District 3 Advisory Board
Regular MeetingWichita, KS · January 2, 2019
Minutes
District III Advisory Board
Minutes for January 2, 2019
District III Advisory Board
Minutes
January 2, 2019
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The District III Advisory Board meeting was held at 6:30 p.m. at the WATER Center, 101 E.
Pawnee, Wichita, KS 67211. Council Member James Clendenin, eight District Advisory Board
members, seven City staff, and twelve members of the public were present.
Members Present Staff Present
Jared Cerullo Lt. JD Heitman, Wichita Fire Department
David Robbins Firefighter JR Webber, WFD
Ron Tracy Officer Nick Long, Wichita Police Department
Michael Loop Officer Chad Clark, WPD
Gerald Henry Officer Christopher Chrisman, WPD
Paul Davis John D’Angelo, Arts & Cultural Services
Bruce Gass Manager
Catherine Johnson Maddy Campbell, Community Services
Council Member James Clendenin Representative
Members Absent
Cindy Miles
Daisy Olivar
Marco Alcocer
ORDER OF BUSINESS
At 6:30 p.m. Council Member James Clendenin called the meeting to order. The Agenda for the
current meeting was approved. The Minutes for December 5, 2018 were approved.
STAFF REPORTS
1. Police Department
Officer Nick Long shared statistics for 2018 for Patrol East and reported the following:
There was not a significant change in the number of robberies from 2017 to 2018.
The winter months always see an uptick in robberies.
Auto-theft has remained consistent between 2017 and 2018.
Burglaries are significantly down this year and have been dropping for the last four years.
The one crime that is consistently up is aggravated assaults and tied to that, shootings.
WPD recently received new technology, shot sensors, through a grant. The technology will
help pinpoint the location of gunshots and will be used in Districts I and III.
Starting and warming unattended cars remains a big problem for WPD. Stolen cars can
have a bigger impact than just affecting the person whose car is stolen. It leads to car
chases and gives the criminal transportation means to conduct further crimes.
DAB and members of the public asked and made the following questions and comments:
Q (DAB): Do you monitor Facebook or social media for stolen cars?
A: We do check the Marketplace on Facebook.
Q (DAB): Do you work on online scams that steal identities? Do we have a rash of that in this
area?
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A: We have very little to do with it. It gets sent to the federal level. I would not say that we have
any more of it than other parts of the country.
Q (public): In regard to the gunshot sensors, is that specific to gunshots or does it detect any
explosive-type noise?
A: I am not sure of the exact technology, but as it has been explained to me it detects gunshots
and likely uses frequency-detecting technology to differentiate between other loud, explosive
noises.
Q (DAB): In reference to the recent homicide at Seneca & 27th Street, we had around 10 police
officers there for multiple days. Why do we need that many officers there?
A: We like to acknowledge our high clearance rate for homicides. It takes a little more
personnel doing multiple jobs on site to support that high clearance rate.
2. Fire Department
Lt. JD Heitman shared the following:
In December there were two house fires in District III. One was undetermined resulting in
$10,000 in damages and the other was incendiary resulting in $300 in damages.
There were 12 fires city-wide in the month of December.
Smoke detectors are worth their weight in gold. Possessions can be replaced, but family
members cannot.
DAB and members of the public asked and made the following questions and comments:
C (public): Not only are smoke detectors important, but you also need an escape route and
meeting point.
Q (public): You said one of the fires was from an incendiary device. Was it a fireplace?
A: No. They do not know who did it, but someone threw a Molotov cocktail at the home.
Action Taken: Received and filed.
PUBLIC AGENDA
3. Scheduled Items
None
NEW BUSINESS
4. Century II Citizens Committee – Update and Discussion
John D’Angelo (Arts & Cultural Services Manager, City of Wichita) and Mary Beth Jarvis
(President & CEO, Wichita Festivals) presented a PowerPoint to give an update about
Century II and discuss its future with the group. For the past 10 months, 12 citizen volunteers
have worked to understand the needs, aspirations, and options for performing arts in our city
and recommend a path forward. The issues with the 50-year-old performing arts facility include
structural problems, worker safety risks, and functional issues. The committee is weighing the
choices – renovate vs. build new, preserve the round building vs. create more gathering space
for the community, etc. No matter what, this will be a large investment – perhaps $200 million
or more – in the core/river area. The committee will continue to share their findings to both
inform and engage citizens in this pivotal community initiative.
DAB and members of the public asked and made the following questions and comments:
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Q (DAB): Is there an estimate for how much it would cost to remove the asbestos?
A: $13-17 million.
C (public): There are other options for asbestos. You can paint over it.
Q (DAB): What was the building originally built for?
A: Performing arts and conventions. Back in the 1960s and 1970s conventions did not need
large ceilings for their exhibits like they do now.
Q (DAB): Is a parking garage being considered in your discussions?
A: Yes, it is a topic of discussion. There are many good reasons for one. The downside is that if
you want people to add economic vitality to your downtown core, do not build a parking garage
because then people come, park, and leave. They do not stay to eat at a restaurant or shop.
Then there is also the discussion about the popularity of Uber and Lyft.
Q (DAB): Has the old library (located near Century II) been discussed for any future plans?
A: There has been discussion about using the building as a meeting space for the various
groups that will utilize the performing arts and convention facility or facilities.
C (DAB): We need a “wow factor.” We need to sell Wichita. If you can tear down Lawrence
Dumont Stadium, I think you can tear down the old Century II building.
Q (DAB): I cannot imagine Wichita without that building (Century II). The building is the only
thing we have enough room for. We have nowhere to go except over the Arkansas River. What
about truck access and parking? Unless you buy and raze hotels to make room for it, how can
we do it at the same place?
Q (public): Did you say we can build a new performing arts building without tearing down
Century II?
A: It is an option, but what will we do with the Century II building?
C (public): My personal opinion is if you are going to do something there, you need to make it
future-proof, state of the art. It needs to be iconic and cost-effective. I cannot see the City
taking money from other areas/departments within the City to put toward this project.
Q (DAB): This discussion has been centered on the performing arts. Are people from the
convention side represented in your committee?
A: The charter from the City has been for this committee to stay focused on performing arts.
We know what a convention center needs to look like and can explore other options throughout
the city.
A (CM Clendenin): We know the convention and tourism businesses in Wichita support $1
billion of economic activity. That building (Century II), whatever it ends up being, has to support
and grow that industry. We (the City Council) are trying to be very careful that whatever
decision we end up making does not significantly affect our ability to deliver quality of life
amenities all over the city. The economic impact of Century II is considerably important to the
City. Same with the baseball complex. A lot of jobs are supported and created. There is a lot to
factor in when we consider this building. It is not just a building to be used by those who can
afford to see a $75 performing arts show.
A (D’Angelo): When you look at it economically there are three types of businesses in this civic
space: fairs, conventions, and performing arts. Broadway shows are important economic
drivers that bring money into the city and there are certain shows we are not able to run
because of Century II’s (lack of) capabilities. Right now we are leaving about $44 million on the
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table that we cannot capture in the convention business because we cannot compete with
other markets (due to Century II not being equipped to meet the current needs of convention
exhibitions). The City tasked this committee with the performing arts piece, but we must also
consider the other aspects. It will be a bold decision to move this forward because it will require
significant investment. There will be more than one funding source tapped to pay for this.
C (public): We had this discussion back when the Intrust Bank Arena was built and it was
stated Century II would be fine. The City does not invest in maintenance and continues to make
the same mistake of not maintaining and up-keeping their buildings.
A (CM Clendenin): John D’Angelo has not been given as much money as he needs to properly
maintain Century II because the City Council is being careful not to sink too much money into a
building when we do not know what we plan to do with it. Whether that is the right way or not, I
will not debate that. I think when we do build things, we do not build in maintenance costs very
well. There are several examples where we built something and did not take into account
ongoing maintenance and we do not utilize those buildings to their fullest potential because of
that.
Q (DAB): Is it the committee’s sentiment that the Century II building be torn down completely?
A: There are few things we are unanimous about. There is no point in pretending there is a
small option here. If you are going to do a substantial project, do it with an eye for distinction.
Any scenario we would support keeps our performing arts organizations alive. It is very clear if
we make them go dark for a year or two or three while their space is being redone, we will kill
them.
Q (DAB): Are there any studies that have been done that show what we are missing by not
having modern facilities? There are two things in my mind that are important to advance our
community from the “biggest little city” to a “big city” and public arts and entertainment are
those things. Is there anything to tell the community what we are missing out on by not bringing
in modern facilities?
A: We actually have a solid base of understanding that we need to change and modern
facilities are needed. There are lots of facts we found, studies that surprised us, and
transformation stories from other cities that have been heartening. I do not want to oversimply
it, but we will continue to pass on facts. The facts that have been aired to date have convinced
people change needs to happen.
Q (DAB): What other cities have co-located performing arts with convention centers? Would
performing arts in a stand-alone facility work better?
A: There are few cities that co-locate the two under one roof. Cohabitation does not work well
because the needs are so different. There is still a large number of cities that locate performing
arts and convention facilities adjacently though. The idea is to use the performing arts space as
part of the convention. There are multiple conventions that would make use of both facilities.
Do they need to actually be connected? Probably not. In 1969 it made a lot of sense for them to
be connected. Today, it probably is not the way we need to be thinking in terms of the space.
Q (DAB): How many hotel beds do we have in the area that would support thousands of
participants?
A: When we have conventions, it fills up every hotel downtown. There is plenty of bed space
though. Our hotel supply is outpacing the demand.
A (CM Clendenin): In 2017 we were at an average of 58% occupancy any given day throughout
the city.
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Q (DAB): One of my biggest issues with Intrust Bank Arena is that the seats are 12 inches
wide. Are we going to have small seats in this building?
A: We are not into any type of design. What we know is that we need 2,200 seats in our
performing arts building.
C (DAB): Our new airport is a beautiful example of the type of innovative facility we would like
to see. We are talking hundreds of millions of dollars to make anything “pop.”
A: As the Mayor said, if we had $500 million we could get what we want. We need a plan that
creates a transparent path from funding to execution and one that creates accountability. We
have looked at other cities who have created accountability in these types of projects. How do
you have vision without it turning into an irresponsibly handled blank check? We are trying to
find an approach that tax payers can believe in. There are ways to do this that can be
distinctive and smart without ballooning finances.
Q (public): What other cities have you examined for ideas?
A: We have looked at the Kauffman Center in Kansas City and at Pittsburg. The city we have
looked at the most closely with regard to the “how” is Oklahoma City.
Q (public): Can performing arts sustain itself?
A: Century II is subsidized right now. There is an economic benefit you need to factor into that
though, so you can see a return on your dollars. Around 30-40 percent of our performing arts
audience come from out of town. Yes, you are subsidizing it, but you are getting back in other
ways. Performing arts supports about 3,000 jobs as well.
C (public): There are numerous things that need to be considered for how to bring this together
on a large scale, such as flight prices.
A: Our airport staff does very well in recruiting affordable airlines and routes to our city.
Q (DAB): Are there any kind of private/public partnerships that have been considered for the
performing arts?
A (CM Clendenin): Yes, a lot of partnerships have been looked at. I will tell you that a lot of
times when the City tries to do a public/private partnership there are accusations about
unethical financial gains. How much private versus public we want to be involved is being
considered
A: Because of the nature of the performing arts business, there is not a developer that is going
to make money operating our performing arts facility. The public/private partnership is about
getting people (businesses) to write checks because they love it and want to be a part of
something great. I think there is the opportunity to have private contribution to a public asset. It
is not going to be a public/private partnership where someone gets a “share of the take.”
Q (public): The City Council has done an excellent job handing out incentives to a lot of
industries. Any hope we can call in favors? We should appeal to the businesses that have
received tax breaks to help with this quality of life project.
A (CM Clendenin): When the Council votes to support a tax break, we have Return of
Investment requirements. These companies are providing jobs to our residents, boosting our
local economy, and giving significantly to local charities. I see Spirit, Cessna, Westar (now
called Evergy), Cargill, and these other bigger corporations that receive those tax benefits give
a tremendous amount back to the City of Wichita through sponsorships and charity and they
often do so without announcement. One of the things we will talk about is naming rights. There
is controversy around that though.
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A: Naftzger Park will be a million dollars cooler because of Westar (Evergy). Exploration Place
is another perfect example in regard to the Spirit, Cessna, and Koch exhibits. There are
opportunities for those companies that see value in quality of life to step up and be a part of
this—we just need to give them something to believe in.
Action Taken: Received and filed.
PUBLIC AGENDA
5. Off-Agenda Items
None
BOARD AGENDA
6. Updates, Issues, Reports
CM Clendenin reported on the status of the Starlite Drive-in and shared that there has been
some misunderstanding about the City’s role in loaning money to the new operator. CM
Clendenin provided a $200,000 loan (from his Hyatt funds) to facilitate the closing of the deal
that kept the theater operational and said without the loan the deal would not have closed. He
reiterated that he has reviewed the books for the Starlite Drive-in and the theater has always
been well-supported and has not lost money (at least in the last decade). He shared that prior
to loaning the money he had knowledge of there being $50,000 in community pledges and a
substantial financial gift being given to the drive-in. The loan will be paid back with interest
within five years and the money will be reinvested into District III, possibly to support future
Clapp projects. CM Clendenin told the group he is confident in his decision and understands
general concerns about City government playing a financial role in the private business sector.
He felt that given the history that led to the current state of the Starlite Drive-in, the theater’s
presence as a historical quality of life amenity, and the established financial safeguards that it
was in the best interest of the City and community to provide the loan to keep Starlite Drive-in
open and running.
CM Clendenin also shared that the kick-off meeting for the Clapp Transformation Committee
will be held next week on January 7 at City Hall. While this first meeting is open to the public for
viewing, there will be no public input or discussion. The community will be invited to participate
in discussion at future meetings throughout the community that will take place throughout the
year.
7. Adjournment
Meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m.
The next District III Advisory Board meeting will be held at 6:30 p.m., Feb. 6, 2019 at the
WATER Center, 101 E. Pawnee, Wichita, KS 67211.
Guests
Jerry Croley John Stevens Richard Ruth
Vernie Wollard Debra Miller Stevens Lauren Hirsh
Sheri Johnson Charles Myers
Lonny Wright Mary Beth Jarvis
Respectfully submitted,
Maddy Campbell, Community Services Representative, District III
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AGENDA
January 2, 2019 Wichita Water Center
6:30 p.m. 101 E. Pawnee
Wichita, KS 67211
ORDER OF BUSINESS
Call to Order
Approval of Agenda for Jan. 2, 2019
Approval of Minutes for Dec. 5, 2018
STAFF REPORTS
1. Police
2. Fire
Recommended Action: Receive and file.
PUBLIC AGENDA
3. None
NEW BUSINESS
4. Century II Citizens Committee – Update and Discussion
John D’Angelo (Arts & Cultural Services Manager, City of Wichita) and two committee members,
Matt Michaelis (Chairman, President & CEO, Emprise Bank) and Aaron Bastian (President,
Fidelity Bank), will engage the group in an update and discussion about Century II and its future. For the
past 10 months, 12 citizen volunteers have worked to understand the needs, aspirations, and options for
performing arts in our city and recommend a path forward. The issues with the 50-year-old performing
arts facility include structural problems, worker safety risks, and functional issues. The committee is
weighing the choices – renovate vs. build new, preserve the round building vs. create more gathering
space for the community, etc. No matter what, this will be a large investment – perhaps $200 million or
more – in the core/river area. The committee will discuss its findings to date, hoping to both inform and
engage citizens in this pivotal community initiative.
Recommended Action: Receive and file.
PUBLIC AGENDA
5. Off-agenda Items
Any individual present that did not request to speak on the public agenda prior to the meeting may speak
at this time.
Recommended Action: Receive and file.
BOARD AGENDA
6. Updates, Issues, and Reports
Reports from the Council Member and District Advisory Board Members on any activities, events, or
concerns in the neighborhoods and/or Council District.
Recommended Action: Provide comments/take appropriate action.
7. Adjournment
The next District III Advisory Board Meeting will be 6:30 p.m. on February 6, 2019, at The WATER
Center, 101 E. Pawnee, Wichita, KS 67211.