Finance Committee
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · March 20, 2013
Minutes
REPORT OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE
MARCH 20, 2013
A meeting of the Finance Committee was held on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 at 7:00 p.m. in the
Aldermanic Chamber.
Mayor Donnalee Lozeau, Chair, presided.
Members of the Committee present: Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire, Vice Chair
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Alderman June M. Caron
Members not in Attendance: Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
Also in Attendance: Karen Smith, Business Manager, NPD
Captain Hammond, NPD
Sergeant Harvey, NPD
PUBLIC COMMENT
COMMUNICATIONS
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Purchase of Two Police Dogs Requested by Nashua Police Department (Value: $13,000)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE
FROM TBLACKK9 IN THE AMOUNT OF $13,000. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN DEPARTMENT 150,
POLICE DEPARTMENT; DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DRUG FORFEITURE FUND; 71, EQUIPMENT
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Deane
I have a question on the funding on our reoccurring cost and how that is going to be handled.
Mayor Lozeau
Is it a question you think the police could answer or is it a question you think the CFO needs to answer?
Alderman Deane
I have an option?
Mayor Lozeau
They are all here tonight.
Alderman Deane
I know; this is unusual. Probably the police department because they are the ones dealing with the fund.
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Alderman Pressly
I have an initial question. Did we lose one of the two dogs that we already met?
Mayor Lozeau
We have two dogs that are retiring.
Alderman Pressly
Oh, they were beautiful.
Alderman Deane
Do they get a pension?
Karen Smith
No, they don’t.
Mayor Lozeau
Based on their diet, I’m not sure they’ll live long enough to enjoy it even if they had one.
Alderman Deane
Other than the names, I don’t know what you’re going to call them. One is Arex Vom Hugelblick and the
other one is Tango. But my question is the reoccurring cost of maintenance of the dog. Is the dog going to
remain with its handler all the time?
Karen Smith
Yes. This is a replacement dog. The costs are items that we’ve already had in our budget as far as any
related expenses. The trainer when they train, contract items that are already established in their contract.
There’s no new costs involved.
Alderman Deane
That’s already budgeted.
Karen Smith
Yes. I will add, though, that any new costs associated with purchasing these dogs to set them up will be
from forfeiture funds, but as far as the regular maintenance items for feeding the dog, those types of things,
those are regularly budget. There will have to be a new kennel because obviously there’s a new dog being
held at a different trainer. Those will be items that we’ll be purchasing through forfeiture funds to establish
those purchases.
Alderman Deane
Each animal is going to have one handler, period, right?
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Unidentified Speaker
Yes.
Alderman Deane
And that one handler, what do they do with the dog, take the dog home at night?
Mayor Lozeau
I see all heads are nodding yes including the liaison. Alderman Wilshire is nodding yes.
Alderman Deane
And then the department pays for the food and bed fills?
Karen Smith
That’s included in our original budget.
Alderman Deane
That was just my question. Good luck.
Alderman Pressly
I’d just like to say that one of the highlights of police program that you offered to us was to meet your two
beautiful dogs. Are those the dogs that are retiring?
Captain Hammond
No. The two dogs that retired, actually, one of them was Sgt Harvey’s. We retired that dog in late 2009.
The other dog retired in late 2011.
Alderman Pressly
So you have a K9 staff of four?
Captain Hammond
This is going to bring us up to four.
Alderman Pressly
They are wonderful, wonderful creatures. It sort of takes me back to the days where we had mounted
police.
Mayor Lozeau
Don’t be any ideas.
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Alderman Pressly
I hope you have a lot of space. I really do believe that people respond differently to animals. They can bite
and kick where people don’t. I think it’s a great tool that we have. I hope we get to meet these two. Do you
have nicknames for them?
Sergeant Harvey
Tango and Arex. The one with the very long name will just be Arex.
Alderman Pressly
Are you going to be the handler of that dog?
Sergeant Harvey
No, I’ll be the sergeant in charge. The two handlers have been named: Officer Michael Langley and Office
Eric Walker.
Alderman Pressly
Are they used exclusively for the driver or do you find them used in other
Captain Hammond
They perform their normal duties. They go out in cars. They patrol sectors. When there is a call for a dog,
they’ll respond to that dog.
Alderman Pressly
I think they’re a wonderful part of your team.
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Manchester Street Bridge Study & Design Contract Amendment #4 (Value: $13,826)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE AMENDMENT #4
TO THE CONTRACT WITH CLD CONSULTING ENGINEERS FOR A NET CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT
OF $13,826. SOURCE OF FUNDING IS DEPARTMENT 160, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION/
ENGINEERING; CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND; MANCHESTER STREET BRIDGE
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Deane
Is this bridge actually ever going to get built?
Mayor Lozeau
I knew you were going to ask that question.
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Alderman Deane
I was on the Board of Public Works when we did Tinker, Thornton and the one down on Searles Road. We
were just waiting for some discussion to be had with Merrimack. Here it is 13 years later or whatever and
we’re still doing amendments. It’s like five strides and you’re on the other side of it.
Mayor Lozeau
I understand. The answer, Alderman Deane, is that apparently over the 13 years we’ve talked about there
was delay because the Town of Merrimack didn’t have it in one of its priorities so it was waiting until they
moved it up to a priority for their share of the funding. Then I know since I’ve come on the biggest problem
has been the issue surrounding historic resources. Multiple drafts of what the bridge design would be like,
what the height would be like. As a matter of fact, at the last Board of Public Works meeting, I told him that
I had thought that we had gone with the high design. There was a low, a mid and a high. I thought we went
with the high design because they wanted to make sure that the granite blocks would be seen.
Alderman Deane
Don’t we have to keep the bridge that’s there?
Mayor Lozeau
We do.
Alderman Deane
In tact underneath it.
Mayor Lozeau
That’s my understanding. I was actually incorrect. The city engineer was not at the last meeting so it’d
really the mid level bridge that we’re going with. My understanding is that we expect to have the contract
out for construction in September and then the work will begin. That’s where we are right now.
Alderman Deane
Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Purchase of Special Bollards Change Order #2 (Value: $8,561)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND AUTHORIZE CHANGE
ORDER #2 TO THE CONTRACT WITH SWENSON GRANITE FOR A NET CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT
OF $8,561. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN DEPARTMENT 161, STREETS DEPARTMENT; GENERAL
FUND ESCROWS; MAIN STREET PROJECT
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
These are the bollards for Block 2.
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Alderman Deane
At our last finance meeting, we had the curbing, right?
Mayor Lozeau
We had the curbing. We the light poles, and we had the lights.
Alderman Deane
And this is the same price?
Mayor Lozeau
They held their price from last time. Right behind we’ll just keep going. Hopefully Block 3 and get these
done.
Alderman Deane
What’s that?
Mayor Lozeau
I said this is for Block 2. Hopefully Block 3 will be coming not far behind it.
Alderman Caron
Since you have another block, wouldn’t be a good idea to do Block 3 and try to keep that at the same price?
Mayor Lozeau
That is a good idea, and that is what we’re looking at. That’s why I said Block 3 might be right behind it.
Alderman Caron
Okay, alright. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Contract Award for Broad Street Parkway Architectural Historian Services Tasks 6 Thru 12
(Value: $88,352);
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND, CONTINGENT UPON
FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AMENDMENT APPROVAL, AWARD THE CONTRACT TO
HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION IN AN AMOUNT NOT-TO-EXCEED $88,352. SOURCE OF FUNDING IS
DEPARTMENT 160, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION/ENGINEERING; CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND;
BROAD STREET PARKWAY
MOTION CARRIED
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From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Broad Street Parkway Bridge Phase Final Design Amendment #1 (Value: $43,944)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND, CONTINGENT UPON
FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AMENDMENT APPROVAL, AUTHORIZE AMENDMENT #1
TO THE CONTRACT WITH FAY SPOFFORD & THORNDIKE FOR A NET CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT
OF $43,944. FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN DEPARTMENT 160, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION/
ENGINEERING; CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND; BROAD STREET PARKWAY
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Pressly
Are these the final designs that you will be bringing to the joint meeting again or can you fill me in a little bit
what these are for and what has really been chosen?
Mayor Lozeau
Probably the best thing to do is start with the memo that follows after the blue page. The Board of Public
Works breaks it down into the four items that this is going to speak to. Revision of the river bridge design.
What’s behind that is instead of having the bridge with a long retaining wall which would have it ten feet
above grade, we’ve determined that we can actually put it on the ground without the retaining wall. The first
piece of this contract would be to redesign that without the retaining wall. The second piece is the bridge
rail and surface treatment enhancements which have to be designed to be part of the third item which is the
bid alternatives; those things that we talked about in our last joint meeting. In order to get a price on those
to know if we want to go forward, they have to do some design work. The last one is the GeoTech
engineering which relates to the ground around the Baldwin and Fairmount Street bridges for the two
bridges. As you recall in the joint meeting, the Baldwin Street bridge and the Fairmount Street bridge,
remember we had like two large archways, a small one under the railroad kind of giving it a bit of a tunnel
look and a wider one over the road. We all agreed that it probably wasn’t a good idea to spend the money
to try to make that look that way in that location. This is based on that joint meeting and then a follow up
meeting at the Board of Public Works. This is to say we’re going to take those out, but let’s look at
landscaping. Can we do some landscaping things around there to take that look down a bit affordably.
That’s what that is.
Alderman Pressly
Do you think it would be appropriate to bring this final design work to the full Board?
Mayor Lozeau
As soon as we get bids on some of it. But yes, I do think that …
Alderman Pressly
Just sort of for final stamp of approval.
Mayor Lozeau
You’ll see some rails and things like that.
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Alderman Pressly
I think on the design work there was quite a variety of reaction. I think they would like to at least have some
idea what the final choice is.
Mayor Lozeau
I agree.
Alderman Pressly
If we approve this, you’re going to just go out for bid, is that it?
Mayor Lozeau
No.
Alderman Pressly
You’re going to do it.
Mayor Lozeau
If we approve this, they’re going to start the work. As part of that work, they can come in and meet with us
again, provide something for us to talk about. What I’m trying to say to you is we will have a joint meeting
again. We will talk more about design.
Alderman Pressly
Okay because the word says final. Sometimes final doesn’t mean just final, final, final, final.
Mayor Lozeau
Part of it is about the bid alternative. Let’s just say we go out and say we want you to give us more ideas
about this and costs. They’ll design some things. The one thing that the Board of Public Works did vote to
do was to put the outlooks on each side of the river bridge so people can step on the side of the bridge and
look out over. That little round area. That’s the one thing for certain the Board of Public Works agreed we
should have on the river bridge. That’s $100,000 cost. All of those other items are still in play, still being
discussed. You have to start getting some idea around them so when the bid alternatives come in, so let’s
say for instance bid alternatives come in and they say if you want this design, it will cost $100,000. If you
want this design, it will cost $500,000. If you want this one, it’s a million dollars. There will be multiple
conversations along the way.
Alderman Pressly
Thank you, that’s what I was interested in. I think after that meeting a lot of us, I know I did, and I travel with
some friends, and we all started looking at bridges, particularly the mesh and the curb. So we still will have
some choices to make.
Mayor Lozeau
There will still be choices to make.
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Alderman Deane
On the memo in the front, down below in the amendment, it cites NRO 5-90(e).
Mayor Lozeau
This means it’s going to go to the full Board.
Alderman Deane
But if you read what it says, 5-90(e) approval by the finance committee of a contract award in excess of a
million dollars.
Mayor Lozeau
Currently we have a contract with them for just under a million. This amendment will put it over a million.
Alderman Deane
So any amendment here on out has to go to the full board?
Mayor Lozeau
If the design goes over a million dollars, which this will have that happen, it does have to go to the full
Board. After that, I think it would be over a million dollars. Once it’s approved, it’s approved over a million.
If they come back and there’s a $9,000 change, it wouldn’t require going to finance or the full Board.
Alderman Deane
What was the total dollar amount of the original contract?
Mayor Lozeau
Nine hundred and seventy-seven thousand, eight hundred and sixty-three dollars.
Alderman Deane
So $43,944 sends it up to $1,021,807.
Mayor Lozeau
Correct.
Alderman Deane
So it puts it over a million.
Mayor Lozeau
Right.
Alderman Deane
So my question is if any other amendments come in, do they have to be approved by the full Board as well?
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Mayor Lozeau
No.
Alderman Deane
Just by the finance committee.
Mayor Lozeau
Correct, within the scope of the finance committee responsibility. Any amendments that are $10,000 or
greater.
Alderman Deane
I know that part. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED
From: Robert Gabriel, Purchasing Manager
Re: Broad Street Parkway Roadway Phase Final Design Amendment #1 (Value: $51,662)
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND, CONTINGENT UPON
FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AMENDMENT APPROVAL, AUTHORIZE AMENDMENT #1
TO THE CONTRACT WITH HAYNER/SWANSON FOR A NET CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT OF $51,662.
SOURCE OF FUNDING IS DEPARTMENT 160, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION/ENGINEERING;
CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND; BROAD STREET PARKWAY
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
This one, Alderman Pressly, has three components. One is the profile of the road now that we’re not going
to have the retaining wall which we talked about in the last one. It also is talking about the timber bridges
on Baldwin Street and Fairmount Street to do an analysis on whether we can move those and reuse those
in another site. The last thing it does is the permitting for the Nashua canal where there’s an outlet that is
considered a dam. We have to do some permitting around that. If you head into the Millyard and you head
towards the Peter Bonnette property, there’s almost like a little peak there at the tip. As you drive down the
Pine Street Extension and you head to the left like you’re going to go to where the community music school
in that general area, there’s a little waterworks going on there. That’s what the third piece is for.
Alderman Deane
I’m a little shocked that we’d pay somebody to do an analysis on two bridges to move them somewhere
else. How does that fall under the use of these parkway funds or federal highway dollars?
Mayor Lozeau
It’s a requirement under our agreement with Historic Resources, that the bridges that we’re going to replace
are historic trestle bridges. The expectation is that we have to determine whether it’s feasible that they can
be moved or not.
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Alderman Deane
Was Historic Resources around when they redid the Baldwin Street bridge? I’m just saying this is
ridiculous.
Mayor Lozeau
The Historic Resources, I think that there’s a time and a place for all of it, but it has been a very expensive
journey with Historic Resources on this project.
Alderman Deane
I can understand some of their issues or responsibilities or concerns but especially as it pertains to buildings
but this doesn’t make any sense. Those bridges have never been structurally sound enough to carry a
concrete truck over them. The Fairmount Street bridge anyway. The Baldwin Street bridge couldn’t do that
to begin with. It doesn’t make any sense to be spending money on that.
Mayor Lozeau
We potentially have a few locations where they may be able to be used. I think it makes sense to reuse
them if we can. We’ve talked about the parcel between Gate City Fence and the Police Training Building.
That’s over the back of the canal. That could potentially be a good location for one of these. The location
that we talked about at Mohawk Tannery where EPA right now is doing a study for us at their cost to
determine if there’s any clear land there at Mohawk Tannery that we can subdivide a piece off, potentially
put a bridge there to extend it into pedestrian Mine Falls Park locations. If there is an opportunity to use
them again, it would be great to be able to use them again. I don’t know if we will but at least on this one I
think the cost of building bridges in some of those locations could be quite expensive. If we could use these
and expose the trestles and didn’t let vehicle traffic use them, even the rotary park on Main Street. The
design of that included a bridge from one side of the park to the other side of the park. If one of these could
be used there. Again just for pedestrian traffic, not vehicle traffic, it might be worth trying.
Alderman Deane
Where is the money coming to do this?
Mayor Lozeau
It depends on its location, and it depends on if Historic Resources wants to use it. It’s very much like the
waste house or the D F Shea building, another name for it. Historic Resources, we have to investigate the
feasibility and the cost associated with moving that building and keeping it within the manufacturing district.
The project costs, we’ll have to pay for that. If there’s another piece that needs to be reused because of the
feasibility shows that the bridge can be used, we’ll have to see how that plays out.
Alderman Deane
Thank you. I will not be supporting this.
Alderman Pressly
I would like to speak in support of these historic bridges. Our history is not just buildings. It’s the way we
lived, the way we walked and the way we drove. Those bridges have been critical to this part, to the
Millyard and to those neighborhoods. If they can become footbridges and add connections for pedestrians,
I think it’s great. I’d like to also say we don’t have any local historians really involved, I don’t think. The
Historic District Commission is not involved in this. The Historical Society is not. The only professionals we
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have involved are the people from out of town. Although it may seem expensive, I think it’s been part of this
project from the very beginning. I think the bridges are worth reusing along with all of the parts that we
have. If there are other structural. We had also talked about there might be some gates left over from the
boiler house. We were trying to find them. The doors. You have them?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes, we have the boiler doors. They are on site. We maintain them. They’re very heavy.
Alderman Pressly
They are still at the boiler house?
Mayor Lozeau
They are. One of the things that we’ve talked about is I’d really like to see if we can move them. Put them
upright and put them as an entrance along the Canal still in that district and maybe with a plaque that says
what they are and where they are from and walk through them like you’re strolling in the park.
Alderman Pressly
This I totally support because this really was an industrial site. I think it’s important to have the symbols. If
those bridges look a little old and rickety, that’s probably appropriate too. This is one of the oldest. We
were known for our industrial involvement and leadership in those days so I support any way that we can
recycle what’s there and highlight the working part of the Millyard. Thank you.
MOTION CARRIED
UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
NEW BUSINESS – None
DISCUSSION
RECORD OF EXPENDITURES
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS COMPLIED WITH THE
CITY CHARTER AND ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO THE RECORD OF EXPENDITURES FOR THE
PERIOD MARCH 1, 2013 TO MARCH 14, 2013
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Deane
If I find a dollar amount and there’s parenthesis around it, what does that mean?
Mayor Lozeau
Generally a negative.
Alderman Deane
So it’s a negative. If a check was cut in error, it’s still processed. Is that how it works?
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Mayor Lozeau
Yes because you don’t want to void a check and not demonstrate that you wrote it to begin with. It’s an
accounting, auditing. That way you don’t have any missing check numbers when your auditors come in.
Alderman Deane
So if I find a negative sign, I’ll just find parenthesis. I won’t find any negative signs any longer?
Mayor Lozeau
It’s likely parenthesis but I can’t promise that you’ll never find a minus sign. That will happen from time to
time.
Alderman Deane
Does that mean the same thing?
Mayor Lozeau
It does.
Alderman Deane
I’m glad my colleagues are so up-to-date on this. I just had to ask for myself.
MOTION CARRIED
PUBLIC COMMENT
POSSIBLE NON-PUBLIC SESSION
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ADJOURN
MOTION CARRIED
The Finance Committee meeting was adjourned at 7:29 p.m.
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Committee Clerk, pro tem