City Council
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · October 24, 2017
Minutes
ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING – OCTOBER 24, 2017
MINUTES
The Workshop Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Julie Trude,
October 24, 2017, 6:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW,
Andover, Minnesota.
Councilmembers present: Mike Knight, Sheri Bukkila, Valerie Holthus and James Goodrich
Councilmember absent: None
Park Commissioners present: Chair Shane Stenzel, Jim Lindahl, Angela Marinello, Mark
Miskowiec, Dawn Perra, and Ted Butler
Park Commissioners absent: John Angell
Also present: City Administrator, Jim Dickinson
Director of Public Works/City Engineer, David Berkowitz
Assistant Public Works Director, Todd Haas
Parks Maintenance Supervisor, Jason Grode
Others
JOINT MEETING WITH THE PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION
Mayor Trude reviewed the meeting process with the Commissioners and Council in regard to the
Parks Commission CIP.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated they need some guidance and feedback from the Council. Chair
Stenzel agreed. They are looking for guidance from the City Council on what their priority
should be and some Council feedback. Chair Stenzel noted they are not asking for anything,
they are only presenting their research tonight.
A. Review of the Existing and Future Park Facilities Chart/16-39D
Councilmember Holthus thought the regional parks should have a priority. She thought the tot
lots in smaller parks are not where the priority should lie. She felt regional parks have more
users and need to have the priority.
Commissioner Lindahl agreed but thought as far as the sports associations, he thought they were
told not to concentrate on those, they were told to diversify.
Councilmember Bukkila thought the goal going forward is to figure out how we are going to
create that replacement plan and what is practical in establishing priorities. She thought there
was the possibility of overbuilding the parks and felt there needed to be more review in order to
plan future meetings to review.
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Commissioner Butler thought they needed Council feedback on the priorities. Commissioner
Perra thought the neighborhood parks are heavily used and is an expectation of the residents.
She would like to keep up with the maintenance and adding trails to connect the parks.
Commissioner Marinello thought it was important to have good regional parks but noted
neighborhood parks do need to have replacement work done.
Councilmember Goodrich thought the document presented was excellent. He thought the current
park system is a little bit overbuilt. He wants to get to a sustainable plan for the parks and to
plan things out for the long-term.
Councilmember Knight thought they need to pay close attention to the various age groups
because there are very real demands from each age group.
Chairperson Stenzel stated they do look at the different age groups and should be looking at that
in future build out of parks because he thought in some areas they may have overbuilt.
Mayor Trude thought the Park and Recreation Commission was looking to do more meaningful
work.
Mayor Trude asked if they can review policy to determine how the park money should be spent.
Councilmember Bukkila stated she would like to see some kind of brainstorming of the larger
parks and smaller parks for consistency. She would like to look at a baseline of amenities to
place in a park and from there to look at what would be needed for the future.
There was discussion between the Council and Park and Recreation Commission on future park
planning.
Councilmember Goodrich asked if there was a way to measure park usage. Mr. Haas stated
surveys are sent out to the neighborhoods when the neighborhood parks are being updated for
feedback and a wish list.
Councilmember Bukkila thought as the park development and replacement moves forward they
should set a standard based on what the City can afford. Chair Stenzel stated there has to be a
standard because park dedication purchases the initial park amenities, so the City needs to
provide for the future replacement.
Mayor Trude hoped they can come up with some ideas that do not cost a lot that will please the
residents. She stated she wants to support creativity.
Councilmember Holthus asked if they could do some research on how the parks were being
utilized that have irrigation with soccer and football fields to make sure they are on the
maintenance schedule frequently, so they can justify the maintenance of those parks.
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Further discussion took place on park planning and field usage.
Mayor Trude stated they do have a Masterplan for the City Campus and did not realize they had
extra acreage for a big park. The last time they did a park dedication study they thought there
might be some ballfields to the side along the west, now there is land for a central park. She
indicated she would like to see that added in to the plan. She also wanted to make sure the
Holasek property was included in plan for future park development.
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed the future plans of the Holasek property and the area in order to connect
the area via a trail system to different developments and parks.
Consensus of the Council was to support the increase in the park dedication fee, based on the
analysis provided.
B. Review of the Park Replacement List for 2018-2022
The City Council is requested to review the Park Replacement List for 2018-2022.
Councilmember Holthus asked if certain components of playground equipment have a longer life
than other components and is it possible to only buy components that have a long life. She
wondered why they have to change out all of the equipment every fifteen years. Chair Stenzel
stated equipment is not made like it used to be. Steel is not the same quality as it was years ago.
He stated the equipment manufacturers make a cheaper product because they know the
replacement is there.
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed with the Council the manufacturer’s warranty and replacement of
equipment. Mr. Haas reviewed what other cities are doing and how often they are replacing their
equipment.
Councilmember Holthus asked if it is possible to purchase replacement parts at the time they
purchase equipment. Mr. Haas stated that would be done on a case by case basis. Some
playgrounds are used a lot, and some are used infrequently. Mr. Berkowitz also noted that new
equipment at a park seems to revitalize it because people get tired of the same equipment at the
park.
Councilmember Goodrich asked what the Park and Recreation Commission felt were the main
drivers for park replacement. He felt that the main driver should be the affordability. As they
are reviewing replacing things if the parks are not getting used then they should be
decommissioned. He wanted affordability to be the biggest factor on what they are reviewing.
The Council and Park and Recreation Commission agreed.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated the Park and Recreation Commission is also doing code
upgrades with each park and there is an ADA compliance cost.
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C. Update of the 2018-2022 CIP for Parks
Chairperson Stenzel reviewed the 2018-2022 CIP with the Council.
Mayor Trude asked if it is sustainable if they finish up the parks that had available land to be
added for space for kids to play at the parks. Chair Stenzel asked if these would be open space
areas for kids to run around in.
D. Update on the 2018-2022 CIP for Playground Equipment Replacement
Chairperson Stenzel reviewed the CIP for playground equipment with the Council.
Mayor Trude asked if there has been talk about encouraging more recreation on the Rum River.
Chair Stenzel stated they look at trends and discuss ideas in their workshops. Part of the holdup
is they know they do not have money for all of the ideas they come up with. Commissioner
Butler stated they try to do what they can with the resources they have.
Commissioner Butler stated the large dollar amounts for parks shown in the CIP is projected out
over thirty years at a very conservative inflation rate.
RECESS AND RECONVENE
The Council recessed at 7:35 p.m. and reconvened at 7:45 p.m.
Councilmember Knight left the meeting at 7:45 p.m.
2018 BUDGET DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSIONS
Mr. Dickinson explained City Administration/Finance along with the department heads continue
to work on the 2018 Annual Operating Budget Development process.
Mr. Dickinson reviewed the Fire Department Duty Crew Program and the Community Center
hiring need.
There was Council discussion with staff about Public Works Union settlement and the City
COLA and pay rates for the non-union employees.
Mr. Dickinson stated recruitment is becoming more difficult, especially on the part-time side.
He noted they are grasping at straws to staff the Community Center.
There was continued discussion on staffing.
Mr. Dickinson stated they review staffing and pay rates on an annual basis.
Mr. Dickinson stated they are receiving a zero increase in 2018 for health insurance for the
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employees. He stated there will be no increase in the contract with the City Attorney. He
reviewed the Anoka County Sheriff’s Office contract with the Council.
Mr. Dickinson stated he received updated numbers and the tax rate he was forecasting at around
6.5 percent will be over a 7 percent reduction. In 2019 he anticipates the City will get hit in the
fiscal disparities allocation and he recommended in their fund balance reservations to start
breaking off the economic development transfer number because they are starting to take care of
that through the department budget and he suggested putting $150,000 of that towards the fiscal
disparity fluctuation so if they do get hit in 2019 they can continue to budget the way they
currently are. The Council thought that was a good plan.
Mr. Dickinson continued reviewing the 2018 budget development with the Council.
2017 BUDGET PROGRESS REPORTS
Mr. Dickinson stated the 2017 General Fund Budget contains total revenues of $10,825,139 and
total expenditures of $11,039,719, a decrease in fund balance is planned.
2017 CITY INVESTMENTS REVIEW
Mr. Dickinson reviewed the 2017 City Investments with the Council.
DISCUSS 2018 COUNCIL MEETING DATES
Mr. Dickinson explained as staff is preparing calendars for the upcoming year, Council is
requested to discuss meeting date options. He stated he has developers already wondering when
the 2018 meeting dates are because they want to plan ahead.
Mr. Dickinson stated February 6, 2018 is Precinct Caucus and the Council usually moves that
meeting to another night. Councilmember Bukkila stated she could make a decision on February
6th but the rest of the dates she does not know. Mr. Dickinson asked if he should change the date
to the Monday before.
July 3, 2018 is the day before a holiday. Mayor Trude thought if July 4th falls in the middle of
the week then people will be taking the entire week off. Councilmember Holthus indicated she
would be available.
August 7, 2018 is Night to Unite. Mayor Trude stated they usually wait to make a decision on
this date until it gets closer. She wondered if they should bump all of the dates to a Wednesday.
November 6, 2018 is Election Day. Mayor Trude thought they should make Night to Unite and
Election Day the day after because they usually like to discuss what has gone on.
Mr. Dickinson stated he would address the first two dates and bring them all back for future
discussion.
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Mr. Dickinson stated he anticipated not having a workshop meeting in December and possibly
January. Commission interviews usually take place in January.
OTHER TOPICS
Mr. Dickinson stated he had a couple of additional topics that needed to be discussed. The first
is the conveyance of a PIN number. He reviewed two lots with the Council and stated the
individuals purchased a home in 2016 and wanted to replace the fence so the property owner
went in to get a fence permit and was told he could not because the fence is not on the
individual’s property but on City land. He stated the individual with the fence asked if the parcel
could be purchased from the City. Staff determined the parcel in question is an outlot with a lot
of wetland.
Mr. Dickinson stated they are looking to do as little as possible in order to make the property
owner compliant and allow him to install a new fence. The Council indicated they are fine with
allowing the individual to purchase the property and to pursue the appropriate process.
Mr. Berkowitz stated another item that staff needs Council input on, is they have a neighborhood
meeting for a street reconstruction coming up November 6, 2017. He reviewed the street
reconstruction area with the Council. He noted he wanted to review the details with the Council
before the neighborhood meeting and Council meeting in case they receive calls from residents.
Mr. Berkowitz stated the challenge with the reconstruction is they are proposing doing all of the
widening on the north side and none on the south side because there are multiple issues on the
south side with utilities, steep driveways, trees and it gets very difficult to do any widening on
the south side. Mayor Trude thought the north side had very shallow front yards. Mr. Berkowitz
stated they can be creative and narrow the lane widths down to eleven feet, provide a three-foot
shoulder without moving the curb line. This would be around four feet from the face of curb.
They could provide an eight-foot shoulder which would allow for parking on the north side by
only widening that by three to four feet on the north side.
Mayor Trude thought three feet on the north side would be a lot to remove because these are very
small lots. Mr. Berkowitz stated they currently have twenty feet of right-of-way.
Councilmember Bukkila asked what the total depth of the yards are on the north side. Mr.
Berkowitz stated they have fifty feet and they are planning on taking three feet. He stated the
standard right of way in an urban area is thirteen and a half feet and these homes have twenty
feet from the curb line.
Mayor Trude stated she is concerned with the parking on the road and is not sure of the demand
for street parking. She liked the idea of a wider street for pedestrian movement.
Mr. Berkowitz stated they also have a water loop they need to complete so they are proposing
completing the water loop for redundant service. He noted this would be one hundred percent
City cost and thought they should put in water stubs for future connection if needed. Mayor
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Trude stated in the past this neighborhood did not want water stubs. Mr. Dickinson stated he
would prefer putting the water stubs in now with the reconstruction rather then when the
residents want the water stubs because he does not want the street being ripped up in future when
not needed. Mr. Berkowitz stated extra pipe would be added only along 143rd Avenue.
Councilmember Goodrich wondered if there could be a deferred assessment put on the
properties. Mr. Dickinson stated part of how they would pay for this is with public safety levy
dollars and some water trunk fund monies.
The Council consensus was to move forward with the proposed plan with a deferred assessment.
Mr. Berkowitz stated the next item staff is proposing a sidewalk from Round Lake Boulevard to
Underclift Street and from there pedestrians can utilize the shoulder for pedestrian safe way.
This is a safe alternative. Mayor Trude thought this was a great idea for this area and would
allow residents to access multiple areas.
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed the overlay of the road that involves three homes. He noted they would
only assess for the overlay and not a road reconstruction. The Council liked the plan.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Bukkila, Seconded by Goodrich, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The
meeting adjourned at 8:55 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary
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City Council Workshop
Tuesday, October 24, 2017
Conference Rooms A & B
1. Call to Order – 6:00 p.m.
2. Joint Meeting with Park & Recreation Commission – Engineering
A. Review of the Existing and Future Park Facilities Chart/16-39D
B. Review of the Park Replacement List for 2018-2022
C. Update of the 2018-2022 CIP for Parks
D. Update on the 2018-2022 CIP for Playground Equipment Replacement
3. 2018 Budget Development Discussions – Administration
4. 2017 Budget Progress Reports - Administration
5. 2017 City Investments Review – Administration
6. Discuss 2018 Council Meeting Dates – Administration
7. Other Business
8. Adjournment
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