City Council
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · April 25, 2017
Minutes
ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING – APRIL 25, 2017
MINUTES
The Workshop Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Julie Trude,
April 25, 2017, 6:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover,
Minnesota.
Councilmembers present: Mike Knight, Sheri Bukkila (arrived at 6:15 p.m.), Valerie Holthus
and James Goodrich
Councilmember absent: None
Also present: City Administrator, Jim Dickinson
Community Development Director, Joe Janish
Public Works Director/City Engineer, David Berkowitz
City Attorney, Scott Baumgartner
Others
DISCUSS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO REGULATE DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
City Attorney Baumgartner explained cities are starting to develop ordinances that regulate drug
paraphernalia.
City Attorney Baumgartner reviewed the staff report with the Council.
Mayor Trude thought they should add a paragraph about allowing items that are licensed by the
State of Minnesota for medicinal purposes. She thought they should add a section for people
who are legally growing, stating “This does not apply if you are licensed by the State of
Minnesota to produce…” City Attorney Baumgartner stated this does not have to do with
Marijuana, it has to do with paraphernalia. Mayor Trude stated they needed to make sure the
City makes an exception for people who are allowed by the State to grow for medicinal
purposes. City Attorney Baumgartner noted on page three under C and D, it talks about in
violation of MN State Chapter 152, which has the exclusions and talks about pharmaceutical
items as well.
Councilmember Holthus asked if Forest Lake adopted a similar ordinance because a shop that
was there was the same type of shop as the shop in Anoka and it is now closed. City Attorney
Baumgartner was not sure if Forest Lake implemented an ordinance but he did know Forest Lake
did implement an ordinance of some sort. He chose to go with Morehead’s’ model because it
had been tested and more closely resembled the Federal model. Since the Morehead model had
already been tested in court along with the Federal model they had precedent had it been
challenged, which it was, that they could then fall back on the Federal model. He knew that a lot
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of cities are going in the direction of an ordinance like the one in Anoka.
Councilmember Bukkila arrived at 6:15 p.m.
City Attorney Baumgartner stated before Anoka adopted this ordinance they reached out to all of
the businesses that had items or could potentially have items and gave them a period of time to
remove their inventory out before the ordinance went into effect.
Mayor Trude stated sometimes gas stations have paraphernalia and wondered if they are aware
of any of that going on in Andover. City Attorney Baumgartner stated he is not aware of
anything in Andover at this time.
The Council was in support of drafting an ordinance and sending it through the Planning and
Zoning Commission for Council review and approval.
Mayor Trude asked what kind of things were being prosecuted in Andover. Mr. Baumgartner
stated they have been prosecuting thefts from Walmart. He reviewed some things happening in
the City that he has dealt with.
DISCUSS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR RURAL RESERVE
Mr. Janish explained there has been discussions going on regarding this item. He reviewed the
staff report with the Council.
Mr. Janish asked the Council if they wanted to keep item 13-1B-3: A4 or remove it. Mayor
Trude stated this was crafted so people would not come in and flip the property. She thought
that section needed to be adjusted. Mr. Janish stated he could do that.
Mr. Janish reviewed the zoning text amendments with the Council.
Mr. Janish stated regarding Item K: When applicable, a blanket easement stating that future
roads, trails, city utilities, and future park areas may be located in this area on remnant parcel.
He stated his concern with this is that this does allow the City, at a later date, to come through
and put a road through the parcel and the easement would allow the City to “take the road” and
put the road in and the property owner might not be compensated.
Councilmember Bukkila stated that is what she is concerned with. Mr. Dickinson stated one of
the things he asked is how many other cities are doing blanket type easements and Mr. Janish did
not find any. Mayor Trude asked how they guarantee this will not happen. She wondered how
they would solve the problem. She stated if this was platted they would be giving up their land
for the roads and parks. She stated they would be giving up their land for the road because they
need access for their homes. There is a community interest at stake. Mr. Janish stated what
other communities are doing is they are placing a deed restriction on the property saying that it
can’t be split again until urban services are provided.
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There was discussion between staff and Council regarding possible ways to split 40 acres in
order to allow future development.
Mayor Trude asked if the easement would be over the top of the properties and not pushed to the
edge of the properties. Mr. Janish stated if that is where the road would go.
Discussion continued regarding future lot splits within the Rural Reserve.
Councilmember Bukkila stated she had a problem with a blanket easement because wouldn’t it
go on recorded documents with the land. It is one thing to structure the code to prevent any
building in an area before there is a grand plan but to legally encumber the acreage with
easements does not seem right. City Attorney Baumgartner stated the reason he has an issue
with this is how do they come up with a legal description to record the easement. He stated they
could do an easement over the entire property but at some point they will need to release a
portion of that easement over which it will need to be surveyed to get the legal description.
Mayor Trude thought they could release the easement at that point because it is a bargaining
process. City Attorney Baumgartner stated at some point they are going to have to identify
somehow what the legal description for the easement is. If they want to throw an easement over
the entire parcel now before it is split they will still need to identify if they want to split the
parcel. There will need to be surveying done to vacate that portion of the blanket easement.
Mayor Trude asked if they could vacate the easement on the five acre parcels where the homes
will go.
There was further discussion regarding blanket easements.
Mr. Berkowitz explained how developments go about getting plat approval with easements. He
stated if the city does not grab the easement then it makes it harder to develop in the future.
Mr. Janish stated the original intent of the blanket easement was to try to minimize someone
from putting something in the way of future development. Councilmember Bukkila gave an
example of issues people might have with using their land with a blanket easement on their land
in the Rural Reserve. City Attorney Baumgartner stated the property owner could have an
encroachment agreement with the City on the land. Mayor Trude stated if there was not any
easement on the property then the City loses their bargaining. They are trying to bargain to
protect the master plan and the landowners all bought into that. Mr. Janish stated an
encroachment agreement could be done in order to allow buildings on structures with a blanket
easement.
Further discussion ensued between staff and the Council regarding easements and encroachment
agreements.
Mr. Jake Packer and Mr. John Packer, 3074 161st Avenue NW, stated they have two forty acre
parcels with two buildable lots with two five acre parcels and as far as the easement goes they
are not comfortable with that and did not know why they could not leave a chunk of land open.
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City Attorney Baumgartner stated the problem with that is if they wanted to sell off another five
acres of the forty acres the City would have no way to say they cannot do that without a blanket
easement, the future development may never happen.
Mr. Packer stated he understood that but it is tough for them and they felt like their hands are
being tied. Mayor Trude stated they are being allowed to build on ten acres of the forty acres
available. She thought they needed to have a master plan for the Rural Reserve but they want to
allow families to build on part of their land.
The Council, staff and the Packers reviewed possibilities that could be done on their property and
in the Rural Reserve District including deed restrictions. City Attorney Baumgartner stated he
would need to review language regarding deed restrictions and see how that would work.
Mayor Trude asked if there was ever discussion regarding removing some land out of the Rural
Reserve because of close access to City sewer and water. She wondered if they could apply
some kind of process in their code that indicates it no longer makes sense. Mr. Janish stated with
Atlas 14 discussion that is where a lot of the discussion is going to be. He stated all of the
meetings they have been doing may not even be valid discussions when they start working on the
next update because of Atlas 14 and other new rules, the Rural Reserve may not be as
developable as they thought in the past.
Mayor Trude thought if things were to change they could vacate easements based on new
discoveries and circumstances. Mr. Berkowitz agreed.
City Attorney Baumgartner stated the City wants to allow residents to do what they want with
their property but the City has an obligation to the community to plan for what may happen
twenty years down the road and the hard part is trying to predict what is going to happen there
because there is nothing there at this time. They want to make sure they do not box in future
development in the area which is the tough part.
Mr. Packer wondered if the City could add some blanket language and approve items on a case
by case situation. City Attorney Baumgartner stated when they put together an ordinance they
should apply it universally otherwise you get discriminatory enforcement. They can look at
certain things back to back but in the end, it should all come together under that ordinance and
has to be applicable. They need to treat people similarly.
Mr. Berkowitz thought the best solution would be to have a blanket easement with an
encroachment agreement. Mr. Dickinson stated they could look at a floating easement with an
encroachment agreement if they want a particular use of the easement area. He stated the
easement could move within the property so it is not specified. City Attorney Baumgartner
stated they would not need an encroachment agreement unless or until they want to put
something on the land that would encroach into the easement.
Councilmember Bukkila indicated she was not a fan of this plan. Councilmember Goodrich
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agreed and stated he needed more information and history before making a decision. Mr.
Dickinson stated staff will get some examples of deed restrictions and bring that back to the
Council for further discussion.
Mr. Janish stated they could allow a change to the language in the ordinance, remove the
splitting of property additionally each year and place either an easement or some sort of
restriction over the remnant parcel so they get a one-time split in the Rural Reserve and then try
to sort it out as part of their Comprehensive Plan update because they may come back and
change the entire area again once they find out how Atlas 14 will affect this area. He noted he
would work with the City Attorney on language.
Councilmember Holthus asked if this would allow the Packer family to build. Mr. Janish stated
it should. It would restrict the remnant piece unless the entire parcel is sold and they want to
plan a development.
Mayor Trude, Councilmembers Holthus and Knight were in favor of moving this forward.
Mr. Packer thought they may be willing to allow the easement but he wondered what they are
giving up to do that. Mr. Baumgartner stated they are allowing the City the opportunity to place
the road and easement in there at some point when the entire property becomes developable.
Mayor Trude stated she would like to see three goals: 1. Allow the Packers to build, 2. Continue
on the path they started with the Met Council approvals that are permitted and 3. Make sure there
is room for things to happen in the future that are not going to be impeded by today’s actions.
Mr. Janish stated as a part of the Comprehensive Plan update, it is going to determine what is
going to happen in this area. Mr. Berkowitz noted after the update with Atlas 14 staff may even
come back to the Council looking for a vacation of the easement they put on the property.
Councilmember Bukkila indicated she wanted more information before making a final decision.
Councilmember Goodrich agreed. Councilmember Bukkila stated even if Mr. Packer is willing
to agree to this easement she acknowledges there are other property owners who have interest as
well and she is trying to protect them as well.
Mayor Trude stated the entire Rural Reserve is restricted at this point. Councilmember Bukkila
noted the property owners can still use the land. Mayor Trude stated if they move towards the
plan that was started two months ago the property owners will have more rights than they do
now. Councilmember Bukkila stated right now the property owners can build an accessory
building on their property but if there were an easement placed on the property then according to
the code they could not build at all on the easement. She stated she would prefer a method that
would not include encroachment so that a property owner could have full use of their land. She
would like staff to look to see if there are alternative options.
Mr. Dickinson stated they will look for the deed restriction component. He noted an easement is
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a form of a deed restriction. City Attorney Baumgartner stated an easement is an interest in
property, a deed restriction is only as good as whoever holds that deed, that is the problem he has
with it. Mr. Dickinson stated they need to look at what the County recorder will accept. For the
most part Counties will not record those things unless it is signed off by the municipalities and
that is really where the City wants to get to. City Attorney Baumgartner stated that is what he
wants to see.
Mayor Trude asked when the City went to the Met Council and asked to move down this path,
what was on their list that the City had to do. Mr. Janish stated it is a deed restriction of some
manner to prevent the density and preserve that future development possibility.
Mr. Packer stated they do not necessarily want the easement, if there is another way to do it that
would be the way they would want to go but if it ends up that it is the only way to get it done
then they may need to go along with it. He asked for a status update on the Comprehensive Plan
amendment. Mr. Janish stated he has not heard from the Met Council yet. He reviewed the
process with Mr. Packer and the Council.
Mr. Packer stated they are looking to move forward with building as soon as possible. Staff
reviewed a possible timeline of actions that need to occur before building can happen. Mr.
Dickinson stated they need to figure out Item K in the staff report that talks about blanket
easements on the property.
Councilmember Goodrich stated he did not want to hold the Packers back from building if the
only issue is Item K. Mr. Dickinson stated he would talk to the Packers and help them to work
out a timeframe to build.
DISCUSS STORAGE UNITS (PODS) IN CITY PARKS & RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS
Mr. Berkowitz explained the City Council is requested to discuss portable storage containers,
often referred to as PODS, in City parks and residential districts.
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed the staff report.
Mr. Berkowitz asked if the Council supported permanent PODS in the City. Council consensus
was not to allow them.
Mr. Berkowitz asked if the City Council supported a timeframe for the athletic associations to
get rid of their current PODS. Councilmember Holthus understood why they need them. Mr.
Berkowitz stated staff discussed giving them three to five years to get rid of the PODS. Mayor
Trude disagreed and stated five years was a long time for them to find alternative storage. She
thought a shed looked better than PODS. Mr. Berkowitz stated it is up to the Council to decide
what a reasonable timeframe is for the associations to raise funds to build a structure for storage.
Councilmember Bukkila stated her issue is the burden on one association for multiple structures.
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If it was only one park and one organization she would agree to three years but if one
organization had something in two or more parks then she would be more sympathetic to a
longer timeframe to plan out multiple structures.
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed where the PODS are located at. He noted the Andover Baseball
Association wants to move a POD from the high school to Sunshine Park and thought the City
Council would not be in favor of that. The Council agreed. Mr. Berkowitz stated the Andover
Football Association has one at Prairie Knoll Park during the season. He stated they could have
multiple associations put their resources together and build one structure at the parks.
Councilmember Holthus thought the associations need to clean out the buildings and see what
their needs are. Mr. Berkowitz stated they would need to have a structure at each park to house
the equipment needed for that park so he thought the Council should give them enough time to
figure out what their full needs are and how they can do it efficiently so they can raise money,
design and build a structure so it works for them for a long time.
Councilmember Bukkila thought the associations should be given twelve months to make a plan
and tell the Council what they would like to see before a decision is made by the Council. She
stated she wanted the associations to react and not put it off.
Councilmember Knight asked if some of the items being stored at the parks was City owned.
Mr. Berkowitz stated the associations are now buying their own equipment to use at the parks so
the City does not have any equipment that is stored. Mayor Trude stated that takes a big load off
of the City, she wondered if there was a way to find a way to build some little sheds with money
from their reserves to store equipment so the parks look better. Mr. Berkowitz stated he would
need to go to the Park and Recreation Commission to see how they would weigh in on a
recommendation for that.
Councilmember Goodrich asked if they could screen the PODS with some sort of nice fencing so
they cannot be seen. Mayor Trude stated she liked that idea.
Councilmember Bukkila stated she is not ready to put a drop-dead date on this, she would like to
get some feedback from the associations on what they propose. Councilmember Holthus
suggested staff go look at the buildings and see what the associations have in them to see how
space can be better utilized.
Mr. Berkowitz asked if there was support for the associations to come back after twelve months
with a storage plan. Council agreed.
Mayor Trude suggested staff work with the associations on getting a plan together.
Mr. Berkowitz asked if the Council was in favor of using park dedication money to fund the
storage. Mayor Trude stated she is in favor of doing this. The rest of the Council is against.
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The Council is not in favor of permanent PODS in residential use. The Council is in favor of
temporary PODS in residential use. Councilmember Bukkila stated she would be in favor of
temporary storage if there is an open construction permit. Mr. Dickinson noted construction
permits could be open for years. Councilmember Goodrich asked what other cities do. Mr.
Dickinson stated most do not allow them at all or for only ninety days. Mayor Trude thought
they should start with ninety days. Mr. Berkowitz stated if allowed there would need to be an
ordinance change because they currently do not allow anything like that in the City. He stated
staff will work on language change and bring it back for Council review. Councilmember
Bukkila stated there needed to be some language stipulating ninety days in total so it does not
disappear for one day and then come back again for another ninety days.
Mr. Berkowitz noted there are not any restrictions on five acres or more. The majority of the
Council did not have an issue with that. Mayor Trude is not sure if she wanted that because then
the property owner can have as many of them as they want and then it starts to look bad. Mr.
Janish thought there needed to be some type of screening on those sites. Mayor Trude stated she
did not support allowing them on five acres or more.
CLOCKTOWER COMMONS AMENDMENT
Mr. Janish stated this is in regard to the Clocktower Commons PUD amendment. He passed out
a building design and stated the new building they are proposing is mostly rock face block and
he is requesting the Council review the building façade and indicate any changes that should be
made to the building. Mr. Dickinson stated according to the PUD all the buildings need to look
alike in appearance.
The City Council thought the new building façade looked better than some of the existing
buildings. They thought maybe there could be the same style of roofing or closer looking brick
to the color in the design of the existing buildings.
2018 BUDGET DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION
Mr. Dickinson reviewed the staff report.
2017 BUDGET PROGRESS REPORTS
Mr. Dickinson reviewed the staff report.
2017 CITY INVESTMENTS REVIEW
Mr. Dickinson reviewed the staff report.
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OTHER TOPICS:
TRAFFIC REDIRECTION FROM BUNKER LAKE BOULEVARD
Mayor Trude stated she has had voicemails and emails regarding Bunker Lake
Boulevard. A resident is even wondered if they could close down Butternut Street during
the construction because of excessive traffic going into residential areas. Councilmember
Bukkila stated the same thing happened with the Hanson Boulevard construction and they
have to just put up with it.
Mayor Trude told the resident to contact the County and see what they could do about it.
Mr. Dickinson stated what staff has done is talk to the contractor, showed them the routes
and told them they cannot take their trucks through the residential area.
The Council indicated they would not consider closing Butternut Street. Mr. Dickinson
stated the road needs to remain open for emergency services.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Bukkila, Seconded by Knight, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting
adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary
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City Council Workshop
Tuesday, April 25, 2017
Conference Rooms A & B
1. Call to Order – 6:00 p.m.
2. Discuss Ordinance Amendment to Regulate Drug Paraphernalia – Attorney
3. Discuss Zoning Text Amendments for Rural Reserve – Planning
4. Discuss Storage Units (PODS) in City Parks & Residential Districts – Engineering
5. 2018 Budget Development Discussion - Administration
6. 2017 Budget Progress Reports - Administration
7. 2017 City Investments Review - Administration
8. Other Business
9. Adjournment
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