Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee
Regular MeetingNashua, NH · July 14, 2011
Minutes
PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE
JULY 14, 2011
A meeting of the Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee was held on Thursday, July 14, 2011, at 7:00
p.m. in the Aldermanic Chamber.
Chairman Ben Clemons presided.
Members of the Committee present: Alderman Kathy Vitale, Vice Chairman
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
Alderman Paul M. Chasse, Jr.
Members Not in Attendance:
Also in Attendance: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Chairman Clemons
One of the members of this Board and also this committee passed away at the beginning of this week. That
was Alderman Flynn. In remembrance of him, I would ask for a moment of silence.
PUBLIC COMMENT - None
INTERVIEWS
Hunt Building Board of Trustees
Tammy L. Crisp (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: December 31, 2015
Chairman Clemons
Tonight we have interviews. I would ask the Mayor to please come forward. I should note, for the record, I
don’t see anyone in the audience, which is where there is no public comment.
Mayor Lozeau
Thank you Mr. Chairman. This evening with me is Mrs. Tammy Crisp who is a native of our community. I am
pleased to present her to the committee tonight for your consideration for the Hunt Building Board of Trustees.
I was approached by Tammy expressing her interest in getting involved with the Hunt Committee especially
now with all of the new things going on with the construction, it is really a good time to be a participant.
As you know, I often tell you that one of the things I look for is different skill sets that people could bring to the
table when they participate on different boards or commissions. Interestingly enough, Tammy hosted a lot of
events at the Hunt building where she put on, as she refers to them, galas, for their neighborhood. As the
Hunt building is doing its work right now, one of the things that they are looking at that they are considering is
the different ways to be able to generate income from the building whether it is leasing out office space that
they have designed or banquet space as I have just described. Those are some of the things they are looking
at. I think that is an interesting perspective that she would bring to the table having been somebody that used
that space a lot, and I think that would be very helpful with them moving forward. I am happy to present her
for your consideration.
Chairman Clemons
Thank you very much. Ms. Crisp do you have anything you would like to say to the committee?
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Tammy L. Crisp
I just want to say thank you to the Mayor, and that I am very excited to join the Hunt, especially now in the
middle of the renovations. I just hope I can bring to the table anything that they need and I’m here to help and
devote my time. It is just a very exciting time for the Hunt building so I am glad to be part of it.
Chairman Clemons
Thank you very much. I will open it up to questions of the committee if there are any.
Alderman Chasse
What is Project Safeguard?
Tammy L. Crisp
It is a project I run at Rivier College that the police come in. It is for the children who leave elementary school
and go on to junior high and high school. It is like a drug safety program, mentoring, peer pressure, things like
that. I put on a big seminar. From both Infant Jesus and St. Christopher Schools the parents and the children
of all of the 6th graders come. It is a day long event with keynote speakers and lunch. The kids love it. They
get a lot of insight as to what to expect when they go to junior high and high school.
Alderman Chasse
We could probably use that on this Board of Aldermen ha?
Tammy L. Crisp
It is a fun day. The kids get a lot out of it. I get great feedback from the parents for planning the day. There
are probably about 350 total that come to that. It is exciting, it is a good day.
Alderman Chasse
Thank you.
Tammy L. Crisp
You are welcome.
Chairman Clemons
Anything further? I will just say, for the record, thank you very much for stepping forward and being willing to
volunteer. I am sure that you will be a good asset to the board of trustees. We will take up your appointment
in a little bit.
Tammy L. Crisp
Thank you.
Chairman Clemons
Thank you very much.
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Nashua Arts Commission
Susan S. Quinn (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: April 1, 2012
Chairman Clemons
For the record, I don’t see that Susan Quinn is with us this evening so we will I guess do that interview at a
later date.
COMMUNICATIONS - None
APPLICATION TO LICENSE HAWKER'S, PEDDLER'S, ITINERANT VENDOR'S LICENSE - None
APPOINTMENTS BY THE MAYOR
Airport Authority
Dennis Stephens (Reappointment) Term to Expire: August 31, 2016
9 Byron Drive
Nashua, NH 03062
Hunt Building Board of Trustees
Tammy L. Crisp (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: December 31, 2015
7 Bartlett Avenue
Nashua, NH 03064
Nashua Arts Commission
Susan S. Quinn (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: April 1, 2012
15 Hollyhock Avenue
Nashua, NH 03062
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO RECOMMEND CONFIRMATION OF THE FOLLOWING
APPOINTMENTS BY THE MAYOR: TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, THE REAPPOINTMENT OF DENNIS
STEPHENS FOR A TERM TO EXPIRE AUGUST 31, 2016 AND TO THE HUNT BUILDING BOARD OF
TRUSTEES THE APPOINTMENT OF TAMMY L. CRISP FOR A TERM TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 31, 2015
MOTION CARRIED
UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
NEW BUSINESS – RESOLUTIONS
R-11-130
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman Michael J. Tabacsko
Alderman Jeffrey T. Cox
Alderman Diane Sheehan
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
REFUNDING THE YMCA’S PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE TAX YEAR STARTING
APRIL 1, 2011
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MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO RECOMMEND FINAL PASSAGE
ON THE QUESTION
Mayor Lozeau
Thank you Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity to present this to the committee tonight. I know that it
must feel a little bit unusual why are we looking at something where we are taking this kind of action on taxes
coming in. The reason is actually quite simple. When we negotiated the contract with the Y and the lease and
everything that came before this board, there was a provision in it that spoke to the real estate taxes, and that
provision laid out that we anticipated that there would be no tax, no real estate taxes would be imposed on this
lot. We negotiated in good faith with a certain amount of money that we were going to receive from them each
year. It had an escalation in it and it was based on a lot of the different scenarios that we wanted to talk
about; what we would do with those dollars, you may recall we talked about using some of those to maintain
that property, the parking lot, and things like that.
So we negotiated that lease, everybody sign on, we got it through the Board, everything was done, and along
came April 1st, which is a magic day in tax world, and that date has the City Assessing Office assessing taxes.
When it did, it assessed the taxes on the Y property because the Y was not yet occupying that space because
it was under construction. Now that has happened in this community before for other properties or properties
not being used as they were intended. Some of you may recall some time ago when St. Francis stopped
being used as a church, taxes were applied, there was a lawsuit that followed, and the City prevailed in that
lawsuit because the facility was not being used for its intended purpose that would be tax exempt. We have
had different non-profits look at buying property in the community and have had taxes and circumstances like
that.
The only way to take care of this problem is to come before the legislative body. It is not something the tax
assessors could waive. It is something that was an unanticipated consequence. It didn’t occur to any of us
when we were negotiating that would happen. If they would have been occupied and operating April 1st it
wouldn’t have happened. I look at this as revenue the City wouldn’t have had, had we known, it might have
been planned a little bit differently, but because we have a document where we agreed that taxes wouldn’t be
paid, the only way that I could see to take care of that would be have them pay their taxes and then come to
this board and ask the Board to refund those taxes, and that is what I am here for tonight.
Chairman Clemons
Thank you.
Alderman Chasse
What is the dollar amount?
Mayor Lozeau
It is about $73,000. Significantly more than they would have ever anticipated.
Alderman Chasse
And they will never pay taxes again because they are non-profit?
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Mayor Lozeau
Well actually they…
Alderman Chasse
Because of our agreement.
Mayor Lozeau
…because of our agreement. You are not automatically free from paying taxes simply by being a non-profit.
You still have to demonstrate annually that you have a charitable cause as well. Really the prevailing item in
this circumstance is the agreement that we have. But they will be making a payment to the City every year,
and it will be escalating as time goes forward, and it is our hope and it was our intention when we did that to
put those dollars in a fund to maintain that general property. It is something that I am hopeful that I’m going to
be back in the next year or so with a similar agreement for Conway Ice Arena to have them pay into the same
fund for the same purpose rather than right now they take the monies that they would spend and they give it
out in charity, which I think is a wonderful thing, and I think they will still be able to that, but I would like to
negotiate a similar thing.
Alderman Chasse
I guess seeing we signed an agreement with them already and it is dated back to April 1st, I don’t see a
problem with this.
Alderman Vitale
You mentioned the payments to the City and that they would escalate over time and be used to maintain the
property. I think that was done maybe when I wasn’t on the board. Is there any way that we can see that?
Mayor Lozeau
Sure.
Alderman Vitale
So if anybody ever asks questions about why they are not I would have that available for them.
Mayor Lozeau
Oh sure. I would be happy to provide that.
Alderman Vitale
And also is that one of the funds then that you are looking at to maybe tap into to work on that parking lot?
Mayor Lozeau
Yes.
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Alderman Vitale
Okay. Which is in dire need.
Mayor Lozeau
There is not enough money in those funds yet. As you recall, that parking lot is actually built on a landfill,
which is why it gets, I like to say like the old Bradlees parking lot, which is now Main Street Marketplace so
there are some inherent problems already in that parking lot, but if I could get Conway and the Y all
participating in putting some money in the pot and the City, I think we would be in a much better stead to
maintain that the way all of us would like to see it, especially now that it is getting more use with Stellos.
Conway is interested in putting another sheet of ice on so we will be coming in to talk about that and what that
means and what does that mean to the city garage. But as we make that kind of a go to center; Mine Falls,
new boat ramp, all of that going in, I think it is going to be important to us to have that in good stead.
Alderman Vitale
I would say especially when it is raining.
Mayor Lozeau
Yes.
Alderman Vitale
Thank you.
Chairman Clemons
Is there anything further from the committee? I couldn’t agree with you more Mayor. I think it is something
that we should do. It is following the agreement. I have no problem supporting it. Is there any further
discussion? The motion before us is to recommend final passage of R-11-130.
MOTION CARRIED
Mayor Lozeau
Mr. Chairman I did bring a copy of the provision of the agreement that speaks to the real estate taxes. Would
you like it for the record that the Clerk is putting together?
Chairman Clemons
That would be great. Thank you.
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CRAFFEY THAT THE RULES BE SO FAR SUSPENDED AS TO ALLOW FOR
THE INTRODUCTION OF A COMMUNICATION RECEIVED AFTER THE AGENDA WAS PREPARED
MOTION CARRIED
From: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Re: Real Estate Taxes – R-11-130
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CRAFFEY TO ACCEPT AND PLACE ON FILE
MOTION CARRIED
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NEW BUSINESS – ORDINANCES
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO TABLE O-11-75, O-11-77, AND 0-11-78
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Chasse
I spoke with the endorsers of these ordinances. They could not make it tonight, and they asked that they be
tabled.
MOTION CARRIED
O-11-75
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
RELATIVE TO THE USE OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES DURING MEETINGS
O-11-77
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
RELATIVE TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION DURING COMMITTEE MEETINGS
O-11-78
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
REMOVING THE PROVISION FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF
ALDERMEN TO ASSUME A COMMITTEE CHAIR
Chairman Clemons
I will say, in regard to that, there are some pieces of legislation there that, under normal circumstances, I think
we should have taken up regardless of our past practices. However, because we had a loss on this board and
out of respect for those members who attended services today and yesterday, I think that was the appropriate
action.
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO TAKE FROM THE TABLE R-10-60
MOTION CARRIED
R-10-60
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Mark S. Cookson
Alderman Richard P. Flynn
Alderman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Kathy Vitale
PROVIDING FOR A REVIEW AND UPDATE OF THE MERIT PLAN
• Also assigned to the Budget Review Committee; Tabled at Jt. Mtg. - 12/2/10
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CLEMONS TO RECOMMEND INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT
MOTION CARRIED
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TABLED IN COMMITTEE
Resolutions
R-11-111
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Mark S. Cookson
Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR DIRECTORS AND INTERIM
OFFICERS SELECTED TO MANAGE PENNICHUCK CORPORATION
• Tabled 6/9/11
Ordinances
O-10-23
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
ESTABLISHING AN OMBUDSMAN FOR THE CITY OF NASHUA AND AUTHORIZING
THE TRANSFER OF $60,000 FROM ACCOUNT 591-86005 “FY2011 GENERAL
CONTINGENCY” INTO ACCOUNT 501-53 “MAYOR’S OFFICE – PROFESSIONAL
SERVICES”
• Also assigned to Budget Review Committee; Tabled 8/5/10
• Tabled 8/12/10
O-10-29
Endorser: Alderman Diane Sheehan
PERMITTING AMPLIFIED SOUND IN GREELEY PARK WITH A DECIBEL LEVEL
LIMITATION
• Also assigned to Board of Public Works; Favorable Recommendation Issued 8/2/10
• Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee Recommended Indefinite Postponement 8/24/10
• Re-Referred to Committee - 9/15/10
• Tabled 10/14/10
O-11-57
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Alderman-at-Large Mark S. Cookson
PROVIDING FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DIVISION AND THE ASSESSORS DEPARTMENT
• Tabled 3/10/11
DISCUSSION - None
PUBLIC COMMENT - None
REMARKS BY THE ALDERMEN
Alderman McCarthy
I’m actually disappointed that we tabled those pieces of legislation because I wouldn’t have come if I had
known they weren’t going to get taken up. They are on the agenda, and I specifically wanted to address O-11-
78, which I believe should be indefinitely postponed.
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Chairman Clemons
We can talk about them now under general discussion if you would like.
Alderman McCarthy
The provision that is referred to there has been used twice, in my knowledge, on the board. Once was at a
time when I found that four members of the Budget Committee wanted a meeting scheduled to take up a
specific piece of legislation and there was reluctance to schedule a meeting. If I take Mason’s Rules here and
I open to rule #1: “It is necessary that every deliberative body be governed by rules of procedure in order that
the will of a majority of its members may be determined and revealed in an orderly manner”, which is the
purpose of four members asking for a meeting to be scheduled and a meeting being scheduled. This rule
does nothing but help to meet that cause. The other case where it was used, ironically, is when the sponsor of
this piece of legislation asked me to cancel last night’s Infrastructure meeting. Were this in place I would have
been powerless to do that on Tuesday night when the request was made.
I see no good cause for making this change to the rules, and would encourage the committee to indefinitely
postpone that piece of legislation.
Chairman Clemons
I couldn’t agree with you more. I think having been a part of that discussion earlier about the Budget
Committee and seeing the actions or the inactions that were taking place as well as the action that was taking
place last night ironically as you say by the sponsor of this very legislation. It is clear to me that this is not
necessary legislation. Out of respect for the sponsor, I will support keeping it on the table this evening, but it
will definitely not get my support in the future.
Is there further discussion this evening?
Alderman Chasse
I tabled it because I was asked by the endorser to do it, regardless of how I feel about it. When it comes back
to the table I make my decision then, but out of respect.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN CHASSE TO ADJOURN
MOTION CARRIED
The meeting was declared closed at 7:20 p.m.
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
Committee Clerk
8. Signage. Tenant may maintain a building identification sign on Lot 2224 (at such
location on Lot 2224 as Tenant detennines) or on Lot 1359, at a location near or adjacent to
Riverside Street.
9. Swim Teams. Tenant shall allow the swim teams at Nashua High School North
and Nashua High School South to use for practices at least two (2) lanes in the swimming pool
(at the Facility) on school days during the interscholastic swimming season at times mutually
agreeable between the YMCA and the Nashua School District. Tenant may enter into an
agreement with the Nashua School District for costs and reimbursement in connection with the
provision of such service and include therewith other tenns and conditions which may be
customary or necessary for such arrarigements, including provisions governing insurance and
liability.
10. Real Estate Taxes. Landlord and Tenant anticipate that no real estate taxes will
be imposed on Lot 2224, the Facility or other improvements made by Tenant at Lot 2224 or Lot
1359; except for taxes which may be imposed by a governmental entity unaffiliated with the City
of Nashua (such as the State of New Hampshire). Tenant recognizes that it will be required to
file with the City of Nashua and qualify for a chartable exemption from such taxes pursuant to
RSA 72:23 and related provisions.
11. PSNHlJoint Use. At any time after the execution of this Lease, Tenant may
negotiate with Public Service Company of New Hampshire to enter into a so-called joint use
agreement regarding Lot 2224, Lot 1359 and the easement in favor of Public Service Company
of New Hampshire (as depicted on the Plan) to enable Tenant to develop and use Lot 2224 for
the Facility and make such uses of Lot 1359 (for access. parking and utility services) as maybe
contemplated by this Lease andlor necessary or desirable for the use of Lot 2224 and the Facility.
12. Utilities and Utility Interruption.
A. Tenant shall pay for all costs and expenses incurred in connection with
utilities servicing the Premises and the Facility, including, without limitation, water. sanitary
sewer service, natural gas, electric power, telephone and other telecommunication services, and
other such utilities servicing the Premises and the Facility.
B. Landlord shall have no responsibility or liability to Tenant in connection
with the intelTUption of any utility services due to any accident, to the making of repairs,
alterations or improvements, to labor difficulties, to trouble in obtaining fuel, electricity or
supplies from the sources from which they are usually obtained or to any cause beyond the
Landlord's control.
13. Ongoine Environmental Matters.
A. During the pendency of this Agreement, Tenant may directly
communicate WIth the New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services (''DES'') to
establish any approval. protocol. agreement or other arrangement with DES to pennit the
construction and use of the Facility. recognizing that there are certain subsurface environmental
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Agenda
PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE AGENDA
JULY 14, 2011
7:00 PM Aldermanic Chamber
ROLL CALL
PUBLIC COMMENT
INTERVIEWS
Hunt Building Board of Trustees
Tammy L. Crisp (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: December 31, 2015
Nashua Arts Commission
Susan S. Quinn (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: April 1, 2012
COMMUNICATIONS - None
APPLICATION TO LICENSE HAWKER'S, PEDDLER'S, ITINERANT VENDOR'S LICENSE - None
APPOINTMENTS BY THE MAYOR
Airport Authority
Dennis Stephens (Reappointment) Term to Expire: August 31, 2016
9 Byron Drive
Nashua, NH 03062
Nashua Arts Commission
Susan S. Quinn (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: April 1, 2012
15 Hollyhock Avenue
Nashua, NH 03062
UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
NEW BUSINESS – RESOLUTIONS
R-11-130
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
Alderman Michael J. Tabacsko
Alderman Jeffrey T. Cox
Alderman Diane Sheehan
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
REFUNDING THE YMCA’S PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE TAX YEAR STARTING
APRIL 1, 2011
NEW BUSINESS – ORDINANCES
O-11-75
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
RELATIVE TO THE USE OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES DURING MEETINGS
O-11-77
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
RELATIVE TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION DURING COMMITTEE MEETINGS
O-11-78
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
REMOVING THE PROVISION FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF
ALDERMEN TO ASSUME A COMMITTEE CHAIR
TABLED IN COMMITTEE
Appointments by the Mayor
Hunt Building Board of Trustees
Tammy L. Crisp (New Appointment) For a Term to Expire: December 31, 2015
7 Bartlett Avenue
Nashua, NH 03064
• Tabled 6/9/11
Resolutions
R-10-60
Endorsers: Mayor Donnalee Lozeau
Alderman-at-Large David W. Deane
Alderman-at-Large Mark S. Cookson
Alderman Richard P. Flynn
Alderman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Kathy Vitale
PROVIDING FOR A REVIEW AND UPDATE OF THE MERIT PLAN
• Also assigned to the Budget Review Committee; Tabled at Jt. Mtg. - 12/2/10
R-11-111
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Mark S. Cookson
Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Alderman Arthur T. Craffey, Jr.
REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR DIRECTORS AND INTERIM
OFFICERS SELECTED TO MANAGE PENNICHUCK CORPORATION
• Tabled 6/9/11
Ordinances
O-10-23
Endorser: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
ESTABLISHING AN OMBUDSMAN FOR THE CITY OF NASHUA AND AUTHORIZING
THE TRANSFER OF $60,000 FROM ACCOUNT 591-86005 “FY2011 GENERAL
CONTINGENCY” INTO ACCOUNT 501-53 “MAYOR’S OFFICE – PROFESSIONAL
SERVICES”
• Also assigned to Budget Review Committee; Tabled 8/5/10
• Tabled 8/12/10
O-10-29
Endorser: Alderman Diane Sheehan
PERMITTING AMPLIFIED SOUND IN GREELEY PARK WITH A DECIBEL LEVEL
LIMITATION
• Also assigned to Board of Public Works; Favorable Recommendation Issued 8/2/10
• Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee Recommended Indefinite Postponement 8/24/10
• Re-Referred to Committee - 9/15/10
• Tabled 10/14/10
O-11-57
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Barbara Pressly
Alderman-at-Large Mark S. Cookson
PROVIDING FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DIVISION AND THE ASSESSORS DEPARTMENT
• Tabled 3/10/11
DISCUSSION
PUBLIC COMMENT
REMARKS BY THE ALDERMEN
POSSIBLE NON-PUBLIC SESSION
ADJOURNMENT
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