Park & Recreation
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · July 16, 2015
Minutes
PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING – JULY 16, 2015
WORKSHOP MINUTES
A Workshop Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to
order by Chair Stenzel on July 16, 2015, 6:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Commissioners Present: Chair Shane Stenzel, Vice Chair Jim Lindahl,
Commissioners Ted Butler and Mark Miskowiec (arrived at
6:50 p.m.)
Commissioners Absent: Commissioner Sarah Elstrom, Alisa Lewnau and Angela
Marinello
Also Present: Assistant Public Works Director, Todd Haas
Public Works Director/City Engineer, Dave Berkowitz
Dan Lind, HCM
Jerry Hagen, HCM
Nate Ekhoff, Loucks
MEET WITH CONSULTANT/CITY CAMPUS EXPANSION MASTER PLAN/15-23
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed the Park and Recreation Commission is requested to discuss the
ideas that have been suggested with the Consultant (HCM) who was present at the
meeting. The minutes from the June 25, 2015 meeting which specified some of the
thoughts of the Park and Recreation Commission to be in included in as part of the master
plan were provided for Commission review.
A copy of the City Campus Master Plan Study was distributed for Commission review.
HCM and Loucks have been hired by the City to put the plan together. The questionnaire
has been sent out to the stakeholders. HCM and Loucks have met with the City Council.
Feedback from the questionnaire was considered when preparing the City Campus
Master Plan Study. The options will be discussed at the next meeting with the City
Council.
Mr. Jerry Hagen, HCM stated the Park and Recreation Commission is the last group of
stakeholders to be met with. Mr. Dan Lind, HCM reviewed the existing site conditions.
Safety and circulation through the site is a concern. The consults looked at parking very
closely and they will look at shared and adjacent parking.
Mr. Nate Ekhoff, Loucks reviewed the site analysis. He noted the yellow areas on the
map represent the storm water areas. The green areas are wooded acres. The blue circles
show the current parking lots. The blue lines show the current trails around the site.
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Mr. Lind stated there may be opportunities to look at relocation of Purple Park. He
reviewed the Stakeholder Feedback from minutes from the Park and Recreation
Commission. He would like the Commission to prioritize the items listed.
Baseball Fields (2)
Outdoor Hockey Rink
Outdoor Skating Area
Large Playground unique with nature and/or interpretive elements
Green Space with Small Bandshell
Sledding Hill
Water Feature shared element with the YMCA
Parking
Chair Stenzel stated the list looks good; however, he has a concern with the plan being
the Public Works building. Mr. Berkowitz stated all options will be researched. Chair
Stenzel would like to see a defined connection between the Community Center, Sunshine
Park and the green space and hopefully to tie in the two schools. Safe connections are
needed. He does not want to add a lot of bituminous. There needs to be connections
between parking areas. Chair Stenzel stated if the Community Center adds more rinks
then it would make sense to move the outdoor rinks closer to that facility to share
equipment.
Commissioner Butler stated some bituminous will most likely be needed. He stated it has
not been so long since the outdoor hockey rinks were constructed. When looking at entire
site it would make sense to consider moving them closer to the Community Center.
Chair Stenzel stated sports related activities should be grouped and the non-athletic
activities grouped together along with the green space areas.
Commissioner Butler agreed there needs to be a strong connection on the site between
amenities. The additional ball fields were discussed before the possibility of acquiring
property from the school district.
Chair Stenzel stated Purple Park is highly used; however, improvements are needed as it
is dated. He suggested maybe a water feature or naturescape playground would be nice
there. He asked if pervious parking areas could be utilized like they have in Europe.
Commissioner Lindahl stated those areas can’t be plowed. Chair Stenzel stated they are
plowed in Minneapolis.
Commissioner Butler stated the YMCA had expressed interest in having a larger play
structure especially during the summer months. There may be an opportunity to utilize a
partnership with the YMCA.
Chair Stenzel stated anything we do with the YMCA needs to be open to everyone.
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Commissioner Butler stated there may be some times when a splash pad could be open to
everyone. Chair Stenzel stated he disagrees; a splash pad could be built by the City and
maintained by the YMCA.
Commissioner Butler stated a bandshell would be desirable in the master plan since there
really isn’t a gathering place within the City such as a bandshell.
Chair Stenzel stated open green space is programmable. He would like to see a large
picnic shelter constructed which was not on the previous list. Restroom facilities are also
needed in this location. Would like to see a capacity for large groups with electricity,
water, and sinks. He believes that would rent. Perhaps a large and a small shelter could
be constructed.
Mr. Berkowitz asked if the Commission would prefer ball fields or open green space.
Chair Stenzel suggested bandshell, shelter, gathering space for activities. This area could
also be used for Fun Fest. There is more of a need for this than athletic fields.
Commissioner Butler agreed.
Commissioner Lindahl asked what the timeline is for this. Mr. Berkowitz stated the
master plan should be completed by September – October 2015. The project would be
done in pieces and Council would determine what the priority is. Commissioner Lindahl
stated he likes the idea of moving the hockey rinks closer to the Community Center.
Mr. Berkowitz stated the new Recycling Center has just been constructed.
Commissioner Lindahl stated if we go to more green space, then the trails and
connectivity are very important.
Commissioner Butler stated connectivity is critical.
Mr. Ekhoff stated entrances would be consolidated. Hanson Boulevard will be
reconstructed in 2019. Mr. Berkowitz stated Tower Drive would become the main road
into the area. There would also be a connection through to Nightingale Street. The current
access to City Hall would most like be closed. There will be changes for accesses along
Crosstown Boulevard.
Mr. Berkowitz asked if a parking ramp would be considered to save space. Mr. Ekhoff
stated a cost analysis could be done.
The Andover Elementary School parking lot parking is under-utilized on evenings and
weekends however it is not safe to cross the road as a pedestrian.
Chair Stenzel stated there is a disconnect between the neighborhood he lives in to the city
campus area.
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Commissioner Butler asked about a signal near Veterans Memorial Boulevard and
Nightingale Street. Mr. Berkowitz stated he would rather see a full signal than just a
pedestrian flashing light crossing.
Chair Stenzel stated the open green space could be programmed to hold other things such
as farmers markets, art fairs, picnics, reunions, etc.
Chair Stenzel stated Purple Park could be relocated but should have some special
features.
Commissioner Miskowiec arrived at the meeting at 6:50 p.m.
ADJOURN WORKSHOP MEETING
Motion by Butler, seconded by Lindahl, to adjourn the workshop meeting at 6:51 p.m.
Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello) vote.
A Regular Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to order
by Chair Stenzel on July 16, 2015, 6:51 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown
Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
RESIDENT FORUM
No one appeared to address the Commission.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Item 5A is an addition to the agenda – Consider 2015 Tournament Application/North
Metro Firefighters Mutual Aid.
Motion by Miskowiec, seconded by Butler to add Consider 2015 Tournament
Application/North Metro Firefighters Mutual Aid as item 5A on the agenda. Motion
carried on a 4-ayes, 0 nays, 3 absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello) vote.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - June 25, 2015 Minutes
Motion by Lindahl, seconded by Miskowiec, to approve the minutes from the June 25,
2015 Park and Recreation Commission Meeting as presented. Motion carried on a 4-ayes,
0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello) vote.
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CONSIDER APPLICATION FOR SCHEDULED USE OF RECREATIONAL
FACILITIES APPLICATION/FRIDAY FAMILY FLAG FOOTBALL
Mr. Haas reviewed the item, to consider approving the application for scheduled use of
recreational facilities for use of Prairie Knoll Park football field as requested by John
Francis. The group has been using Prairie Knoll Park or Sunshine Park for the past few
years on Friday nights. The first scheduled use of the field is September 11, 2015. Staff
recommends that Prairie Knoll Park West Field be used. The group is not associated with
an organized athletic association. They will be using the field lights so there is a fee
associated with the use of the field since both adults and youth will be using the field.
The fee has been paid.
Motion by Lindahl, seconded by Miskowiec, to approve the application for scheduled use
of recreational facilities for use of Prairie Knoll Park football field as requested by John
Francis. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello)
vote.
CONSIDER 2015 FALL FOOTBALL/SOCCER/LACROSSE SCHEDULE
Mr. Haas reviewed the Park Commission is requested to approve the 2015 fall
soccer/football/lacrosse schedule which also includes the NMSA United Fall Camp. The
City has received applications for use of the fields from the following groups:
Andover Football Association (AFA)
North Metro Soccer Association (NMSA)
Andover Area Lacrosse Association (AALA)
Copies of the by-laws for NMSA, AFA, and AALA are available from City staff for
Commission review if desired. A detailed practice and game schedule are required to be
submitted to Todd Haas, Parks Coordinator and Elizabeth Brouse, Concessions Manager
before the start of the season so the Public Works Parks Department is aware of when
fields need to be mowed and when concessions need to be opened.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked about Fox Meadows Park. Mr. Haas stated it is closed
until further notice. Only minimum maintenance is being done. No practices or games
will be held there.
Motion by Lindahl seconded by Butler, to approve the 2015 fall soccer/football/lacrosse
schedule as submitted. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau
and Marinello) vote.
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CONSIDER 2015 TOURNAMENT APPLICATION/NORTH METRO
FIREFIGHTERS MUTUAL AID
Mr. Haas reviewed the Park and Recreation Commission is to consider a request from the
North Metro Firefighters Mutual Aid for a softball tournament at Sunshine Park. The
proposed tournament would be Saturday, September 12, 2015 at Sunshine Park.
Mr. Jerod Nelson, Tournament Director stated they are requesting two fields at Sunshine
Park. The winner of the tournament each year hosts the tournament the following year.
He does not know how many teams will be included. He requested the fee be waived.
They are comfortable with the damage deposit fee that is required.
Mr. Haas noted the Park and Recreation Commission does not have the authority to
waive the fee but can recommend to the City Council the waiving of the fee. Staff does
not recommend waiving the damage deposit of $250 which has been applied to all non-
profit organizations each year. The refundable damage deposit fee guarantees that
litter/garbage in the fields, parking areas and other portions of the park have been cleaned
up and that there has been no damage to the fields/facilities.
A representative from football stated this group can use two fields for their tournament.
A non-intoxicating beverage permit will be requested with the Andover Lions Club
serving. Coordination will be done with the Concessions Manager. Mr. Haas suggested
the group rent the gazebo where they can provide food to their players.
Motion by Butler, seconded by Miskowiec, to approve the request for 2015 tournament
application/North Metro Firefighters Mutual Aid and recommend to City Council the fees
be waived. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and
Marinello) vote.
CONSIDER 2015 FALL FOOTBALL/BASEBALL/SOFTBALL SCHEDULE
Mr. Haas reviewed this item is to approve the 2015 fall softball/baseball/
football schedule. Applications were received from the Andover Athletic Association
(AAA), Andover Baseball Association (ABA) and the Andover Football Association
(AFA). Copies of the by-laws for AFA, ABA, and AAA are available for review if
desired.
Motion by Lindahl, seconded by Butler, to approve the 2015 softball/baseball/football
schedule. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello)
vote.
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CONSIDER PROTECTIVE NETTING QUOTE AT ANDOVER STATION NORTH
BALL FIELD FACILITY CONT./15-34
Mr. Haas reviewed this item is in regard to considering protective netting quote at
Andover Station North Ball Field Facility. The item was tabled from the last meeting on
June 25, 2015. A layout drawing of where the netting would be placed and an estimate
cost to purchase and install the netting was provided for Commission review.
Mr. Haas stated this is not identified in the Capital Improvement Plan for 2015. The Park
and Recreation Commission may wish to utilize the $15,000 annual miscellaneous fund
that is available each year. With the higher cost, it is unsure what the commitment will be
from the Andover Baseball Association (ABA). Previously ABA committed to pay for
half the cost but that commitment was based on netting of the backstop only.
Mr. Jason Saulsbury, ABA stated they have discussed the proposal with their board. ABA
stated they are not happy with the design. During the week of July 26th, members of the
ABA will meet with the vendor about what would work and what a better plan might be.
They will develop a final plan and bring it back to the Commission. There would be a
new quote with a new design. ABA will be making a significant contribution towards the
cost of the netting.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated he appreciates the ABA taking their time and he’d like
to see it done right the first time.
Chair Stenzel stated his major concern is the balls coming off an adjacent field and going
into the spectator area.
CONSIDER OPEN SPACE COMMISSION REQUEST
Mr. Haas reviewed the Open Space Commission is currently evaluating a parcel of land
that they are interested in. Until the Open Space Commission makes a determination on
the parcel, no action is necessary for now.
ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT 2ND QUARTERLY REPORT
Mr. Haas presented the Andover Park Activity Quarterly Report April 2015 – June 2015
from the Anoka County Sheriff’s Office.
PARK DEDICATION IMPROVEMENT FUND 2ND QUARTERLY
REPORT/FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Mr. Haas presented a quarterly review of the Park Improvement Fund. He provided the
Project Commitment Listing Report, Balance Sheet, and Revenue and Expenditure
Reports for the Park Improvement Fund as of June 30, 2015. No action is required by the
Park and Recreation Commission.
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REVIEW OUTSTANDING ITEMS / MAINTENANCE UPDATE
Mr. Haas reviewed projects and other items of interest along with the weekly parks
maintenance update.
CHAIR’S REPORT
Commissioner Butler stated Rose Park is looking good. He asked if the fields would be
open for fall and Mr. Haas stated the baseball fields will not be ready. The open green
space could be used.
ADJOURNMENT OF REGULAR MEETING
Motion by Butler seconded by Lindahl, to adjourn the regular meeting at 7:30 p.m.
Motion carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello) vote.
A Workshop Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to
order by Chair Stenzel on July 16, 2015, 7:35 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
BEGIN DISCUSSION OF KELSEY ROUND LAKE PLAN MASTER WITH
CONSULTANT/15-11
Mr. Haas reviewed the Park and Recreation Commission is requested to begin
discussions regarding the Master Plan for Kelsey Round Lake Park. WSB was present at
the meeting to begin discussions and will have a few questions and comments for the
Commission. WSB will also be indicating the next step in the process.
Mr. Jason Amberg and Mr. Jeff Feulner from WSB were present to review the plan.
The Commissioners introduced themselves to Jason and Jeff.
Mr. Feulner reviewed the Kelsey Round Lake Nature Park Ecological Elements. There
are three main landforms, wetlands and woodland areas. There is a restored prairie area
that is very dry and could contain any built structures. There are dense, wet vegetation
areas near Round Lake. There is one peak with a potential for an overlook. There is an
Indian burial ground area that has been identified.
Mr. Feulner reviewed the built elements showing the current trail, parking lot, access
locations, there are benches and trashcans throughout the park. There is one mowed path
that goes into the backyard of one of the residents, it follows the powerline. Mr. Haas will
research the mowed path as there may be some liability with the use of mowers on park
property. Additional access points were identified. Mr. Haas will also research the
property line between the homeowner and the edge of the park.
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Mr. Amberg asked if the Commission had other things that they would like included.
Mr. Haas stated the City should research to see if there really is an Indian burial mound.
Commissioner Miskowiec would like to know what area the mound includes with any
setbacks.
Mr. Feulner stated there are no trail loops in the park. Mr. Haas noted there is an eagle
nest in that area which the DNR does not want disturbed.
Chair Stenzel stated he would like to discuss that with the DNR as there are no trails that
come very close to the lake. He would like to see a trail go down to the water. He stated
the trail could go close to the boundary line.
Commissioner Lindahl stated wetlands can be enhanced or filled but if filled would need
to be mitigated.
Mr. Amberg stated if boardwalks are done correctly, there is not a need for mitigation.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked if all trails need be ADA compliant. Mr. Amberg stated
there are exceptions.
Chair Stenzel noted some of the open space trails are not accessible. Interpretive elements
would be nice with a circuit showing key points in the park. The park could be used for
educational purposes. There could be kiosks with information. Could use QR Codes with
more information. A shelter would be nice for groups visiting the park. A restroom on the
north end.
Mr. Feulner provided a list of potential program elements.
Existing and future trails (all seasons), add trail loops
Interpretive elements (educational/historical features)
Wayfinding signage
Restroom north side
Picnic area(s) north side
Natural play environment
XC skiing trail grooming would be needed might not fit the site
Snowshoeing more appropriate in this park
Archery range site is not conducive to this site and the is no room in this park
Canoeing/Kayaking – connection / access to lake – available on the east side of
the lake remove from list perhaps a landing with a small dock at the south east
corner of the lake
Pollinator / Habitat Program interpretive element
Bird / Bat houses – expand existing program
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Wildlife blinds – southeast point of park and wetland areas
Outdoor classroom – smaller nodes throughout the park
Additional parking – would need to go through neighborhood to get to additional
parking. Could go through cul-de-sac. Look at possible expansion of existing
parking lot
Additional suggestions from Fun Fest comments:
Swings - possible
Splash Pad
Monkey bars - possible
Trader Joes
Not soccer fields
Mr. Amberg asked about grills and Mr. Haas stated there wouldn’t be a problem with
that.
Mr. Feulner reviewed the project schedule.
July/August – refine program, assess interpretive opportunities
Set up MindMixer (MySidewalk) project website
September – neighborhood meeting – program items, no concepts- September 17th 6:00
p.m.
September – prepare initial concepts
Late September – City staff review – email to staff
October 15th Park and Recreation Commission
November 5th – Public Open House
Develop preferred concept
Late November City staff review
Assemble final report
Present to City Council
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Butler, seconded by Lindahl, to adjourn the workshop meeting at 8:50 p.m.
Motion carried on 4-ayes, 0-nays, 3-absent (Elstrom, Lewnau and Marinello) vote.
Respectfully Submitted,
Debbie Wolfe, Recording Secretary
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Regular Park & Recreation Commission Meeting
July 16, 2015
6:00 P.M. Workshop Session – Conference Room A & B
AA. Meet with Consultant/City Campus Expansion Master Plan/15-22
7:00 P.M.
1. Call to Order
2. Resident Forum
3. Approval of Minutes (6/25/15) – Regular Meeting
4. Consider Application for Scheduled Use of Recreational Facilities
Application/Friday Family Flag Football
5. Consider 2014 Fall Football/Soccer Schedule
6. Consider 2014 Fall Football/Baseball/Softball Schedule
7. Consider Protective Netting Quote at Andover Station North Ball Field
Facility, Cont./15-34
8. Consider Open Space Commission Request
9. Anoka County Sheriff’s Department 2nd Quarterly Report
10. Park Dedication Improvement Fund 2nd Quarterly Report/Finance
Department
11. Outstanding Items/Maintenance Update
13. Chair’s Report
14. Adjournment
7:15 P.M. Or Shortly Thereafter Workshop Session
A. Begin Discussion of Kelsey Round Lake Plan Master with Consultant/15-
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B. Adjournment
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