Ordinance & Legal Review Committee
Regular MeetingBelleville, IL · October 8, 2013
Minutes
APPROVED
CITY OF BELLEVILLE
MINUTES
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
8 OCTOBER 2013 6:00 PM
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Chairmen to Announce Evacuation Procedure
It was explained to all present that in the event of a fire or other emergency all present are to
calmly leave the room and gather in the Southwest Quadrant of the Public Square in front of the
St. Clair County Courthouse and wait for the all clear message. In the case of a Tornado or other
disastrous condition all present should head directly to the basement of this building using the
steps or garage entrance.
Members Present:
Alderman James Musgrove (Chairman)
Alderman Melinda Hult
Alderman Ken Kinsella
Alderman Trent Galetti
Alderman Jim Davidson
Guests Present:
Michael Hagberg
Joy Schreiber
Alderman Bob White
Dean Hardt, City Treasurer
Chairman Musgrove called the meeting to order at 6:00 PM. To start the meeting the guests
were allowed to present their comments to the committee. Each person was to state their name
and address.
Guest Comments:
Mike Hagberg said this city is not a strong Mayoral form of government. The Aldermen are the
ones who set the rules and the Mayor is supposed to enforce them. He sees no reason why this
committee of Aldermen cannot go ahead and discuss how they want the Mayor to moderate the
Council Meetings. So it is up to him to enforce that. Next, he mentioned the Agenda Item A,
which he thought was about the problem of people supposedly having to pay a $2.00 fee for a
copy of their Water Bill if they forgot to bring the bill with them. He said he is opposed to
charging this fee. Chairman Musgrove explained that charging a $2,00 fee was not the practice
in the department and was not a written procedure. Mr. Hagberg said that was OK.
Chairman Musgrove asked Mrs. Schreiber is she had any comments but she declined.
Approval of Previous Minutes
Chairman Musgrove asked all committee members if they had received a copy of the minutes
from the last meeting. They acknowledged they had a copy. Alderman Melinda Hult mentioned
that the word CIVILITY was misspelled in three places. First on page 6 of 6, in the last sentence
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APPROVED
of the second to last paragraph, and in the fifth sentence of the last paragraph and again in the
tenth sentence of the last paragraph. Alderman Jim Davidson made a motion to approve the
minutes from the 10 September 2013 meeting with the noted corrections. Motion seconded by
Alderman Melinda Hult. All members present voted Aye, Motion passed; Minutes were
approved.
Agenda Item A – Discussion of Ordinance 7712 that was returned to the Ordinance
Committee by the City Council for further review. This is an Ordinance Amending
Chapter 3 (City Administration Function of the Collector) of the Revised Code of
Ordinance of Belleville, Illinois, as amended by Amending Portions of Sections thereof.
Chairman Musgrove announced that this subject had been resolved at a special meeting of the
parties involved with the Human Resources Director Jim Schneider. All members of this
Ordinance Committee have been given a copy of the official letter stating that the title of the
position of “ License Collector” has been changed to “Collector.” The letter was signed by
Dallas Cook, City Clerk, Dean Hardt, City Treasurer, Emily Fultz, Director of Economic
Development, and Jim Schneider, Human Resources Director. The wording change can be
found in Ordinance 7712, which changes Chapter 3, Section 3.11 5 of the Ordinance Book.
Alderman Ken Kinsella made the motion to forward Ordinance 7712 to the full Council Meeting
for final approval. Motion was seconded by Alderman Melinda Hult. All members present
voted Aye, motion passed.
Agenda Item B – Discussion of Subject Suggested by Alderman Melinda Hult –
“Requesting Clarification on the Power of the Moderator during City Council Meetings
and Proper Protocols”. Civility of Public Participation was added to the subject. However,
this requires the presence of Mayor Eckert and City Attorney Garrett Hoerner, who will
not be available for the October Ordinance Meeting. It is suggested this item be tabled
until the November Ordinance Meeting.
Chairman Musgrove agreed we do not need the Mayor or the Attorney to have a worthwhile
discussion. Alderman Hult started the discussion by providing the results of her research on the
subject of Rules for Public Participation. She located five different articles on rules and
suggested procedures. Each contained reference to many of the problems we have experienced
with our local public participants. Copies of each article will be furnished to each of the
members of the Ordinance Committee.
Next followed a very interesting and useful discussion on some of the problems with Public
Participation and some possible procedures that could be implemented to help eliminate lack of
civility and to get the most benefit from the participants. Everyone present, including the guests,
took part in the discussion.
The following is a list of some of the suggestions mentioned during the discussion:
Have the participants form a queue leading up to the microphone
Announce some civility rules before starting the Public Participation
Tell them they must speak to the Council as a whole and not to anyone in particular.
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APPROVED
Limit time to 2 to 3 minutes for all speakers, do not allow some to go beyond this time.
Get a Timer with three colored lights, Green for Go, Yellow for Wrap up, Red for Stop
Based on the number of people to speak, limit the total TIME allowed for speakers
Immediately Rule OUT OF ORDER anyone who starts calling another person bad names
Have people write out questions BUT NONE OF US WANTED TO DO THIS.
Have the moderator maintain ORDER more than answering questions
Allow Aldermen to Call out POINT OF ORDER for infractions in rules by speakers.
Cannot limit what they (public) talk about to only current Agenda items.
Provide paper with civility rules and space suggesting they collect their talking points
Try to prevent some speakers from intimidating other more (obviously) timid people
Post suggested civility rules on the door, on the sign-in sheet and on the Microphone
The subject “Discussion of Civility Rules for Public Participation Sessions” should be added as
an agenda item for the November Ordinance meeting.
Because of the Monday holiday, the Finance Committee will move to Tuesday 12 November and
the next ORDINANCE & LEGAL REVIEW MEETING WILL BE MOVED TO
WEDNESDAY 13 NOVEMBER 2013 AT 6:00 PM from Tuesday 12 November.
Miscellaneous
All Ordinance Committee members agreed that when Public Participation is announced, the
public is to be reminded of the time limit and basic civility rules. Also, the rules for civility
should be listed on the Sign-In Sheet, should be posted on the door and on the microphone stand.
Chairman Adjourn Meeting:
Chairman Musgrove called for a motion to adjourn. Alderman Ken Kinsella made the motion to
adjourn, seconded by Alderman Melinda Hult. All members present voted Aye, motion passed.
Meeting adjourned at 6:55 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
James Musgrove (Chairman)
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Agenda
AGENDA
CITY OF BELLEVILLE
ORDINANCE & LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
OCTOBER 8, 2013 6:00 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
1. Call to Order
2. Chairman to Announce Evacuation Instructions
3. Roll call of Aldermen
Alderman James Musgrove (Chairman)
Alderman Melinda Hult
Alderman Ken Kinsella
Alderman Trent Galetti
Alderman Jim Davidson
4. Meeting Guests – Chairman Musgrove will allow guests to present their business to the
committee at this time. (Please have guests state their name and address for the record.)
5. Approval of Meeting Minutes:
A. Minutes from Ordinance & Legal Review Committee Meeting – 10 September 2013
6. Chairman – Alderman James Musgrove will address old business, new business, reports,
information or comments.
A. Discussion of Ordinance 7712 that was returned to the Ordinance Committee by the City
Council for further review. This is an Ordinance Amending Chapter 3 (City Administration
Function of the Collector) of the Revised Code of Ordinance of Belleville, Illinois, as amended,
by Amending Portions of Sections thereof.
B. Discussion of Subject Suggested by Alderman Melinda Hult – “Requesting Clarification
on the Power of the Moderator during City Council Meetings and Proper Protocols”. Civility of
Public Participation was added to the subject. However, this requires the presence of Mayor
Eckert and City Attorney Garrett Hoerner, who will not be available for the October Ordinance
Meeting. IT IS SUGGESTED THIS ITEM BE TABLED UNTIL THE NOVEMBER
ORDINANCE MEETING.
7. Miscellaneous – Any business, discussion of comments from the Aldermen of the committee
8. Chairman Adjourns Meeting
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