fargo ended up
paying them back what they had just been paid by Champion;" so, more or less, the
house ended up right back where it had started; it's a mess
Mr. Yannarelly: who is Huan Dao? he's listed as the C of O Responsible Party
Mr. Stochl: I have no idea
-when the fire inspector was out there, he had my name on the paperwork
-is there any way to correct that?
Mr. Yannarelly: your bank would have to send whatever they have to Ramsey County
Recorder Office
Ms. Vang: we rely on Ramsey County's record; the only person of record that we have
is a Quit Claim Deed for Serenity Holdings LLC, listed as owner
Mr. Stochl: when I talked to the bank, they said that Champion Reverse Mortgage
wasn't paid by Huan Dao & the amount owed in $196,000; with a reverse mortgage,
there's only 2 ways out of it: 1) you'd pass away; of 2) you're still alive & you don't
want the property, you can just hand the keys back to the bank; but you can't do a
Quit Sale with a reverse mortgage
Ms. Vang: so you're saying that the bank shared information with you that your mother
could not have done a Quit Claim Deed because of the reverse mortgage (?)
Mr. Stochl: yep; they would have had to pay the full amount off on the house & the full
amount was just under $200,000
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Ms. Vang: do you have documentation of that process - when you met with Wells
Fargo & a representative?
Mr. Yannarelly: is there an ownership dispute? There's a note that says the sheriff
had an eviction on the property
Mr. Stochl: that's my brother's wife; she didn't want to be found out that she had done
something that she wasn't supposed to do
-we have all the paperwork from the bank
Mr. Yannarelly: the VB Registration fee has to be appealed by the owner; the owner of
record is Serenity Holdings LLC; & if you're trying to change that, you're in the wrong
venue; we're not the venue to change ownership
Mr. Stochl: where would I go to do that?
Mr. Yannarelly: Ramsey County
Ms. Vang: bring your paperwork to Ramsey County
-the owner of record needs to pay this VB fee & Serenity Holdings is listed as the
owner & they are not disputing it
-will recommend approval of the assessment
-CCPH Apr 18, 2018
Ms. Mai Vang: the bill won't come to you though; it will go to Serenty Holdings, LLC;
they will be responsible for paying the bill; if they don't, it will go onto the property taxes
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Approve the assessment.
Referred to the City Council due back on 4/18/2018
8 RLH TA 18-147 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 164 STEVENS
STREET WEST. (File No. VB1808, Assessment No. 188810)
Sponsors: Noecker
4/3/18: Approve; no show.
5/2/18: Follow-up: 02/27/2018: *Recheck - Per Marcia Moermond: Allow 2018 VB fee
to go to assessment, if owner has permits finalized by May 1, 2018, Ms. Moermond will
recommend to the City Council that the VB fee assessment should be deleted. If
owner is not in compliance, Ms. Moermond will consider prorating fee once project is
complete. ~MD
All Vacant Building files were closed by May 2, 2018.
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
10:00 a.m. Hearings
Special Tax Assessments (G, T, V) **A IS BEING ADDED**
9 RLH TA 18-88 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 869
FLANDRAU STREET. (File No. J1806A, Assessment No. 188506) (Legislative
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Hearing on April 3)
Sponsors: Bostrom
Owner, Andrea Durham, appeared.
Joe Yannarelly:
-this was a summary abatement order to remove multiple wood pallets in the yard
-Issued on October 24, 2017 with compliance date of October 31st, on Nov 1, recheck
and found non-compliance and a work order was sent to Parks to perform an
abatement that was done on November 1 (correction November 2) for $316.00, service
charge of $162 for a total of $478.00
-Notice was sent to Andrea Durham and also to a John Hebert in Urbandale IA
Nhia Vang:
-can we watch the video
Mai Vang:
-I am looking for it
-what is the time period
Nhia Vang:
-November 2
Mai Vang:
-unable to find video
Nhia Vang:
-why appealing
Ms. Durham:
-someone I talked to I found that the pallets were removed from my property
-I was told to fill out the post card and go to hearing
- I was actually needing those pallets for a project I was doing
-I also had surgery and was out of work and wasn't able to check my mails or remove
the pallets even if I knew about it
-I went out one day and found they were gone
Nhia Vang:
-if you are looking to reclaim the pallets, you may file a claim with the City
-without video, I am going to recommend deleting the assessment
Referred to the City Council due back on 4/4/2018
10 RLH TA 18-133 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 507
MINNEHAHA AVENUE EAST. (File No. J1807A, Assessment No. 188507)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Owner called and stated he missed the hearing due to a late flight. Rescheduled to
April 17.
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 4/17/2018
11 RLH TA 18-128 Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 280 STINSON
STREET. (File No. J1807A, Assessment No. 188507)
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Sponsors: Thao
Jose Aguirre Flores, owner, appeared.
Supervisor Joe Yannarelly:
Cost: $400
Service Charge: $162
Total Assessment: $562
Gold Card Returned by: ROSALIO CASTANEDA
Type of Order/Fee: SUMMARY ABATEMENT
Nuisance: FAILURE TO MAINTAIN EXTERIOR PROPERTY
Date of Orders: 11-28-17
Compliance Date: 12-5-17
Re-Check Date: 12-5-17
Date Work Done: 12-6-17
Work Order #: 17-219124
Returned Mail?: NO
Comments:
History of Orders on Property: GARBAGE HAULER ASSESSMENTS
VIDEO - crew removed TV, trash bags, furniture, chair, mattress, box spring, etc over
the entire yard
Mr. Flores: I didn't realize that there was so much garbage there; I didn't know
anything about the garbage until now; the city must have picked up the garbage before
I went there to get that car towed (silver BMW); I have nothing to dispute
Ms. Nhia Vang: Approve and spread over 3 years.
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/2/2018
Special Tax Assessments - ROLLS
12 RLH AR 18-31 Ratifying the assessments for Towing of Abandoned Vehicle service during
March 2017 at 682 MAGNOLIA AVENUE EAST. (File No. J1805V,
Assessment No. 188007)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Approve; no show.
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
13 RLH AR 18-28 Ratifying the assessments for Collection of Vacant Building Registration fees
billed during May 17 to November 22, 2017. (File No. VB1808, Assessment
No. 188810)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
14 RLH AR 18-29 Ratifying the assessments for Boarding and/or Securing services during
December 2017. (File No. J1807B, Assessment No. 188108)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
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Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
15 RLH AR 18-30 Ratifying the assessments for Trash Hauling services during January 2 to 31,
2018. (File No. J1808G, Assessment No. 188708)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Referred to the City Council due back on 5/16/2018
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Agenda
15 West Kellogg Blvd.
City of Saint Paul Saint Paul, MN 55102
Meeting Agenda - Final-revised
Legislative Hearings
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator
Jean Birkholz, Hearing Secretary
legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us
651-266-8585
Tuesday, April 3, 2018 9:00 AM Room 330 City Hall & Court House
9:00 a.m. Hearings
Special Tax Assessments (VB, B C)
1 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 249
18-146 BATES AVENUE. (File No. VB1807, Assessment No. 188808)
Sponsors: Prince
Attachments: 249 Bates Ave.CCI Letter.1-4-18.pdf
2 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1786
18-131 HAWTHORNE AVENUE EAST. (File No. VB1807, Assessment No.
188808)
Sponsors: Bostrom
Attachments: 1786 Hawthorne Ave E.Email.3-8-18.pdf
3 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 995
18-134 MILTON STREET NORTH. (File No. VB1808, Assessment No. 188810)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Attachments: 995 N Milton 2-20 MIN.docx
4 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 602
18-120 ORANGE AVENUE EAST, (File No. J1805C, Assessment No. 182004)
Sponsors: Bostrom
Attachments: 602 Orange Ave E.Notice to Proceed with Demoliton.9-21-17
602 Orange Ave E.Photos.9-21-17.pdf
602 Orange Ave E.Photos.9-29-17.pdf
602 Orange Ave E.VB Contractor Payment.10-10-17.pdf
602 Orange Ave E.Razed Garage Contractor Doc.pdf
602 Orange Ave E.Razed Garage Letter.10-10-17
5 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1978
18-83 PALACE AVENUE. (File No. VB1807, Assessment No. 188808)
Sponsors: Tolbert
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Attachments: 1978 Palace Ave.VB Registration Notice.11-10-17.pdf
1978 Palace Ave.Warning Ltr.12-11-17.pdf
1978 Palace Ave.Quit Claim Deed.8-30-17.pdf
1978 Palace Ave.VB1807.2-8-18.pdf
6 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 164
18-147 STEVENS STREET WEST. (File No. VB1808, Assessment No. 188810)
Sponsors: Noecker
10:00 a.m. Hearings
Special Tax Assessments (G, T, V) **A IS BEING ADDED**
7 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 869
18-88 FLANDRAU STREET. (File No. J1806A, Assessment No. 188506)
(Legislative Hearing on April 3)
Sponsors: Bostrom
Attachments: 869 Flandrau St.Summary Abatement. 10-24-17
869 Flandrau St.Photos.11-1-17.pdf
8 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 507
18-133 MINNEHAHA AVENUE EAST. (File No. J1807A, Assessment No.
188507)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Attachments: 507 Minnehaha Ave E.SA Ltr.12-13-17.pdf
507 Minnehaha Ave E.Photo.12-13-17.pdf
507 Minnehaha Ave E.Photo.12-18-17.pdf
9 RLH TA Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 280
18-128 STINSON STREET. (File No. J1807A, Assessment No. 188507)
Sponsors: Thao
Attachments: 280 Stinson St.Summary Abatement. 11-28-17
280 Stinson St.Photos #1.12-6-17.pdf
280 Stinson St.Photos #2.12-6-17.pdf
Special Tax Assessments - ROLLS
10 RLH AR Ratifying the assessments for Towing of Abandoned Vehicle service
18-31 during March 2017 at 682 MAGNOLIA AVENUE EAST. (File No. J1805V,
Assessment No. 188007)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Attachments: Assessment Roll J1805V.Mailing for 682 Magnolia Ave E 3-14-18.pdf
11 RLH AR Ratifying the assessments for Collection of Vacant Building Registration
18-28 fees billed during May 17 to November 22, 2017. (File No. VB1808,
City of Saint Paul Page 2 Printed on 3/30/2018
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Assessment No. 188810)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Attachments: Assessment Roll VB1808-Mailing 3-14-18.pdf
12 RLH AR Ratifying the assessments for Boarding and/or Securing services during
18-29 December 2017. (File No. J1807B, Assessment No. 188108)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Attachments: Assessment Roll J1807B-Mailing 3-14-18.pdf
13 RLH AR Ratifying the assessments for Trash Hauling services during January 2 to
18-30 31, 2018. (File No. J1808G, Assessment No. 188708)
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Attachments: Assessment Roll J1808G-Mailing 3-14-18.pdf
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