Golf Board of Governors
Regular MeetingWichita, KS · June 19, 2018
Minutes
Golf Committee Special Meeting
June 19, 2018 at 4pm
City Hall, 11th floor
Park Department Conference Room
455 N. Main
Wichita, KS 67202
Members: Hoyt Hillman, President, Chair, Thomas West, District II, Cindy Renard, District III, Cory
Rainwater, District IV, Richard Schodorf, District V, Shana Appelhanz, Troy Hendricks, Michelle Haun,
Troy Houtman, Eddie Fahnestock
Absent: Greg Ferris, At-Large, Dr. Michael Williams, District 1, Debbie Burch, District VI
Public Agenda
Regular Agenda Items
Golf Sustainability Report
Houtman stated that we are here to discuss the Golf Sustainability Report that was handed out last
week. Our goal is to gain the committee’s support with the recommendation in the report.
Hillman asked when the recommendation will go to Council.
Houtman stated sooner than later. The longer we wait, the greater the deficit becomes. We are
owing other departments more and more. The next Park Board meeting will be July 10.
West stated that there was not a lot of data showing total number of golfing public versus the total
number of courses in Wichita. Looking at closing one public course is good, but there should be a
private course to close as well.
Hillman asked if there was any data pertaining to this.
Hendricks stated that there is information in the appendix. The Business Journal compiles a report
of this nature. But their numbers always look similar and are rounded off. Very few courses provide
accurate numbers to the public. The PGA used to.
Schodorf stated that private courses do not want anyone to know how poorly they are doing.
West stated that area demographics are not provided in this report either.
Houtman stated that this report was assembled based only on financial information and five specific
criteria that was reliable. The information is factual and researched.
Rainwater stated that the report did a good job of comparing our five courses on a level playing field.
Schodorf stated that he thought the report was excellent.
Houtman stated that with resources and political backing we would make huge improvements to our
system. But we are not getting that. This is a great first step in the right direction to managing our
finances. We can’t continue to operate in the red.
Renard asked for a timeline.
Houtman stated as soon as possible.
Renard asked how much Auburn Hills cost when it was opened.
Hendricks stated $12 million.
Renard pointed out that the numbers the report shows on page 19, regarding LW Clapp, is different
than the numbers on the conclusion.
Rainwater asked if anyone is opposed to the conclusion of the report.
Hillman stated that as a representative of District III, on the Park Board, he understands the need for
the closure, but sees this as a huge step backwards in terms of amenities for District III.
Renard stated that if we lose LW Clapp, we will lose specific golfing markets.
Schodorf asked if we can accommodate the LW Clapp golfers at MacDonald.
Hillman stated that we will never be able to pay off the debt that was incurred by building Auburn
Hills. Closing LW Clapp will give the remaining courses the opportunity to stand on their own.
Houtman stated the revenues from closing LW Clapp will go into redevelopment of the property and
not into the golf fund.
Hendricks stated that there are a few questions that we need to as: who supports the staff
recommendation to close LW Clapp, should there be community engagement, as a committee
member will you participate in the engagement.
Hillman stated that the committee can make a motion on the recommendation. As for the
community engagement, the committee has supported this and previously asked for it.
Houtman stated that what we need from the committee is a vote whether or not to support the
recommendation. Regarding the community engagement, we will not be asking questions of the
community, we will be informing them and providing them the data to support the closing. We will
need the committee to be represented during the community engagement.
Hillman stated that there will be some corrections that need to be made to the report.
Schodorf made the motion to present the recommendation as amended to the Park Board. The Golf
Advisory Committee recommends the report as presented with corrections.
West second.
Hillman asked who is in favor. Rainwater, West and Schodorf raised their hands. He asked who
was opposed. Renard and Hillman, raised their hands.
Motion to recommend the report to the Park Board was approved 3-2.
West stated that going forward we should look at creating a 6 or 9 hole golf course that could
support itself, possibly owned by a 3rd party. He stated that he would be willing to be involved with
redevelopment of that property to grow the game of golf.
Houtman stated that we need to be concerned about direct competition if the property remains a golf
course.
Hillman asked if we could look at a Top Golf type of facility, outside of the enterprise fund.
Houtman stated that there are other investors looking to do something like that around Wichita.
Once the course actually closes, we will be able to start looking at what we can do. It is important
that we take the first step now so that we can make the Division sustainable and avoid closing all the
courses.
Schodorf stated that years ago when we looked at improving LW Clapp, the votes came back that
citizens and golfers wanted it to stay the way it was. Our community as a whole does not like
change.
Hendricks stated that he wanted to provide a quick update on course conditions. Looking at Flint
Hills there are some dying greens and issues with winter kill. Wichita Country Club has done some
resodding due to winter kill. Crestview has large areas of winter kill as well. Our courses have been
suffering, but are still doing well in comparison.
Next Meeting July 24, 2018
Agenda
Golf Committee Meeting
June 19, 2018 at 4pm
City Hall, 11th floor
Park Department Conference Room
455 N. Main
Wichita, KS 67202
Members: Hoyt Hillman, President, Chair, Greg Ferris, At-Large, Dr. Michael Williams,
District 1, Thomas West, District II, Cindy Renard, District III, Cory Rainwater, District IV,
Richard Schodorf, District V, Debbie Burch, District VI
Public Agenda
Regular Agenda Items
Golf Sustainability Report
Next Meeting July 24, 2018