LICENSES COMMITTEE
Regular MeetingMilwaukee, WI · November 6, 2013
Minutes
City Hall
City of Milwaukee 200 East Wells Street
Milwaukee, WI 53202
Meeting Minutes
LICENSES COMMITTEE
ALD. T. ANTHONY ZIELINSKI, CHAIR
Ald. Milele A. Coggs, Vice-Chair
Ald. Nik Kovac, Ald. Joseph Dudzik, and Ald. Jose Perez
Staff Assistant, Linda Elmer, 286-2231
Fax: 286-3456, lelmer@milwaukee.gov
Legislative Liaison, Teodros Medhin, 286-8681,
tmedhi@milwaukee.gov
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:00 AM City Hall, Room 301-B
Special
1. 130768 Motion relating to the recommendations of the Licenses Committee
relative to licenses.
Sponsors: THE CHAIR
Meeting convened: 9:12 A.M.
Ald. Kovac arrived at 9:16 A.M.
Ald. Coggs arrived at 9:23 A.M.
KRAHN, Scott A, Agent for "Six Star Holdings, LLC", Class B Tavern, Food Dealer,
and Public Entertainment Premises License Applications Requesting Disc Jockey ,
Dancing by Performers, Adult Entertainment/Strippers/Erotic Dance, Patron
Contests, and Patrons Dancing for "Silk Exotic" at 730 N Old World Third St.
Atty. Michael Whitcomb for the applicant
Atty. Jeff Scott Olson also present for the applicant
Sarah Crandall - legal expert
John Ferraro - appearing on behalf of the applicant and is a principal in the
operations.
Ald. Bauman also at the table - this hearing was very similar to the previous hearings,
except with the addition of the human trafficking concerns. He has never had as
many citizen opponents from one building as occurred today for 720 N. Old World
Third St. He thinks that the land-use is not compatible with the development plans for
the Wisconsin Avenue corridor and he again recommends against granting this
license. He does not think if this establishment were there it would create no adverse
secondary effects, but would have an adverse real estate impact. He would have no
objection at a different location in downtown Milwaukee.
Atty. Whitcomb is concerned that letters objecting to this application were included as
part of the notice and are part of the record and the fact that these letters are
anonymous because of staff redaction.
Reggie Belanger - 252 E. Highland Ave. - agent and management company of the
building adjacent to the proposed site at 720 Old World Third St ( Grand Avenue
Apartments). He testified that an employee did post the flyer noting that a $100 rent
credit would be applied for any tenants who appeared and testified. The flyer, noted
Ald. Dudzik, does specifiy what the tenants should be testifying to. Mr. Belanger said
that any testimony, either pro or con, as irrelevant - the rent credit would be applied
for any testimony to compensate the testifier for lost work time. Make flyer provided
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by Mr. Belanger part of the record, by Ald. Coggs. Prevailed. 5-0 (Exhibit 1)
Opponents:
Taylor Imm - 720 N. Old World Third St.
Tyler Leverington - 720 N. Old World Third St. - foot traffic, previously lived by a
similar venue.
Steve Chernof - Shorewood - works at 780 N. Water St. - would be detrimental to
efforts to attract families and retailers to the area. He' s a member of a Wisconsin
Avenue area development group. He was asked to make this objection on behalf of
this group (WAMDC)
Clayton Davis - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with previous speakers,
concerned about noise, his fiancee works late hours and he's concerned about her
safety and will probably have to move out.
Ald. Kovac moves to amend the plan of operation to provide escort service to any
occupant of 720 N. Old World Third Street who parks within 1-2 blocks of the
establishment and requests this service. Prevailed. 5-0
Greg Schram - 720 N. Old World St. - agrees with previous testimony and had friends
who lived near a strip club and the elderly people whom he works with won't be
comfortable around a strip club.
Reggie Belanger - will be hard to retain tenants, particularly women and impede
revitalization and he engaged an appraiser to give his opinion on how real estate
values would be affected by the addition of a strip club.
Make report provided by Mr. Belanger part of the record, by Ald. Perez. Prevailed.
5-0 (Exhibit 2)
Make study on same topic provided by Atty. Whitcomb part of the record, by Ald.
Perez. Prevailed. 5-0 (Exhibit 3)
Megan Westra - 2528 N. 45th St. - believes it will add to human trafficking.
Steve Looft - 600 E Wells St. - Economic Development Director for BID 5 - young
people are moving downtown and feel that this would impede development
Steve Miracle - 720 N. Old World Third St. - thinks the notice in the building (Exhibit
1) is 100% true and concerned about noise on the weekends.
Scott McIntosh - 5717 W. Wells St. in Wauwatosa - fears increased human
trafficking
Joe Weirick - part of the Wisconsin Avenue business group with Mr. Chernof - the
main entrance to the parking garage that he owns is directly opposite the main
entrance to the proposed strip club. Hard to find office tenants willing to have a strip
club across the street.
Ben Westra - 2528 N. 45th St. - children's pastor at a local church, he's concerned
that a lot of kids like to go downtown and he brings children downtown.
Cordelia Bryant - 3385 N. 45th St. - was executive director of African World Festival
and works a couple blocks away from the proposed site. Agrees with the previous
speakers and concerned about overconcentration (13 strip clubs in the Milwaukee
area or greater Milwaukee area - 7 of them 5 miles away from the current site).
Allison Eggers - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with previous speakers and her
windows face directly into the alleyway between the two buildings, so she's
concerned about noise and taking her dog out through that alleyway. She also
comes home late in the evening and would probably move if the strip club were to
open at this location.
Debby Tomczyk - 1000 N. Water St. - attorney and the legal counsel for BID 21 -
asked to address legal issues and the committee is free to reject this application and
consider the secondary effects of the proposed establishment.
RECESS: 11:02 A.M.
RECONVENE: 11:13 A.M.
Angela Deumani - 235 W. Wisconsin Ave. - also a member of WAMDC, would add to
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the perception that this area isn't safe.
Chuck Allisen - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with previous speakers relating to
safety, parking and loitering.
Mark Hollaar - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with his fellow apartment
residents, but also concerned about safety for the late hours he has to take out his
dog.
Joseph Laur, Jr. - 1243 N. 10th St. - represents office property in the downtown area
and the proposed establishment would decrease real estate values.
Stacy Callies - Westown Association is opposed to this application as negatively
impact the nearby property values.
DJ Berry - 720 N. Old World Third St. - he's a student at Marquette who doesn't want
to live next to a strip club.
Martha Love - 1846 W. Cherry St. - member of the Human Trafficking Task Force of
Greater Milwaukee and survivors of human trafficking and domestic violence victims
note that sex clubs serve as gateways to human trafficking.
Chinwe "Chi Chi" Oraka - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with previous speakers
and she has gone to Silk in the past and it's very loud with a lot of people spilling into
the street.
Janet Miller - 720 N. Old World Third St. - opposed to any business that exploits
women and fears increased traffic and illegal parking and there are also two
treatment centers for women involved in prostitution within a few blocks of the
proposed site.
Dana World-Patterson - 356 N. 47th St. - Chair of Human Trafficking Task Force of
Greater Milwaukee and opposes another entertainment on the backs of our women
and our girls being opened in the city of Milwaukee.
Beth Weirick - 600 E. Wells St. - Executive Director of BID 21 - here for the third time
to propose this application downtown as it's in conflict with the downtown plan. The
secondary impacts will diminish the downtown area.
John Hennessy - 831 W. Wisconsin Ave. (owns that building) - fears the
establishment doesn't fit in with the neighborhood they are trying to create
Emily Krause - 720 N. Old World Third St. - would move out if the establishment
becomes a reality next door.
Sara Beth Lewis - speaking on her behalf, but her testimony may draw upon her
experience as an Assistant District Attorney, concerned about increased littering,
congestion and decreasing property value and people who are prostituted may be
illegally dancing in these clubs as well as pimping activities occurring as well.
Mary Jane Jorgensen - 1260 N. Prospect, #706 - concerned about what happens in
strip clubs, volunteers at the Riverside Theatre and concerned about her personal
safety
Alexander Valley - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with the previous speakers
Katie Gerth - 720 N. Old World Third St. - concerned as a young female and a young
professional and would be moving if the proposed establishment came into existence.
Casey Hasenstein - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with the previous speakers
and is concerned about potential additional noise and personal safety.
Lindsey Wicker - 720 N. Old World Third St. - agrees with previous speaker and also
a dog owner concerned about her safety.
Eva Epperson - 1129 N. Jackson St. - shops downtown frequently, takes away the
focus of the family as the husband frequents these places and ignores his family.
RECESS: 12:20 P.M.
RECONVENE: 1:01 P.M.
Supporters:
Chaz Hastings -- 11310 Silver Spring Rd. - owner of Milwaukee Harley Davidson,
which shares a parking lot with Silk and he's had a great experience working with Silk
and he's seen no financial repercussions to his business based upon its proximity to
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Silk. Make letter from Charles Hastings part of the record, by Ald. Perez. Prevailed.
5-0 (Exhibit 4)
Rick Grainger - 10532 W. Rae Ave. - Silk patron for the last 10 years and has lived
within a half-mile of Silk for the past 20 years. Establishment is always clean and the
business is contained within Silk. Many employees use Silk as a stepping stone to
finance other careers.
Craig Ploetz - W168N11062 Ashbury Circle, #3, Germantown - co-owner of Silk
Exotic - the business is respectably run and protects its female employees and 30%
of their business is bachlorette parties. They have 75 cameras in the establishment,
including outside, security personnel on the floor and bathroom attendants to ensure
the girls are not being touched inappropriately.
Brandon Keirns - 106 Seeboth - supports the application and he supported Satin
when it was proposed, which would have been two blocks from hs house.
Mark Hoppe - 100 Main Street, Waukesha - the establishment owners have a great
track record of operation.
Brian Ward - 543 Frasier St., Fredonia - he owns Ward's House of Prime and John
Hawks Pub - would provide adult entertainment for his customers following visiting
his establishments. 98% of his establishments' customers are family-oriented while
2% are young, singles out for a good time.
Nicole O'Leary - 212 S. Barclay - bartender on Milwaukee Street and a steak house
(Carnivore), many customers ask her where a good strip club is and she would send
them to Silk as the high-end club. She has been to Silk and she feels safer at Silk
than at many downtown bars.
Alberto Gonzalez - 222 S. 3rd St. - employed as security by Silk. There are high
standards for the security staff and they turn away a lot of customers who are in suits
because of their poor attitutudes. There's a 16-week training course before a person
works the floor alone.
Leland Guk - 133 W. Oregon St. - they treat their license as a privilege rather than a
right and an operating business at this location is better than an empty building and it
increases employment. He worked for the applicant six years ago. He owns multiple
taverns and properties.
Joel Harris - 4029 N. Newhall, Shorewood - agrees with the previous speaker, he has
owned and managed bars downtown over the past 10 years. He also does not want
to refer his customers to the existing downtown gentlemen's clubs, so he refers them
to Silk.
Shane Kowal - 734 N. Old World Third St. - a benefit to the community and the area
where he lives as there will be additional security and they will spend $1 milllon on
renovating the building.
Ashley Torn - 222 S. 3rd St. - worked at Silk as a cocktail waitress and feels very
safe, likes her bosses and is treated with respect.
David Weir - 2602 E. Newberry Blvd. - agrees with the previous speakers and also
thinks that Silk will be a good tenant. He thinks it will increase business in the area.
Jessica Chakris - 2129 S. 111th St., West Allis - employed by Silk and finds it a
high-clas establishment. She has worked at other strip clubs and finds this
establishment safer and better than others.
Ronnie Green - 1101 N. Market St. - agrees with the previous speakers; he runs a
business incubator program in downtown Milwaukee. Mr. Ferraro is a good business
operator and he would suggest that he act as a mentor for those wishing to get into
the bar/nightclub/strip club operation.
Michael Parker, II - 133 W. Oregon - he works for the applicant as a DJ and
bartender and working for the applicants was a complete and utter pleasure and led
to the career he currently has as a DJ.
Anna Slaber - 1444 S. 70th St. - a customer at Silk who goes there regularly
Drew Roberts - 734 Old World Third St. - resident and former business owner on
Wisconsin Avenue until this summer. He thinks everyone should have a chance to
start a business.
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Make sign-in sheets part of the record, by Ald. Perez. Prevailed. 5-0 (Exhibit 5)
RECESS: 2:40 P.M.
RECONVENE: 2:50 P.M.
Make proposed plan and business proposal provided by Mr. Ferraro part of the
record, by Ald. Kovac. Prevailed. 5-0 (Exhibit 6)
Make letter from Ricky Lea, owner of Luxury Valet part of the record relating to
parking lots to be used by Silk, by Ald. Kovac. Prevailed. 5-0 (Exhibit 7)
Deny, based on neighborhood and aldermanic testimony, by Ald. Kovac. Prevailed.
5-0
Total hearing time: 6 hours.
Meeting adjourned: 3:32 P.M.
Linda M. Elmer
Staff Assistant
A motion was made by ALD. COGGS that this Motion be HELD TO CALL OF
THE CHAIR. This motion PREVAILED by the following vote:
Aye 5- Zielinski, Coggs, Kovac, Dudzik and Perez
No 0
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Agenda
City Hall
City of Milwaukee 200 East Wells Street
Milwaukee, WI 53202
Meeting Agenda
LICENSES COMMITTEE
ALD. T. ANTHONY ZIELINSKI, CHAIR
Ald. Milele A. Coggs, Vice-Chair
Ald. Nik Kovac, Ald. Joseph Dudzik, and Ald. Jose Perez
Staff Assistant, Linda Elmer, 286-2231
Fax: 286-3456, lelmer@milwaukee.gov
Legislative Liaison, Teodros Medhin, 286-8681,
tmedhi@milwaukee.gov
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:00 AM City Hall, Room 301-B
Special
1. 130768 Motion relating to the recommendations of the Licenses Committee
relative to licenses.
Sponsors: THE CHAIR
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This meeting will be webcast live at www.milwaukee.gov/channel25.
Common Council members who are not members of this committee may attend this meeting to
participate or to gather information. This meeting may constitute a meeting of the Common
Council or any of its standing committees although no formal action will be taken at this meeting.
Upon reasonable notice, efforts will be made to accommodate the needs of persons with
disabilities through sign language interpreters or auxiliary aids. For assistance contact the
Legislative Services ADA Coordinator at 286-2998, (FAX)286-3456, (TDD)286-2025 or by writing
to Room 205, City Hall, 200 E. Wells Street, Milwaukee, WI 53202.
Parking for persons attending City Hall meetings is available at reduced rates (5 hour limit) at
the Milwaukee Center (southwest corner of E. Kilbourn Ave. and N. Water St.) Parking tickets
must be validated in Room 205, (City Clerk's Office) or the first floor Information Booth in City
Hall.
Persons engaged in lobbying as defined in s. 305-43-4 of the Milwaukee Code are required to
register with the City Clerk's License Division. Lobbyists appearing before a Common Council
committee are required to identify themselves as such. More information is available at
www.milwaukee.gov/lobby.
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