Planning & Zoning
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · August 8, 2017
Minutes
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING – AUGUST 8, 2017
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was
called to order by Chairperson Daninger on August 8, 2017, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover
City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Commissioners present: Timothy Cleven, Scott Hudson, Bert Koehler IV, and Kyle
Nemeth
Commissioners absent: Steve Peterson and Jeff Sims
Also present: Community Development Director Joe Janish
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: June 13, 2017 Regular Meeting Minutes and June 27,
2017 Work Session Meeting Minutes.
Chairperson Daninger noted the June 27, 2017 work session meeting minutes were
already approved.
Commissioner Nemeth requested a correction to:
- Page 3, line 4, so it reads “…Commissioner Koehler…”
- Page 3, line 25, so it reads “…City Council…
- Page 3, line 31, “Commissioner Koehler…”
- Page 4, Lines 24 and 36, “…Commissioner Koehler…”
Commissioner Koehler requested a correction to:
- Page 2, line 22, so it reads “…inquired about a similar…”
- Page 4, line 19, so it reads “…knowing that concerns expressed…”
Motion by Nemeth, seconded by Koehler, to approve the June 13, 2017 Regular meeting
minutes as corrected above. Motion carried on a 5-ayes, 0-nays, 0-present, 2-absent vote
(Peterson, Sims).
PUBLIC HEARING: Conditional Use Permit – Commercial Animal Training Facility
– 15827 7th Avenue NW – Joann Neve
Chairperson Daninger reviewed the public process with the audience.
Community Development Director Janish noted the purpose of this item is to hold a
public hearing and take input on a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for a commercial
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animal training facility at 15825 7th Avenue NW, an existing building on approximately 2
acres located in the southwest quadrant of 7th Avenue and Valley Drive. Community
Development Director Janish reviewed the proposed commercial animal training facility
with the Commission. This use can be allowed as a CUP in the neighborhood business
district. This 3,500-sq. ft. building is often referred to as the Old Tom Thumb site or Old
Quick Stop site.
Community Development Director Janish stated the Planning Commission is asked to
hold a public hearing and provide a recommendation to the City Council regarding the
CUP request. He referred to two supplements distributed earlier this evening including a
copy of two brochures outlining Pack Leader Behavior and Training from the applicant
and an email of questions and concerns from Robert and Faith Whitcraft, 16002 Valley
Drive NW.
Community Development Director Janish referred to a question from a Commissioner
regarding Chapter 12 Commercial/Industrial Permitted, Permitted Accessory,
Conditional, Interim and Prohibited Uses and how animal training falls within a
neighborhood business. He referred to the Chapter’s footnotes that states “for uses not
specifically identified but similar in character if related to other uses”. He further noted
larger pet stores do allow for dog training and staff felt this use falls under retail or
veterinarian use with animals coming and going from the site. Community Development
Director Janish said the use will have no grooming or overnight stays and the brochure
provided refers to child pet safety courses, obedience training and others.
Chairperson Daninger referred to the submitted questions from Robert and Faith
Whitcraft and asked staff to respond. Community Development Director Janish reviewed
how outdoor training and demos would be conducted indoors, lease terms are not
specifically shared with the City, hours of operation, daily vehicle traffic is estimated to
be less than a convenience store, proposed improvements including updates to electrical,
plumbing, HVAC, that building code for commercial operations would need to be met as
part of the updates, inspection for contamination such as gasoline or asbestos, signage,
and risk and impact assessment on Fox Meadows Park.
Commissioner Koehler stated he would be recusing himself from consideration of this
item as he and the applicant have been friends for many years.
Commissioner Hudson inquired if staff knows of any concerns with the applicant’s
current location. Community Development Director Janish said staff is not aware of any
concerns at the applicant’s current location, however an individual this evening noted
prior to the meeting they believed that outside training was conducted at the current site,
but has not confirmed that event.
Commissioner Hudson asked if parking was based on what was done previously.
Community Development Director Janish stated parking for this site would be calculated
as the past site was calculated at 1/200 square feet.
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Commissioner Hudson inquired about the current zoning of the Neighborhood Business
District. Community Development Director Janish said the current site is zoned General
Business District and the proposed site is Neighborhood Business District.
Commissioner Nemeth inquired about signage requirements if signs are not utilized by
the road, building or both. Community Development Director Janish said signage is
based on the two acres and the applicant would be issued sign permits per district
requirements.
Commissioner Nemeth asked if the road or building sign would have to be removed if not
utilized. Community Development Director Janish said the existing lettering would have
to be removed and left as a blank face sign but noted the applicant intended to utilize both
signage locations.
Chairperson Daninger asked if dogs were allowed in parks. Community Development
Director Janish said dogs are allowed if kept under control and leashed.
Chairperson Daninger referred to parking on the nearby cul-de-sac which should be
referred to as Old Valley Drive NW. Community Development Director Janish said
potential redevelopment of the cul-de-sac with improvements to Fox Meadows would be
beneficial to allow parking versus parking along Fox Street.
Motion by Nemeth, seconded by Cleven, to open the public hearing at 7:23 p.m. Motion
carried on a 5-ayes, 0-nays, 2-absent vote (Peterson, Sims).
Randy Lindgren, 15801 Dakota Street, inquired hours and days of operation, number of
daily classes, capacity, and potential expansion of classes or shifts.
Bob Woodcraft, 16002 Valley Drive NW, referred to his submitted email and shared
concerns about the condition of the site. He said while he was delighted to have a viable
business at this location as it has been a public nuisance that should have been addressed
years ago and shared concerns about why it took so long to hold the property owner
accountable.
Joann Neve, Pack Leader Behavior & Training, LLC, 5701 Ambassador Boulevard, St.
Francis, applicant, explained classes would be held on Tuesdays 6:00-8:30 p.m.,
Wednesdays 6:00-7:00 p.m., Thursdays 6:00-8:30 p.m., Saturdays 9:00 a.m.-1:00 p.m.
and Sundays 10:00 a.m.-1:00 p.m. She reviewed class expansion possibilities but noted
she still has to work within people’s schedules and that any daytime classes would likely
be seminars for dog owners only. Ms. Neve said they intended to use both signs that
would include their logo and simple text only and will be resurfacing the parking lot,
maintaining the weeds, and removing the graffiti. She said she will inform folks that
dogs are not allowed in the park.
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Commissioner Cleven inquired about class length. Ms. Neve said classes last between 50
minutes to one hour and that there would not be more than 18 cars at one time.
Commissioner Nemeth asked how many classes the applicant holds currently. Ms. Neve
said she holds two classes per day with open time in between so there are not too many
dogs onsite at one time.
Commissioner Nemeth asked how many individuals are typically present. Ms. Neve said
summer is slow but attendance increases from September through Thanksgiving and then
again in the spring. She said summer classes are usually 5-8 per class increasing to 12
per class during the winter months, adding she may add an additional staff person when
busy, to help with training.
Commissioner Nemeth referred to clean-up of dog waste. Ms. Neve said she is diligent
regarding dog waste because puppies are present before all shots are complete, making
the waste potentially contagious and a health risk to all dogs onsite.
Commissioner Nemeth said he agreed with the proposed sign usage and stressed the
importance that the park is not used for dogs after class. Ms. Neve said since classes are
held in the evening dog owners typically want to go home right after class.
Commissioner Cleven asked if the applicant intends to sell products onsite. Ms. Neve
said she only sells treats and harnesses for use during class.
Chairperson Daninger referred to hours of operation. Ms. Neve suggested no animals
onsite after 9:00 p.m. but that seminars be held until 10:00 p.m.
Commissioner Nemeth inquired if times of operation for retail are already established in
the zoning code.
Chairperson Daninger suggested including language about no later or no earlier than a
specific time, such as 10:00 p.m. and inquired about proposed improvements in the
building. Ms. Neve explained the building will include all new electrical, heating and
plumbing.
Chairperson Daninger noted site plan review will occur for improvements including
parking. Ms. Neve said she intends to repave and stripe the parking lot including the area
that currently has sand piles.
Chairperson Daninger confirmed all training will occur indoors.
Mr. Whitcraft asked for clarification on the parking lot and access from Old Valley Drive
and 7th Street and if repaved will join the entrance to Old Valley Drive. Community
Development Director Janish said access would remain as is and striping to match City
Code. He said the Commercial Site Plan process will determine parking locations and if
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additional pavement will be needed or pavement will be removed from the site and if any
landscaping would be required to block headlights.
Mr. Whitcraft referred to overflow parking in the cul-de-sac from the park and concerns
about parking at the business occurring and asked if conditions are not followed what is
the process to address concerns. Chairperson Daninger explained the Planning
Commission makes recommendations for the City Council and how follow-up can be
done at City Hall or the Council level.
Community Development Director Janish explained if the applicant wishes to expand in
the future the City would review the possibility through a CUP amendment which would
include public notice for another public hearing and process, site plan review, and
building permits. He added if the applicant operates differently than what is approved by
the Council, the City, could in the worst-case scenario, act to revoke the CUP.
Anteneh Tsadik, 4141 160th Avenue NW, said he was pleased to see the site
improvements and stressed the importance of specific hours of operation to mitigate noise
impacts and safety concerns for the residential area.
Motion by Nemeth, seconded by Cleven, to close the public hearing at 7:51 p.m. Motion
carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 1-present (Koehler) 2-absent vote (Peterson, Sims).
Commissioner Nemeth inquired about hours of operation outlined in City Code, similar
to when Wal-Mart requested to be open 24 hours a day. Community Development
Director Janish said hours could be included as part of the CUP process and suggested
before Council consideration, staff research or include language in the Resolution that
states specific hours unless City Code has a stricter time frame.
Chairperson Daninger asked how barking concerns would be addressed and suggested
screening or other noise buffering techniques. Community Development Director Janish
stated site plan review has not occurred yet but that parking requirements adjacent to
residential property triggers potential screening. He noted the site is surrounded by
public right-of-way and is like an island and does not really abut residential property.
Chairperson Daninger asked what other uses are allowed on this site. Community
Development Director Janish reviewed potential uses allowed by zoning.
Commissioner Nemeth suggested closing hours of 9:30 p.m.
Commissioner Cleven suggested limiting hours to 6:00 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays.
Commissioner Nemeth referred to anticipated traffic on adjacent streets with Fox
Meadows Park. He said he is pleased to see a business moving in and improvement but
expressed concern on the number of people attending classes.
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Motion by Nemeth, seconded by Cleven, to recommend to the City Council approval of a
Conditional Use Permit for commercial animal training on property located at 15825 7th
Avenue NW, subject to the conditions contained in the draft resolution and including
hours of operation of 9:00 a.m. - 9:30 p.m. 7 days per week or per City Code. Motion
carried on a 4-ayes, 0-nays, 1- present (Koehler), 2-absent vote (Peterson, Sims).
Community Development Director Janish stated this item would be before the City
Council at their August 15, 2017 City Council meeting.
OTHER BUSINESS.
Community Development Director Janish said the next Planning Commission meeting
will be held on August 22 at 7:00 p.m. with a possible work session prior to the meeting.
Commissioner Nemeth noted the June 13 meeting minutes referred to discussion on
accessory building size and kennels and asked if that item will be before the Commission
soon. Community Development Director Janish said staff is compiling other zoning code
amendments for review and will bring them forward late fall or early winter.
Commissioner Nemeth confirmed a work plan summary will be distributed for 2016 and
referred to City Code amendments and meeting minutes passed for Chapter 12.
ADJOURNMENT.
Motion by Koehler, seconded by Cleven, to adjourn the meeting at 8:06 p.m. Motion
carried on a 5-ayes, 0-nays, 2-absent vote (Peterson, Sims).
Respectfully Submitted,
Cathy Sorensen, Recording Secretary
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
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Andover Planning and Zoning Commission
Regular Meeting Agenda
August 8, 2017
7:00 PM
Andover City Hall
City Council Chambers
7:00 p.m.
1. Call to Order
2. Approve June 13, 2017 regular meeting minutes and June 27, 2017 work session
meeting minutes
3. Public Hearing: Conditional Use Permit - Commercial Animal Training Facility
- 15825 7th Ave NW – Joann Neve
4. Other Business
5. Adjournment
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