Town Council
Regular MeetingAlta, UT · March 8, 2023
Minutes
MINUTES
BUDGET COMMITTEE VIRTUAL MEETING
ALTA TOWN COUNCIL VIRTUAL MEETING
Wednesday, March 8, 2023, 2:00 PM
Alta Community Center (virtual), 10351 E. Highway 210, Alta, Utah
PRESENT: Mayor Roger Bourke
Councilmember John Byrne
Councilmember Carolyn Anctil
STAFF PRESENT: John Guldner, Town Administrator
Mike Morey, Town Marshal
Chris Cawley, Assistant Town Administrator
Jen Clancy, Town Clerk
Molly Austin, Deputy Clerk
ALSO PRESENT: Cameron Platt, Legal Counsel
Craig Heimark, Treasurer
NOT PRESENT: Councilmember Sheridan Davis
Councilmember Elise Morgan
TOWN COUNCIL MEETING
1. CALL THE REGULAR TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER AND
DECLARATION
00:00:00
Mayor Bourke called the regular meeting of the Alta Town Council to order for March 8, 2023.
Pursuant to his February 15, 2023 determination Mayor Bourke said that it is in the community’s best
interest to hold this meeting virtually without an anchor location. He announced that both Sheridan
Davis and Elise Morgan were unable to attend the meeting.
2. CITIZEN INPUT
00:00:50
Jen Clancy reported written comment had been received from Rhandir Jhamb, Pat Shea, Craig Heimark,
Eddie Claridge, Kim and Paul Hooper, and Harris Sondak. These comments all expressed kind words
on behalf of John Guldner in light of his retirement from the Town. These comments have been shared
with the town councilmembers and John Guldner and will be a part of this meeting’s minute as Exhibit
A. Upon request from former Mayor Harris Sondak, Jen read his comment which is included in Exhibit
A.
Margaret Bourke asked what is in a name? She said she started with a name, H is for honorable, honest,
humble, humanistic, hardworking, helpful, healthy, happy, hopeful, heuristic or hands on, harmonious
relationships, historic encyclopedia, humane, high-minded, humanitarian, highly regarded, high quality
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humorous, heart to heart, and H is for hortative. Margaret said he was John H. Guldner and attributed
these attributes to him. She said she has personally observed and experience John with these attributes,
and that Alta is blessed to have had his preservationist presence. She shared personal experiences where
John guided her and Roger while they built their home. Margaret thanked John and said he would be
missed.
Tom Pollard said during his time in Alta and on the town council that there has been one constant and
that’s been John. He stated the role John fills goes unnoticed by most. During his time there have been
many challenges and challengers and John has handled them all with grace. His passion for the
preservation of Alta is unmatched and there is no one who knows more about Alta then John. Tom said
that he cant thank John enough for his guidance and being there as a friend while Tom was Mayor. He
said John had worked with so many of the iconic and civic leaders in the state of Utah and SLC. He said
thank you from himself and the Alta community and wished John the best.
John Guldner reflected that it hasn’t been easy but it’s been a real honor to serve for this magic place
and wonderful people for 40 years. He stated that for everyone still here that you must promise to fight
like the devil to keep Alta, Alta.
3. ALTA SKI AREA UPDATE – MIKE MAUGHAN
00:11:00
Mike Maughan was not present to provide an update.
4. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA: FEBRUARY 8, 2023 MEETING MINUTES,
FEBRUARY 23, 2023 SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES, STAFF AND FINANCE
REPORTS
00:11:40
MOTION: John Byrne motioned to approve the consent agenda including the February 8, 2023
meeting minutes, the February 23, 2023 meeting minutes, and the staff and financial reports.
Carolyn Anctil seconded.
VOTE: All in favor. The consent agenda including the February 8, 2023 meeting minutes, the
February 23, 2023 meeting minutes, and the staff and financial reports were unanimously
approved.
5. QUESTIONS REGARDING DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS
00:12:50
There were no questions or comments.
6. MAYOR’S REPORT
00:13:40
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Mayor Bourke commented that we could rerun last month’s report regarding weather and snowfall
because that is what has dominated our scene for essentially the whole winter. He is very impressed
with how the community is handling this, especially our Marshal’s department and dispatchers, UDOT,
UPD, UFA, and the ski lifts. Individually and collectively, they have done an extraordinary job this
winter. Once we get by all this, he proposed some type of recognition.
Mayor Bourke reported they would continue to address and make improvements to the parking situation.
He said a letter of support to Mike Maughan’s parking proposal to exchange some roadside parking for
spaces in the wildcat lot had been submitted to the Forest Service. He said it would be a safety benefit.
He commented the roadside parking at Snowbird is a real problem at the end of the day halting Alta’s
ability to empty its lots.
Mayor Bourke also reported on the struggle with the solution for the bus service. He said the legislature
had enacted 150 million to the Wasatch Front Regional Council exclusively for Big and Little
Cottonwood Canyons for bus service, transit facilities, bus shelters, and no further details. He is looking
forward to that being an assistance in improving our public bus service next year.
Mayor Bourke said a lot of good work has gone into creating the ordinance for the Town Manager and
chief of staff. He called out the efforts of John Byrne and Cameron Platt. He reported the Town had
received 14 applications for the job posting and a rigorous evaluation process is under way.
Mayor Bourke reported there was a Council of Mayor’s meeting on February 16th and that those
meetings are dominated by the problems of homelessness in the greater community. He said that we are
going to host the Council of Mayor’s meeting outside in July during the wildflower peak. He said the
Capital Projects Committee met on February 21 for future project planning. Mayor Bourke reported we
are exhausting our staff this winter with all the snow, the jobs are not getting small, and so he wanted to
prepare the council for proposals to add staff and expect that to be reflected in future budgets. He said
the legislative session is over and we came out pretty unscathed although there were several water and
land use bills that could have adversely affected us. He said he and Chris are signed up for the League
of Cities and Towns mid-year conference in St. George next month. The next council meeting is April
12, 2023 at 2pm, and there may be a work session in advance.
7. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 2023-R-2 REAPPOINTING
THE FOLLOWING PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS: JON NEPSTAD FOR 4
YEARS, JEFF NIERMEYER FOR 5 YEARS, AND ROB VOYE FOR 2 YEARS
00:22:00
Mayor Bourke announced we tend to have long-term serving planning commission members and their
familiarity is great. He said three terms are expiring at once, so he would like to stagger future terms.
Mayor Bourke nominated Jon Nepstad for a four year term, Jeff Niermeyer for a five year term, and Rob
Voye for a two year term. He said this requires concurrence from the council and opened it for
discussion. Carolyn Anctil asked if there were bios for these folks and where they came from, if these
were nominations from the Mayor. Mayor Bourke offered that all three individuals are existing
members of the planning commission and have been for many years and there was a brief discussion
about postponing the resolution to next month. John Byrne offered that the Town’s website was
confusing and out of date regarding the planning commission terms. Cameron clarified that members of
the planning commission would continue to serve until a replacement was appointed and so the
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members would continue to serve and there wouldn’t be any vacancies. Mayor Bourke said the
appointments would be delayed until the next council meeting in April.
8. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 2023-O-1 TO AMEND THE
DOG LICENSE ORDINANCE TO REMOVE THE WATERSHED TAG
REQUIREMENT
00:32:50
Mayor Bourke announced this as a clean-up item. Molly Austin said that historically dogs licensed in
the Town of Alta have been provided with a Town tag and a one-time watershed tag. Salt Lake County
has gone to a different system and is no longer issuing tags, so we are also removing that requirement.
This is an effort to remove the watershed tag language from our ordinance to avoid any confusion.
MOTION: Mayor Bourke motioned to adopt Ordinance 2023-O-1, and John Byrne seconded.
VOTE: All in favor. Ordinance 2023-O-1 was adopted.
9. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 2023-R-3 REPEALING
AND REPLACING DOG LICENSE CLASS NUMBERS
00:34:40
Molly Austin reported that annual renewals for dog tags had wrapped up last month and that a Class A
and Class B license had been forfeited. This resolution would open those tags up in a drawing so that
the total dog licenses would stay the same as last year. Jen Clancy clarified that if a dog in the Class C
group passed away that that owner had 6 months to replace the dog, and that their license was not
automatically forfeited. If a Class C license holder forfeits the license then the council could reallocate
that license to another Class via a drawing.
MOTION: John Byrne motioned to adopt Resolution 2023-R-3, and Carolyn Anctil seconded.
VOTE: All in favor. Resolution 2023-R-3 was adopted.
10. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 2023-R-4 UPDATING THE
FEE SCHEDULE TO REMOVE MENTION OF WATERSHED TAGS
00:39:50
Molly Austin stated this related back to the Ordinance 2023-O-1 that was just passed. We removed
reference to the watershed tags in the ordinance and now want to cleanup the fee schedule.
MOTION: John Byrne motioned to approve Resolution 2023-R-4, and Mayor Bourke
seconded.
VOTE: All in favor. Resolution 2023-R-4 was adopted.
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11. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 2023-O-2 CREATING THE
POSITION OF TOWN MANAGER AND DELEGATING ADMINISTRATIVE
PROVISIONS
00:40:50
Mayor Bourke said that in his opinion, our town needs a person that can effectively be a chief of staff
for our town government. He feels it’s unrealistic that a part-time mayor can function effectively as
such. To clarify what this person will do Mayor Bourke shared his screen showing a rather crude
organizational chart. The chart showed the Mayor and Town Council as co-equals with the Mayor
appointing the Marshal and Town Manager, and the Town Manger overseeing everyone else. Mayor
Bourke reflected that he and Cameron hadn’t communicated very well on this concept and so there was
some confusion in turning the Mayor’s concept into legalese.
John Byrne said he was comfortable with basic ordinance, and changing the name from Town
Administrator to Town Manager. He said he wasn’t comfortable passing the ordinance since he’d just
received a new version that hadn’t been shared with the rest of the council. There was some
conversation about what could and couldn’t be passed with those present today and it was decided to not
proceed but take more time to dial in the language and make sure the full council has received an
updated draft of the ordinance. There was additional conversation about if delaying this ordinance
would have an effect on the hiring of the Town Manager position currently underway especially as it
relates to various appointments being made. Mayor Bourke offered that he felt the advice consent of the
council was only needed for all officers at the Town (Town Manager, Marshal, Clerk, Treasurer, and
other positions created at this level), and below that the Town Manager could make decisions
autonomously. Further action on the ordinance was differed until next month.
12. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE AN INTERLOCAL
COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT (ILA) WITH SALT LAKE COUNTY FOR A
MUNICIPAL ELECTION
01:07:00
Jen Clancy stated that this was a standard contract to work with Salt Lake County to administer an
election for two, four year town council terms that are expire on January 2024. She pointed out that we
would need at least five candidates to run in order to qualify for a primary. Jen said that if the council
wished to offer rank choice voting that that decision would need to be made soon, but based on previous
town council conversations she didn’t believe there was any interest in offering rank choice voting so
she didn’t prepare much background on the subject.
Jen added that the reason this was being brought to the council was because a fiscal year 2024 budget
has not been passed yet and the council needs to be approve of the expense before adding it to the books.
She expects this election to cost the Town $2,500 (County’s minimum) with or without a primary.
MOTION: Mayor Bourke motioned to authorize the ILA with SL County for the municipal
election, and John Byrne seconded.
VOTE: All in favor. The ILA was authorized.
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13. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE FUTURE OF THE TOWN
SHUTTLE PROGRAM
01:11:00
Chris Cawley said he had written a staff report on this matter to prepare the council for discussion today.
He highlighted key points in the report as: there are three distinct shuttle programs currently operating,
the program has been very popular with almost 12,000 riders in January alone, Alta Chalets have been
organizing the shuttle program since about 2010 and don’t retain any of the program contributions
collected. Alta Chalets has stated they don’t have the capacity to organize the program anymore and
would like someone else to take over that role, if no one steps forward the program could go away. As a
result the Mayor and staff have been discussing if it is feasible for the Town to take over the role of
organizing the program. Chris explained that there are three components to what managing a program
would look like including funding or fundraising, selecting a vendor and managing a contract, and then
designing a service program. Chris said we think it’s feasible for the Town to take on a version of this
program but before taking additional steps the staff would like to know if the council supports the idea
of staff developing a proposal for next year.
John Byrne suggested the program could entail the Town managing a contract and that contract should
protect the Town from potential slip and falls as well as operating liabilities of the contractor. John
suggested this could be the answer, but that he liked the idea of ACVB taking on this role. Mayor
Bourke said the shuttle service has been a really big help for the community and however we need to go
about it that we need to keep it going. He sees it helping with parking, traffic, and safety.
Chris explained that today was not about a pitch for more funding to fill the gap for this year’s program.
He also reminded the council that Tom Schneider, who owns and operates Alta Shuttle whish currently
operates the shuttle program has informed the Town that if he is the recipient of a contract to run next
year’s program, that he will need a new van and in order to purchase that van and receive it on time, that
he needs some confirmation by April. Chris added that there are other vendors however and this past
year they submitted informal bids to Alta Chalets that were on par with the rates Alta Shuttle is
charging.
Chris said the town council hasn’t discussed the option of this becoming a town program. He wanted to
provide that opportunity and get feedback on if the town council supports this idea, with the feasibility
of raising the funds aside. Carolyn Anctil said she was in support of the Town taking over the program
and she thought it was previously a profitable endeavor and could continue to be for the Town. Chris
explained he was thinking it would continue to be a free service and the only entity possible profiting
would be Alta Shuttle but Chris had his doubts if it was much. Carolyn said she supported the Town
taking on this role even if it wasn’t a profitable for the Town. Mayor Bourke added he looked at it as a
public service, not as a profit center for the Town.
Mayor Bourke summarized that the council was in favor of continuing the shuttle as a community
service and the we should work on the financials for the program. John Byrne suggested we consider
isolating the economics of this as opposed to folding it into the general fund.
(Carolyn Anctil was briefly disconnected)
14. NEW BUSINESS
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01:34:00
None.
15. MOTION TO ADJOURN
01:35:30
MOTION: John Byrne motioned to adjourn, and Mayor Bourke seconded.
VOTE: John Byrne and Mayor Bourke voted in favor. Carolyn Anctil rejoined the meeting and
voted in favor of adjourning. The meeting was adjourned.
Passed this 12th day of April, 2023
_____________________
Jen Clancy, Town Clerk
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MAYOR TOWN OF ALTA
ROGER BOURKE P.O. BOX 8016
ALTA, UTAH 84092
TOWN COUNCIL
CAROLYN ANCTIL TEL (801) 363-5105
JOHN BYRNE (801) 742-3522
SHERIDAN DAVIS FAX (801)742-1006
ELISE MORGAN TTY 711
Exhibit A
The following written public comments were received are to be included in the March 8, 2023
Town council meeting minutes.
Pages Document Date Received
2 Randhir Jhamb February 13, 2023
3 Eddie Clardige March 6, 2023
4 Patrick Shea March 6, 2023
5 Harris Sondak March 7, 2023
6 Craig Heimark March 7, 2023
7 Paul and Kim Hooper March 8, 2023
From: noreply@townofalta.com
To: Molly Austin; Jen Clancy
Subject: New submission from Submit a Public Comment
Date: Monday, February 13, 2023 12:21:53 PM
Name
Randhir Jhamb
Phone
Address
9880 East Peruvian Acre
Creekside Chalet
Alta, Utah 84092
Map It
Email
Town Affiliation
Resident
Property Owner
Comment Subject
Thank you for your Service!
Comment
John,
Thank you so much for educating me, as a new property owner in 1996, to the ways of Alta. What’s
allowed, and what will never be allowed, as far as codes and restrictions. Helping to facilitate the
resolution of problems for the Town, and the Peruvian Acres neighborhood. Everything worked out, and
Bodhi and I look forward to seeing you on the road, or at Alta, in the future. Ride safe. Let us know where
you will be on your own travels, and you are always welcome at the Creekside Chalet…
Regards,
Randhir
Is this comment to be included in the minutes for the next Town Council meeting?
Yes
2
Molly Austin
From: noreply@townofalta.com <info@townofalta.com>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 3:43 PM
To: Molly Austin; Jen Clancy
Subject: New submission from Submit a Public Comment
Name
Eddie Claridge
Phone
Address
PO Box 8088
Alta UT
Map It
Email
Town Affiliation
Property Owner
Comment Subject
John Guldner
Comment
Thanks John for all your hard work through the years!
Is this comment to be included in the minutes for the next Town Council meeting?
Yes
3
Molly Austin
From: noreply@townofalta.com <info@townofalta.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 7:46 AM
To: Molly Austin; Jen Clancy
Subject: New submission from Submit a Public Comment
Name
Harris Sondak
Phone
Email
Town Affiliation
Other
If other, please specify:
Former mayor and town council member
Comment Subject
John Guldner
Comment
It is unique to have had the opportunity to work with someone with the depth of knowledge and passion possessed by
John Guldner. The town and I frequently benefited by John's ability to understand the most arcane information and
nuance about surprisingly complicated issues. Many people in Alta’s community – from homeowners, to business
managers, to guests, to elected officials – do not fully grasp the overlapping jurisdictions that affect the welfare of our
community, but John clearly did. For many decades now, John dedicated himself to helping Alta and its community
members thrive. John, Alta will not be the same without you; I wish you all the best.
Is this comment to be included in the minutes for the next Town Council meeting?
Yes
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Molly Austin
From: noreply@townofalta.com <info@townofalta.com>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 5:46 PM
To: Molly Austin; Jen Clancy
Subject: New submission from Submit a Public Comment
Name
patrick shea
Phone
Address
2568 S Elizabeth St
4
Salt Lake City, ut 84106
Map It
Email
Town Affiliation
Other
If other, please specify:
One of three founders of Friends of Alta
Comment Subject
Complimenting John Guldner's service to Alta
Comment
Through the Alta grape vine I heard that the invaluable John Guldner is leaving. I have skidded Alta since 1956, was married
there in 1980 and my ashes will be sprinkled in Albion Basin upon my pasting. I have said on several occasions that Alta is "a
state of mind". John has been a intrathecal part of preserving the environs of Alta. His dedication to public service is
extraordinary. I wish many of the towns and cities I work with had as competent person is John. He will be missed, but I should
warn you John, I still have your cell number. Best wishes and stay healthy.
Pat Shea
Is this comment to be included in the minutes for the next Town Council meeting?
Yes
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Molly Austin
From: noreply@townofalta.com <info@townofalta.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 6:44 PM
To: Molly Austin; Jen Clancy
Subject: New submission from Submit a Public Comment
Name
Craig Heimark
Phone
Address
10645 E. Little Cottonwood Canyon Rd
Alta, Utah 84092
Map It
Town Affiliation
Property Owner
Comment Subject
John Guldner
Comment
To me John Guldner is a living embodiment of the values and qualities that make Alta special.
From a young age, John was active (and accomplished) in outdoor sports and for many years I have seen him hiking at full
speed, usually with weights, on our local trails. John is a person who utilizes, embraces, and helps preserve Alta as a
destination for the aficionados of outdoor recreation.
John has brought that perspective to bear in his position of Alta Town Administrator. Whenever I wanted to do something that
required conversations with the Forest Service or Town of Alta, John was my first call, as he had all the relationships needed to
guide me through the steps.
John’s knowledge of Town of Alta history is encyclopedic. Often, when I am puzzled about certain policies, John narrates
the convoluted path which brought us to the current state, and it all makes sense.
John is truly irreplaceable. His human database of Alta history, his nuanced balancing of business and environmental
considerations, his understanding of Utah’s legal constraints and ToA building code cannot be replaced by a single person. Alta
will go on to its future, but John’s attitude, presence and capabilities will be sorely missed.
Is this comment to be included in the minutes for the next Town Council meeting?
Yes
6
Molly Austin
From:
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 11:00 AM
To: Molly Austin
Subject: John
Sitting on a plane heading home and trying to link into say how much the Hooper’s are going to miss John’s way and his
effectiveness with taking care of us up in the canyon. He’s made our experience painless and will sorely missed. Town
will have its work cut out finding a replacement.
Will him all the best!
Thanks again John for all your help.
Best, Kim & Paul Hooper
Grizzly Gulch
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Agenda
MAYOR TOWN OF ALTA
ROGER BOURKE P.O. BOX 8016
ALTA, UTAH 84092
TOWN COUNCIL
CAROLYN ANCTIL TEL (801) 363-5105
JOHN BYRNE (801) 742-3522
SHERIDAN DAVIS FAX (801)742-1006
ELISE MORGAN TTY 711
ALTA TOWN COUNCIL MEETING 2:00-4:00 PM
Wednesday, March 8, 2023
This meeting will be an electronic meeting without an anchor location pursuant to
Mayor Bourke’s February 15, 2023 determination:
https://townofalta.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2023-2-15-Determination-Letter-Location-SIGNED-
1.pdf
If you are interested in watching or registering to participate in this virtual meeting
please refer to the instructions on our website:
https://townofalta.com/town-government/town-council/agendas-minutes-2/
To make a public comment please register for the Zoom webinar and notify
Molly Austin via email (molly@townofalta.com) in advance of the meeting.
Please note, each person will be able to speak for 3 minutes once.
If you are unable to attend the meeting, you may provide public input in writing on the Town’s website:
https://townofalta.com/town-government/public-comment/
Regular Meeting:
1 Call the meeting to order and declaration 2:00 - 2:05
2 Citizen Input 2:05 - 2:15
3 Alta Ski Area Update – Mike Maughan 2:15 - 2:25
4 Approval of Consent Agenda: February 8, 2023 Meeting Minutes, 2:25 2:30
February 23, 2023 Special Meeting Minutes, Staff and Finance Reports
5 Questions regarding Departmental Reports 2:30 - 2:35
6 Mayor's Report 2:35 - 2:45
7 Discussion and possible action on Resolution 2023-R-2 reappointing the 2:45 - 2:55
following Planning Commission members: Jon Nepstad for 4 years, Jeff
Niermeyer for 5 years, and Rob Voye for 2 years
8 Discussion and possible action on Ordinance 2023-O-1 to amend the dog 2:55 - 3:05
license ordinance to remove the watershed tag requirement
9 Discussion and possible action on Resolution 2023-R-3 repealing and 3:05 - 3:15
replacing dog license class numbers
10 Discussion and possible action on Resolution 2023-R-4 updating the fee 3:15 - 3:25
schedule to remove mention of watershed tags
11 Discussion and possible action on Ordinance 2023-O-2 creating the 3:25 - 3:40
position of Town Manager and delegating administrative provisions
12 Discussion and possible action to authorize an Interlocal Cooperative 3:40 - 3:45
Agreement (ILA) with SL County for a Municipal Election
13 Discussion and possible action regarding the future of the Town shuttle 3:45 - 3:55
program
14 New Business 3:55 - 4:00
15 Motion to Adjourn 4:00
Notice Provisions:
• Motions relating to any of the foregoing including final action may be taken at the meeting.
• One or more members of the Town Council may attend by electronic means, including telephonically. Such members may fully participate in
the proceedings as if physically present. The anchor location for purposes of the electronic meeting is the ALTA COMMUNITY CENTER,
10361 EAST HWY 210, ALTA, UTAH
• Reasonable accommodations (including auxiliary communicative aids and services) for individuals with disabilities may be provided upon
receipt of a request with three (3) working days’ notice. For assistance please call the Alta Town Office at 801-363-5105
• By motion of the Alta Town Council, pursuant to Title 52, Chapter 4 of the Utah Code, the Town Council may vote to hold a closed meeting for
any of the purposes identified.
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