Police & Fire Pension
Regular MeetingBattle Creek, MI · May 15, 2023
Minutes
POLICE & FIRE PENSION BOARD MEETING
DATE: MAY 15, 2023
CITY HALL, ROOM 302A
TIME: 1:30 P.M.
Present: Stan Chubinski, Ed Guzzo, Tammy Giannunzio, Jake Martin, and Chris Rabbitt.
Also Present: Lily Vardell (Police & Fire Pension Administrator), Jeremy Tollas (CAPTRUST),
Michelle Hull (Human Resources Director), and Doug Bagwell (Police Lieutenant.)
Chair Chubinski asked for approval of the agenda. Motion Guzzo, seconded by Rabbitt. On a
voice vote, motion carried.
Presented minutes of the regular meeting from April 20, 2023. Motion Giannunzio, seconded
by Guzzo to approve the regular meeting minutes from April 20, 2023. On a voice vote, motion
carried.
Bank Summary of Assets & Expense Report:
As of 4/30/2023, the market value of the portfolio was $163,629,579.80, a gain of
$1,563,473.39 from the 3/31/2023 balance.
For the month of April, the following expenses were deducted:
Expense Type Payee Amount Frequency Additional Details
Investment Fees Loomis Sayles & Co 30,104.26 Quarterly 1/1/23‐3/31/23
Total Investment Fees 30,104.26
Administrative Fee Loomis 13.69 As Needed Misc Recovery Expense
Invoice Fee Comerica Bank 12,347.08 Quarterly 1/1/23‐3/31/23
Misc Fees 10.00 As Needed x1 Class Action Handling Fee
Conference Registration MAPERS 700.00 As Needed x2 MAPERS Conf Registrations
Total Admin. Fees 13,070.77
Motion Giannunzio, seconded by Guzzo to accept the financial reports and quarterly bank
summaries submitted for April. On a voice vote, motion carried.
Board Reports
Chubinski ‐ none
Giannunzio – none
Guzzo ‐ none
Martin – none
Rabbitt ‐ none
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Vardell
Travis Black, Police Officer, terminated on 4/6/23.
o A letter regarding his options for withdrawal was sent 4/24/23.
o Travis withdrew his contributions totaling $12,658.18.
o A lump sum payment was issued to Travis on 5/2/23.
Austin Brophy, Firefighter, terminated on 4/22/23.
o A letter regarding his options for withdrawal was sent 5/9/23.
David Kellogg, Fire Dept retiree, passed away 4/22/23.
o His 5/1/23 payment was returned and replaced with a pro‐rated portion for 22
days in April.
o This final payment of $1,979.13 was made on 5/3/23.
o His surviving spouse, Linda Kellogg, has been sent the necessary paperwork to
begin her benefit payments. Once this paperwork is completed:
o Linda will receive a pro‐rated May benefit payment of $431.81.
o Linda’s regular benefit payments of $1,619.29 will begin on 6/1/23.
Iris Bush, surviving spouse of Fire Dept retiree Bob Bush, passed away 4/29/23.
o Her 5/1/23 payment was returned and replaced with a pro‐rated portion for 29
days in April.
o This final payment of $1,669.53 was made on 5/9/23.
Old Business
BCPD Proposal on Re‐employment of a Retiree – Review Legal Opinion:
o Comment from Chubinski – after reviewing the Attorney’s opinion, it looks like the
bottom line is that they are suggesting a Letter of Understanding for this Proposal.
o Comment from Bagwell – BCPD met with the Union to see if they agreed with the
Proposal. We have to determine if the re‐hired retirees will contribute into the
Pension Fund once they are re‐hired, or if they will be exempt. The re‐hired
retirees will not be eligible for any additional benefits due to their re‐employment.
o Comment from Hull – if we hire a P&F retiree, the current Board Policy states we
have to suspend their pension benefits while they are working. Currently, when a
retiree is re‐hired, they begin contributing to the Pension Fund again out of their
paychecks as an employee. When they leave employment, they can begin
collecting their pension benefits again and withdraw any additional contributions
they made plus interest.
o Comment from Bagwell – hypothetically, if we do not hire a retiree and instead
hire a new employee, that retiree would still be receiving their monthly pension
benefit and the new employee would be contributing into the Pension Fund. Say
that new employee decides to terminate their employment with the City after two
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years. We would have to pay the employee back their contributions plus two
percent interest. This proposal could work the same way, but the Board could
write a policy to instead pay the retiree zero interest on their withdrawn
contributions. That would at least be a benefit to the Pension Fund for re‐hiring a
retiree. The Act would allow for this as it states the maximum interest we need
to pay an employee is 2%, it does not require a minimum.
o Comment from Hull – I just want to be clear that there are two options on the
table:
1. The re‐hired retiree is allowed to receive their pension and they
contribute to the Pension Fund out of their new paychecks. When they
leave, they withdraw their new contributions but receive no interest
income.
2. The re‐hired retiree is allowed to receive their pension but is excluded
from contributing to the Pension Fund out of their new paychecks.
o Comment from Bagwell – I know it was discussed at the last meeting, but there
are many benefits to hiring retirees to fill these Bronson positions. We are having
a hard time finding people to fill the positions now, and it is unfair to station a new
employee there who has just gotten out of training. A retiree would know all of
our policies and procedures already.
o Question from Chubiniski – was there any discussion between the City and the
Union to have this Proposal mirror the DROP program?
Answer from Hull – if we were to hold their monthly pension benefits in
an account while they were working as a re‐hire, then we would have to
treat it as a DROP program.
Response from Chubinski – if we were to treat this Proposal like a DROP,
we would already have a system and practices in place to manage it.
Response from Hull – The Union would like to see that we are not
suspending their benefit payments at all, so we would prefer to not treat
this Proposal as a DROP.
o Question from Martin – what prevents the re‐hired retiree from laterally moving
out of the Bronson position and bidding on a different position?
Response from Bagwell – we will make sure in the agreement between
the City and the Union that the re‐hired retirees would only be eligible to
work the Bronson position. We can also cap the position at a two‐year
term and re‐evaluate the need for the position at that time, based on BCPD
staffing and if the Bronson contract is continuing with BCPD.
o Comment from Rabbitt – it would be beneficial to the Pension Fund if the re‐hired
retirees paid into the Pension System as opposed to being excluded. That way,
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the Pension Fund could earn and keep interest from their contributions. I would
prefer this option rather than them being excluded, because that doesn’t benefit
the Pension Fund at all.
o Comment from Chubinski – before the Board can adjust its policy regarding the
re‐hire of a retiree, we need to see a Letter of Understanding between the City
and the Union so we have a foundation for our decision.
o Question from Bagwell – before we move forward with a Letter of Understanding,
what is the Board’s preference on the terms of this Proposal? Would you rather
them not contribute in to the Pension Fund upon rehire, or should they contribute
with the ability to withdraw their contributions once they leave and the Pension
Fund keeps the interest?
Response from Chubinski – We prefer that they contribute to the Pension
Fund upon rehire.
o Comment from Chubinski – there is always the concern of what this looks like to
the Public. We are paying a retiree their pension and paying them a salary.
Response from Rabbitt – we can justify it by showing how much it costs to
hire and train new police officers.
o Comment from Martin – in addition to seeing the Letter of Understanding, we
would also want to hear from an actuary to understand the potential costs or
benefits to the Pension Fund because of this agreement.
Tabled for further discussion – The Board will need the Letter of Understanding between the
City and the Union, and a review from an actuary before revising their Policy on the re‐hire of a
retiree.
New Business
Policy Review – Correction of Errors, Over or Under Payments:
o Policy was reviewed and no changes were made.
CAPTRUST: Tollas provided a First Quarter investment report:
o Year‐to‐date, US Bonds are up 3%, compared to being down 13% in 2022.
o This is the second straight quarter we have had fairly substantial positive returns.
o Growth has substantially outperformed value in the first quarter. High‐
performing sectors this Quarter were Technology, Retail, and Communication
Services.
o This quarter has shown an increase in short‐term interest rates. Mortgage rates
continue to increase.
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o Food and energy prices have decreased. Consumer sentiment has improved with
lower costs.
o The total portfolio performance return is at 5.54% for the Quarter.
o PIMCO Low Duration is marked for concern in the overall Investment Review. It
lags behind in the investment review because it is shorter duration and more
conservative. However, it continues to perform well for its objective. It is less
volatile and pairs well with Loomis.
CAPTRUST: Tollas provided an April investment update:
o As of 4/30/23, the total portfolio was up 0.85%, bringing the calendar year‐to‐date
total up to 6.44%.
CAPTRUST: Tollas provided a Proposed Trade to raise cash:
o There is just over $640,000 available in the Comerica Cash Account. On average,
there are outflows of about $550,000 a month from this account.
o CAPTRUST is making their annual proposal to raise $4.5 million in cash to support
about nine months of benefit payments.
o In order to raise the cash, CAPTRUST is proposing to sell three equity funds: $2
million from Fidelity 500 Index, $1.5 million from American Funds Europacific
Growth, and $1 million from Hartford International Opportunities.
Motion Martin, seconded by Rabbitt to approve CAPTRUST’s proposed trades to raise cash for
benefit payments and rebalance the Fund. On a voice vote, motion carried.
Public Comment – none
*The Board went into a closed session to discuss a disability retirement re‐examination.
Next regular meeting: Monday, June 12th at 10:00 AM
Meeting adjourned at 2:36pm
Respectfully submitted,
Lily Vardell, Recording Secretary
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Board Member signature Board Member signature
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Agenda
POLICE & FIRE PENSION BOARD MEETING
DATE: MAY 15, 2023
CITY HALL, ROOM 302A
TIME: 1:30 P.M.
AGENDA
Call to Order
Roll Call
Approval of Agenda
Approval of Minutes – Regular meeting held April 20, 2023.
Bank Summary of Assets & Expense Reports – April
Quarterly Bank Statement Summary – April
Board/Administrator Reports:
• Chubinski
• Giannunzio
• Guzzo
• Martin
• Rabbitt
• Vardell
Old Business
• BCPD Proposal on Re-employment of a Retiree & Policy – Legal Opinion
New Business
• Policy Review – Correction of Errors, Over or Under Payments
• CAPTRUST
Public Comment
Closed session to discuss disability retirement re-examination.
Next meeting: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 @ 1:30 p.m.
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