Park & Recreation
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · November 21, 2019
Minutes
PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING – NOVEMBER 21, 2019
MINUTES
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was
called to order by Chair Lindahl on November 21, 2019, 7:03 p.m., at the Andover City
Hall, 1885 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Commissioners Present: Chair Jim Lindahl, Commissioners Ted Butler, Kathy
McElhose, Mark Miskowiec, Dawn Perra and Jake
Widmyer.
Commissioners Absent: Commissioner Angela Marinello
Also Present: Assistant Public Works Director, Todd Haas
RESIDENT FORUM
No one appeared to address the Commission.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Miskowiec, seconded by Perra, to approve the October 3, 2019 Park
Commission minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-absent vote.
AGENDA APPROVAL
Motion by Widmyer, seconded by Miskowiec, to approve the November 21, 2019 Park
Commission agenda as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-absent
(Marinello) vote.
CONSIDER 2019-20 HOCKEY RINK SCHEDULE
Assistant Public Works Director Haas reviewed the 2019-2020 hockey rink schedule for
the upcoming season and application submitted by the Andover Huskies Youth Hockey
Association (AHYHA) for the use of outdoor rinks. He noted that Anoka, Coon Rapids,
and St. Francis Youth Hockey Associations have been aware that rinks are available for
them to reserve but over the past few years, none have responded since they have their
own outdoor rinks.
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Mr. Haas noted the AHYHA will provide warming house attendances on Mondays,
Tuesdays, and Thursdays at City Hall Outdoor Complex #1, Crooked Lake School, and
Prairie Knoll Park. The City will provide warming house attendants on Wednesdays,
Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays for these same locations. At Hawkridge Park, the City
will provide warming house attendants 7 days a week throughout the season.
Commissioner Butler noted that there is a rink at the City Hall complex and a rink at
Hawkridge that would still be available for general public use on the nights the hockey
association is using the other rinks.
Motion by Butler, seconded by Perra, to recommend the City Council approve the 2019-
2020 hockey rink schedule as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-absent
(Marinello) vote.
CONSIDER REQUEST/PINE HILLS NORTH STORAGE BUILDING/NORTH
METRO SOCCER ASSOCIATION
Assistant Public Works Director Todd Haas presented requests by the North Metro
Soccer Association (NMSA) to consider allowing a storage building to be constructed at
the Pine Hills North facility. He displayed the garage floor plan and wall configurations
of the storage building the NMSA would like to install at Pine Hills North Facility, noting
the building will need to be donated to the City and the NMSA would then enter into a
lease agreement to use the building for equipment storage.
The storage building is proposed to be 30 feet by 40 feet, which is consistent with the
concept plan that has been approved by the City Council. The building would be placed
on a concrete slap and have electrical service. Mr. Haas explained the NMSA is
requesting the City to cover the Connexus Energy cost of $7,000 to provide service to the
building as well as the excavation and preliminary grading where the building will be
constructed. He noted staff could provide the site grading, but the cost of the electrical
service will need to be discussed by the Park and Recreation Commission. If the
Commission recommends approval to fund the Connexus Energy service, staff
recommends funding from the 2020 Park Improvements Miscellaneous Fund where there
is $15,000 available of these types of projects.
Tony Brown, North Metro Soccer Association, stated that the association is proposing to
construct a new storage facility. He stated that the organization currently uses Prairie
Knoll Park Building (east garage), but that space is becoming too small. He explained
that the construction of this new building would allow Andover Football Association to
utilize both garage spaces at Prairie Knoll Park for their storage needs. He explained that
after construction the building would be City owned and therefore the design is an
attempt to ensure the building could continue to be utilized in the future.
Chair Lindahl stated that the information notes that the City would be requested to supply
power to the building and asked for details.
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Mr. Brown stated that there is electric service available onsite that would need to be
connected to the building with an estimated cost from Connexus Energy of $6,700. He
noted that the gas company stated that there would not be a charge to connect to that
service.
Chair Lindahl asked if the monthly heating bill would be paid by North Metro Soccer
Association.
Mr. Brown confirmed that the organization could pay that expense. He stated that during
the winter months the heat is set at 40 degrees to simply prevent equipment from being
damaged in the cold.
Mr. Haas stated that North Metro Soccer Association would supply all the materials and
labor with the building being donated to the City. He explained that the City is being
asked to pay for the connection to electric service. He noted that currently the City does
not charge any of the other associations for ongoing costs, such as heat and electric.
Commissioner Widmyer asked if there would be additional space available for other
associations.
Mr. Brown stated that there would most likely be additional space for things such as
mowers for use by public works.
Mr. Haas explained that most of the time mowers are hauled from park to park and not
stored onsite at each park.
Commissioner Butler asked if there are any concessions at this park currently. It was
noted that there is not. He suggested that perhaps a concrete apron be added outside the
garage which could allow for a food truck to service events.
Mr. Brown agreed that would be a great idea and would provide an amenity to the events.
Kimberly Carr, Administrator for North Metro Soccer Association, stated that the
Tournament Committee actually asked her this week about the ability to bring in food
trucks for the tournament in May.
Chair Lindahl asked if there would be a gravel driveway to the front of the building to
allow materials to be hauled to and from the storage building, which would also provide
access for a food truck.
Mr. Haas confirmed that they would ensure access in and out and would also review
locations for a concrete slab that could be used by a food truck.
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Commissioner Perra asked whom would be responsible for maintaining the exterior
building as that is proposed to be painted.
Mr. Brown stated that would be open for discussion.
Mr. Haas noted that most of the existing park buildings around the City are brick.
Chair Lindahl stated that he would be concerned that a wooden building could be a fire
risk. He stated that perhaps the building is a minimum of four feet block with hardy
board siding above that.
Commissioner Butler asked and received confirmation that staff will work with the
association on the acceptable building materials.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked if the excavation and grading requested to be completed
by the City would be completed in-house.
Mr. Haas confirmed that staff would be able to complete that grading work since the City
has the equipment to do so.
Commissioner Butler asked if the cost for the electrical service would be allocated from
miscellaneous funds.
Mr. Haas confirmed that to be true. He noted that the Commission could request
additional funds be allocated from the park improvement miscellaneous funds for 2020.
Commissioner Perra stated that she worries about spending funds that the Commission
may not have with two months left in the year, but noted that if funds could be moved
around, she would not be opposed. She stated that she would be concerned with
maintenance of a wood building as well as vandalism.
Commissioner Miskowiec echoed the comments of Commissioner Perra.
Commissioner McElhose stated that this would be a good use for the community. She
commented that the building cost may be more than the organization estimates. She
commented that if the building is donated to the City, should would not think the
association should be responsible for ongoing maintenance and/or utility bills.
Mr. Brown noted that this is a joint venture between soccer and football associations, as
football will receive the benefit of being able to use Prairie Knoll Park garages if soccer
receives approval for this building.
Commissioner Widmyer stated that he supports the building, acknowledging that would
be a huge investment for the association. He stated that he is concerned about spending
half the parks improvement miscellaneous fund on this one request.
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Mr. Brown recognized that $7,000 is a lot, but the City will receive a $40,000 building in
return for that investment.
Commissioner McElhose acknowledged that this would provide a benefit to both soccer
and football associations.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked and received confirmation that the football association
would also be making a financial contribution towards the project.
Commissioner Butler asked for details on the 2019 funds that have been allocated this
year.
Mr. Haas believed that there is still over $7,000 available in the 2019 park miscellaneous
fund that has not been allocated to projects .
Commissioner Butler stated that he likes the partnership between football, soccer and the
City. He noted that this would also help the City move forward towards the desired
master plan for the park. He stated that he also likes the idea of adding the concrete pad
which would make the food truck service available to those attending events in the park.
He stated that he would support the electrical request if an allocation of funds could be
made from this year’s available budget towards the 2020 miscellaneous fund budget.
Chair Lindahl agreed that he is also supportive of the project. He noted that this is a
well-used park and could use additional amenities. He also suggested that a request be
made to the City Council to increase the balance of the miscellaneous funds for 2020 if
the balance from 2019 cannot be rolled over.
Motion by Butler, seconded by McElhose, to recommend the City Council approve the
request from the North Metro Soccer Association (NMSA) to allow a storage building to
be constructed at Pine Hills North Facility, continent upon availability of rollover funding
from the 2019 miscellaneous funds to be used for funding the connection of electrical
service to the building. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-absent (Marinello) vote.
CONSIDER REQUEST/PRAIRIE KNOLL PARK/ANDOVER FOOTBALL
ASSOCIATION
Assistant Public Works Director Todd Haas presented the request by the Andover
Football Association (AFA) to redesign Prairie Knoll Park. He noted the AFA proposes
to shift the existing west and northwest field farther north, which will provide additional
parking at the south end. However, moving the fields farther north would reduce parking
on the north end of the park. The other option is to eliminate the northwest field.
Mr. Haas explained that moving the fields north will result in the field lights for the west
field to be relocated, which will need to be evaluated by an electrical engineering
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company so there will be consulting fees associated with that evaluation. Other items
that will need to be evaluated, such as the repositioning and regrading of fields,
restoration of the field, and costs associated with the redesign, can be determined by staff.
Jason Strasser, Andover Football Association, stated that parking has been an issue at the
park. He stated that people are parking illegally in the ditch. He noted that they did
implement parking attendants which helped to increase efficiency but does come with an
added cost. He stated that they would propose to survey the property, as the north field is
no longer used by any other sports. He provided details on the proposed layout of the site
which would create a larger parking lot on the south where the activities are more
focused. He stated that Andover Football would propose to donate the materials and time
in order to support this reconfiguration. He stated that this is a concept and is the parking
lot is big enough parking could be removed from one side of Prairie Knoll which would
make that roadway safer as well. He recognized that moving the lights and irrigation
would not be cheap. He asked if the City would be interested in moving this concept
forward.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked if the association realizes that this reconfiguration would
take the park out of action for sports for at least one playing season.
Mr. Strasser recognized the time that would be required. He noted that this process
would also help to address the drainage issues that exist on the field.
Mr. Haas confirmed that work is needed on at least one of the fields. He stated that if this
were to move forward the City would look to use more of a sand mixture in the final
grade to assist with drainage.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated that the park was constructed at a time when the final
use was not known, and it is heavily used now. He stated that he would be interested in
knowing additional cost information.
Mr. Strasser stated that perhaps this reconfiguration would be better than the cost for
paving the north lot.
Commissioner Perra stated that she has been opposed to paving the north lot as people
are at the park for activities on the southern portion and therefore prefer to park in that
southern area. She stated that she would also be interested in knowing more about the
cost.
Commissioner Miskowiec stated that he would be interested in additional cost
information but noted that the Commission would not have the necessary funds any time
in the future.
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Commissioner McElhose stated that she agrees with the proposed layout but recognized
the costs that would be challenging including moving the lights and irrigation and
shifting the fields.
Mr. Strasser stated that the poles currently installed are permanent which prevent the
fields from being shifted. He stated that there has been interest in having portable goal
poles which would allow shifting. He noted that his intent was to determine is this would
be an option rather than the cost to pave the north lot. He stated that he was simply
asking if the Commission was interested in having the site surveyed to determine if this
would be an option.
Chair Lindahl stated that he has also been opposed to paving the north lot because people
are not using it and agreed that this would be a preferred solution. He stated that the cost
for paving could still be covered but reviewed the other costs that would need to be paid.
Mr. Haas noted that City staff could complete the survey work.
Commissioner Butler stated that he is intrigued and would like to see at least some rough
costs. He stated that part of the issue with paving the north lot is the dust/gravel and
complaints from the neighbors. He stated that with this concept, the north lot could be
significantly reduced. He noted that once a rough cost is known he would also be
interested in knowing the final park count to determine if this would ultimately solve the
issue of parking. He explained that if this created less parking than paving the north lot,
that would not solve the parking issues.
Commissioner McElhose agreed that this concept would make more sense as most of the
activities occur in the southern portion of the park.
Commissioner Butler asked if any sports are using the north field.
Mr. Strasser commented that football uses the north field sometimes for practice or
warmups as the field is not lit. He recommended that a small amount of greenspace
remain in that area for warmup/practice space. He stated that once real numbers are
known there could be further discussion on how those elements could be funded. He
explained that if those improvements are completed, it would most likely improve the
park for use by others outside of the football association as well. He agreed that it would
come down to feasibility and financials.
Chair Lindahl asked if City staff could complete preliminary estimates on some of those
items to provide a rough cost estimate.
Mr. Haas asked if neighbors should be notified at this process.
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Commissioner Perra stated that the decision whether or not to move forward would be
dependent upon the cost estimate and therefore would not see a reason to engage
neighbors until after those costs are determined.
Commissioner McElhose stated that it is possible that this project may not be feasible
because of cost and therefore would not see a reason to involve neighbors until that is
known.
Chair Lindahl stated that he would also be interested in determining whether the needed
parking numbers would be provided through this concept and until that is determined it
would not be known as to whether this would be feasible.
Mr. Haas reviewed the items that could be completed by staff and noted that the cost to
move the lights would require use of a consultant.
Commissioner Perra asked if there is a place for the football association to use for the
year that would be required for construction.
Mr. Strasser confirmed that they would combine practice fields and would utilize
Sunshine Park. He stated that he is simply asking for the study to be completed to
determine the cost, noting that once the cost is known additional feasibility could be
determined.
Commissioner Butler asked the estimated cost for the electrical survey element.
Mr. Haas commented that he did not believe that would be a large cost.
Commissioner McElhose asked where the funding would come from for the survey work.
Mr. Strasser stated that there are estimate costs for Andover Station North and explained
that this is simply a ballpark estimate and therefore perhaps a ballpark cost could be used.
Mr. Haas stated that he would recommend using a consultant to determine the actual
costs. He noted that he could speak with the consultant working on the Andover Station
North and determine if a rough ballpark estimate could be gained.
Chair Lindahl stated that there are some easy things that could be done to determine a
rough cost that would answer the necessary questions.
Commissioner Miskowiec agreed that if enough parking could not be provided, that
would also answer the question of whether this could be feasible without investing much
additional time or effort.
Motion by Commissioner Butler seconded by Commissioner Perra, to direct staff to
complete a rough evaluation of the total cost for implementation of this concept and total
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number of parking stalls that would be provided, without allocating funds on the process.
Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-absent (Marinello) vote.
REVIEW OF THE KELSEY ROUND LAKE PARK TRAIL PLAN/18-33
Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to review of the layout for Kelsey Round
Lake Park, Project 18-33. He referenced the trail layout and explained the final plan will
be included as a bid package with the Andover Station North Trail Connection and Hills
of Bunker Lake West Park trail construction projects. This section of trail will be funded
through a MnDNR Outdoor Recreation Grant and the Park Dedication Fund.
Mr. Haas noted the previous trail alignment was located in a low area where water could
pond during the spring thaw when the ground is still frozen and during heaver rain events
so alignment on the west side of the park has been shifted a little to the east for drainage
reasons. The second alignment location is near the north end due to some poor soils
found while sampling soil along the previously proposed location. He explained that
locating the trail farther south allows the trail to be constructed in good soils.
Commissioner Butler asked if there have been any neighbor complaints since the grass
trails have been implemented.
Mr. Haas confirmed that there have not been any complaints, noting that the alignment
would even move a little further north and east, aware from adjacent residential property.
Mr. Haas noted that staff will prepare an agenda item to the City Council to approve the
plans and specifications and advertise for bids in January 2020.
REVIEW OF THE ANDOVER STATION NORTH TRAIL CONNECTION
PLANS/18-34
Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to review of the layout for Andover Station
North Trail Connection Plan, Project 18-34. He reviewed the proposed layout, noting the
final plan will be included as a bid package with the Kelsey Round Lake Park and Hills
of Bunker Lake West Park trail reconstruction projects. This section of trail will be
funded through a MNDNR Local Trail Connection Grant and the Trail Fund.
Commissioner McElhose referenced a cut in on the trail and asked why the trail is
aligned in that manner.
Mr. Haas explained that alignment avoids the existing stormwater ponds.
Commissioner Widmyer asked if there will be a problem completing that project by the
deadline.
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Mr. Haas confirmed that work would begin as soon as possible in the spring and therefore
the project would be completed prior to the necessary deadline.
Mr. Haas noted that staff will prepare an agenda item to the City Council to approve the
plans and specifications and advertise for bids in January 2020.
ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT 3RD QUARTERLY REPORT
A list of reports generated by the Anoka County Sheriff’s Office regarding City park
activity for the 3rd Quarter was provided for Commission review.
Informational; no action required.
PARK DEDICATION IMPROVEMENT FUND 3RD QUARTERLY REPORT/
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Mr. Haas reviewed the Project Commitment Listing Report, Balance Sheet, and Revenue
and Expenditure Reports for the Park Improvement Fund as of third quarter 2019 as
prepared by Finance Manager Lee Brezinka.
Commissioner Widmyer referenced the balance for Rose Park and asked if those
improvements could eventually be moved ahead of schedule to occur earlier.
Mr. Haas confirmed that those funds could be used for any improvements as long as they
occur within the park.
Chair Lindahl agreed that the Commission could review that option in the future.
Informational; no action required.
REVIEW OUTSTANDING ITEMS
Commissioner Butler stated that the community center expansion is moving along, noting
that the southwest parking lot has been reopened. He stated that the YMCA has also
initiated its own project for expansion to the south to add expand gymnasium and daycare
areas, as well as expansion of fitness area on the second flood.
Commissioner Widmyer asked the overall target date for completion.
Commissioner Butler stated that it was his understanding that the City portion should be
complete by August and the YMCA portion complete by perhaps June.
Mr. Haas reviewed outstanding items. He advised of an upcoming public meeting that
will take place on December 5th. He referenced a recent neighborhood survey that was
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sent out with low return rates and noted that staff will place some signs with the survey
website listed in attempt to gain additional input.
Commissioner Miskowiec asked what the zero-turn mower could be used for in the
winter.
Mr. Haas noted that are converted with plows/brushes to be used for snow removal at the
rinks and on trails.
CHAIR’S REPORT
Chair Lindahl had nothing further to report.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Miskowiec, seconded by Widmyer, to adjourn the workshop meeting at 8:30
p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-absent vote.
Respectfully Submitted,
Amanda Staple, Recording Secretary
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Regular Park & Recreation Commission Meeting
November 21, 2019
7:00 P.M. Meet at Andover City Hall
1. Call to Order
2. Resident Forum
3. Approval of Minutes (10/3/19)
4. Agenda Approval
5. Consider 2019-20 Hockey Rink Schedule
6. Consider Request/Pine Hills North Storage Building/North Metro Soccer
Association
7. Consider Request/Prairie Knoll Park/Andover Football Association
8. Review of the Kelsey Round Lake Park Trail Plan/18-33
9. Review of the Andover Station North Trail Connection Plans/18-34
10. Anoka County Sheriff’s Department 3rd Quarterly Report
11. Park Dedication Improvement Fund 3rd Quarterly Report/Finance
Department
12. Outstanding Items
13.
14. Chair’s Report
15. Adjournment
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