Legislative Hearings
Regular MeetingSt. Paul, MN · November 27, 2018
Minutes
15 West Kellogg Blvd.
City of Saint Paul Saint Paul, MN 55102
Minutes - Final
Legislative Hearings
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator
Jean Birkholz, Hearing Secretary
legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us
651-266-8585
Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:00 AM Room 330 City Hall & Court House
9:00 a.m. Hearings
Remove/Repair Orders
1 RLH RR 18-44 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at
931-933 SHERBURNE AVENUE within fifteen (15) days after the
October 24, 2018, City Council public hearing.
Sponsors: Thao
No one appeared.
Steve Magner, Code Enforcement Supervisor:
-read the letter sent Nov 15 to Richard & Susan Gotch re: Remove/Repair 931-933
Sherburne (attached)
Ms. Moermond: this will be at City Council Public Hearing Dec 12, 2018
Ms. Mai Vang: I have received nothing
Ms. Moermond:
Remove within 15 days with no option for repair.
Referred to the City Council due back on 12/12/2018
2 RLH RR 18-48 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 636
HALL AVENUE within fifteen (15) days after the December 12, 2018,
City Council Public Hearing. (Legislative Hearing on December 11,
2018)
Sponsors: Noecker
No one appeared.
Steve Magner, Code Enforcement Manager:
-read letter sent Nov 15, 2018 re: Remove/Repair property at 636 Hall Avenue
(attached)
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Ms. Moermond: have we received any documents?
Ms. Mai Vang: I have received nothing & our letter came back; Wilson Cuzco did not
sign in at the last hearing & I have no contact information so I sent it to 636 Hall Ave
Ms. Moermond: that's not useful
Mr. Magner: we did have this Blaine address: 13218 Aberdeen St NE, Blaine; that's
the same address that we sent the Notice of Public Hearings to
Ms. Moermond: has this property been maintained?
Mr. Magner: it seems kind of strange; it seemed that he was pretty gun-ho about
moving forward
-the last Work Order we did was in Aug 2018
-I'll check Mr. Yannarelly's notes to see if he's had to issue any other notices
Ms. Moermond: it's unfortunate about the letter not going to the address of record
because it's scheduled to go to Council Dec 12, 2018
-let's put this on the LH agenda for Dec 11, 2018
-let's re-send the letter to the address of record that got serviced; please note in the
new letter that he did not provide an updated address or email for us to communicate
with him & that we would sincerely appreciate contact information & that he should get
these conditions met ASAP; they will be reviewed on Dec 11
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Legislative Hearing on December 11: Owner to meet the conditions listed below:
1. provide a detailed work plan or sworn construction statement, including timelines
and bids/subcontractor bids, for completing the work required in the code compliance
inspection report;
2. documentation of financing sufficient to execute the above work plan will need to
be demonstrated (line of credit, construction loan, or personal bank account). You
have estimated the work to be $160,000. Please provide document of financing in that
amount;
3. If the funds being used are not tied to the project (such as a construction loan), we
require an affidavit that states the necessary funds will be set aside from other
business or personal accounts, and;
4. the property must be maintained.
Referred to the City Council due back on 12/12/2018
3 RLH RR 18-45 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 1232
SEVENTH STREET EAST within fifteen (15) days after the November 7,
2018 City Council public hearing.
Sponsors: Prince
Melissa Porter, Shapiro & Zielke, LLP, appeared representing Harrington Mortgage
Service & MERS.
Steve Magner, Code Enforcement Manager:
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-read letter sent Oct 11, 2018 listing conditions to be met (attached)
Ms. Moermond: those conditions were met; the matter was continued to today; where
are you at with the shortened redemption time period?
Ms. Porter: the hearing was held & the Order was signed on Nov 21, 2018; the sale
was originally scheduled to be held today; however, that sale was postponed & the new
sale date is Jan 2, 2019; the redemption period will be 5 weeks from the date of sale
according to the Order that was signed on Nov 21, 2018; the delay is due to the issues
with the property; so, 5 weeks from Jan 2 will be Feb 5, 2019
Ms. Moermond: the code compliance inspection has been ordered; the interior clean
out is done enough
Ms. Porter: they got rid of as much debris as they could & they moved the personal
items to the center of the room so that the inspectors could walk the perimeter & see
the walls & baseboards
Mr. Magner: we have a lock box combination & you're indicating that it's ready to be
inspected
Ms. Porter: because of the holidays, I was unable to connect with my office; my office
was closed; their office was closed; but I do know that they have had a hard time
connecting with anybody at DSI between 7:30 - 9 am in order to schedule something
Mr. Magner: email Jim Seeger & copy Reid Soley, copy me & copy Joe Yannarelly
-email him telling him that it's cleaned out enough for city crews to go thru; then, he will
re-que up the staff - it's been paid for & we have the lock box combination
Ms. Moermond: hoping to get this inspection done; then your clients can send their
contractor thru so that they can decide whether or not they want a green light to rehab
or something else
-we'll get that code compl insp done by Thu Dec 27, 2018
-sale date is Jan 2, 2019
-I will continue this to Jan 15, 2019 LH & I want to have a decision by then based on
the insp report; you probably won't need to be here; if they want to proceed with the
rehab, we'll figure out the money at that step
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Get code compliance inspection report and bids by December 27, 2018 and will
layover to January 15, 2019 for further discussion on what the property owner wants to
do with the building. If code compliance inspection report and bids are not submitted
by 12/27, owner should attend the hearing to explain plans.
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 12/27/2018
4 RLH RR 18-50 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 2059
IDAHO AVENUE EAST within fifteen (15) days after the January 2, 2019,
City Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Bostrom
John M. Hanson, owner, appeared.
Steve Magner, Code Enforcement Manager:
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-The building is a one-story wood frame and stucco single-family dwelling with a
detached oversized one-stall garage on a lot of 8,712 square feet. According to our
files, it has been a vacant building since January 29, 2016.
-The current property owner is John M. Hanson per AMANDA and Ramsey County
Property records.
-On August 2, 2018, an inspection of the building was conducted, a list of deficiencies
which constitute a nuisance condition was developed and photographs were taken. An
ORDER TO ABATE A NUISANCE BUILDING was posted on August 31, 2018 with a
compliance date of September 28, 2018. As of this date, the property remains in a
condition which comprises a nuisance as defined by the legislative code.
-Taxation has placed an estimated market value of $28,100 on the land and $105,400
on the building.
-Real estate taxes for 2015 through 2017 are delinquent in the amount of $10,237.81,
which includes penalty and interest. Taxes for 2018 are due in the amount of $6,600,
which includes penalty and interest. Property is scheduled for tax forfeiture July 2019.
-The Vacant Building registration fees were paid by assessment on February 28, 2018.
-As of November 26, 2018, a Code Compliance Inspection has not been done.
-As of November 26, 2018, the $5,000 performance deposit has not been posted.
-There have been eighteen (18) SUMMARY ABATEMENT NOTICES since 2016.
There have been ten (10) WORK ORDERS issued for:
- Garbage/rubbish
- Boarding/Securing
- Grass/weeds
- Vehicle
- Overhanging vegetation
-Code Enforcement Officers estimate the cost to repair this structure exceeds
$50,000. The estimated cost to demolish exceeds $15,000.
Ms. Moermond: this has been in the VB Program nearly 3 years; how do you want to
approach this situation?
Mr. Hanson: I talked with Mr. Yannarelly yesterday & got a run down on what I need to
do to get this resolved; I'm going to rehab the house; I haven't filled out the code
compliance insp application yet; I've been procrastinating
Ms. Moermond: where are you at with delinquent taxes & how did it end up in the VB
Program?
Mr. Hanson: I can pay the taxes; I just kind of abandoned the place; I had some
issues & I moved into a hotel; it got comfortable there & I had a lot of work to do on
this & I just kept procrastinating; the water was shut-off; I bought it 30 years ago & I
lost interest in it
-I own the house outright
-I used to have a home equity loan; it was never used; I got a letter to say that was
satisfied
Mr. Magner: title work indicates no state tax liens or anything; a home equity loan was
taken out Oct 5, 2010 for $30,000
Ms. Moermond: there's a lot of work that needs to be taken care of
Mr. Hanson: my niece's husband is in the business; I can get him to help me
Ms. Moermond: first order of business is that it needs a junk out
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Mr. Hanson: some stuff I want; will have to sort that out; I'll donate a bunch of things
Ms. Moermond: the end goal for you is to sell the house; to get as much equity out of
it as possible
Mr. Hanson: I have the money to fix it
Ms. Moermond: you'll need to clean it out so that our trades inspectors can go in for
the code compliance insp; they need to see the walls, etc; I think that you need to hire
someone to help you to move things/clean out
Mr. Magner: the garage will need to be cleaned out too (cluster things into the center
so the exterior walls are clear)
Ms. Moermond: clean out deadline: Dec 14, 2018 & apply for the code compliance
inspection
-then, we'll talk again at Legislative Hearing,Thu Dec 27, 2018 & we'll have the
inspection list
-after Dec 14, get the code compliance inspection done (Mai gave him an application)
-put a lock box on the door & give DSI the combination
-I will let the trades team know that you'll be applying for the code compl insp
-pay the back taxes ($17,237.81 including assessments); your property will go tax
forfeit the end of 2019; they'll give you a receipt; we can check that electronically; I will
need to see that you have the financial wherewithal to do the fixes
-post $5000 performance deposit with DSI
Mr. Magner: anything serviceable will remain; if not, it must be new; only certain
modifications need to be done; if you're re-doing the whole house, then, the whole
house needs to be re-wired to 2018 specs
Ms. Moermond: the next phase of things we'll talk about will be a Work Plan including
bids for the rehab
Mr. Magner: this is not a new issue; we've tried to work with Mr. Hanson back in Nov
2017; the city was trying to do an assessment but he was busy & couldn't meet; it's
important that Mr. Hanson understands that, moving forward, he'll need to meet the
timelines established by the hearing officer for certain things to be done, if he doesn't
do this, the other option - the recommendation of the Council will be a Resolution to
remove the building & I'll hire a contractor to raze the structure
Ms. Moermond: if you're meeting the conditions, I'm going to continue to work with you
to get this placed fixed & give you time to get contractors in there; if you're not working
with me on this, then, we'll just pull the trigger & move forward to remove the building
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Layover to December 27. Owner needs to provide the following information:
1) apply for the Code Compliance Inspection by December 14;
2) do a clean-out of the property by December 14;
3) bring delinquent property taxes to current by December 21;
4) post the $5,000 performance deposit by December 21.
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 12/27/2018
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5 RLH RR 18-51 Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 667
OHIO STREET within fifteen (15) days after the January 2, 2019, City
Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Noecker
Dennis Winge, friend of Neal B. Christopherson, owner, appeared.
Mr. Winge: Neal is not very healthy & is not doing well; he has cancer
-I signed a Purchase Agreement for his house on Nov 13, 2018; & I want to fix it to
move in
Steve Magner, Code Enforcement Manager:
-The building is a one-and-one-half story, wood frame, single-family dwelling on a lot of
7,405 square feet. According to our files, it has been a vacant building since May 26,
2006.
-The current property owner is Neal Christopherson per AMANDA and Ramsey County
Property records.
-On August 22, 2018, an inspection of the building was conducted, a list of
deficiencies which constitute a nuisance condition was developed and photographs
were taken. An ORDER TO ABATE A NUISANCE BUILDING was posted on August
28, 2018 with a compliance date of September 27, 2018. As of this date, the property
remains in a condition which comprises a nuisance as defined by the legislative code.
-Taxation has placed an estimated market value of $21,800 on the land and $90,000
on the building.
-Real estate taxes for 2018 are due in the amount of $921.24, which includes penalty
and interest.
-The Vacant Building registration fees were paid by check on May 31, 2018.
-An application for a Code Compliance Inspection was made on October 29, 2018; I
believe that has been completed & the report is attached.
-As of November 26, 2018, the $5,000 performance deposit has not been posted.
-No Summary Abatement Notices or Work Orders have been issued to this property.
-Code Enforcement Officers estimate the cost to repair this structure exceeds
$50,000. The estimated cost to demolish exceeds $15,000.
-since the Order to Abate & Declaration of the Nuisance on Aug 28, 2018, that
changed the Category status to a Cat 3 VB, which means that the city won't allow a
transaction of sale; but that doesn't exclude the possibility to instead of doing a
Purchase Agreement, you could enter into a contract where you, as the potential owner
or developer would rehabilitate the property for Mr. Christopherson & at the time, when
the Code Compliance Certificate is issued by the city, then, you could transfer the title
at the county
Mr. Winge: what if he dies? I respect what you guys are saying but it doesn't make no
sense; he's sick
-I have the money - $70,000-$80,000 to do the rehab; I'll gut it out; I talked to a couple
of inspectors who said that it wasn't that bad but I want to gut it out; I want to make
the house for me
Ms. Moermond: have you done this kind of thing before?
Mr. Winge: yes
Mr. Magner: our recommendation is that you would employ legal counsel to come up
with a legal binding contract that says, even if the individual passes during the period
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of time of the contract, there still is an entity (being his estate) that can follow thru with
this process; I can't give you legal advice but I can suggest that what the city would
accept, normally in our process, is a legal binding contract for a period of time that
follows the stipulations that City Council approves that says: Party A is going to allow
Party B to do this & the accomplishment of this will cause this action to eliminate the
nuisance & the city will remove its standard at which point, you're free & able to
transfer that legal sale
Mr. Winge: why wasn't this catagorized a "3" in 2006, 2007 or 2008; it's been empty
for 10 years; why now?
-is it because I've shown some interest?
-the sign went on the window after I gave the check for the inspectors to walk thru
(code compl insp)
Mr. Magner: you applied for code compliance on Oct 29, 2018
Ms. Moermond: the sign when up Aug 22, 2018 - months before then; it was already in
the works
Mr. Winge: you couldn't even see the front of the house; now, you can see it; I paid to
have 36 trees cut down; I'm ready to go to fix it; it's a nice house; it was raised up 25
years ago with a new foundation; 15 years ago, the front porch was put on
Ms. Moermond: city policy is that you can't sell a Cat 3 building; so, how do we work
this so someone like you can fix up the bldg; the way that we've bent the rules in the
past is to have that contract in place; an attorney can help you; the contract needs to
be clear; the title cannot transfer until the Certificate of Code Compliance is issued; in
order to get time from the Council to do the rehab, we're looking for the past due taxes
to be paid; the $5000 performance deposit to be posted; you'll need to submit a Work
Plan with bids & timelines; some people use a Sworn Construction Statement; we ask
that subcontractor bids/timeline are attached
-if you are not a general contractor, you get to do for one year if you don't have your
license
Mr. Winge: or I can hire; I have a lot of friends in the trades
Mr. Magner: whoever is putting together the Work Plan, the big issue is that you need
to have your sub bids; if you have things all sketched out, you can start sending that
to the LH & we'll start reviewing it
Ms. Moermond: you have your estimate already ($80,000); so, I'll be looking to see
that you have that amount to spend on this project (business account, construction
loan, loan agreement, etc.) so, you can prove that you have the finances
Mr. Winge: I want to gut it out; I want it all up-to-date; I want to make a nice house
Ms. Moermond: get it all together no later than Thu Dec 27, 2018 including the legal
agreement & if I & Mr. Magner approve it, you can pull permits on the strength of that
-at City Council Jan 2, 2019
-Mai Vang will send you a letter
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Layover to December 27. Owner to provide the following information no later than
December 27:
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1) A contractual agreement between Dennis Winge and the owner. This will be a
contractual agreement which must stipulate that Dennis Winge, as the purchaser, will
be undertaking the rehabiliation of the property while the property is still owned by Mr.
Neal Christopherson and that title is not transferred until the rehabilitation is completed
and a code compliance certificate is issued. This agreement is subject to approval by
the City;
2) A detailed work plan or sworn construction statement, including timelines, for
completing the work required in the code compliance inspection report will need to be
provided, including subcontractor bids;
3) Documentation of financing sufficient to execute the above work plan will need to
be demonstrated (line of credit, construction loan, personal bank account). The City
estimates the cost to repair to exceed $50,000; however, Dennis Winge has estimated
the work to be $80,000; therefore, he will need to provide document of financing in that
amount, and
4) If the funds being used are not tied to the project (such as a construction loan), an
affidavit is required that states the necessary funds will be set aside from other
business or personal accounts.
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 12/27/2018
11:00 a.m. Hearings
Summary Abatement Orders
6 RLH SAO 18-74 Appeal of Joann Hardy to a Vehicle Abatement Order at 668
LEXINGTON PARKWAY NORTH.
Sponsors: Thao
Appeal withdrawn by Appellant. Inspector and owner came to an agreement and issue
was resolved.
Withdrawn
Correction Orders
7 RLH CO 18-43 Appeal of Barbara Brekke to a Correction Notice at 1018 JENKS
AVENUE EAST.
Sponsors: Bostrom
Barbara Brekke, owner, appeared.
Code Inspector James Hoffman: I talked with Brian Karpen, city's structural engineer,
this morning; he said that he didn't think the garage was going anywhere; it would not
collapse; if anything, the roof would fall in
Ms. Moermond: I spoke with Brian, who said that the building is plumb right now; he's
not concerned about it collapsing; the concern is the hole in the roof becoming bigger,
which will weaken the roof & there could be property damage
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Ms. Brekke: anything that's in the garage belongs to somebody else, who hasn't
shown much concern about it
Ms. Moermond: I called the Rebuilding Together people; they told me that they would
send me a copy of their application so that I could give it to you today but I haven't yet
received it; the woman I spoke with told me that you are the kind of person that they
work with; they just recently helped someone on the East Side with their garage;
volunteers do the work but not in the winter
-I'm willing to give you a deadline of Jul 1, 2019
Ms. Brekke:
-I called a few of the organizations that you recommended & I'm waiting on what they're
going to be sending me
Ms. Moermond: follow-up with Rebuilding Together; you do need to get that application
in & approved now, so that you're at the front of the line in the spring
Ms. Brekke: I wasn't really concerned about the structure, just the roof
Ms. Moermond: I just needed confirmation
-at City Council Public Hearing, Dec 12, 2018, I will recommend that they grant an
extension to Jul 1, 2019
-if you need other kinds of housing services, call the House Calls Program; they have
dumpsters, housekeeping services, etc, call Erica Minus 651/266-1291
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Grant an extension to July 1, 2019 to repair the garage, under permit.
Referred to the City Council due back on 12/12/2018
11:30 a.m. Hearings
Orders To Vacate, Condemnations and Revocations
8 RLH VO 18-56 Appeal of Attorney MaLeeha Rizwy, Southern Minnesota Regional Legal
Services on behalf of Peggy Baker to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of
Occupancy and Order to Vacate at 752 CARROLL AVENUE #1.
Sponsors: Thao
MaLeeha Rizwy, Attorney, Southern Minnesota Regional Legal Services (SMRLS) and
Peggy Baker, Appellant/tenant, appeared.
Ms. Moermond: Revocation of the Fire Certificate of Occupancy/Order to Vacate
Fire Supervisor Leanna Shaff: this property has been here on a couple of occasions;
the last time, it was here with Mr. James Cannon, owner on Oct 9, you granted him an
extension to Nov 9, 2018 to remove the basement wall studs, venting, plumbing &
electrical, which were installed without permit or bring into compliance by getting this
work permitted & approved; Mr. Cannon failed to do so; so Inspector Laura Huseby
took enforcement action by Revoking the Fire C of O & ordered it Vacated
-I've talked to Ms. Rizwy regarding the Vacate; it looks like she's looking for more time
for her client, which we are not opposed to
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Ms. Moermond: it seems like this work is really doable
Ms. Shaff: it is; however, Mr. Cannon, at every step, just can't seem to get it done;
Insp Huseby has been in contact with him but she can't get him thru the process
Ms. Moermond: Mr. Cannon is also an owner-occupant or so he represents
Ms. Baker: he had a mailbox out there but he didn't live there; they came in and said
it's a triplex; I'm like, "No;" he said, "Oh! I just tell them that I live here;" which he don't
Ms. Shaff: it's not supposed to be a triplex; that lower area was under construction
without permits; it's supposed to be a duplex
Ms. Moermond: he said that he bought it & that the former owner had started this work
without permit (that he himself didn't do it but the fact is that he is stuck with the work
whether or not he installed it)
-what are you looking for today?
Ms. Rizwy: primarily, Ms. Baker is looking for more time to find some place to go; the
Notice was primarily to give the landlord the opportunity to make the repairs & to come
into compliance; & to have a legal right to start collecting rent again but it hasn't
afforded Ms. Baker enough time to find a place; she has a dog, which makes it harder;
& in the winter, I think, you'd need something like 60 days to try to find.....
Ms. Moermond: has SMRLS considered doing an Emergency TRA to effectuate the
repairs
Ms. Rizwy: we actually have one drafted & it sounds like... a couple of notes: he's
been in & out doing some of the work; we just want to make sure that.....
Ms. Baker: a plumber came over there & he said they just told him to shut the valves
off; so he dug it up from the concrete & shut the valves off; he told me it would be
easier that way but as far as the drain in the basement, it stinks so bad; I told him
about that & he said the plumber was coming but when the plumber came out, I told
him & he said that's from the drain outside.... that needs to be checked & he's not a
plumber for that; so, I don't know; the other repairs in the house, he barely's been
fixing; I don't know if he has the money to do it but I paid Nov rent; I keep telling him
stuff is wrong; they never told me this until when they came; he didn't even tell me; the
inspector told me;
-I've been paying rent & there's been problems since I've been there; the electrician
was supposed to come back the other day & fix the lights but he didn't; so, I don't
know what to do
Ms. Moermond: it strikes me that the best solution for you might be the Remedy
Action because apartment hunting is super hard & having a dog makes it harder & you
get the repairs done & are able to stay; I think that SMRLS needs to help you do that
Ms. Rizwy: we got the ETRA drafted & as that there are some repairs going on, we
just have to make sure that our factual allegations are current & accurate as of the day
that we file it; our plan is to have it filed tomorrow or Fri, at the latest
-if the landlord can get the place into compliance & get his Certificate of Occupancy,
that's the most stable & convenient option for Ms. Baker; if he's not going to listen to
you & to a judge, then, she still would need a couple of months to find some place
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warm to go to
Ms. Baker: I've been there since May; people before me trashed the place; he paid
my storage rent until May 7; all the doors were busted - never finished fixing them; he
doesn't fix anything but I still have to pay him $1200/mo; I don't trust him
Ms. Shaff: he needs to un-do the stuff that's been done & broom clean the basement
-an electrical permit was finally pulled on Nov 8, 2018 by Electric City Corp, St. Louis
Pk; valuation of work is $3800; a plumbing/sewer permit was pulled on Nov 6 to cap
plumbing in basement bathroom (water closet, bathtub) by Jay Gadtke Plumbing Inc,
Champlin; valuation of work $800; that's all we're seeing at this point
Ms. Moermond: and there was probably venting underneath the sheetrock
Ms. Shaff: he was given until Nov 9 to get the permits; in the last hearing we talked
about him getting contractors; then, he doesn't trust them so, then it doesn't happen
-Insp Huseby hasn't heard from him
Ms. Moermond: & your attorney has explained to you that, right now, you don't have to
pay rent as long as the C of O is Revoked
Ms. Rizwy: we'll ask the court in the TRA to make very clear that "no rent is due"
Ms. Moermond: the C of O was actually Revoked on Nov 9 (already a couple of
weeks)
-I want to give you time but I also want to do what I can to make sure things keep
moving - to get these repairs done & to the extent that we can keep you housed in the
same place, that's better for everyone
-you will file tomorrow
-I'm comfortable going with the Vacate extension for at least 30 days; I'm comfortable
going longer but I want to have it conditioned on things happening with the ETRA so
that if he's not following thru, then you're situated in a way & can be making sure that
the work gets done
Ms. Baker: the man upstairs pays more rent than me
Ms. Moermond: he should know, too, & maybe he wants to contact your attorney, that
court has the ability to set those rent funds aside & they can be applied to doing this
work
Ms. Baker: some of the lights, etc, did not work; he said that the electrician was going
to come back out & fix it but when? I called the Fire Dept because I came home & I
smelled smoke; it smelled like rubber was burning; whatever they fixed, the baseboard
heater finally started working because it never's been working since I moved in there
May 7; so the Fire Chief that came, he tried to call the landlord to tell him what it was &
he told him that "She has a door in here that has a knob & I see in her text messages
('cause I keep the text messages) that she's been asking you to have someone fix it;"
he knows my brother's an electrician; my brother says, "Your landlord don't have no
money; and I can't just work for free;" the Fire Dept said the knob was out & the other
part was still in there; you could get trapped in here; I told him that the Fire Dept said
he needed to get that fixed immediately
Ms. Moermond: I will recommend to the City Council that they give until Jan 1, 2019
as a new deadline for the C of O to be re-instated or the place Vacated but if you file a
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TRA & get the court on board with pushing thru these repairs, I'm willing to extend it
another 30 or 60 days; and so, I'd like to amend that so when it's in front of City
Council, I can say, "and they did the TRA so, I'm able to recommend this additional
time for those repairs to be completed either by the landlord or as ordered by the court
& facilitated thru whomever you work with"
Ms. Shaff: let us know what court decides so we can be working in tandem
Ms. Moermond: I can talk to trade inspectors to find out what the permit/inspection
status is
-I fully anticipate that I will be extending this out to Feb 1, 2019 but I just want to keep
the heat up to ensure that we have continued action
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Grant to January 1, 2019 to vacate the property provided attorney for appellant files an
emergency tenant remedy action (ETRA). If an ETRA is filed, may grant additional 30
days.
Referred to the City Council due back on 12/12/2018
9 SR 18-182 Review Request of Extension for Council File RLH VO 18-51 adopted
October 17, 2018 for an Appeal of Ranjit Bhagyam to a Revocation of
Fire Certificate of Occupancy and Order to Vacate at 2012 COMO
AVENUE.
Sponsors: Jalali Nelson
Ranjit C. Bhagyam, owner, appeared along with Carolyn Brown
Ms. Moermond: you're all working together to complete the repairs; I talked to Metric
Giles, Deputy Director of Community Stabilization Project, on the phone; Carolyn
Brown, you are here working with the landlord; the C of O had been Revoked; & we
were working with new deadlines but that wasn't enough time for contractors to get the
work done
Fire Supervisor Leanna Shaff: as far as we know, nothing has been really done; the
last time I was in there was Nov 15, 2018; in the meantime, we got a new exterior
complaint for trash & debris
-Insp Huseby writes that the electrical inspector issued a No Entry for an inspection
scheduled for Nov 21
Mr. Bhagyam: I honestly did not know that the electrical inspector had the inspection;
we did not know he was coming because the electrician who did the job said that we
had to amend something & we did not know he was coming; Ms. Huseby saw the work
done & she said to leave it open so the elect insp can come & take a look at it; permit
was pulled; work was done & I apologize.....
Ms. Shaff: L & J Electrical, your contractor, must call for inspections according to the
code; trades inspectors don't inspect unless they're called; somebody called & made
the appointment; they didn't just show up there for .....
Ms. Moermond: L & J needs to follow-up & re-connect with the elect insp
Ms. Brown: they went in and added work that needed to be done - #10; so, L & J
added to the permit;
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-question: the basement toilet was leaking & they replaced it but did not know that a
permit needed to be pulled to do that; so, we still need to pull that permit
-the debris in the yard has all bee removed
-the heater that was in the basement has been removed
-all the light fixtures globes will be replaced
Mr. Bhagyam: I need to take care of #5 - I did not know that the fresh air intakes
needed sceen covers
Ms. Brown: we can get that done
-question: does a permit need to be pulled to tighten up bolts on the railing?
Mr. Bhagyam: I understand that we need to put a new strip of wood between the railing
& the wall; now, the gap is 6 inches; needs to be less than 4 inches
Ms. Moermond: I feel comfortable about granting an extension on sofit/fascia repairs
Mr. Bhagyam: Ms. Huseby is coming on Dec 3; I've got everthing taken care of except
one big tote is supposed to be moved but I can't do it along; it will be picked up by a
company
-my fear is that Ms. Huseby keeps adding things & if she comes again & Revokes my
license....
Ms. Brown: we want an extension to the end of Dec 2018 just to be sure
-can the exterior work wait until spring?
-I'll send pictures & the affidavit
Ms. Moermond: I don't see photos of the eaves; I'm inclined to recommend granting
an extension to Jun 1, 2019 for the exterior work (potholes & trim)
-for #7 & #9, we'll say the work doesn't require a permit (guardrail)
-all other items you think will be taken care of by the end of Dec (?)
Ms. Brown: yes; another question: can I provide a receipt for #16 for the purchase of
material as documentation?
Ms. Shaff: it depends; the receipt may not say fire rated 5/8" gypsum board (which is
required)
Ms. Brown: so, what do I need?
Mr. Bhagyam: Ms. Huseby said that I need to have 5/8" & I do have leftovers from the
Kit ceiling, which is done
Ms. Brown: that whole ceiling has been replaced (have receipt)
Ms. Shaff: Insp Huseby wrote re: gypsum board - when we have more than 1 unit, all
those walls between the units need to be fire-rated 5/8" gypsum board, usually that's a
type X; in her Orders, she said that she found sheetrock on Apr 21, 2015 in the lower
level to not be fire-rated for use in multi-family dwellings
Ms. Brown: cover up the fireplace & put up a sign - OK
Ms. Shaff: I'm going to recommend that you insulate up there to reduce the draft
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Mr. Bhagyam: that's a good idea; I can do that
Ms. Moermond: today, we just had the conversation; the reason we handled it this way
is because the Council already gave a deadline; the deadline was blown & so the Dept
goes to enforce what was already a Council decision; so, we didn't have anything fresh
for the Council to look at
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Grant additional extension to January 1, 2019 for work to be done with the exception of
the driveway repair and missing metal trim at eaves which are granted until June 1,
2019.
A new resolution will be in front of City Council on December 12 amending Council File
No. RLH VO 18-51.
Received and Filed
1:30 p.m. Hearings
Fire Certificates of Occupancy
10 RLH FCO Appeal of Lee Thao to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 994
18-197 GALTIER STREET.
Sponsors: Brendmoen
Appeal regarding the use of the basement sleeping room is granted per the building
official; therefore, appeal is withdrawn.
Withdrawn
2:30 p.m. Hearings
Vacant Building Registrations
11 RLH VBR 18-85 Appeal of Jay Mitchell to a Vacant Building Registration Notice,
Revocation of Fire Certificate of Occupancy and Order to Vacate and a
Summary Abatement Order at 1130 BUSH AVENUE.
Sponsors: Prince
Jay Mitchell, contractor, Quality Residences LLC, appeared.
Ms. Moermond: this was LO in order to get the fire inspector out there to verify items
were done so that the Fire C of O could be re-instated in order to be released from the
Vacant Building Program
Fire Supervisor Leanna Shaff: Inspector Thomas & Mr. Mitchell spoke yesterday;
there was an inspection scheduled for this morning; Insp Thomas cleared some time &
Mr. Mitchell did not show up; also, as of yesterday morning, there was no scheduled
appointment to have the plumbing inspected
Ms. Moermond: so, there has been no follow-up inspection since Nov 6, 2018
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Ms. Shaff: correct; well, he tried
Ms. Moermond: Mr. Mitchell, what's going on
Mr. Mitchell: what happened was that I talked to James Thomas yesterday; I had
talked to him before yesterday also; I don't know the exact date; on the previous date,
I told him that we needed to have this inspection; he told me that he mailed out (which
I haven't yet received) a letter that the inspection was scheduled for the 30th; I told him
yesterday that I had this hearing today; I asked if he could get out tomorrow noonish or
something like that because I already had a full schedule myself; he said the only time
he had was 9 am or 9:30 am; I had a previously scheduled thing with my daughter & I
couldn't be there at 9 or 9:30 am; he was very much aware of this; in turn, he asked
can you get notice to them to make sure that I can come in (this was yesterday); I
said, "Yea; I can let them know but I won't be able to make it;" he was totally clear &
aware of this; obviously, he still went which was fine
-as far as the plumbing permit goes, the plumbing contractor because of the holiday &
such before then, was supposed to get it scheduled & it was scheduled to my
understanding, for last Wed, the day before Thanksgiving
Ms. Moermond: the plumbing work or the plumbing inspection?
Mr. Mitchell: the plumbing inspection
-I expected it to be closed out but I found out this morning that it wasn't; the plumbing
inspector didn't even go out; he never went out because the contractor either never
scheduled or never got there to schedule it because I called the inspector himself &
talked to Steve Furland (may be incorrect); he said, "I have an opening; have your
contractor call back;" he didn't call but I wasn't aware of that; I talked to Steve again &
he told me that he couldn't schedule with me because I was not the plumbing
contractor; he could only schedule with him; since then, I've called the plumbing
contractor again & asked him again to please get this scheduled so that I can get this
closed out; the work is done & the permit was pulled
Ms. Moermond: Ms. Vang, can you look in the Fire C of O folder or perhaps, Ms.
Shaff; I'm wondering about this appointment letter that was referenced (?)
Ms. Shaff: I was in the office yesterday; Mr. Mitchell called me & I told him that he
needed to speak to Insp Thomas that I didn't have time to go out there; that was at
8:47 yesterday morning; after that, he spoke to Insp Thomas
Mr. Mitchell: I have a copy of that letter on my phone (showed it to Ms. Moermond)
dated 11-21-18
Ms. Shaff: I see that
Ms. Moermond: there was an email that I understand A.J Neis sent to Insp Thomas
as the time of the hearing on Nov 6, 2018 during the hearing indicating that an
inspection should be scheduled in the following 2 weeks for this particular property; so,
I'm wondering what the communication problem was
-did you call him by the way?
Mr. Mitchell: I did call before yesterday & he told me there was an inspection letter
coming out for the 30th (I didn't have it at the time); I said, "It needs to be before this
hearing date;" he clearly told me, "He was instructed from someone to make sure that
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the inspection happens before today's hearing; but all I have is 9 or 9:30 am;" then, I
made him aware that I just couldn't make it but I did make sure that he could gain
access
Ms. Shaff: it's says on here, "Reinspection is to be done by Dec 3, 2018 per the LH
Officer"
Ms. Moermond: that's not an accurate reflection; but yes, I hear that's what was typed
up in the system
Ms. Shaff: and I wasn't included in the email chain
Mr. Mitchell: I reached out to A.J. who told me to call Ms. Shaff; I did call her; she
instructed me to call Mr. Thomas; I called Mr. Thomas & consequently, he ......
-I talked to Mr. Thomas before last week & he told me the 30th & that I should have
the letter but as you.....
-we were supposed to come back here the 20th; so I talked to him before the week of
the 20th; I know that for sure; he said that there was a new inspection date coming up
-
Ms. Moermond: I'm disappointed in both Mr. Mitchell & Mr. Thomas
-Is Mr. Thomas still available on Nov 30?
-I'll Lay this Over for one more week to Tue, Dec 4, 2018 LH; some fire inspector will
do the inspection; I don't care who
Ms. Shaff: he may have opened up Nov 30; I'm checking; looks like he's filled this Fri
(Nov 30)
-I'm going to make the appointment right now; Inspector Thomas will do a re-inspection
at 1 pm on Mon Dec 3, 2018
Ms. Moermond: the plumber needs to close out that permit; plumbing inspectors are
really booked up
-there is a VB fee waiver; right now, I can't let it out of the VB Program without this
being signed off
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Layover to December 4. (Fire C of O inspection on Dec. 3 @ 1 p.m.; plumbing permit
needs to be finaled by December 4.)
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 12/4/2018
12 RLH VBR 18-92 Appeal of Ben Bump to a Vacant Building Registration Notice at 941
BEECH STREET.
Sponsors: Prince
Rescheduled per owner's request.
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 12/4/2018
13 RLH VBR 18-93 Appeal of Charles Smith to a Vacant Building Registration Fee -
Warning Letter at 673 LEXINGTON PARKWAY SOUTH.
Sponsors: Tolbert
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Charles Smith, CQ Investments, LLC, owner, appeared.
Mr. Smith: CQ Investments, LLC is my son & I
Ms. Moermond: we have a Vacant Building Registration & a Code Compliance
Inspection Report attached
Supervisor Matt Dornfeld, Vacant Buildings: this was Condemned & made a Category
2 VB on Nov 10, 2016; as of Oct 8, 2018, our Sale Review approved the sale to CQ
Investments LLC; there's a current code compliance inspection report on file; we have
active permits, workers are on site, & the property has not been a nuisance; we're here
today to discuss a VB fee that was due Nov 10, 2018
Mr. Smith: when I applied to purchase the residence, I thought they mentioned that
the VB fee wasn't due until next May - that it was good for a year from when they pulled
the code compliance, which wasn't correct because it's due in Nov
-we are about 90% finished with all the code compliance items; I was ready to start
calling inspectors in as soon as the permits were filed & I was told that there were
some repairs that were done between the 2017 code compliance, the 2018 code
compliance- between the banks that I would be responsible for pulling permits on, as
well; I was not even aware that there was a 2017 code compliance report until after I
had talked to the inspector about it; so, I'm trying to figure out the best way to go
about it
-I put a new driveway in; a new roof on it - I'm already about $30,000 in rehab costs
-the yard's cleaned up; exterior is pretty much completed; I have current photos
Ms. Moermond: how long before you think you'll have it squared away?
Mr. Smith: if they're able to pull permits, by the end of December; I'm trying to find out
if I am responsible for the work that was done between the 2 banks (2017 & 2018)
Mr. Dornfeld: I'm a little confused by that; doesn't the most recent code compliance
report supercede anything that was performed in the past?
Ms. Moermond: you would think that if there was work done without permit or that
needed correction, that it would have been in the 2018 code compliance report
Mr. Smith: that's what I was hoping; I talked to Jim Seeger but the plumbing
inspector, Troy (I think), who......
Mr. Dornfeld: I'm confused by the advisement you're getting
Mr. Smith: there was no plumbing work that needed to be done; so, I called to get that
inspection done & then Troy said that there were 20 plumbing items listed on the 2017
code compliance report that apparently, the bank had taken care of & everything on
the 2018 report was taken care of; that's why I was trying to get the inspector out there
to clear that portion of it; that's when I was told that I'd be responsible for what was
done prior to my purchase, which is substantial
Ms. Moermond: which permits are in the system?
Mr. Dornfeld: electrical, building, so far
-Reid Soley put a tickler in the system; they attempted to pull an electrical permit but
it's being held because of the VB fee issue
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Ms. Moermond: let's start by putting a 90-day VB fee waiver in the system so, you've
got a 90-day grace period to pull permits & do work; and if you finish in 90 days, there's
no VB fee at all
-then, I think the bldg official needs to be activated on this plumbing situation; it's not
on the code compliance report; the code comp report lists just 4 items (really 3); you
should be going off the 2018 report, which you've been doing
Mr. Smith: the 2018 report was posted at the property so I was well aware of the
repairs that had to be done
Ms. Moermond: I want to know more from DSI - if that is a mistake in their preparing
this code compl list or what is going on that triggered that statement because it's not
something I've heard before
-I think that it was a mortgage foreclosure; then, it went into the hands of a bank; then,
the mortgage was a Fannie Mae, which is the federal government & they don't have to
pull permits; they don't have to clean the yard or do anything because they're the feds
(?)
-I will call the bldg official & have him look into this
-we will get the VB fee waiver in place; you can pull permits in the morning
Mr. Smith: I'm showing Paul Zellmer (?) on the 2017 printed report; I show Tom
Schwitzer on the 2018 report
Ms. Moermond: you will hear from me or Mai Vang
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Waive VB fee for 90 days and allow permits to be pulled.
Referred to the City Council due back on 12/12/2018
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Agenda
15 West Kellogg Blvd.
City of Saint Paul Saint Paul, MN 55102
Meeting Agenda - Final-revised
Legislative Hearings
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator
Jean Birkholz, Hearing Secretary
legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us
651-266-8585
Tuesday, November 27, 2018 9:00 AM Room 330 City Hall & Court House
9:00 a.m. Hearings
Remove/Repair Orders
1 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at
18-44 931-933 SHERBURNE AVENUE within fifteen (15) days after the October
24, 2018, City Council public hearing.
Sponsors: Thao
2 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 636
18-48 HALL AVENUE within fifteen (15) days after the December 12, 2018, City
Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Noecker
3 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 1232
18-45 SEVENTH STREET EAST within fifteen (15) days after the November 7,
2018 City Council public hearing.
Sponsors: Prince
4 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 2059
18-50 IDAHO AVENUE EAST within fifteen (15) days after the January 2, 2019,
City Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Bostrom
5 RLH RR Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 667
18-51 OHIO STREET within fifteen (15) days after the January 2, 2019, City
Council Public Hearing.
Sponsors: Noecker
11:00 a.m. Hearings
Summary Abatement Orders
6 RLH SAO Appeal of Joann Hardy to a Vehicle Abatement Order at 668 LEXINGTON
18-74 PARKWAY NORTH.
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Sponsors: Thao
Correction Orders
7 RLH CO Appeal of Barbara Brekke to a Correction Notice at 1018 JENKS
18-43 AVENUE EAST.
Sponsors: Bostrom
11:30 a.m. Hearings
Orders To Vacate, Condemnations and Revocations
8 RLH VO Appeal of Attorney MaLeeha Rizwy, Southern Minnesota Regional Legal
18-56 Services on behalf of Peggy Baker to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of
Occupancy and Order to Vacate at 752 CARROLL AVENUE #1.
Sponsors: Thao
9 SR 18-182 Review Request of Extension for Council File RLH VO 18-51 adopted
October 17, 2018 for an Appeal of Ranjit Bhagyam to a Revocation of Fire
Certificate of Occupancy and Order to Vacate adopted at 2012 COMO
AVENUE.
Sponsors: Jalali Nelson
1:30 p.m. Hearings
Fire Certificates of Occupancy
10 RLH FCO Appeal of Lee Thao to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at 994
18-197 GALTIER STREET.
Sponsors: Brendmoen
2:30 p.m. Hearings
Vacant Building Registrations
11 RLH VBR Appeal of Jay Mitchell to a Vacant Building Registration Notice,
18-85 Revocation of Fire Certificate of Occupancy and Order to Vacate and a
Summary Abatement Order at 1130 BUSH AVENUE.
Sponsors: Prince
12 RLH VBR Appeal of Ben Bump to a Vacant Building Registration Notice at 941
18-92 BEECH STREET.
Sponsors: Prince
13 RLH VBR Appeal of Charles Smith to a Vacant Building Registration Fee - Warning
18-93 Letter at 673 LEXINGTON PARKWAY SOUTH.
Sponsors: Tolbert
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