City Council
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · June 30, 2020
Minutes
ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING – JUNE 30, 2020
MINUTES
The Workshop Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Julie Trude,
June 30, 2020 at 6:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover,
Minnesota.
Councilmembers present: Sheri Bukkila, Valerie Holthus, Jamie Barthel, and Ted Butler
Councilmember absent: None
Also present: City Administrator Jim Dickinson
Community Development Director, Joe Janish
Assistant City Engineer, Jason Law
Others
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DISCUSSION
Mayor Trude introduced the item stating that staff and Council have worked on correcting and
updating the Comprehensive Plan over the past six months to meet Met Council’s requirements.
She stated if Council makes changes to the current draft, staff will need to rewrite several chapters
and spend approximately another six months updating the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Dickinson stated staff identified options based on Council feedback from the meeting on June
23, 2020. Mr. Dickinson explained the options as 3.1 and 3.2 which will result in meeting the Met
Council’s requirements for 363 affordable units and an average density of 3 units per acre. Mr.
Dickinson identified the areas of Council’s concern: the designated density of the Bunker Lake
Boulevard redevelopment area and the Sonsteby property; and the addition of pockets of higher
density (4-8 units per acre) throughout single-family developments in the City. Mr. Dickinson
explained the core principles staff looked at in bringing forth options to the Council.
Mr. Janish presented Option 3.1 stating staff reduced the Sonsteby property to 8-12 units per acre
from the proposed 20-25 units per acre. He stated this reduction effected the mandatory number of
affordable units and units per acre which needs to be made up for in other areas of the City.
Mayor Trude asked why Council is looking at reducing density of the Sonsteby properties when the
City has a proposal from a broker to place housing at a density of 20-25. Mr. Janish stated the City
received a proposal for a development based on 8-12 units per acre.
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Mayor Trude stated she felt the Sonsteby property should be commercial but deferred to the
Council at the time to make it high density (20-25 unit per acre) so the City would not have all these
other issues of density. She recalled it was not feasible to sell the property at 20-25 units per acre.
Mr. Janish stated it is not feasible at this time. Mr. Janish stated by reducing the Sonsteby property
to 8 units per acre, it would give the developer the green light to go forward with their project. Mr.
Janish identified areas where density could be increased to make up for the reduction on the
Sonsteby property.
Mr. Janish presented Option 3.2 which reduces the density of the Sonsteby property and the Bunker
Lake redevelopment area to 8-12 units per acre. He explained Option 3.2 changes the Andover
Station North (ASN) west of the ball fields portion to 12-20 units which results in fewer pockets of
higher density (4-8 unit per acre) spread throughout Andover.
Mr. Janish presented Option 3.3 which reduces the density of the Sonsteby and redevelopment area
and reduces pockets of higher density (4-8 units per acre) throughout Andover by changing the
range of Urban Residential Low from 2.2 to 2.4 units per acre.
Mr. Dickinson summarized that if Council wants to reduce the density on the redevelopment area
and the Sonsteby property, the property west of the ball fields at ASN will need to be included to
meet the affordability factor requirement.
Mr. Dickinson asked the Council if changing the Sonsteby property to 8-12 units per acre was a
goal and desire of Council. Mayor Trude stated it was a low priority for her. Councilmember
Barthel stated it was a priority. Councilmember Holthus asked if this rezoning was realistic. Mr.
Dickinson stated it is realistic. Councilmember Bukkila stated she pictures units like Arbor Oaks at
this location but not in the redevelopment area.
Councilmember Butler stated his goal is to preserve as much land as possible for single-family
homes. He wants to choose an option that is feasible. He likes higher density near the major roads
but does not support rezoning the church properties as residential. Councilmember Butler stated he
is also not in favor of using the ASN property for residential. He favors a market rate complex near
major thoroughfares. He said if he were a part of the process from the beginning, he would
question the labeling of the density ranges because Andover’s high-density definition is not what
most people think of as high density.
Mr. Dickinson stated if the Sonsteby property was changed to 12-20 units per acre, the church
properties would not need to be used. Councilmember Butler stated he likes townhomes but worries
about spreading too many units throughout the City.
Councilmember Bukkila asked what changing Urban Residential Low to 2.4 units per acre would
look like. Mr. Janish stated lots may have smaller frontage or not set far as back. Mr. Dickinson
said Andover’s minimum lot size is 11,400 square feet and many cities are lower than that.
Councilmember Holthus stated she likes Option 3.3 because she is not a fan of spreading out higher
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density throughout the City because she feels it would encourage investment properties and more
rental units. She asked if using the church properties for residential was feasible. Mr. Dickinson
stated it is feasible and churches often use real estate to fund expansion of their church campus.
Councilmember Holthus asked if the City presented Option 3.3 to the Met Council, would they
respond favorably. Mr. Dickinson stated he thought they would. Mr. Janish stated he thought they
would as well.
Mr. Dickinson expressed the Met Council would probably like the Urban Residential Low number
at 2.4 the best.
Mayor Trude asked Councilmember Holthus what she thought of the plan for the redevelopment
area. Councilmember Holthus responded she thought it could be at a higher density, but her
priority is to not spread medium density (4-8 units per acre) around the City.
Mayor Trude stated there has not been any interest from developers on the redevelopment area at a
density of 8-12 units per acre so changing that area compromises the plan.
Mr. Dickinson stated if it is on the Comprehensive Plan, it can be changed. The Met Council will
generally approve increasing the density but will ask for a revised overall city plan if the area is
requesting a lower density.
Councilmember Bukkila stated Council has similar goals but how they get there is different. She
would like to start narrowing the options down to get to a decision. She stated she is leaning more
towards Option 3.3 and would like to go through it item by item to see if there is Council
consensus.
Councilmember Barthel stated the entire Council has a passion for the Comprehensive Plan and will
need to compromise in a few areas to make sure this works. He stated he does not approve of high
density anywhere in Andover.
Councilmember Bukkila stated she would prefer not to have an apartment building but would
consider an apartment building in the right location. She stated she considers a complex like Arbor
Oaks a large-scale apartment complex.
Mayor Trude stated there were many residents that jumped at the opportunity to rent a unit at Grey
Oaks condos and it proves that a modest apartment building is needed. She stated apartment
complexes can be managed well with a single owner and high standards, whereas townhomes could
have multiple owners, absentee landlords, and a variety of standards.
Councilmember Bukkila stated she works in 42 cities and they all have apartments and townhomes.
She stated the mindset behind apartment buildings is dependent on management and residents.
Councilmember Bukkila stated the City has control over the exterior of a building and no control
over the inside. She stated that is consequences of who lives there and how it is being managed.
She stated neighborhoods with townhomes have neighbors who monitor conditions and activity.
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Mr. Dickinson asked Council if they would like to see the Sonsteby property at 8-12 or 12-20 units
per acre. Councilmember Bukkila stated she is flexible as long as it gets the Council to the end goal.
Councilmember Barthel stated he feels the same way.
Mr. Dickinson asked Council if the land to the west of the ball fields at ASN should be 8-12 or 12-
20 units per acre. Councilmember Barthel asked if this area were set at 12-20, would it eliminate
the pockets of 4-8 units per acre throughout the City. Mr. Dickinson stated setting the Urban
Residential Low at 2.4 relieves the pressure to put 4-8 units per acre parcels throughout the City.
Mr. Dickinson stated putting ASN property at 8-12 helps the affordability factor. Mayor Trude
stated she would like to reduce the 4-8 units per acre spread out in the single-family areas.
Councilmember Butler stated he is willing to do 12-20 units per acre on the west side of town, but
Council needs to be realistic about what they are doing with the church properties.
Mr. Dickinson stated if Council comes to agreement on items, staff will compute the numbers right
away, so Council knows where they stand.
Councilmember Bukkila asked staff to compute what changing the Sonsteby property to 12-20 does
to the density and affordability factor. Mr. Janish stated Option 3.3 meets the Met Council’s
standards and increasing the Sonsteby property to 12-20 units per acre would allow Council to
reduce density in other areas.
Mr. Dickinson stated if the church properties are removed entirely, the City’s number drops below
the 3 units per acre required density.
Council came to consensus to set the density of the Sonsteby property to 12-20 units per acre.
Mr. Law stated that by setting the density of the Sonsteby property at 12-20 units per acre, Council
can reduce 40 acres from 4-8 units per acre to 2.4-4 units per acre.
Mayor Trude asked if the ASN property was included in this proposal. Mr. Dickinson said it is
included at a density of 8-12 units per acre which will translate into townhomes.
Mr. Dickinson summarized what Council has agreed upon thus far: changing Urban Residential
Low from 2.2 to 2.4 units per acre; pulling out as much medium density (4-8 units per acre) from
single-family neighborhoods as possible; setting the Sonsteby property at 12-20 units per acre;
setting the redevelopment area at 8-12 units per acre; and setting the land west of the ASN ball
fields at 8-12 units per acre.
Mr. Dickinson asked the Council to provide feedback on the desired density of the church land.
Mayor Trude stated 4-8 units per acre seemed logical for the church properties because it is the
same density as existing property along Bunker Lake Boulevard. Councilmember Butler agreed to
part of the church properties being set at 4-8 units per acre. The rest of Council concurred.
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Mayor Trude stated she would like the EDA to discuss the redevelopment area and if they think it is
practical to get a project at the 8-12 units per acre. She stated it is important to her to get the area
cleaned up with something modern and new. She does not have a negative view of all apartment
buildings and does not have an issue with a market rate apartment building in Andover.
The Council recessed at 8:49 p.m. to allow staff to update the density computations.
The Council reconvened at 8:56 p.m.
Mr. Janish explained the impact of the Council’s decisions on the numbers for density and
affordable housing stating the City came up short 3.5 acres to reach the 3 units per acre minimum
density.
Mayor Trude suggested raising the density on some acreage on a property identified as “A”. The
rest of Council concurred.
Mr. Janish reviewed the approved changes with Council. Staff found an error in their spreadsheet
which had the area west of the ball fields at ASN at 12-20 units per acre. Mr. Dickinson stated the
EDA would have control over the sale of the area and the development that came in. Council
reached consensus to keep the area west of the ASN ball fields at 8-12 units per acre.
Mr. Law stated the City needs an additional 9 acres at 4-8 units per acre to reach the average 3 units
per acre required by the Met Council. Mayor Trude suggested adding in some acreage on the
church property and some on the property labeled “E”.
Mr. Dickinson stated staff will update the numbers and bring a final draft to the Council meeting on
Tuesday, July 7, 2020.
OTHER BUSINESS
There was none.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Bukkila, Seconded by Barthel, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting
adjourned at 9:10 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Shari Kunza, Recording Secretary
Agenda
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City Council Workshop
Tuesday, June 30, 2020
Council Chambers
1. Call to Order – 7:00 p.m.
2. Comprehensive Plan Update Discussions – Administration/Planning
3. Other Business
4. Adjournment
Some or all members of the Andover City Council may participate in the June 30, 2020 Special
City Council meeting by telephone or video conference rather than by being personally present
at the City Council's regular meeting place at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown
Boulevard NW, Andover, MN 55304. Members of the public can physically attend, although
there is very limited seating in the City Council Chambers as appropriate social distancing will
be done by the Council and visitors.
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