Aldermen, Board of
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · June 24, 2014
Minutes
A regular meeting of the Board of Aldermen was held Tuesday, June 24, 2014, at 7:30 p.m. in the
Aldermanic Chamber.
President David W. Deane presided; City Clerk Paul R. Bergeron recorded.
Prayer was offered by City Clerk Paul R. Bergeron; Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess led in the Pledge
to the Flag.
The roll call was taken with 14 members of the Board of Aldermen present; Alderman Caron was recorded
absent.
Mayor Donnalee Lozeau was recorded absent; Corporation Counsel Stephen M. Bennett was also in
attendance.
REMARKS BY THE MAYOR – None
RESPONSE TO REMARKS OF THE MAYOR – None
RECOGNITION PERIOD – None
READING MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS
MOTION BY ALDERMAN McCARTHY THAT THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN
MEETINGS OF JUNE 3, 2014, AND JUNE 10, 2014, AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS CONDUCTED
BY THE BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE ON JUNE 9, 2014, AND THE COMMITTEE ON
INFRASTRUCTURE OF JUNE 11, 2014, BE ACCEPTED, PLACED ON FILE AND THE READINGS
SUSPENDED
MOTION CARRIED
COMMUNICATIONS
MOTION BY ALDERMAN MORIARTY THAT ALL COMMUNICATIONS BE READ BY TITLE ONLY
MOTION CARRIED
From: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Re: Contract Award for Transit Service Operations with First Transit
MOTION BY ALDERMAN MORIARTY TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AWARD THE FIVE-YEAR
CONTRACT TO FIRST TRANSIT IN THE AMOUNT OF $7,900,596
MOTION CARRIED
PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO ITEMS EXPECTED TO BE ACTED
UPON THIS EVENING
Ms. Tracy Pappas, 12 Swart Terrace
I thought long and hard as to whether I should come tonight. I know people are sick and tired about
hearing about Greeley Park and I think that’s why we have a lack of planning there. Things happened
and then it’s really about a good neighbor issue. People get tired of hearing about it but the project
keeps going and the neighbors are the ones who suffer the consequences. I would like to go into why I
believe this became such a divisive issue. In my opinion, it became a divisive issue because the Chair
of the Public Works promised something that she couldn’t promise. I know you folks have listened to
this and if there’s any public official that has heard about this for an incredibly long period of time, it’s
me. From the get go, when it was in front of Public Works, I knew it was about Greeley Park. I listened
and I was polite. There were times that I have not been particularly polite about the issue and not
particularly proud of my behavior but as soon as I realized this was an issue about Greeley Park, I said
this needs to go in front of the Board of Aldermen. I said that for quite some time but I didn’t have the
votes on my Public Works Board. We are people of our word. We believe that when the study was
done, we thought that was so important. For months we had been talking this empty playground that
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really meant a lot and it was well used. The other problem with this issue was that our former Ward 3
Alderman, from the get go, was pushing for this playground to be in Greeley Park. She said that it was
very unsafe, it’s never used, and I’m out there counting cars and no one is going there. Everyone at City
Hall got sick of it; I think including Corporation Counsel I know when Mr. Murphy had asked questions
about who was going to be there, it was said that it’s just a playground, what’s the big deal. I get that
that is what people felt but it was a piece of history. When it was evident to me that that group wanted
Greeley Park, I said take the east side. Great, I’m a person of my word and that’s fine. The only thing I
will say that a lot of people said they didn’t want hear, and I think it’s extremely important that someone
from the neighborhood be involved in planning this. It’s a fairly narrow area and I think Jennifer from the
Institute had said that we do need a buffer. I think at some point someone had said the city was going to
be responsible for the buffer. I suggest some of you folks go take a look at the east side of Greeley
Park. At one point, I was promised a buffer; four very sad looking trees that were half dead that weren’t
planted properly. The other big issue, and it may not sound like a big issue to you, but it is to us, is
access to the power lines. We have our power lines there and there are maybe 15 of us on that power
grid. Whenever public service hears Swart Terrace, there’s dead silence on their radio and one of the
older guys will go ahead and show up. When we have those big power outages, as it should be, people
who are on the biggest grids get the first service. Our grid is very difficult to deal with so it might not
sound like a big deal but yet, if we have these big power outages or even little ones, I won’t be calling
you folks up and asking you if you will take in my loud family, my loud self and my loud dog because we
don’t have power. That is my main issue; we are people of our word. The other thing I ask is that if you
do take that east side, it has to be married with getting an expert to plan it because that can be sticky.
It’s narrow, we need a decent buffer, and there needs to be access to the power lines to both fix the
power and then on a regular basis, tree companies need to cut down. I get that you folks have a lot of
city business to do and that’s not a big deal but think about what a big deal it is to have power. When
the power goes out, it’s a big deal to us. I would personally like to thank my current Board Alderman
who has really been a gentleman in this, everyone here who has listened, the Chair of the Infrastructure
Committee, the Board President, and all of you who have listened. I get that you have had it up to here.
Remember, there might not be a lot of us but little things like power are kind of an issue. Think of how
you felt when you didn’t have power and imagine that you were on the bottom of the list for your power
to be fixed. That was a major concern of mine. I thank everyone for their attention on this issue and I
thank all of the people.
Mr. Bob Burgess, 32 Bates Drive
I think we can go back in history as far as Highland Springs on Beauview Avenue. My folks owned that
building back in the early 40’s and I lived in that area more or less all of my life. If we look at the west
side coming in at Charlotte Avenue, there used to be a dirt road that ran right along the perimeter of all
those hills in there. Greeley Park is all roped off because of some fancy activity that’s taken place but
there’s a dirt road that used to come out the Milk and Hillside Drive in the old days. It’s a beautiful area
to walk through. On the top of the hill there was a log cabin. Back in those days we used to have
porches all the way around and there was a lookout tower on the front lawn that was there previously
before my parents purchased it. We moved out of there in 1949 but many memories still last of that area
of Greeley Park. To me, it’s not over until the shovel goes in the ground. As we look at R-14-042, it
states “whereas the IHCD was hired and has completed an assessment of possible locations for the
playground and has recommended the east side of Greeley Park on the south side of the access road.”
If you look at that study that came back, they gave six or seven different sites. This was their number
one site but that didn’t mean that the playground couldn’t go somewhere else like the Four Corners. The
site that we are talking about is approximately 100 feet from the band shell. You people have a special
account to renovate the band shell. If we have to expand the bathrooms and this is 100 feet from that
band shell, there’s no quiet there for the youngsters. How safe is it when you have hundreds of people
and we all know that abductions happen. God forsake nothing happens. We all know at the base of
those ball fields down in the woods and I know what goes on in there. I was driving by the site tonight
and the cars were backed up all the way to the softball field and this is probably one of the quietest
nights of the week. Going along with this, I really don’t think this is the site for the safety and I think we
need a study of Greeley Park and really see what we want to go in there. We are talking about 12,000
square feet, that’s a good size house lot. I’ve got nothing against the handicapped, they are beautiful
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kids, the parents, and I give them credit with all they have to go through in taking care of these
youngsters. I think the majority of them do a commendable job. I worked part-time at one of the schools
in Milford and I saw how much work these kids are but I don’t really think that this is the site to put this
merry-go-round in the middle of a nice, quiet park. Like I stated before and I stuck my neck out, if it has
to go in Greeley Park, let’s put it where the existing playground is. We got something up there, we are
not screwing up some place where people can lay down and enjoy the sun and where the band shell
has so many activities going on and this is probably 100 feet from there, we are looking for trouble.
There is nothing with this study that has stated Greeley Park had to be picked. That was their number
one recommendation but there were also six or seven sites that said that they would have been useful.
Like I said at the last meeting, what day of the week was this study taken? Was it taken on a Saturday
or a Sunday when I’m down there and there’s probably 300 – 400 kids playing soccer, there are softball
games going on, there are the horseshoe pits and I have a garden there and you couldn’t get down
there even if you wanted to. To me, I think the question should have been asked what day of the week
the study was done. I think this is the wrong site and I think for the safety of the youngsters, what further
we develop with the band shell which we all know there are people up in arms, they are not happy with
the band shell. If we expand the bathrooms there, what are we going to do, have this playground 10 feet
from the bathroom? This isn’t the site. Thank you.
Mr. Ed Mooney, 44 ½ Amherst Street
I rise in opposition to R-14-001, approving the location of the Legacy Playground in Greeley Park’s east
side. Two months ago, on April 22nd, this Board approved R-14-023, approving a contract with the
Institute for Human Centered Design for the purpose of evaluating sites for the location of the Legacy
Playground. Only one endorser of R-14-001 voted in favor of the study. According to the transcript, one
of the other endorser’s of R-14-001 made this challenge. “If the study comes back and says it should be
where the existing playground is in Greeley Park right now, I’m going to assume that everybody who is
voting for the study is going to back that decision. If they aren’t, then we are just wasting our money.
We really are.” Also according to the transcript, at least one of you, not an endorser of R-14-001,
agreed and said “I completely agree with you. If the study that we support says that’s the best place
then yes.” If that person or anyone else still feels obligated by the challenge made two months ago,
consider this. The conditions of the challenge never materialized. The study recommended a place not
where the existing playground is now. Not only that, it recommended a place on the other side of a busy
street 300 yards from the existing playground. You are off the hook. You are free to simply be informed
by the study and not bound by its rankings. Be glad that you are now able to consider the hours of
testimony before several sub-committees, including a public hearing that had transpired in the last two
months free of prejudice. We know that Greeley Park is a good place for a playground. What I am not
convinced of is if another playground is good for Greeley Park. In the absence of a vision and plan for
Greeley Park, any individual project, no matter how well intentioned, is Ad Hoc. In other words, we are
just improvising. The outcomes that I would like to see are defeat of R-14-001, defeat of R-14-042,
funding for the creation of a planned envision for Greeley Park, acceptance by the city of a gift from
Leadership Greater Nashua for building an ADA compliant playground at a site other than Greeley Park.
Mr. Michael Umali, 155 Cannongate
Thank you for the opportunity to address this Board. For months we have listened to the Friends of
Greeley Park, the Leadership of Greater Nashua, the parents of children with special needs, and
supporters of the playground. For the Friends of Greeley Park, we do understand that you live next to a
community and city park and this is also your neighborhood. In a neighborhood you need to know what
is going on and also protect it including the moratorium. That’s why the moratorium is in place, to
protect Greeley Park and its neighborhood. For the Leadership of Greater Nashua, they have been
tossed in a very difficult time over two years. You continue to work with the parents, community, city
departments, state officials, the Board of Alderman, and the neighborhood. You are steadfast to give all
children the liberty to build a place that they can all go and enjoy and play together. To the parents of
children with special needs, including myself, we only ask for a place that we can bring our children that
they can all enjoy and play together with other children no matter what their ability. There are many city
parks in Nashua, none came as highly recommended as Greeley Park by the parents, the community,
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and the Institute for Human Centered Design’s independent study. As I spoke before, I’ve been to most
of the city parks in Nashua with my son just to find a place where my son could play and enjoy. My son
and I never really found a particular park that we could always go and it is the same for other parents
like me. Now we are at this moment, the final passing of the location of the Legacy Playground, R-14-
001 and contracting the Institute for Human Centered Design for R-14-042. For years and months now I
have heard neighbors of the city come into the Board and be divided. This playground project has
become political for some purpose. Does it have to be this way? Can we build a new playground in the
east side as recommended by the Institute for Human Centered Design? How and when are we going
to rid of the differences and find something in common to get this playground built? Are we going to go
forward now for our children? Can we do this project together, as a community and as neighbors? An
excellent playground can still be built and we can still protect and preserve Greeley Park and its
neighborhood. Can we all lead this together, to build an ADA compliant and accessible playground; to
show the community and the people of this city that we can lead together? This is a moment for unity.
A community of neighbors and city leaders must make a big step to bring our community and city
together. The community needs to know that we are all united for all of our children. Please give this
opportunity to our children, for all children no matter what their ability, an opportunity where they can
play and enjoy in a place where everyone can go. We ask all of the members to vote yes as a unified
Board. I’m sorry I can’t stay tonight as it’s my turn to put my son to bed.
Mr. Dave Robbins, 102 Cherrywood Drive
I live in Ward 9, Alderman Siegel’s ward. As I was coming in here this evening, I walked around the
front of the building and took a look at something that I have looked at several times, the marble bust of
President John F. Kennedy. If it were just sitting there without any signage or anything that would be
fine but what I find historically relevant is what is says. One of the things it says is January 25, 1960,
that the then Senator Kennedy announced his candidacy for the presidency and said he was going to
run in New Hampshire. Why is that important? Can you imagine someone trying to run in the New
Hampshire Primary in 2016 and waiting until January 25, 2016? The primary would have probably
already been held. Why is that meaningful? It’s meaningful because it says something about history; it
says something about what has happened in those 54 years. I’m old enough that I can remember
President Kennedy but I have children who weren’t and I’ve brought my children into this building and
we’ve come to the front door and we stopped and looked at that. Just by reading the very brief words
that on there, we have had a great conservation about history and about what it means and about how
things have changed and what’s going on. What’s my point? Words, signage, naming, and recognition
matter for any number of reasons. One of the reasons they matter is because they are part of the flow
of history, they tell a story. They tell us what has happened; they recognize people who have provided
something to the community. Even on that statue, for me, that is not the most interesting bit of
information, the most interesting bit of information is down in the back on the bottom. There are two
names, Ward 4 representative Cecilia Winn, and Mayor Mario Vagge. That bust was put up in 1965.
Mayor Vagge was the Mayor, I don’t know if Cecilia Winn was a member of the Board of Alderman.
They were both Chairs of the fundraising committee. Just seeing those names as I was sitting here
waiting to speak, I started to look up both of them. Just seeing those names and being interested in
history has given me a little bit of a connection to what’s going on and I ask that you keep perhaps a little
bit of what I have said in mind as you look at R-14-001 and you look at the current items 7 & 8 and
consider that tasteful, appropriate information can be very important and in this playground, if it comes to
be built, if you tell the story and one of the great stories that you can tell is the public/private partnership;
the City of Nashua and the citizens of Nashua working together can do wonderful things and that says
something to people who come along the next generation. Many of us have read Mr. Greeley’s will and
his dedication and about how he gave the park and the history and what that means.
Mr. Eric Brand, East Brook Drive
I am the project representative for Legacy Playground. Dave, I must say, that was very good. Dave was
obviously talking about the naming of the playground which was not my intent with what I was going to
speak to tonight but I thought he made some very good points to that. I did hear tonight that we have
had it out for Greeley Park and that’s where we have wanted to be this entire time. I’ll say it hopefully for
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the last time that this entire process that we have gone through was wanting to find the best site and we
were believing in the study to do that and I believe that we are working within the best site based on all
of the research that has been done. Buffer zone, I completely agree and I’ve said that before publicly to
make sure that we working in a very good fashion to make that there is a buffer zone to take place in
there and tonight actually introduce another piece that hopefully we will be discussing later on in the
design process and that’s working with the utility pole issues in the background. There are definitely
some concerns to make sure that we are addressing all of those types of issues so that we are not
creating additional problems just by putting a buffer in there. I haven’t looked at that area to see about
the wires, but I’m sure that’s something that’s going to be addressed as we continue to move forward. I
had a great conversation this weekend with Jennifer Brooks for about 1 and 10 minutes trying to
understand how a process like this could work. How could we really get along and still continue to
create something good. One of the recommendations that she actually had within the conversation was
well, I can see where there would be some controversy or issues and she recommended adding in
somebody else to this group. I tried to come up with someone that I felt would be doing something great
for the kids regardless of their abilities. The person that came to my mind was Jan Martin, the Special
Education Director for the City of Nashua. Who else has the experience level of working with these
children to be able to make sure that they are getting the best services that they can on a daily basis?
Who else could go out and ask for other opinions from other specialists that could possibly review any
plans that are going on to make sure that everything is being accounted for. If there are questions that
come up, we can get those answered. I know that she has spoke before the different committees at
different times and she spoke in favor of Greeley Park. I’m not sure if she specifically said Greeley Park
or not. I didn’t go back to the minutes to look that up but she was obviously very much in favor of
building this playground. If we are down to the site and we know what the site is, she is kind of neutral
at this point. It doesn’t matter to her where it’s going but I think it matters to her that this is built in an
appropriate fashion and make sure that it is addressing the needs of the children. I ask you tonight, as
we heard some amendments last week, I didn’t have a chance until now to really comment about them, I
ask you tonight to consider putting an amendment together that could include her in the design process.
I think that really adds to the neutral partisans. The second piece, I’m concerned about trying to make
sure that we can recognize those who have donated towards the project. That was one of the
amendments that were added last week. I don’t’ remember if it was 001 or 042, I think it was number 8
does specify about not having any signage done without having the Board’s approval and I’m okay with
that. I want to make sure that is there and I want to make sure that even in 001 or vice versus that it
balances each other to actually have work with the Institute for Human Centered Design, to have
Jennifer Brooks make sure that she is putting together some type of recognition that can be in good
taste and actually be done in a very low manner where it’s not going to draw attention. The idea of this
is not to draw attention to it. I’m curious to see what Jennifer will say. Could it be a little footplate with
perennials around it, could it be a little plaque on the side of a piece of equipment, I’m not sure. I just
want to make sure that we are not ruling that out. As we all know, everywhere in the city, donors are
recognized. I don’t think this should be treated any differently. I do want to thank this Board, the
President, the Mayor, and all of the different committees. One of the things that we have gotten down to
is that we wanted a yes or no answer. Hopefully we can get that tonight and I thank everyone for all of
their time and hard work that went into this.
Ms. Paula Johnson, 15 Westborn Drive
I spoke with Alderman Soucy earlier and I think some of you will have a good chuckle. No one’s ever
said that I speak eloquently but he did in the Finance Committee about free F-R-E-E. I am a little bit
concerned about the $15,000 for the site design. I looked at this legislation and I looked to see what
department the money is coming out of. Its department 194, which I spoke with Mo earlier because I
knew to get to the 2014 budget not the 2015 coming up that I had to do a little comparison. I believe that’s
coming out of contingency, am I correct? In the contingency from last year was about $197,500 that was
allotted and this year, 2015 is $300,000. $15,000 out of contingency, some people say it’s a drop in a
bucket but I say its F-R-E-E gift and I shouldn’t have to pay for this. This has nothing to do with the kids; I
raised three children of my own. I love kids. It’s the principle of the thing. It’s a gift to the city and I’m so
glad that Mr. Robbins finally said, as I’ve been saying all along that this is a public/private partnership. In
such a partnership, public money is expended and there’s going to be more money expended in this.
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Putting names on plaques, you know, if I was donating money I couldn’t care less is my name was up in
lights. In fact, my name is at Stello’s and I didn’t want and my name is at Holman’s and I didn’t want it. If
people need to have their names in lights then go to Broadway. I’m not happy about it and I guess I’m going
to keep squawking about it because that’s my money too. Nobody cares if my taxes go up. How many
people are going to have the guts here on this Board to make the reductions that need to be made this year
because the Mayor said that next year is going to be worse? As I looked through the agenda, and there was
a great article in today’s Telegraph about Brian McCarthy wanting to put a movie theatre on top of the
parking garages. Again, this is a public/private partnership. I’ve said for years when I sat on the Board that
why do we build out in this city? Why don’t we use our air rights and build schools up and down. I’m a little
concerned because we want to look at the economic vitality of downtown. We talk about the Nashua
Regional Planning Commission gives us all these wonderful ideas, it used to be called urban re-
development and then it became the walk able, sustainable communities and now I don’t even know what
the heck it’s called. The problem I have here is that we are all focusing everything on downtown; forget
about the rest of the neighborhoods and the rest of the city. Number two, what jobs are we bringing
downtown to bring people into the downtown to live? What type of store fronts are we bringing downtown?
We brought this up in our debates for Alderman-at-Large and I think I brought up many things. How many
people on this Board grew up in the big city? The Economic Development Director, I asked him if he knew
what a superette is. He said what’s a superette? I said go to Manhattan. Manhattan doesn’t have big store,
they have small stores and they cater to. Who are we catering to in Nashua? That’s what you have to ask
yourself. Who do we want to bring to downtown? If we are going to bring working class people all we are
doing is bringing more retail to Amherst Street. What types of jobs are we going to be bringing. I have sat
on this Board and I would say that people can’t buy a home on retail salary. Well, I guess they could but
then they would foreclose on the home because they really can’t buy a home on those salaries. So what are
we really looking for downtown, $7.25 per hour? People can’t survive on retail so you have to plan around
on how people are going to survive downtown. I mean we have those million dollar sidewalks there now
and so we have to build something around the million dollar sidewalks rather than planning. I watched the
Planning and Economic Development Committee meeting with Mr. Manoian and I’ll tell you that my head
was spinning by the time I was done. Nashua Regional Planning Commission, Agenda 21 is coming to
Nashua.
Mr. Dick Ianncone – 35 Swart Terrace
I do want to bring up one thing, it’s this R-14-042 and there’s a part here that says “be resolved that the
IHCD shall work with a member of the Leadership Greater Nashua and a member of the Friends of Greeley
Park. I want you all to take a deep breath because if I am asked, I will not serve. As I have said from the
very first meeting, I am biased. Even tonight, it’s interesting to listen to the words being used about what’s
been going on. It’s not about us or them. It has nothing to do with the Friends of Greeley Park, or the
neighborhood people. The very first meeting I went to, I made a presentation because they were talking
about this is for everyone, veterans, people with disabilities, and the elderly. The first thing I said was I feel
kind of guilty being here because I have a child with disabilities, I served a tour in Vietnam, and of course,
now I am elderly. My realization the very first night was that 99% of the people in that room and until
recently, most of the members around this room were not discussing the same thing I was discussing. It
never has been about us and them from day one; it’s been about Greeley Park. It’s been about the
moratorium. The moratorium was put in for a reason. A lot of people have a tough time in a political arena.
A lot of average citizens are questioning what is going on with our political system. We voted people in to
take action and it was done for a reason and then we find out later on that wow, we can change that if we so
desire. The issue has been all along about Greeley Park. If someone wants to put a plaque on something,
and by the way, there was one comment, Chris Williams and spoke to signage. It was all about their group
not needing signage. He said that we had raised money for this project or that project and there was
nothing about signage. Now we hear that. Once you put something in Greeley Park, it doesn’t go away. I
was driving by the park the other night and it was all lit up and people were playing horseshoes. How did
that get approved? The people who are talking about Greeley Park and really want to preserve it, we are
worried. It’s slowly being taken away one more time. You know that study? The so-called Friends of
Greeley Park that contributed to the study, what they really wanted to show was that do you know what,
there’s more than one site in this community. Everyone’s new best friend, Jennifer said that how many
times? We are fortunate; we have a lot of great sites. We wouldn’t have spent two years on this project
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now if you want to put it any other place than Greeley Park. It is not just another playground, it’s huge.
Pretty soon there won’t be anything left on the east side. What’s happened to the little wading pool? Will
that be under a tarp for the rest of the year? The park doesn’t look good, it needs work. I am asking you
tonight, and I know it’s tough. There was one individual who stood up here at the meeting last week, which
a lot of people are really proud of because he gets it, it’s about Greeley Park. We all want the playground
folks. I’d be happy to donate to the playground. That’s just not the place. Why does it have to be Greeley
Park? What is this about Greeley Park that you have to put it in when there is a moratorium against building
anything else? Someone talked about getting a plan together. To me, that’s pretty easy. It’s a preservation
and not to develop land. It’s the Nomad approach; you put in the park what you carry in on your back and
when you are finished, you carry it out. The park will be there for everyone. There have been reports
written about the area along the water, it’s an historical part of that park, we should be talking about for all
kids and all disabilities to adding trails through there. It’s a different format. There are already playgrounds
out there. Why can’t people see that? It’s a different type of enjoyment. Why do we have to destroy it? I
now it’s tough tonight. Most of you have already made your mind up which is unfortunate. I am asking each
of you to dig down deep and really think about what this really means, what Greeley Park really means. It
has nothing to do with the playground, vote it down. Thank you very much.
PETITIONS – None
NOMINATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND ELECTIONS – None
REPORTS OF COMMITTEE
Budget Review Committee ................................................................ 06/05/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 5, 2014
Budget Review Committee accepted and placed on file.
Budget Review Committee ................................................................ 06/09/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 9, 2014
Budget Review Committee accepted and placed on file.
Budget Review Committee ................................................................ 06/12/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 12, 2014
Budget Review Committee accepted and placed on file.
Finance Committee ............................................................................ 06/18/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 18, 2014
Finance Committee accepted and placed on file.
Committee on Infrastructure ............................................................. 06/11/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 11, 2014
Committee on Infrastructure accepted and placed on file.
Human Affairs Committee ................................................................ 06/19/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 19, 2014
Human Affairs Committee accepted and placed on file.
Jt. Committee on Infrastructure/Budget Review Committee .............. 06/18/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 18, 2014
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Joint Committee on Infrastructure and Budget Review Committee accepted and placed on file.
Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee ...................................... 06/10/14
There being no objection, President Deane declared the report of the June 10, 2014
Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee accepted and placed on file.
WRITTEN REPORTS FROM LIAISONS – None
CONFIRMATION OF MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS - None
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – RESOLUTIONS
R-14-001, Amended
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
APPROVING THE LOCATION OF THE LEGACY PLAYGROUND AT GREELEY PARK
EAST SIDE
Given its third reading;
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SHEEHAN TO AMEND R-14-001 IN ITS ENTIRETY BY REPLACING
IT WITH THE GOLDEN ROD COPY PROVIDED WITH THE AGENDA
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Chasse
What are the amendments?
Alderman Sheehan
First and foremost, it aligns it with the site recommended by the Institute for Human Centered Design
which is on the east side of Greeley Park. Again, no mature, healthy trees shall be removed. The
resolution is contingent on R-14-042 getting final passage which is for the design by the Institute for
Human Centered Design. No expansion of the project shall be taken without a separate resolution so
what’s going to be approved is what is in the plan. The Leadership Greater Nashua shall have all of the
funding before the project starts and no plaques, signs, bricks, or anything else bearing the names of
companies or organizations shall be placed anywhere in Greeley Park without the approval of the Board
of Aldermen. No expansion shall be made to the parking footprint inside of Greeley Park and a planted
year-round buffer zone shall be established and maintained between the playground and the neighbors
by the city. It shall not be lit or have any stadium seating.
MOTION CARRIED
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SHEEHAN FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF R-014-001 AS AMENDED
Alderman Chasse
I missed a few meetings but I did watch them on TV I am not against the kids getting a new playground,
I’m all for it. My question is where do they stand on their 100%? What if they don’t reach the 100%? Is
this all a waste of our time? One of my biggest concerns is this, Greeley Park is so packed, like with the
Summer Fun Days; there’s no way that any challenged children can get to that playground where it’s
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going to be. There are three ball fields down there. When all three ball fields are active, the parking is all
the way up past the tennis courts. We are looking at four handicapped spots, there’s just no parking on
that side. I don’t think this is the right spot. There’s also a moratorium and I’m for it. We are piece
mealing it down there again. The horse shoe pits went in and then this went in and that went in, they had
the RV’s down there one year on the soccer field. I personally feel that we should be looking at this; I
know that it was a study that was given to us but that doesn’t mean that we have to abide by that study.
My main concern is this, regardless of where you put it, what is it going to cost the taxpayers of Nashua?
Nobody has come up to me and said that it’s going to be $10,000 or we are going to have to invest
$100,000 or $1 million to put it there; I have heard no numbers so in my opinion, unless I get those
numbers, I will not support this. I want some numbers on what it is going to cost the taxpayers.
Alderman Schoneman
I want to talk about the study. What it tells us and what it doesn’t. I think when we hire a consultant to
come in, I think that person is meant to inform us in making a decision and not meant to make that
decision for us. The idea that the study somehow made our decision I think is erroneous. We need to
make sure that we understand how what was revealed to us can inform our decision. A gentleman
spoke earlier about the sites that were recommended, that it wasn’t just one, it wasn’t just Greeley Park.
Greeley Park wasn’t ranked necessarily by being the most accessible or the best. In fact, the consultant
said numerous times here and in the written report that there are many sites that are available and would
be suitable. In fact, the ones that made that list of seven are all considered suitable. The ones that were
unsuitable were rejected out of hand. They weren’t even ranked. All of those seven sites were
considered suitable. The only comment about lack of suitability on those top seven was addressed to the
west side of Greeley Park when they said they recommended it with reservations due to the access
issues there. We have multiple sites in the city that are available that would be successful for this park
which means that the success of this playground to meet all of the needs that have been raised over all
of these months is not dependent on it being in Greeley Park. In fact, if we didn’t have Greeley Park and
they came in and looked at other sites, they would have found a suitable site. We have multiple sites
that are available which means that it’s not about a playground any more. If it was that only Greeley Park
was suitable then it would be well, if we don’t put it in Greeley Park then we don’t get a playground but
that’s not the case. It is really only about Greeley Park and the question is do we develop it or do we
preserve it. The moratorium is in effect. In the absence of a Master Plan that says we are going to do
“X” with the park, the only thing we have in the city is a moratorium. That moratorium was designed to
protect and preserve it, not to develop it. If there is any precedent for what we should be doing this
evening, I think that precedent is for preservation. Someone had asked is this playground really good for
Greeley Park and it’s not because it represents development. This legislation is about development and I
said last week, after I made many of those amendments, that I would not support it. I do not support it; I
am simply explaining my position. I support the preservation of Greeley Park and I will not support this.
Alderman Sheehan
One of the things that Jennifer from the Institute for Human Centered Design told us was that before they
do any work to see what something is going to look like, they need to see a site. We wouldn’t be able to
have those dollars until we had a picture of what the park might look like and then we get what our
numbers would be. The process for any location that this went to would be to first accept the gift. So if a
project came back and they said this is what the plan looks like, this is what it costs, and the Leadership
Greater Nashua wants to build it, we still have another process to go through where we have to submit
legislation again and accept the gift. This isn’t just moving forward. The person from that place told us
that the way that you do it is first you select a site and then you do a plan. Until we have a plan, we don’t
know what the ground work is going to cost. I think the bathroom door would need to be changed
because it’s a pull door. There are some minor costs there but the site work costs we wouldn’t have until
then. Just because we say that this is the site and that is approved and we do the site work, that’s when
we get the other numbers. I share your concern as that is something you definitely want to look at.
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Alderman Chasse
I don’t buy that. I’m sorry, I have been around long enough to know that if I am going to put it at say
Sergeant’s Avenue and I’ve already got a bathroom that I don’t have to spend any money on, I may have
to make a path for the wheelchairs or something like that, somebody can figure out and say it’s going to
cost $2,000 for that path. If I have it at Greeley Park then I have to expand the bathrooms or build them
so somebody is going to say it’s going to cost us $20,000. I mean we are going to spend $15,000 for
these people to say this is what it’s going to look like and then I’m going to decide? Well now it’s going to
cost us $1 million for the infrastructure. That’s basically what it is so you can take every site and say I
already have a bathroom, I need a bathroom, I need shade, I need this or that and you put it on a piece
of paper. Somebody has those numbers, a guesstimate. That’s what I was looking for and nobody has
come up with it.
President Deane
Like the sidewalk project where we throw $500,000 into a pot and then we don’t account for the Public
Works labor and at the end of the year we ask for another $500,000. I wanted to inform everyone that I
asked Attorney Bennett to speak with Ms. Brooks about the design and Attorney Bennett shared the e-
mail with me about the concerns and I am of the impression that – when I brought the legislation in, it
was for design only. They were going to work with a group and she presented a scope which would be
the review of existing survey as supplied by the City of Nashua, there would be a kick-off meeting with
the team where expectations are discussed. She would have a site visit and presentation of initial
landscape concepts, usually two or three options and a team workshop format based of course, on the
programming objectives. Refining and presenting the preferred design options, development of conceptual
site grading plan including vehicular use areas coordinated with a civil engineer or other city authority, which
would be the Board of Public Works. Representative images that convey the landscape design intent into a
slide presentation for public review. Preparing a statement of probable construction costs and having the
ADA review done by the Institute for Human Centered Design. That is basically the scope of work that she
has presented. I will give everyone a copy of this. Attorney Bennett just received it at 5:06 p.m.
Alderman Siegel
First of all, what we are doing here with this legislation is that we are making a decision to give permission to
use the best site identified. The Legacy Group can make a decision to put it outside of Greeley Park and
that has nothing to do us. Again, our only legislation is to allow a site, which we probably wouldn’t have shot
down if it had not been the number one site identified. The Legacy Group can change their mind if they
decide to and work with the Board of Public Works. I know from my particular case, I had pledged that I
would support the best possible site and I think the way I see the design coming out, although I understand
Alderman Chasse’s concern, I think with the original design, I would have shared those concerns. It was
a one size fits all. You buy this gigantic thing at some large expense and you put it down somewhere
and hope that the entire cost objective can be met but because I think Ms. Brooks was in favor of a
hybrid approach, I believe that we have a certain amount of funding that’s been identified. In any case,
whatever design is made, we would want it to be scale-able for a number of reasons. One, just for
financial reasons but also I think we will learn as we go along, what’s going to work and what’s not going
to work. Let’s face it, we are not experts and it’s probably a reasonable idea to say that we might expand
this if it works and maybe not if it doesn’t. As far as Mr. Brand’s concern and Mr. Robbin’s concern about
recognition, I don’t think anything in the current legislation prevents recognition. I think all it does is
recognize that the Board of Aldermen has a duty to approve the recognition however it might be put in
place such that it is tastefully designed. We are putting a lot of trust in Jennifer Brooks already, I would
believe that she would understand that is part of our concern and I think it’s unlikely that we would come
up with something that’s glaringly bad. I think it’s entirely possible to do recognition in a tasteful fashion.
I am going to support this legislation as it is.
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Alderman Dowd
I can understand the concerns that have been raised. I believe relative to the cost that this is probably
the least expensive as far as infrastructure costs. The bathrooms at Sergeant’s Avenue are not
adequate for handicapped. They are not insulated and only used during the summer. Because the
location at Sergeant’s Avenue is right near one of the busiest streets in the City of Nashua, it’s a great
concern so you might have to put up a fence. Yes, there are times that Greeley Park is very busy.
Sergeant’s Avenue is busy all of the time and there’s a preponderance of older kids that hang around
there all of the time. There are baseball fields there. To me, that is not a good location, handicapped
accessible or not. I would not want to spend a lot of money developing more playground infrastructure
there without making sure that we have all of the infrastructure that’s needed. That would be a lot more
expensive than the east side of Greeley Park. I think three of the top four sites were Greeley Park.
Maybe I’m wrong, but at least the top two were Greeley Park. I think the firm we are hiring will look out
for those concerns. I agree with the moratorium but the moratorium says that anything that goes in
Greeley Park has to come before the Board. I also agree that long-term there should be a plan for
Greeley Park. I think the Parks & Recreation buildings should come out of there. There’s been a
playground in Greeley Park for at least 60 years that I am aware of and it certainly hasn’t detracted from
Greeley Park so why would we have a problem with putting some additional playground equipment in.
There are some minor changes that have to be made to the bathrooms at Greeley Park. We have been
talking about this for months. I was first opposed to the study but in retrospect I am glad we did it
because we learned a lot. I have no problem with having Jennifer help design the park. I think it’s time
to pass this resolution and move on.
Alderman Soucy
It’s time to finish this tonight one way or the other. Are we talking about the preservation of just the west
side of Greeley Park or Greeley Park as a whole? If you are for preservation, because it’s pretty clear to
me that it’s not about the best ADA site, it’s always been about Greeley Park. If you are for the
preservation of Greeley Park as a whole, then have the courage tonight to vote no. If you believe this is
the best site then vote yes. I’m not happy about the fact that we have to hire the Institute for Human
Centered Design. I don’t care who designs the playground. I am definitely not in favor of spending
$15,000 of taxpayer’s money for the design. Initially the gift could have been up to $250,000 for the
“biggest” and “bestest” playground in the state or even in New England. Now we are talking about a
scaled down playground. The Mayor said a few weeks ago that probably the cost would be in the area of
about $140,000 - $150,000 so why not let the Legacy Group pay for that $15,000? Why does it have to
come out us? Again, it’s supposed to be free. I’m not in favor of R-14-042 for the $15,000 and sure, if
the Legacy Group wants to work with the Institute, that’s fine, if they want to bring in Jan Martin, I don’t
care, she’s wonderful, I know her. If R-14-042 fails tonight, that means no matter what we do with R-14-
001, that’s done too?
President Deane
That’s correct. It’s contingent upon it.
Alderwoman Brown
I disagree with the opinions that this was all about Greeley Park. The way it started was that the
Leadership Greater Nashua wanted to give a gift to the city. They looked at a dozen or more
playgrounds and they decided Greeley Park was the place. We paid for a study and I am glad we did
because it opened my mind to having an alternate site to where the old equipment is now. It terms of the
cost, we discussed having it scale-able. Scale-able, in my opinion means that if the Legacy Group – we
have various donations that could be in kind, for example, different landscaping organizations might
decide to donate trees or landscaping. I think that’s something to keep in mind. I want to get this done
and move on. I believe there are enough safeguards in here to protect the city from exorbitant costs. I
think we need to move forward and I will be in support of it.
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Alderman Schoneman
There is more than a dollar cost. There’s the opportunity cost or maybe the opportunity to preserve cost.
When IHCD ranked the sites, they ranked them by what they perceived to be the least amount of site
prep required to the greatest. All of the sites were suitable but they said the likely cost to the city to prep
the site in Greeley Park east is less than in other places and that is why it is number one. There is a cost
associated with giving out a piece of Greeley Park. I would be much more inclined to spend money
elsewhere if I felt that would mean Greeley Park is preserved as a result. I feel strongly about
preservation for all of Greeley Park. Greeley Park can be used for many things, like opening up trails
and that sort of thing. That is the purpose of its use and I think we can preserve Greeley Park for future
generations.
Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja
I am in agreement with Alderman Siegel’s earlier comments. I think that one of the important pieces in
terms of supporting R-14-042 is that it is going to present and allow us the opportunity to look at that
hybrid model that I think most of us were interested in when it was discussed. Not taking an off the shelf
playground and plopping it somewhere and also not just starting from scratch and trying to figure out how
to integrate the site with the opportunity for children to have a play space. I think that’s the expertise that
they are going to bring to the table and I think it is about Greeley Park. It would not be before us tonight
if it wasn’t. Amendment #4 really speaks to the fact that it is about Greeley Park. Both the budget and
the design need to be presented to us and we talked about having a public hearing prior to it even getting
to the Board of Aldermen. It’s not until the budget and the design are presented and approved by the
Board of Aldermen that any construction or prep work can begin. If we are presented with a design that
we think is inappropriate for Greeley Park, then that’s our time to totally halt the whole project. Voting on
this tonight is allowing one small step forward but there are still places where we can say no and stop the
process. I think if we get to the point where the cost of the playground is less than the anticipated
$250,000, at that point we can talk about who will pay for the $15,000. I would like us to move forward. I
am going to vote in favor of this and I’d like to see what this hybrid model might look like.
Alderman Wilshire
I agree with Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja about this not being the final vote tonight. I have to point out that
half of the $5,000 for the study came from the neighbors. I know Jan Martin and I have the utmost
respect for her but she is a city employee so I don’t know that I would support that. To be appointed
through a piece of a legislation, I just couldn’t support that. I am going to support this and I’d like us to
move forward.
Alderman Siegel
I’m not very happy about having to spend $15,000 of taxpayer money but I’m trying to be a pragmatist
about it. I don’t want to create a disaster that we have to live with. That $15,000 or more could be
chewed up if we go to a site other than the number one site. I do respect the idea of preservation of
Greeley Park. I was against the west side and the meadow but let’s not treat it like its Jerusalem like this
playground somehow soils the integrity of the park. If anything, it might increase the integrity in a positive
way.
Alderman Moriarty
Mason’s rules does make a comment that as a matter of policy, everybody speaks once per piece of
legislation unless new information is offered. That aside, I’ve learned a lot from the IHCD and the study.
There are two things that helped me make my decision. The playground does not need Greeley Park
and Greeley Park does not need this playground. To override the moratorium, I would think there would
be some compelling need to override it and go against it with the preservation of the park. There are
many other sufficient places to put the playground in the city. Not only is the existing equipment in
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Greeley Park not only sufficient but it is actually a prized possession. I urge you to vote against this R-
14-001.
Alderman Chasse
Can we have a roll call on that.
President Deane
We certainly can.
Alderman Donchess
This is going to be a close vote for me for the following reasons. First of all, I completely agree with the
moratorium in Greeley Park, especially on the west side. I think that should be preserved as the old style
park that it is forever. I never could have voted for this on the west side of Greeley Park under any
conditions even if the IHCD recommended it, which they did not. I think the work that the committee and
the Board of Aldermen has done has greatly improved this potential project. As a result of the changes
that were recommended and as a result of Ms. Brooks’ involvement, I think we have greatly improved
this potential project. I could never support this without the amendments which I think also improved the
project but I was stunned by the level of animosity and bitterness which was stirred up by this proposal
on both sides. One thing that this recommendation of Ms. Brooks does offer is a reconciliation of sorts.
Those are my considerations going into the vote.
A viva voce roll call was taken on final passage which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman McCarthy; Alderman Dowd; Alderman Sheehan; 8
Alderman Siegel; Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja; Alderwoman Brown;
Alderman Wilshire; Alderman Deane
Nay: Alderman Schoneman; Alderman Chasse; Alderman McGuinness; 6
Alderman Soucy; Alderman Donchess; Alderman Moriarty
MOTION CARRIED
Resolution R-14-001 declared duly adopted as amended.
R-14-040
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Ken Siegel
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
RELATIVE TO THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF $419,337 FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY INTO FIRE GRANT ACTIVITY “FY13
ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT”
Given its second reading;
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SOUCY FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF R-14-040
MOTION CARRIED
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Resolution R-14-040 declared duly adopted.
R-14-041
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman Ken Siegel
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
RELATIVE TO THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF $71,800 FROM THE
STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY INTO FIRE GRANT ACTIVITY
“2013 STATE HOMELAND SECURITY PROGRAM”
Given its second reading;
MOTION BY ALDERMAN SOUCY FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF R-14-041
MOTION CARRIED
Resolution R-14-041 declared duly adopted.
R-14-042
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman David Schoneman
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess
Alderman Ken Siegel
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
APPROVING A CONTRACT WITH THE INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN CENTERED DESIGN
FOR THE PURPOSE OF DESIGNING THE LEGACY PLAYGROUND
Given its second reading;
MOTION BY ALDERMAN MCCARTHY TO AMEND R-14-042 IN ITS ENTIRETY BY REPLACING
IT WITH THE GOLDEN ROD COPY PROVIDED WITH THE AGENDA
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman McCarthy
The changes are in the fourth paragraph “Therefore be it resolved by the Board of Aldermen of the City
of Nashua the City enter into a contract with the Institute of Human Centered Design for the purpose of
proposing a scale-able design for the Legacy Playground, which also includes a description of necessary
site work and a cost analysis. IHCD shall work with a member of Leadership Greater Nashua and a
member of the Friends of Greeley Park, and will also hold a public input session during the design
process. Once completed, the design shall be presented to this Board, which shall retain final design
approval. The contract with the Institute for Human Centered Design shall not exceed the amount of
$15,000.00.
MOTION CARRIED
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MOTION BY ALDERMAN MCCARTHY TO AMEND BY ADDING “THE DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL
EDUCATION OF THE CITY ON NASHUA AFTER THE WORDS THE FRIENDS OF GREELEY PARK”
Alderman Soucy
I think her input would be very valuable but do we need to legislate that? Can’t they just seek out her
opinion and advice? I won’t be supporting that amendment.
Alderman Siegel
I am very concerned given what Alderman Wilshire pointed out. I think it’s hard to ignore and I don’t
understand why we need to legislate this, I don’t see the value added.
Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja
I understand Alderman Wilshire’s concern but we have other city employees who serve on committees
so this would not be unique. In my experience with Jan Martin, not only with her experience with special
education, but as a psychologist, she has an understanding of children, play, and environments. I think it
would be another area of expertise. My only reason for supporting legislating it is that it seems like we
are putting everything else into legislation so things aren’t viewed as being suspect and people having
inappropriate access or input which worries me because if there is an expert person at Rivier who is an
expert in outdoor play for children, then why shouldn’t that person be able to come in and sit at the
meeting? I would hope that Jan would be able to be there as a content specialist and would not be
conflicted.
Alderman Wilshire
My concern here is not Jan Martin at all. I think she is the most respected person in special education in
the city. What concerns me is at the last meeting we talked about specifying someone who is a Friend of
Greeley Park, I just think it should just be left at if someone with her capability wants to be part of it, yes
but to put it in legislation, I am not in support of. We didn’t specify anyone from the Friends of Greeley
Park and I think that was intentional.
President Deane
It all started when we had the study done. I just tried to make things simple and I was accused of this
and accused of that. This is my vision. We hire the lady, we have the three people meet, they go
through this list of stuff and they come back to us. If there is valuable input that Ms. Martin could add,
fine but the next thing you know, someone else is going to come down the road and say well I have some
valuable input as well. Then the next thing you know it turns into a dog and pony show. I thought this
would be a simplistic way to do something.
Alderman McCarthy
I agree with Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja but as long as we understand that the Director of Special
Education is a resource that the Institute is capable of using, I don’t care whether we put it in the
legislation or not. I just don’t want someone saying why did they talk to the Director of Special Education,
that’s not in the resolution.
MOTION BY ALDERMAN MCCARTHY TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION
President Deane
If the Board doesn’t mind, I’ll send Jan Martin an e-mail and ask her if she has any interest in
participating and if so, please advise. I’ll send everyone a copy of the e-mail.
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MOTION BY ALDERMAN MCCARTHY TO AMEND BY ADDING “AS PART OF THE DESIGN
PROCESS THE INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN CENTERED DESIGN WILL INCLUDE SIGNAGE AND
DONOR RECOGNITION CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR PROJECTS IN OTHER LOCATIONS TO BE
DONE IN A TASTEFUL MANNER WITH FINAL APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN FROM THE BOARD OF
ALDERMEN” AFTER THE WORDS INCLUDES A DESCRIPTION OF NECESSARY SITE WORK AND
A COST ANALYSIS
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman McCarthy
I think Alderman Siegel hit the nail on the head before when he said that there are ways to do this that
will work out and why not have a recommendation from the designer. It doesn’t change anything about
R-14-001 which requires us to be the final arbiter of whether the sign goes up or not. There are
individual donors who are going to put large amounts of money towards it and they might want their
name on it somewhere. Not everyone would like to remain completely anonymous so I would like to
allow Leadership Greater Nashua to be able to leverage that and still not put any 8’ x 8’ signs up in the
park.
Alderman Schoneman
I am not in favor of that amendment. I don’t think there is anything here that precludes her from including
a sign as part of her design work but I don’t want to specify it here. They were adamant in the beginning
that there would be no signs and in fact, Mr. Williams spoke at length in January about not needing any
signs. I think to bring it in now begins to change things and that’s what people have been fearing. I do
not advocate that at all. I do not favor any sign in there at all because that is what they promised.
Alderman Chasse
Let’s just build the thing and we’ll deal with the signage later. We can decide later on.
Alderman Wilshire
I think it can be done tastefully. It could maybe be etched into the side of a piece of equipment. I’ll
support the amendment.
Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja
I will support it also because I think when you are looking at the design, you want the complete design so
to see how the proposed signage would look, you need to consider that as part of the whole design. If
we don’t like the way it looks we can get rid of it. The Legacy Group needs to understand that when they
are soliciting donations that they cannot guarantee that donor’s names will be somewhere in that
playground unless it is approved as part of the design.
Alderman Moriarty
A cynic could probably say to let them mount the signs so that way future generations will know who to
blame. I urge you to leave the commemorative plaques out of this. It is worth pointing out that the late
John F. Kennedy did not pay for his own statue to be mounted in front of City Hall.
Alderman Siegel
I understand the pragmatic need to have some recognition for some donors as not everyone is willing to
be anonymous but to legislate the idea that a sign will be part of it is, I mean at a certain point you could
say let’s legislate that slide or slope. I think it’s covered by the fact that Mr. Brand is participating in this
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and it’s clearly something that is important to him. I don’t see the need for legislation when there is a
mechanism already in place.
Alderman Dowd
I am going to vote in favor of it. I think it’s already been said that a sign would not be allowed unless it
was approved by the Board of Aldermen. Either way, it has to come back to the Board for approval.
Alderwoman Brown
I will be voting in favor of this because I don’t think it will hurt at all.
Alderman Soucy
Alderman Dowd is correct, it’s already been covered under R-14-001 under section 8. I will be voting
against it.
A viva voce roll call was taken on final passage which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman McCarthy; Alderman Dowd; Alderman Sheehan; 6
Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja; Alderwoman Brown;
Alderman Wilshire
Nay: Alderman Schoneman; Alderman Chasse; Alderman McGuinness; 8
Alderman Soucy; Alderman Donchess; Alderman Moriarty;
Alderman Siegel; Alderman Deane
MOTION FAILED
MOTION BY ALDERMAN MCCARTHY FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF R-14-042 AS AMENDED
MOTION CARRIED
Resolution R-14-042 declared duly adopted as amended.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS – ORDINANCES – None
NEW BUSINESS RESOLUTIONS
R-14-043
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
RELATIVE TO THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF $33,740 FROM THE STATE
OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY INTO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
GRANT ACTIVITY “2013 HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM”
Given its first reading; assigned to the HUMAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by President Deane
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R-14-044
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman-at-Large Daniel T. Moriarty
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman David Schoneman
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Ken Siegel
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF $3,500 FROM DEPARTMENT 194, ACCOUNTING
CLASSIFICATION 70 – CONTINGENCY INTO DEPARTMENT 109 – CIVIC & COMMUNITY
ACTIVITIES, ACCOUNTING CLASSIFICATION 56 – OUTSIDE AGENCIES IN THE FY14
BUDGET FOR GOLD STAR OF NASHUA
Given its first reading; assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Deane
R-14-045
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
AUTHORIZING THE RELEASE OF A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR A PERFORMING
ARTS VENUE AND A MOVIE THEATER ATOP THE ELM STREET AND HIGH STREET
GARAGES
Given its first reading; assigned to the PLANNING & ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE by
President Deane
R-14-046
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
AMENDING THE PURPOSE OF A FISCAL YEAR 2014 ESCROW FOR THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT
Given its first reading; assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Deane
R-14-047
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
RELATIVE TO FUNDING THE PLANNING STUDY FOR THE EAST HOLLIS STREET
GATEWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT
Given its first reading; assigned to the PLANNING & ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE and
the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Deane
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R-14-048
Endorsers: Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman David Schoneman
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Ken Siegel
AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
($400,000) FROM THE CONSERVATION FUND FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
OF CONSERVATION TRAILS
Given its first reading; assigned to the PLANNING & ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, the
BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE and the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Deane
NEW BUSINESS – ORDINANCES
O-14-022
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Pamela T. Brown
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Ken Siegel
Alderman Michael Soucy
Alderman Sean M. McGuinness
Alderman David Schoneman
Alderman-at-Large Diane Sheehan
ESTABLISHING AN ALDERMANIC LIAISON TO THE NASHUA AIRPORT AUTHORITY
Given its first reading; assigned to the PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by
President Deane
O-14-023
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Jim Donchess
PROHIBITING A RIGHT TURN ON RED FROM ADVENTURE WAY NORTH ONTO
DANIEL WEBSTER HIGHWAY
Given its first reading; assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Deane
PERIOD FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT
Jim Cutter, 86 Palm Street.
Dear President Deane and Board of Aldermen/Alderwomen,
Last month, I showed you approved building permits that gave a strip of our driveway/clothesline area to
our neighbors, and told you the permits were in violation of the easy to read ordinance that called for
actual dimensions on the plot plan. It is hard to believe anyone could misunderstand an ordinance. The
building permit ordinance in 1950/1971 was not enforced for 88 Palm Street so the Gilbertson’s feel they
own our property. Our driveway/clothesline area is part of the curtilage of our home and is protected by
the 4th Amendment. The city knows it and could care less about depriving us of a constitutional right.
See F.B.I. Website for Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law. Title 18, United States Code, Section
242. President Ronald Reagan was fond of saying: “Freedom is never more than one generation away
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from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and
handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and
our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” We would
appreciate your help. Sincerely.
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE THAT THE RULES BE SO FAR SUSPENDED TO ACCEPT THE
COMMUNICATION FROM MR. CUTTER PLACED ON OUR DESKS THIS EVENING AND PLACE IT
ON FILE
MOTION CARRIED
Paula Johnson, 15 Westborn Drive
What always amazes me is you spent $15,000 that you debate for on and on and on, and for millions of
dollars you vote right away. It has always been that way with the Board, it has never changed. I’m sorry
the Mayor is not here tonight. I’m sorry that Mr. Cutter has to keep coming in every two weeks for the
same issue. I guess it’s not going to happen on her watch. She’ll leave it to somebody else’s watch to
maybe rectify his situation. The man has proof here. You know, someone has to take care of this. It’s
sad. He’s a taxpayer of this city. I’m sorry that the Mayor is not here. Everyone told me that I needed to
watch the Finance Committee meeting with the police cruisers and the computers. I think it’s sad. If IT
can’t get the job done and the Mayor doesn’t know what’s going on, you know, it’s not like we are crime
free here in Nashua. People move to cities because you have low taxes, good schools, and low crime.
Nashua has pretty high taxes, high crime and I don’t know about the schools. I’d like to talk about body
language and looks. Last year I got this memo from who was then the President of the Board of
Aldermen, Brian McCarthy, over an issue with then Ward 3 Alderman Diane Sheehan about a gesture
that I never made and the confrontation in the parking lot. Alderman McCarthy wrote “Alderman
Sheehan does not claim otherwise. She does however state that she was speaking and you made several
facial gestures and other body language that showed contempt for what she was saying.” I also pulled
some of the meeting minutes of what happened and the Mayor wasn’t happy because she thought, “first of
all, I would have appreciated a heads up what was coming tonight regarding the computers.” She was not
happy because she felt that the Board side-stepped them, the Finance Committee members, about the
computers. Well, if you have antiquated computers that are not doing their job in a police car, I as a member
of committee would be upset too if it wasn’t getting to the desk that started back in March. I, as a citizen,
want to make sure that the police have updated equipment because of the rampant amount of crime that is
going on in the city. So, when this letter came to me over an issue, maybe I should give this letter to the
Mayor and just put her name on it, Dear Mayor Lozeau, I’m just handing off the letter that President Brian
McCarthy wrote to me regarding body language that never happened that night. This was over an Alderman
who said that her son said that I make faces that I never made. Be careful of your body language here in
the horseshoe. Be careful of the rolling eyes and the faces and gestures because it can be caught on
television or in the galley. Be careful if you are texting someone or doing something that you are not
supposed to be doing because under the Right-to-Know Law, anything that’s done in this horseshoe is
public information because you are doing public business. I never did get my apology. I suggest under the
code of conduct that any Alderman that is disrespectful or whatever. I put the code of conduct on a
laminated poster. Maybe it should be over there again. It’s sad that our Mayor who is a professional can’t
act like a professional when it comes to body language.
REMARKS BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN
Alderman Wilshire
The Club National is having their 15th Annual Golf Tournament to benefit the Nashua Children’s Home.
I’d like to say that over the last 14 years they have raised $250,000 for the transitional living program at
the Nashua Children’s Home which helps young adults from ages 18 – 21 get on their feet. I also wanted
to mention that I read in the paper about the soldier from here in Nashua, Brian M. Pitts will be awarded
the prestigious Medal of Honor on July 21st. The military’s top award for his heroic acts in Afghanistan in
2008. I am very proud of him.
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Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja
I would like to echo Alderman Wilshire’s comments about Solider Pitts. Someone had made a comment
about how things have ended up in Greeley Park and how messy the process was and how things are
out of control. Although this process has certainly had its ups and downs, I am hoping that as we move
through this and we look at maybe developing a committee that will be the caretakers of Greeley Park,
we can look at the process that we have gone through and talk about what has worked and put
something in place.
Alderman Siegel
I wanted to thank everyone for attending the Ward 9 informational meeting that was held last night. We
had a fruitful discussion.
Alderman Moriarty
There’s a Nashua Ordinance that says the city has a Strategic Plan that’s supposed to be updated every
term and there’s something called the Strategic Planning Committee which is formed through the
Chairman of different committees. The idea of planning for Greeley Park would be an obvious section of
the updated Strategic Plan. The only one I could find is from 1999. Once the budget cycle is done and
the two Chairmen aren’t beat up on that, we’ll call that committee and make a point to let everyone know.
I’d like to say happy birthday to Rosemary, my program manager and Symphony New Hampshire garden
tour this Saturday and Sunday. You can go on-line to www.symphonynh.com to get tickets. It’s a
fundraiser.
Alderman Soucy
My Ward 5 meeting will be a Q&A constituent coffee held Friday, July 11 th from 6:30- 7:45 p.m. at the
new Dunkin Donuts. If you have a Ward 5 address, the coffee is on me.
Alderman Sheehan
I’d like to echo the expression of gratitude for the Solider Pitts and happy birthday to my son.
Alderman Chasse
I don’t want to be the bad guy not sponsoring anything but there were already a lot of sponsors. I don’t
usually sponsor things because I don’t want to look stupid if I change my vote.
Alderman McCarthy
Last Friday, the B.I.D.A. met at the School Street parking lot to discuss the development proposal and it
was a good and productive meeting and I’ll be drafting some amendments to the legislation to bring back
to the Planning Committee next week.
President Deane
Happy Birthday to Alderman Caron who was on June 8th and to Alderman Sheehan as well. Thursday’s
budget meeting has been cancelled due to the Joint Special Committee meeting.
Committee announcements:
Alderman Donchess
The Infrastructure Committee meets tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. in the Aldermanic Chamber.
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Alderman Moriarty
Tuesday, July 1st, is Planning and Economic Development Committee meeting at 7:00 p.m. We have
Kerrie Diers, Executive Director of the NRPC will be talking about development on 101A.
Alderman Dowd
The Construction Committee is on Thursday at Nashua High School North at 7:00 p.m. and the Joint
School Building is at 8:00 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE THAT THE JUNE 24, 2014, MEETING
OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN BE ADJOURNED
MOTION CARRIED
The meeting was declared adjourned at 9:53 p.m.
Attest: Paul R. Bergeron, City Clerk