Ordinance & Legal Review Committee
Regular MeetingBelleville, IL · October 14, 2014
Minutes
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
OCTOBER 14, 2014 6:00 PM
Alderman Kinsella called the meeting to order.
Alderman Kinsella stated everyone in the room is aware of the disaster procedures.
Members present on roll call: Alderman Kinsella, Alderman Musgrove, Alderman I-lult,
Alderman Galetti, Alderman Davidson, Mayor Eckert and City Clerk Cook.
City Attomey excused: Garrett Hoerner.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
None.
MINUTES
Alderman Hult made a motion seconded by Alderman Musgrove to accept the minutes of
September 9, 2014
All members present voted aye.
ACTION ITEMS
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RETAINING NANCY SULVESTER FOR PARLIMENTARY
PROCEDURE SERVICES
City Clerk Cook stated he attended Finance Committee meeting and requested to transfer $2500
from the salary line item to other professional services. City Clerk Cook stated he had spoken to
both parliamentarians this date and followed up with references. Chris Dickey is from St. Louis
and Nancy Sylvester is from Chicago. Chris Dickey is much cheaper; however, after speaking
with both individuals, City Clerk Cook recormnends Nancy Sylvester. Ms. Sylvester spoke with
City Clerk Cook on different ways she would engage and help for rough meetings. City Clerk
Cook stated Ms. Sylvester has written two books, Parliamentary Procedure and Roberts Rules of
Order.
City Clerk Cook stated Chris Dickey charges $350 minimum and Nancy Sylvester charges $2200
plus travel. Alderman Kinsella stated he had downloaded Ms. Sylvester’s book on his Kindle and
its common sense, conversational. City Clerk Cook stated he had contacted their references. City
Clerk Cook stated he can send invites to other municipalities to help with the costs and include the
public.
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Mayor Eckert stated do we do this now or after May 1, 2015; City Clerk Cook stated that is why is
bringing it this evening. . .other cities have been getting hit for lack of procedure.
Alderman Davidson recommended going with the lesser speaker and have everyone purchase the
book.
Alderman Hult stated we are within six months of the election and recommended waiting; Mayor
Eckert stated putting $3000 in the budget for training and ear mark it for May 2015. Alderman
l-lult asked if other city clerks’ or city attomeys become parliamentarians; City Clerk Cook stated
there is only one clerk in the process of becoming a parliamentarian. City Clerk Cook stated there
are only thirty official parliamentarians in the country.
Alderman Kinsella recommended that everyone read the book before the training and discussed
some examples that were given in the book i.e. types of motions. Mayor Eckert recommended
waiting until May (newly elected aldermen) and reach out to other communities; Alderman I-lult
concurred. Aldemian Hult asked if handout will be available; City Clerk Cook stated yes, she will
bring handouts.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 3, 23, 24 AND 25
Mayor Eckert stated this has been discussed before and in all probability there will be two
building/electrical inspectors retiring in the next number of months. Mayor Eckert stated there is
no preconceived reason why he is doing this; however, appointing a "Paul Bauman" hypothetically
there are certain skills required and the pay is around $52,000. With doing this it will expand
those who can apply or show interest i.e. City Attorney. Mayor Eckert requested to amend the
Ordinance to include the HVAC inspector, as well.
Alderman Kinsella stated this should reflect Ordinance amending Chapter 3, 23 (added that the
person lives within ten miles), 24 and 25 should be added.
Alderman Hult made a motion to postpone discussion until the next meeting due to the fact the
alderman was not given the ordinance in advance seconded by Aldemian Galetti.
Discussion".
Mayor Eckert stated this has been discussed twice before. Alderman Hult stated she had a recent
conversation with a former member of another community and shared her frustration, specifically,
about the St. Elizabeth’s resolution and he said the committees he was on that they did not vote on
anything that was not included-in the packet.
Alderman Galetti asked if this will be affected by the review of the codification; Mayor Eckert
stated this will not change the codification since it the City’s own ordinance. Mayor Eckert stated
in recent years with union contract changes and then what was done with the city attomey is the
first time in the last five years that residency was adjusted. Mayor Eckert stated that all other full
time employees had to always live in the corporate city limits.
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Alderman Davidson stated it does not seem to him that there is a rush for this. lf the references
should have been in the packet it should have been in the packet so it should not necessarily be
voted on until everyone has an idea. Mayor Eckert stated he know one person is going to retire
soon but has not given his letter yet.
Members voting aye: Kinsella, Musgrove, Hult, Galetti, Davidson. (5)
Members voting nay: Mayor Eckert (l)
DISCUSSION ITEMS
SOLICITOR ORDINANCE
Alderman Kinsella asked Alderman Schneider if she has anything new to add; Alderman
Schneider stated she was not aware it was on last month’s agenda. Aldennan Sclmeider stated
nothing has changed; however, feels changes are needed before coditication is completed.
Alderman Schneider asked if she should put a letter in the newspaper asking how people feel and
to contact their aldermen. Alderman Schneider said she recently ran into ATT and Charter
Cornrnunications representatives; Mayor Eckert stated some are doing it by appointment.
Mayor Eckert stated there was a ruling that changed so|icitor’s rights and would recommend
before putting an article in the newspaper to seek the city attomey’s opinion. Mayor Eckert
stated around the time he came on city council the City of Belleville was effected by a law that
came out stating our law was to stringent on solicitors. Mayor Eckert requested getting out
"safety tips” via outside agencies.
Alderman Davidson requested Alderman Kinsella to submit the questions of the committee to
the city attorney so the committee can have answers for the next meeting.
Aldemian l-lult asked about the law regarding political signs; Mayor Eckert stated that goes back
to 1993. The Court’s decision was April 27, 1993. When the new group came in it was never
changed.
Alderman Schneider stated this went to police and tire committee July 2014 and Chief Clay gave
a handout of what was discussed in August 2014.
Mayor Eckert asked Alderman Schneider to contact Sharon Strausbaugh and request the "safety
tips" be included in the January 2015 Newsletter. Mayor Eckert recommended that Chief Clay
and the City Attomey work together to help create the safety tips.
Alderman Kinsella spoke regarding the fine which is now $5-$500 and the decision of the
amount of the fine is made by the courts. Alderman Kinsella stated he has a problem with the
line going to $5000 since most of the people are out trying to make a living.
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MISCELLANEOUS
None.
ANY BUSINESS, DICUSSION OF COMMENTS FROM THE ALDERMEN OF THE
COMMITTEE
None.
ADJOURNMENT
Alderman Galetti made a motion second by Alderman Hult to adjourn at 6:45 p.m.
All members present voted ayer
These minutes were approved: November 10, 2014
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A erman Ken Kinsella, Chairman
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Agenda
CITY OF BELLEVILLE, ILLINOIS
ORDINANCE AND LEGAL REVIEW COMMITTEE
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
OCTOBER 14, 2014 6:00 PM
Alderman Kinsella called the meeting to order.
Alderman Kinsella stated everyone in the room is aware of the disaster procedures.
Members present on roll call: Alderman Kinsella, Alderman Musgrove, Alderman I-lult,
Alderman Galetti, Alderman Davidson, Mayor Eckert and City Clerk Cook.
City Attomey excused: Garrett Hoerner.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
None.
MINUTES
Alderman Hult made a motion seconded by Alderman Musgrove to accept the minutes of
September 9, 2014
All members present voted aye.
ACTION ITEMS
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RETAINING NANCY SULVESTER FOR PARLIMENTARY
PROCEDURE SERVICES
City Clerk Cook stated he attended Finance Committee meeting and requested to transfer $2500
from the salary line item to other professional services. City Clerk Cook stated he had spoken to
both parliamentarians this date and followed up with references. Chris Dickey is from St. Louis
and Nancy Sylvester is from Chicago. Chris Dickey is much cheaper; however, after speaking
with both individuals, City Clerk Cook recormnends Nancy Sylvester. Ms. Sylvester spoke with
City Clerk Cook on different ways she would engage and help for rough meetings. City Clerk
Cook stated Ms. Sylvester has written two books, Parliamentary Procedure and Roberts Rules of
Order.
City Clerk Cook stated Chris Dickey charges $350 minimum and Nancy Sylvester charges $2200
plus travel. Alderman Kinsella stated he had downloaded Ms. Sylvester’s book on his Kindle and
its common sense, conversational. City Clerk Cook stated he had contacted their references. City
Clerk Cook stated he can send invites to other municipalities to help with the costs and include the
public.
Ordinance & Legal Review Minutes
October 14. 20I4
Mayor Eckert stated do we do this now or after May 1, 2015; City Clerk Cook stated that is why is
bringing it this evening. . .other cities have been getting hit for lack of procedure.
Alderman Davidson recommended going with the lesser speaker and have everyone purchase the
book.
Alderman Hult stated we are within six months of the election and recommended waiting; Mayor
Eckert stated putting $3000 in the budget for training and ear mark it for May 2015. Alderman
l-lult asked if other city clerks’ or city attomeys become parliamentarians; City Clerk Cook stated
there is only one clerk in the process of becoming a parliamentarian. City Clerk Cook stated there
are only thirty official parliamentarians in the country.
Alderman Kinsella recommended that everyone read the book before the training and discussed
some examples that were given in the book i.e. types of motions. Mayor Eckert recommended
waiting until May (newly elected aldermen) and reach out to other communities; Alderman I-lult
concurred. Aldemian Hult asked if handout will be available; City Clerk Cook stated yes, she will
bring handouts.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 3, 23, 24 AND 25
Mayor Eckert stated this has been discussed before and in all probability there will be two
building/electrical inspectors retiring in the next number of months. Mayor Eckert stated there is
no preconceived reason why he is doing this; however, appointing a "Paul Bauman" hypothetically
there are certain skills required and the pay is around $52,000. With doing this it will expand
those who can apply or show interest i.e. City Attorney. Mayor Eckert requested to amend the
Ordinance to include the HVAC inspector, as well.
Alderman Kinsella stated this should reflect Ordinance amending Chapter 3, 23 (added that the
person lives within ten miles), 24 and 25 should be added.
Alderman Hult made a motion to postpone discussion until the next meeting due to the fact the
alderman was not given the ordinance in advance seconded by Aldemian Galetti.
Discussion".
Mayor Eckert stated this has been discussed twice before. Alderman Hult stated she had a recent
conversation with a former member of another community and shared her frustration, specifically,
about the St. Elizabeth’s resolution and he said the committees he was on that they did not vote on
anything that was not included-in the packet.
Alderman Galetti asked if this will be affected by the review of the codification; Mayor Eckert
stated this will not change the codification since it the City’s own ordinance. Mayor Eckert stated
in recent years with union contract changes and then what was done with the city attomey is the
first time in the last five years that residency was adjusted. Mayor Eckert stated that all other full
time employees had to always live in the corporate city limits.
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October I4, ZOI4
Alderman Davidson stated it does not seem to him that there is a rush for this. lf the references
should have been in the packet it should have been in the packet so it should not necessarily be
voted on until everyone has an idea. Mayor Eckert stated he know one person is going to retire
soon but has not given his letter yet.
Members voting aye: Kinsella, Musgrove, Hult, Galetti, Davidson. (5)
Members voting nay: Mayor Eckert (l)
DISCUSSION ITEMS
SOLICITOR ORDINANCE
Alderman Kinsella asked Alderman Schneider if she has anything new to add; Alderman
Schneider stated she was not aware it was on last month’s agenda. Aldennan Sclmeider stated
nothing has changed; however, feels changes are needed before coditication is completed.
Alderman Schneider asked if she should put a letter in the newspaper asking how people feel and
to contact their aldermen. Alderman Schneider said she recently ran into ATT and Charter
Cornrnunications representatives; Mayor Eckert stated some are doing it by appointment.
Mayor Eckert stated there was a ruling that changed so|icitor’s rights and would recommend
before putting an article in the newspaper to seek the city attomey’s opinion. Mayor Eckert
stated around the time he came on city council the City of Belleville was effected by a law that
came out stating our law was to stringent on solicitors. Mayor Eckert requested getting out
"safety tips” via outside agencies.
Alderman Davidson requested Alderman Kinsella to submit the questions of the committee to
the city attorney so the committee can have answers for the next meeting.
Aldemian l-lult asked about the law regarding political signs; Mayor Eckert stated that goes back
to 1993. The Court’s decision was April 27, 1993. When the new group came in it was never
changed.
Alderman Schneider stated this went to police and tire committee July 2014 and Chief Clay gave
a handout of what was discussed in August 2014.
Mayor Eckert asked Alderman Schneider to contact Sharon Strausbaugh and request the "safety
tips" be included in the January 2015 Newsletter. Mayor Eckert recommended that Chief Clay
and the City Attomey work together to help create the safety tips.
Alderman Kinsella spoke regarding the fine which is now $5-$500 and the decision of the
amount of the fine is made by the courts. Alderman Kinsella stated he has a problem with the
line going to $5000 since most of the people are out trying to make a living.
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October I4, ZOI4
MISCELLANEOUS
None.
ANY BUSINESS, DICUSSION OF COMMENTS FROM THE ALDERMEN OF THE
COMMITTEE
None.
ADJOURNMENT
Alderman Galetti made a motion second by Alderman Hult to adjourn at 6:45 p.m.
All members present voted ayer
These minutes were approved: November 10, 2014
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A erman Ken Kinsella, Chairman
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